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#1: KTM LC4 640 Supermoto to Enduro conversion

Posted on 2005-11-01 17:28:06 by Phill_offroader

Hi guys,

Due to complex circumstances :-) I now own a new 2004 model KTM LC4 640
Supermoto bike. As I am a dedicated off-road rider (mostly rally and
some enduro) and currently I have no other dirt bike, I am considering
converting the LC4 SM to off-road use.

Unfortunately the differences go beyond the rim size, brakes and tyres
- the SM front suspension is shorter, the rake is larger, thicker axles
that do not fit into Enduro wheels, etc, etc. As the conversion is
going to cost me quite a bit, I was wondering whether anyone has done
such weird thing before and whether the resulting bike was acceptible
from the "dirt-worthiness" perspective or whether I am better off
selling and going for a pure off-road bike.

Additional reason I am considering the conversion is that the bike I
have will be my only means of transport for a while (thus no 450RFSs or
WR450s for now) and if I keep the SM wheels I can ride the LC4
comfortably to work during the week :-)

Thanks in advance,
Phill (Israel)

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#2: Re: KTM LC4 640 Supermoto to Enduro conversion

Posted on 2005-11-01 20:06:31 by Joe Rooney

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&gt; Hi guys,
&gt;
&gt; Due to complex circumstances :-) I now own a new 2004 model KTM LC4 640
&gt; Supermoto bike. As I am a dedicated off-road rider (mostly rally and
&gt; some enduro) and currently I have no other dirt bike, I am considering
&gt; converting the LC4 SM to off-road use.
&gt;
&gt; Unfortunately the differences go beyond the rim size, brakes and tyres
&gt; - the SM front suspension is shorter, the rake is larger, thicker axles
&gt; that do not fit into Enduro wheels, etc, etc. As the conversion is
&gt; going to cost me quite a bit, I was wondering whether anyone has done
&gt; such weird thing before and whether the resulting bike was acceptible
&gt; from the &quot;dirt-worthiness&quot; perspective or whether I am better off
&gt; selling and going for a pure off-road bike.
&gt;
&gt; Additional reason I am considering the conversion is that the bike I
&gt; have will be my only means of transport for a while (thus no 450RFSs or
&gt; WR450s for now) and if I keep the SM wheels I can ride the LC4
&gt; comfortably to work during the week :-)
&gt;
&gt; Thanks in advance,
&gt; Phill (Israel)

Shalom Good Buddy,

I'd say throw some knobbies on it and see how it behaves. Then adjust your
riding so you don't crash boom alot and break the blinkers, shins. It
couldn't be much worse or much better than my XL600R for genreral gunk
holing.

I'd say gear for sand and rocks as the Negev sounds like it might be nearby
and fun.

Joe

XL600R

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#3: Re: KTM LC4 640 Supermoto to Enduro conversion

Posted on 2005-11-04 04:57:08 by PP

I put supermoto wheels on a 620RXC and it worked great. I would think that
going back would be easy.

PP

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&gt; Hi guys,
&gt;
&gt; Due to complex circumstances :-) I now own a new 2004 model KTM LC4 640
&gt; Supermoto bike. As I am a dedicated off-road rider (mostly rally and
&gt; some enduro) and currently I have no other dirt bike, I am considering
&gt; converting the LC4 SM to off-road use.
&gt;
&gt; Unfortunately the differences go beyond the rim size, brakes and tyres
&gt; - the SM front suspension is shorter, the rake is larger, thicker axles
&gt; that do not fit into Enduro wheels, etc, etc. As the conversion is
&gt; going to cost me quite a bit, I was wondering whether anyone has done
&gt; such weird thing before and whether the resulting bike was acceptible
&gt; from the &quot;dirt-worthiness&quot; perspective or whether I am better off
&gt; selling and going for a pure off-road bike.
&gt;
&gt; Additional reason I am considering the conversion is that the bike I
&gt; have will be my only means of transport for a while (thus no 450RFSs or
&gt; WR450s for now) and if I keep the SM wheels I can ride the LC4
&gt; comfortably to work during the week :-)
&gt;
&gt; Thanks in advance,
&gt; Phill (Israel)
&gt;

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#4: Re: KTM LC4 640 Supermoto to Enduro conversion

Posted on 2005-11-04 22:16:23 by Phill_offroader

Well, that's what I thought myself - but it turned out that Supermoto
-&gt; Enduro conversion is much more complex &amp; costly. For example to go
from 280mm break disk to 320mm you can use a spacer with the same
caliper (2-piston). To go the other way around you basically need a
complete new Enduro break system assembly - as the Supermoto caliper is
4-piston (too much breaking power on dirt) and is sitting on a larger
mount (need to through that away to go to smaller disk).

But my biggest concern is the front fork - it's got 265mm travel while
any decent off-road fork is around 300mm... I am afraid it will prove
to be a handicap on dirt... And buying a new fork is probably as
expensive as trading the bike in for a ready to go enduro...

IS THERE NOBODY THERE WHO HAS DONE THIS EVER? :-)

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#5: Re: KTM LC4 640 Supermoto to Enduro conversion

Posted on 2005-11-04 22:24:04 by IdaSpode

On 4 Nov 2005 13:16:23 -0800, &quot;Phill_offroader&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:phillip_kazakoff&#64;agilent.com" target="_blank">phillip_kazakoff&#64;agilent.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Well, that's what I thought myself - but it turned out that Supermoto
&gt;-&gt; Enduro conversion is much more complex &amp; costly. For example to go
&gt;from 280mm break disk to 320mm you can use a spacer with the same
&gt;caliper (2-piston). To go the other way around you basically need a
&gt;complete new Enduro break system assembly - as the Supermoto caliper is
&gt;4-piston (too much breaking power on dirt) and is sitting on a larger
&gt;mount (need to through that away to go to smaller disk).
&gt;
&gt;But my biggest concern is the front fork - it's got 265mm travel while
&gt;any decent off-road fork is around 300mm... I am afraid it will prove
&gt;to be a handicap on dirt... And buying a new fork is probably as
&gt;expensive as trading the bike in for a ready to go enduro...
&gt;
&gt;IS THERE NOBODY THERE WHO HAS DONE THIS EVER? :-)

Have you asked these questions at these two places?

<a href="http://www.ktmtalk.com" target="_blank">http://www.ktmtalk.com</a>
<a href="http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/index.php</a>

David - 05 KTM 200EXC
djones&lt;at&gt;LSidaho.com
<a href="http://www.spodefest.net/rmd" target="_blank">http://www.spodefest.net/rmd</a>

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#6: Re: KTM LC4 640 Supermoto to Enduro conversion

Posted on 2005-11-04 22:28:02 by John

you could put dual sport tires back on and change the
semi metallic brake pads to non metallic for &quot;less&quot; braking
you will end up with a compromised off road bike. it will
be a better off road bike than a Harley, yet not as good
as a ktm exc250... the 640 is a bit heavy for off road
manners but still quit capable. as you know no bike
does both really well. since i don't care to ride on the
street i'd sell the motard bike, you on the other hand do
ride on the street so it would make sense to adapt the bike
lightly to allow some light offroading adventures.

&quot;Phill_offroader&quot; &lt;p
&gt; Well, that's what I thought myself - but it turned out that Supermoto
&gt; -&gt; Enduro conversion is much more complex &amp; costly. For example to go
&gt; from 280mm break disk to 320mm you can use a spacer with the same
&gt; caliper (2-piston). To go the other way around you basically need a
&gt; complete new Enduro break system assembly - as the Supermoto caliper is
&gt; 4-piston (too much breaking power on dirt) and is sitting on a larger
&gt; mount (need to through that away to go to smaller disk).
&gt;
&gt; But my biggest concern is the front fork - it's got 265mm travel while
&gt; any decent off-road fork is around 300mm... I am afraid it will prove
&gt; to be a handicap on dirt... And buying a new fork is probably as
&gt; expensive as trading the bike in for a ready to go enduro...
&gt;
&gt; IS THERE NOBODY THERE WHO HAS DONE THIS EVER? :-)
&gt;
&gt;



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#7: Re: KTM LC4 640 Supermoto to Enduro conversion

Posted on 2005-11-07 00:58:26 by PP

I think the best way would be to find a 94/95 RXC/EXC that was never
registered. These go for about $1000 on ebay. The lack of electric
starting really scares people off. Buy the bike, steal the parts you need
(wheel, suspension, brakes) and sell the rest on ebay. The engine alone
will get you $700.

I have been watching, and I have seen this happen.

Pete

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&gt; Well, that's what I thought myself - but it turned out that Supermoto
&gt; -&gt; Enduro conversion is much more complex &amp; costly. For example to go
&gt; from 280mm break disk to 320mm you can use a spacer with the same
&gt; caliper (2-piston). To go the other way around you basically need a
&gt; complete new Enduro break system assembly - as the Supermoto caliper is
&gt; 4-piston (too much breaking power on dirt) and is sitting on a larger
&gt; mount (need to through that away to go to smaller disk).
&gt;
&gt; But my biggest concern is the front fork - it's got 265mm travel while
&gt; any decent off-road fork is around 300mm... I am afraid it will prove
&gt; to be a handicap on dirt... And buying a new fork is probably as
&gt; expensive as trading the bike in for a ready to go enduro...
&gt;
&gt; IS THERE NOBODY THERE WHO HAS DONE THIS EVER? :-)
&gt;

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