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#1: Re: Trail(er) trash (and the end of nature)

Posted on 2006-06-04 19:44:13 by Crius Anonymous Remailer

On Thurs, Jun 1 2006 8:28 am, R. Lander wrote:

<< In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We
don't need more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the
last wild, quiet places. Be happy with all the trails you've
got. If you find those trails overcrowded, blame human
overbreeding, not environmentalism. >>

Good post but the usual suspects are reacting the usual way. If
all the douchebags who take wilderness for granted would read
books like Bill McKibben's "The End Of Nature" (1989) there
might be some hope. This issue goes well beyond drunk wheelers
trashing trails. There is a dangerous psychological disconnect
between people and nature in rich nations. They have forgotten
where "it" all comes from, and it's not a factory or a bank.

<a href="http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html" target="_blank">http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html</a>

N.C.

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#2: Re: Trail(er) trash (and the end of nature)

Posted on 2006-06-04 20:59:24 by Lon

Crius Anonymous Remailer proclaimed:
&gt; On Thurs, Jun 1 2006 8:28 am, R. Lander wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;&lt; In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We
&gt; don't need more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the
&gt; last wild, quiet places. Be happy with all the trails you've
&gt; got. If you find those trails overcrowded, blame human
&gt; overbreeding, not environmentalism. &gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Good post but the usual suspects are reacting the usual way. If
&gt; all the douchebags who take wilderness for granted would read
&gt; books like Bill McKibben's &quot;The End Of Nature&quot; (1989) there
&gt; might be some hope. This issue goes well beyond drunk wheelers
&gt; trashing trails. There is a dangerous psychological disconnect
&gt; between people and nature in rich nations. They have forgotten
&gt; where &quot;it&quot; all comes from, and it's not a factory or a bank.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html" target="_blank">http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; N.C.
&gt;

Yawn. So the answer apparently is to rope off all remaining &quot;nature&quot;
and preserve it as the private playground for a privileged few.

Or create a culture of &quot;natural foods&quot;, &quot;natural living&quot;, etc. ignoring
that mother nature is a ruthless fickle psychotic murdering bitch.
Hurricanes are natural, volcanos are natural, tornados are natural,
comets crashing into planets and wiping all self-styled intelligent life
is natural, supernovas are natural.

Possibly some folks who just like to get off paved roads a few miles do
it just to get away from the bobbleheaded ratchet jawers prattling on
about some mystical and non-existent inherent connection between humans
and nature as if it were at all new for the past billions of years or so.

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#3: Re: Trail(er) trash (and the end of nature)

Posted on 2006-06-04 20:59:24 by Lon

Crius Anonymous Remailer proclaimed:
&gt; On Thurs, Jun 1 2006 8:28 am, R. Lander wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;&lt; In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We
&gt; don't need more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the
&gt; last wild, quiet places. Be happy with all the trails you've
&gt; got. If you find those trails overcrowded, blame human
&gt; overbreeding, not environmentalism. &gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Good post but the usual suspects are reacting the usual way. If
&gt; all the douchebags who take wilderness for granted would read
&gt; books like Bill McKibben's &quot;The End Of Nature&quot; (1989) there
&gt; might be some hope. This issue goes well beyond drunk wheelers
&gt; trashing trails. There is a dangerous psychological disconnect
&gt; between people and nature in rich nations. They have forgotten
&gt; where &quot;it&quot; all comes from, and it's not a factory or a bank.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html" target="_blank">http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; N.C.
&gt;

Yawn. So the answer apparently is to rope off all remaining &quot;nature&quot;
and preserve it as the private playground for a privileged few.

Or create a culture of &quot;natural foods&quot;, &quot;natural living&quot;, etc. ignoring
that mother nature is a ruthless fickle psychotic murdering bitch.
Hurricanes are natural, volcanos are natural, tornados are natural,
comets crashing into planets and wiping all self-styled intelligent life
is natural, supernovas are natural.

Possibly some folks who just like to get off paved roads a few miles do
it just to get away from the bobbleheaded ratchet jawers prattling on
about some mystical and non-existent inherent connection between humans
and nature as if it were at all new for the past billions of years or so.

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#4: Re: Trail(er) trash (and the end of nature)

Posted on 2006-06-04 22:14:56 by bubonic

It was on Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:44:13 +0200, another Dirty Dusty Delta day, when Crius Anonymous Remailer coughed up:

&gt; On Thurs, Jun 1 2006 8:28 am, R. Lander wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;&lt; In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We
&gt; don't need more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the
&gt; last wild, quiet places. Be happy with all the trails you've
&gt; got. If you find those trails overcrowded, blame human
&gt; overbreeding, not environmentalism. &gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Good post but the usual suspects are reacting the usual way. If
&gt; all the douchebags who take wilderness for granted would read
&gt; books like Bill McKibben's &quot;The End Of Nature&quot; (1989) there
&gt; might be some hope. This issue goes well beyond drunk wheelers
&gt; trashing trails. There is a dangerous psychological disconnect
&gt; between people and nature in rich nations. They have forgotten
&gt; where &quot;it&quot; all comes from, and it's not a factory or a bank.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html" target="_blank">http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; N.C.

Also a good post, but probably will be ignored. You can lead a horse to
water, but you can't make him think. And who is likely to read anything
that goes contrary to their chosen belief-system?

Sad.



--
There is nothing so agonizing to the fine skin of vanity as the application
of a rough truth.

-Edward Bulwer-Lytton, writer (1803-1873)

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#5: Re: Trail(er) trash (and the end of nature)

Posted on 2006-06-04 22:14:56 by bubonic

It was on Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:44:13 +0200, another Dirty Dusty Delta day, when Crius Anonymous Remailer coughed up:

&gt; On Thurs, Jun 1 2006 8:28 am, R. Lander wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;&lt; In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We
&gt; don't need more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the
&gt; last wild, quiet places. Be happy with all the trails you've
&gt; got. If you find those trails overcrowded, blame human
&gt; overbreeding, not environmentalism. &gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Good post but the usual suspects are reacting the usual way. If
&gt; all the douchebags who take wilderness for granted would read
&gt; books like Bill McKibben's &quot;The End Of Nature&quot; (1989) there
&gt; might be some hope. This issue goes well beyond drunk wheelers
&gt; trashing trails. There is a dangerous psychological disconnect
&gt; between people and nature in rich nations. They have forgotten
&gt; where &quot;it&quot; all comes from, and it's not a factory or a bank.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html" target="_blank">http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; N.C.

Also a good post, but probably will be ignored. You can lead a horse to
water, but you can't make him think. And who is likely to read anything
that goes contrary to their chosen belief-system?

Sad.



--
There is nothing so agonizing to the fine skin of vanity as the application
of a rough truth.

-Edward Bulwer-Lytton, writer (1803-1873)

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#6: Re: Trail(er) trash (and the end of nature)

Posted on 2006-06-04 23:10:35 by Jeffrey DeWitt

Some of us will, at least to a point. I will read things that are well
reasoned, logical and backed by facts if they disagree with my point of
view... one of the best ways to really know a subject is to be able to
argue either side of it.

But I'm not going to read ignorant drivel dressed up to look like it's
something important, such as pretty much anything by Al Gore... or any
other demagogic politician.

Jeff DeWitt



§qů@r3 Wh33£s wrote:
&gt; It was on Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:44:13 +0200, another Dirty Dusty Delta day, when Crius Anonymous Remailer coughed up:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Thurs, Jun 1 2006 8:28 am, R. Lander wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt; In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We
&gt;&gt;don't need more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the
&gt;&gt;last wild, quiet places. Be happy with all the trails you've
&gt;&gt;got. If you find those trails overcrowded, blame human
&gt;&gt;overbreeding, not environmentalism. &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Good post but the usual suspects are reacting the usual way. If
&gt;&gt;all the douchebags who take wilderness for granted would read
&gt;&gt;books like Bill McKibben's &quot;The End Of Nature&quot; (1989) there
&gt;&gt;might be some hope. This issue goes well beyond drunk wheelers
&gt;&gt;trashing trails. There is a dangerous psychological disconnect
&gt;&gt;between people and nature in rich nations. They have forgotten
&gt;&gt;where &quot;it&quot; all comes from, and it's not a factory or a bank.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html" target="_blank">http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;N.C.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Also a good post, but probably will be ignored. You can lead a horse to
&gt; water, but you can't make him think. And who is likely to read anything
&gt; that goes contrary to their chosen belief-system?
&gt;
&gt; Sad.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#7: Re: Trail(er) trash (and the end of nature)

Posted on 2006-06-04 23:10:35 by Jeffrey DeWitt

Some of us will, at least to a point. I will read things that are well
reasoned, logical and backed by facts if they disagree with my point of
view... one of the best ways to really know a subject is to be able to
argue either side of it.

But I'm not going to read ignorant drivel dressed up to look like it's
something important, such as pretty much anything by Al Gore... or any
other demagogic politician.

Jeff DeWitt



§qů@r3 Wh33£s wrote:
&gt; It was on Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:44:13 +0200, another Dirty Dusty Delta day, when Crius Anonymous Remailer coughed up:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Thurs, Jun 1 2006 8:28 am, R. Lander wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt; In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We
&gt;&gt;don't need more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the
&gt;&gt;last wild, quiet places. Be happy with all the trails you've
&gt;&gt;got. If you find those trails overcrowded, blame human
&gt;&gt;overbreeding, not environmentalism. &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Good post but the usual suspects are reacting the usual way. If
&gt;&gt;all the douchebags who take wilderness for granted would read
&gt;&gt;books like Bill McKibben's &quot;The End Of Nature&quot; (1989) there
&gt;&gt;might be some hope. This issue goes well beyond drunk wheelers
&gt;&gt;trashing trails. There is a dangerous psychological disconnect
&gt;&gt;between people and nature in rich nations. They have forgotten
&gt;&gt;where &quot;it&quot; all comes from, and it's not a factory or a bank.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html" target="_blank">http://www.billmckibben.com/books.html</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;N.C.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Also a good post, but probably will be ignored. You can lead a horse to
&gt; water, but you can't make him think. And who is likely to read anything
&gt; that goes contrary to their chosen belief-system?
&gt;
&gt; Sad.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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