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#1: Ascot FT500 Starter Problem :(

Posted on 2005-09-19 19:36:00 by corvairbob

Hi there. I’ve just purchased a 1982 FT500 Ascot and I’m having
starter issues. Ive taken the outer cover off to expose the gears that
mesh the starter to the flywheel gear, and I saw that parts of gears
are grounded down a little. When I try to crank it, it doesnt sound
like the gear shaft is being pushed fully into/staying fully engaged,
it grinds mostly. It also turns the engine over, maybe a few times
short of starting the engine, then the gear shaft disengages. Maybe
the contacts that give the electromagnet arent staying in contact good
enough? Ill take it apart again tomorrow to try possibly cleaning the
contacts.

Also, I’m curious if anyone knows if the dirtbike version of this bike
has a kickstart, and if it’d fit on my bike. I was reading something
about it working but I cant find the link again.. Any help is
appreciated, thanks! :).

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#2: Re: Ascot FT500 Starter Problem :(

Posted on 2005-09-21 06:41:41 by RCFlyr

The XL/XR 500 engines of the same period are almost identical. I heard
that the kickstart from them could be adapted to the FT model also. You
would probably want to use the compression release also. The comp
release could be adapted to the FT with a small amount of machining.
I had this info somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it.

As for your starter, check the solenoid that works the bendix and make
sure that it isn't rusted up. If so clean it out, it may help.

&gt;
&gt; Also, I’m curious if anyone knows if the dirtbike version of this bike
&gt; has a kickstart, and if it’d fit on my bike. I was reading something
&gt; about it working but I cant find the link again.. Any help is
&gt; appreciated, thanks! :).
&gt;

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#3: Re: Re: Ascot FT500 Starter Problem :(

Posted on 2005-09-22 07:37:40 by corvairbob

&quot;&quot; wrote:
&gt; The XL/XR 500 engines of the same period are almost identical.
&gt; I heard
&gt; that the kickstart from them could be adapted to the FT model
&gt; also. You
&gt; would probably want to use the compression release also. The
&gt; comp
&gt; release could be adapted to the FT with a small amount of
&gt; machining.
&gt; I had this info somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it.
&gt;
&gt; As for your starter, check the solenoid that works the bendix
&gt; and make
&gt; sure that it isn't rusted up. If so clean it out, it may help.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Also, I’m curious if anyone knows if the dirtbike version of
&gt; this bike
&gt; &gt; has a kickstart, and if it’d fit on my bike. I was reading
&gt; something
&gt; &gt; about it working but I cant find the link again.. Any help
&gt; is
&gt; &gt; appreciated, thanks! :).
&gt; &gt;

Thanks, yea i thought the engines were almost identical. And as for
the bendex, I did take the cover off and rebuilt it. It was all rusted
out like you said and I finally got it running. Too bad I already hurt
myself on it though :(. I underestimated its power, i just need to get
used to it i guess. Thanks.

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#4: Re: Re: Ascot FT500 Starter Problem :(

Posted on 2005-09-22 16:37:23 by spamsucks

kiosk &lt;<a href="mailto:UseLinkToEmail&#64;MotorcycleForumz.com" target="_blank">UseLinkToEmail&#64;MotorcycleForumz.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:8_7506968
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&gt; &quot;&quot; wrote:
&gt; &gt; The XL/XR 500 engines of the same period are almost identical.
&gt; &gt; I heard
&gt; &gt; that the kickstart from them could be adapted to the FT model
&gt; &gt; also. You
&gt; &gt; would probably want to use the compression release also. The
&gt; &gt; comp
&gt; &gt; release could be adapted to the FT with a small amount of
&gt; &gt; machining.
&gt; &gt; I had this info somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; As for your starter, check the solenoid that works the bendix
&gt; &gt; and make
&gt; &gt; sure that it isn't rusted up. If so clean it out, it may help.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Also, I’m curious if anyone knows if the dirtbike version of
&gt; &gt; this bike
&gt; &gt; &gt; has a kickstart, and if it’d fit on my bike. I was reading
&gt; &gt; something
&gt; &gt; &gt; about it working but I cant find the link again.. Any help
&gt; &gt; is
&gt; &gt; &gt; appreciated, thanks! :).
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Thanks, yea i thought the engines were almost identical. And as for
&gt; the bendex, I did take the cover off and rebuilt it. It was all rusted
&gt; out like you said and I finally got it running. Too bad I already hurt
&gt; myself on it though :(. I underestimated its power, i just need to get
&gt; used to it i guess. Thanks.
&gt;

Restraint is a wonderful thing. I had to learn it quickly when I went from
a CB550 to a CBX. It was like going from a tugboat to a cigarette racer.
Never hurt myself though.

pierce

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#5: Re: Ascot FT500 Starter Problem :(

Posted on 2005-09-22 19:47:44 by chateauSPAMKILL.murray

RCFlyr &lt;<a href="mailto:rcflyr&#64;intergate.com" target="_blank">rcflyr&#64;intergate.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; The XL/XR 500 engines of the same period are almost identical. I heard
&gt; that the kickstart from them could be adapted to the FT model also.

They are. It can. The electric foot on the Ft was/is utterly useless -
it always breaks.


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#6: Re: Ascot FT500 Starter Problem :(

Posted on 2005-09-23 01:36:19 by T Shadow

Was getting rid of some old magazines last night. Had time to OCR this about
the FT500. *****************************
The major changes are on the left end of the crankshaft where a 170-watt
alternator pumps juice for the 12volt electrical system. (The XL has a
six-volt system with a 112-watt alternator.) The only innovation--if it can
be called an innovation in 1982--is push-button starting.
However, the Ascot is the first 500cc single to be so equipped. The starter
is located behind the cylinder and engages via a solenoid and Bendix
mechanism. An overriding clutch protects the starter from over-revving when
the engine lights, and a spring-type damper (similar to those found in many
clutches) cushions the system. Six gears and three extra shafts transmit
starter power to the crankshaft at a point just behind the alternator. The
gears also provide the necessary reduction to overcome the big single's
compression. Honda apparently has confidence in this somewhat elaborate
system; they've eliminated the kickstarter.
Anyone with much experience aboard a big single may regard the electric
starter as unwarranted. The difficulties of kickstarting a big thumper have
been largely overstated. However, the electric method will be welcome when,
as you're waiting at the head of a line of traffic, the idling motor coughs
once and dies as big singles frequently do. It happened a couple of times
with the Ascot, and it has happened to us with XLs and Yamaha 500 thumpers.
Traffic behind us, which always honked as we rushed to kiclistart the other
bikes, never knew the Ascot
had stalled; it restarted immediately.
Of course, electric starting takes the pain out of lighting the engine's
fire if you wear light shoes (you shouldn't) or have bad knees. And the
FT500 always starts promptly and warms up rapidly with only brief
encouragement from its choke, which is operated by a dash-mounted knob. Even
on cold mornings, the FT500 is ready to pull away immediately and smoothly,
thanks in part to its good clutch, considerable flywheel effect, and strong
low-end power.

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#7: Re: Ascot FT500 Starter Problem :(

Posted on 2005-09-23 08:25:25 by chateauSPAMKILL.murray

T Shadow &lt;<a href="mailto:knone&#64;zilch.com.invalid" target="_blank">knone&#64;zilch.com.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Had time to OCR this about
&gt; the FT500

&lt;snip load of bollocks&gt;

What was the point of that?


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#8: Re: Ascot FT500 Starter Problem :(

Posted on 2005-09-23 15:53:35 by T Shadow

&quot;The Older Gentleman&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chateauSPAMKILL.murray&#64;dsl.pipex.com" target="_blank">chateauSPAMKILL.murray&#64;dsl.pipex.com</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt; T Shadow &lt;<a href="mailto:knone&#64;zilch.com.invalid" target="_blank">knone&#64;zilch.com.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Had time to OCR this about
&gt; &gt; the FT500
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip load of bollocks&gt;
&gt;
&gt; What was the point of that?
&gt;
&gt;
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It's from a review of the FT500 that was in Motorcyclist. Thought it would
be of interest to the OP. Sorry I didn't think to make the reply to that
post. Is it incorrect or inaccurate?

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