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#1: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 02:04:34 by Wally Hooker

Hi All, I'm a newbie here with a question. I just bought an '06 dyna
super glide custom. Can I legally put on the screamin eagle slash down
mufflers without having to add the Stage 1 air cleaner and remap?
(since the stage 1 air cleaner is considered "tampering" according to
the new '06 EPA regulations.

thanks,
Wally

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#2: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 02:11:10 by dm

Wally Hooker wrote:
> Hi All, I'm a newbie here with a question. I just bought an '06 dyna
> super glide custom. Can I legally put on the screamin eagle slash down
> mufflers without having to add the Stage 1 air cleaner and remap?
> (since the stage 1 air cleaner is considered "tampering" according to
> the new '06 EPA regulations.
>
> thanks,
> Wally
>
Nope. And make sure you don't take the tags off your mattress.

Have a drink on me while you contemplate

Fins BS#221

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#3: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 04:17:19 by Melisa

&quot;DM&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dm&#64;nospam.vfemail.net" target="_blank">dm&#64;nospam.vfemail.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:upSdnRT1BtoBQGLfRVn-vQ&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">upSdnRT1BtoBQGLfRVn-vQ&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt; Wally Hooker wrote:
&gt; &gt; Hi All, I'm a newbie here with a question. I just bought an '06 dyna
&gt; &gt; super glide custom. Can I legally put on the screamin eagle slash down
&gt; &gt; mufflers without having to add the Stage 1 air cleaner and remap?
&gt; &gt; (since the stage 1 air cleaner is considered &quot;tampering&quot; according to
&gt; &gt; the new '06 EPA regulations.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; thanks,
&gt; &gt; Wally
&gt; &gt;
&gt; Nope. And make sure you don't take the tags off your mattress.
&gt;
&gt; Have a drink on me while you contemplate
&gt;
&gt; Fins BS#221

I took the tag off my mattress and now I'm screwed (no pun intended).

/mel

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#4: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 05:00:20 by ozark

Wally,
As far as I know even changing the pipes makes your bike not comply.
Chances are if you change your pipes you will need to adjust your fuel
mix to keep from burning too lean and while your at it you might as
well put a better flowing air cleaner on too. You will see that most of
this SE gear comes with warning that it is for off road use only. This
is HD's way of covering there ass because they know that these changes
violate the EPA regs.
The good news is that in most states nobody checks and unless your
dealer is a total asshole you will be covered by a warranty.
Talk to your dealer's service department they will know if your state
does a sniff test and if they will honor your warranty.
For what it's worth, this group has a way of doing things and you will
usually get a better reception if you read the FAQ and follow the
customs here.
Congrats on the new bike.
Ozark

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#5: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 05:01:31 by Les

&quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt; For what it's worth, this group has a way of doing things and you will
&gt; usually get a better reception if you read the FAQ and follow the
&gt; customs here.

This includes quoting, snipping, and bottom posting.

Les

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#6: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 05:43:27 by Bear

les wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; For what it's worth, this group has a way of doing things and you will
&gt; &gt; usually get a better reception if you read the FAQ and follow the
&gt; &gt; customs here.
&gt;
&gt; This includes quoting, snipping, and bottom posting.

I'm just about ready to globally &lt;ploink&gt; any and all googlegroups.com posters, and then write exceptions for those that aren't to fucking lazy to learn how to quote. I mean really, 'How to quote with Google Groups' is/has been posted every sunday since google groups started. &lt;sheesh&gt;
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#7: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 05:48:59 by Les

&lt;<a href="mailto:Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid" target="_blank">Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:43000FAB.41A998DF&#64;ix.netcom.com..." target="_blank">43000FAB.41A998DF&#64;ix.netcom.com...</a>
&gt; les wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; For what it's worth, this group has a way of doing things and you will
&gt;&gt; &gt; usually get a better reception if you read the FAQ and follow the
&gt;&gt; &gt; customs here.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This includes quoting, snipping, and bottom posting.
&gt;
&gt; I'm just about ready to globally &lt;ploink&gt; any and all googlegroups.com
&gt; posters, and then write exceptions for those that aren't to fucking lazy
&gt; to learn how to quote. I mean really, 'How to quote with Google Groups'
&gt; is/has been posted every sunday since google groups started. &lt;sheesh&gt;

It must be the replacement for dweebTV. A bunch that don't pay attention,
and a very few that actually post properly.

Les

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#8: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 06:03:16 by Bear

les wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid" target="_blank">Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:43000FAB.41A998DF&#64;ix.netcom.com..." target="_blank">43000FAB.41A998DF&#64;ix.netcom.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; les wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; For what it's worth, this group has a way of doing things and you will
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; usually get a better reception if you read the FAQ and follow the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; customs here.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; This includes quoting, snipping, and bottom posting.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'm just about ready to globally &lt;ploink&gt; any and all googlegroups.com
&gt; &gt; posters, and then write exceptions for those that aren't to fucking lazy
&gt; &gt; to learn how to quote. I mean really, 'How to quote with Google Groups'
&gt; &gt; is/has been posted every sunday since google groups started. &lt;sheesh&gt;
&gt;
&gt; It must be the replacement for dweebTV. A bunch that don't pay attention,
&gt; and a very few that actually post properly.

It took (0.76 seconds) to find this on google:

&quot;How can I automatically quote the previous message when I post a reply?&quot;

&quot;To quote the previous message in your reply, click the &quot;show options&quot; link then the blue &quot;Reply&quot; link at the top of the post. The full text of the previous message is included in the composition box and marked with angle brackets (&gt;) at the start of each line. You can place your comments between lines of the quote or simply add your thoughts at the bottom.&quot;

Yo! ozark, are you listening?????

It ain't rocket science.

(Of course *now* we'll have 87,250 word quotes with a 'me too' response, and it will be at the *top* of the document) &lt;sigh&gt;
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#9: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 06:30:32 by Les

&lt;<a href="mailto:Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid" target="_blank">Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:43001450.7C5D340B&#64;ix.netcom.com..." target="_blank">43001450.7C5D340B&#64;ix.netcom.com...</a>
&gt; les wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid" target="_blank">Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:43000FAB.41A998DF&#64;ix.netcom.com..." target="_blank">43000FAB.41A998DF&#64;ix.netcom.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt; les wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124074820.957716.55580&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; For what it's worth, this group has a way of doing things and you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; will
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; usually get a better reception if you read the FAQ and follow the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; customs here.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; This includes quoting, snipping, and bottom posting.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; I'm just about ready to globally &lt;ploink&gt; any and all googlegroups.com
&gt;&gt; &gt; posters, and then write exceptions for those that aren't to fucking
&gt;&gt; &gt; lazy
&gt;&gt; &gt; to learn how to quote. I mean really, 'How to quote with Google Groups'
&gt;&gt; &gt; is/has been posted every sunday since google groups started. &lt;sheesh&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It must be the replacement for dweebTV. A bunch that don't pay attention,
&gt;&gt; and a very few that actually post properly.
&gt;
&gt; It took (0.76 seconds) to find this on google:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;How can I automatically quote the previous message when I post a reply?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;To quote the previous message in your reply, click the &quot;show options&quot;
&gt; link then the blue &quot;Reply&quot; link at the top of the post. The full text of
&gt; the previous message is included in the composition box and marked with
&gt; angle brackets (&gt;) at the start of each line. You can place your comments
&gt; between lines of the quote or simply add your thoughts at the bottom.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Yo! ozark, are you listening?????
&gt;
&gt; It ain't rocket science.
&gt;
&gt; (Of course *now* we'll have 87,250 word quotes with a 'me too' response,
&gt; and it will be at the *top* of the document) &lt;sigh&gt;

They say history repeats itself. If enough people would pay attention, we
could actually change this small part of it.

Les

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#10: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 08:13:45 by andythe

<a href="mailto:Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid" target="_blank">Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid</a> wrote:

(snip)
&gt;
&gt; I'm just about ready to globally &lt;ploink&gt; any and all googlegroups.com posters

(snip)

I hope you put me on your 'not too fucking lazy' list. I pretty much
gotta use the ol' google method. We can't get any newsgroups at work
(got 'em all blocked for some insanse reason) and that's my only
alternative. 'Spose I could use a newsreader here at home, but I don't
spend much time on it here. I prefer to do it at work and get paid for
it. &lt;G&gt;

Andy aka Big Stinkie SLOB#3 VB#1
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#11: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 13:39:40 by Bear

big stinkie wrote:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="mailto:Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid" target="_blank">Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt; (snip)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'm just about ready to globally &lt;ploink&gt; any and all googlegroups.com posters
&gt;
&gt; (snip)
&gt;
&gt; I hope you put me on your 'not too fucking lazy' list. I pretty much
&gt; gotta use the ol' google method. We can't get any newsgroups at work
&gt; (got 'em all blocked for some insanse reason) and that's my only
&gt; alternative. 'Spose I could use a newsreader here at home, but I don't
&gt; spend much time on it here. I prefer to do it at work and get paid for
&gt; it. &lt;G&gt;

Heh,heh! Absofuckinlutely, you're on it! &lt;g&gt;

It's not the 'google method', it's the user. &lt;sfsf&gt;
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#12: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 15:39:44 by Wally Hooker

&lt;Hi All, I'm a newbie here with a question. I just bought an '06 dyna
super glide custom. Can I legally put on the screamin eagle slash down

mufflers without having to add the Stage 1 air cleaner and remap?
(since the stage 1 air cleaner is considered &quot;tampering&quot; according to
the new '06 EPA regulations.


thanks,
Wally &gt;

&lt;Wally,
As far as I know even changing the pipes makes your bike not comply.
Chances are if you change your pipes you will need to adjust your fuel
mix to keep from burning too lean and while your at it you might as
well put a better flowing air cleaner on too. You will see that most of

this SE gear comes with warning that it is for off road use only. This
is HD's way of covering there ass because they know that these changes
violate the EPA regs.
The good news is that in most states nobody checks and unless your
dealer is a total asshole you will be covered by a warranty.
Talk to your dealer's service department they will know if your state
does a sniff test and if they will honor your warranty.
For what it's worth, this group has a way of doing things and you will
usually get a better reception if you read the FAQ and follow the
customs here.
Congrats on the new bike.
Ozark &gt;

thanks! That's what I was really asking, if i just put the mufflers
on, would it run too lean.

Unfortunately, my dealer says new EPA regulations have started for '06
models, and they can't install any curently available after market
exhaust because it is considered &quot;tampering&quot; and will mess with the O2
sensor and catalytic converters. I'm not sure if there will be any
products available for 2006 bikes, or I'm just stuck with the stock
exhaust.

thanks,
Wally

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#13: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 18:23:01 by dm

Wally Hooker wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Unfortunately, my dealer says new EPA regulations have started for '06
&gt; models, and they can't install any curently available after market
&gt; exhaust because it is considered &quot;tampering&quot; and will mess with the O2
&gt; sensor and catalytic converters. I'm not sure if there will be any
&gt; products available for 2006 bikes, or I'm just stuck with the stock
&gt; exhaust.
&gt;
&gt; thanks,
&gt; Wally
&gt;
Don't think for a second that the aftermarket folks are going to settle
for being providers just for 05-older bikes. There definitely will be
products available for the 06-newer bikes, and there will always be
dealers willing to put them on. Aftermarket is too big of a cash cow to
be ignored. You may be stuck for now, but it won't be for long.

Fins BS#221

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#14: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-15 23:54:40 by ozark

&gt; les wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Yo! ozark, are you listening?????
&gt;
&gt; It ain't rocket science.
&gt; Yup I'm listenin. To be honest with you I read this group on Google and all it shows is my comments. No top post, no bottom post or anything else. I didn't know it doesn't show the whole thing.I expect that's the case with others. We didn't even know we were screwin up. Please take me off the too fucking lazy list and add me to the used to be too fucking dumb to know any better list.
Your thoughtfull insights and helpfull sugestions to assist me in
improving my posting skills are greatly appreciated. Please rest
assured that I will make note of your observations and make every efort
to improve my conduct in the future.
Fuck You Very Much,
Ozark
&gt;

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#15: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 00:22:18 by Bear

ozark wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; les wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Yo! ozark, are you listening?????

Yeah, except Les didn't say that I did!

&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; It ain't rocket science.
&gt; &gt; Yup I'm listenin. To be honest with you I read this group on Google and all it shows is my comments. No top post, no bottom post or anything else. I didn't know it doesn't show the whole thing.I expect that's the case with others. We didn't even know we were screwin up. Please take me off the too fucking lazy list and add me to the used to be too fucking dumb to know any better list.

Not sure if Ozark is saying the above, but you got it!

Shirley, let me get a round for those who try.

&gt; Your thoughtfull insights and helpfull sugestions to assist me in
&gt; improving my posting skills are greatly appreciated. Please rest
&gt; assured that I will make note of your observations and make every efort
&gt; to improve my conduct in the future.

I couldn't ask for more! &lt;g&gt;

&gt; Fuck You Very Much,

Hey, I am an Asshole™! We usually just say FYYFF!

Now, what will you have to drink, I'm buying.
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#16: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 00:49:21 by ozark

<a href="mailto:Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid" target="_blank">Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid</a> wrote:
&gt; ozark wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; Now, what will you have to drink, I'm buying.
&gt; --
&gt; I'm slow but I catch on. Make mine a Budweiser and and the next rounds on me.

Ozark

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#17: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 01:01:03 by John Ross

ozark wrote:

&gt;&gt; It ain't rocket science. Yup I'm listenin. To be honest with you I
&gt;&gt; read this group on Google and all it shows is my comments. No top
&gt;&gt; post, no bottom post or anything else. I didn't know it doesn't
&gt;&gt; show the whole thing.I expect that's the case with others.

Try clicking &quot;show options&quot; next to the authors name of the message you
are replying to. Then click &quot;reply&quot;.
Now you can snip away and bottom post like a pro.

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#18: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 01:54:00 by Les

&quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1124142880.858970.102020&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124142880.858970.102020&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; les wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Yo! ozark, are you listening?????
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It ain't rocket science.
&gt;&gt; Yup I'm listenin. To be honest with you I read this group on Google and
&gt;&gt; all it shows is my comments. No top post, no bottom post or anything
&gt;&gt; else. I didn't know it doesn't show the whole thing.I expect that's the
&gt;&gt; case with others. We didn't even know we were screwin up. Please take me
&gt;&gt; off the too fucking lazy list and add me to the used to be too fucking
&gt;&gt; dumb to know any better list.
&gt; Your thoughtfull insights and helpfull sugestions to assist me in
&gt; improving my posting skills are greatly appreciated. Please rest
&gt; assured that I will make note of your observations and make every efort
&gt; to improve my conduct in the future.
&gt; Fuck You Very Much,
&gt; Ozark

You were doing great, right up to the last line. You always act like a
spoiled child when someone tries to be helpful?

Les

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#19: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 02:10:05 by Kenny aka JBBB

On 14 Aug 2005 20:00:20 -0700, &quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Wally,

&gt;As far as I know even changing the pipes makes your bike not comply.

This is typically a federal violation of BOTH noxious gas and noise
emission regulations, YMMV

&gt;Chances are if you change your pipes you will need to adjust your fuel
&gt;mix to keep from burning too lean and while your at it you might as
&gt;well put a better flowing air cleaner on too. You will see that most of
&gt;this SE gear comes with warning that it is for off road use only. This
&gt;is HD's way of covering there ass because they know that these changes
&gt;violate the EPA regs.

I wonder how much the new HD closed loop system will compensate for a
stage 1?

&gt;The good news is that in most states nobody checks and unless your
&gt;dealer is a total asshole you will be covered by a warranty.
&gt;Talk to your dealer's service department they will know if your state
&gt;does a sniff test and if they will honor your warranty.

I have a fear that the factory is behind this to put the aftermarket
out of business, including the big ones (e.g., S&amp;S). This EPA reg
stuff does nothing but benefit them and will put a lot pf pressure on
dealers to comply.

&gt;For what it's worth, this group has a way of doing things and you will
&gt;usually get a better reception if you read the FAQ and follow the
&gt;customs here.

<a href="http://rmhfaq.com/" target="_blank">http://rmhfaq.com/</a>

&gt;Congrats on the new bike.

Ditto

&gt;Ozark


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#20: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 02:11:53 by Bear

ozark wrote:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="mailto:Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid" target="_blank">Bear&#64;anywhere.invalid</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt; ozark wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Now, what will you have to drink, I'm buying.
&gt; &gt; --
&gt; &gt; I'm slow but I catch on. Make mine a Budweiser and and the next rounds on me.
&gt;
&gt; Ozark

&lt;glug&gt; &lt;glug&gt; Ahhhhhh, thanks! &lt;burp&gt;
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#21: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 02:32:25 by Kenny aka JBBB

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:13:45 -0700, big stinkie wrote:

&gt; I pretty much gotta use the ol' google method. We can't get any newsgroups
&gt; at work (got 'em all blocked for some insanse reason) and that's my only
&gt; alternative. 'Spose I could use a newsreader here at home, but I don't
&gt; spend much time on it here. I prefer to do it at work and get paid for
&gt; it. &lt;G&gt;

I have a Linux server at home (easier than you would think) that I can
tunnel into. From there I can remote desktop and get access to both
Windows machines as well as Linux machines to run, among other things, a
newsreader. All your company sees is SSH traffic, which is normal UNIX
stuff anyhow.

The other thing I have seen is that your ISP requires you to be on their
network to access newsgroups, which could explain having the same settings
at home and in the office, but only be able to access your subscription
from home. If this is the case you can subscribe to a newsgroup service
where you can get access independent of your ISP (i.e., work, home inet,
etc.).

Not sure which above applies to you, but hope it helps. YMMV.

&gt; Andy aka Big Stinkie SLOB#3 VB#1
&gt; 05 FLHT &quot;Ripley&quot;
&gt; &quot;There is only *one* RE.&quot;

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#22: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 02:33:20 by ozark

les wrote:
&gt; &quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1124142880.858970.102020&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124142880.858970.102020&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; les wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Your thoughtfull insights and helpfull sugestions to assist me in
&gt; &gt; improving my posting skills are greatly appreciated. Please rest
&gt; &gt; assured that I will make note of your observations and make every efort
&gt; &gt; to improve my conduct in the future.
&gt; &gt; Fuck You Very Much,
&gt; &gt; Ozark
&gt;
&gt; You were doing great, right up to the last line. You always act like a
&gt; spoiled child when someone tries to be helpful?
&gt;
&gt; Les
It's a joke mother, I mean brother. I have something along those lines
on the back of my cards. Most people get the joke, some don't.I do
appreciate any usefull advice I get. Thanks I guess.
Ozark

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#23: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 03:12:54 by andythe

Spud wrote:
&gt; On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:13:45 -0700, big stinkie wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I pretty much gotta use the ol' google method. We can't get any newsgroups
&gt; &gt; at work (got 'em all blocked for some insanse reason) and that's my only
&gt; &gt; alternative. 'Spose I could use a newsreader here at home, but I don't
&gt; &gt; spend much time on it here. I prefer to do it at work and get paid for
&gt; &gt; it. &lt;G&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I have a Linux server at home (easier than you would think) that I can
&gt; tunnel into. From there I can remote desktop and get access to both
&gt; Windows machines as well as Linux machines to run, among other things, a
&gt; newsreader. All your company sees is SSH traffic, which is normal UNIX
&gt; stuff anyhow.
&gt;
&gt; The other thing I have seen is that your ISP requires you to be on their
&gt; network to access newsgroups, which could explain having the same settings
&gt; at home and in the office, but only be able to access your subscription
&gt; from home. If this is the case you can subscribe to a newsgroup service
&gt; where you can get access independent of your ISP (i.e., work, home inet,
&gt; etc.).
&gt;
&gt; Not sure which above applies to you, but hope it helps. YMMV.
&gt;
Hoo, boy. Yer talking to someone who only 8 out of 10 times can
recognize a computer, let alone understand the more complex (for me)
issues. I can't even get my 2 PCs at home to talk to each other through
a hub! Seriously, though, I work in a police dispatch center and we
have PCs that are linked to the city's network. They have them heavily
protected from the outside world in order to 1: Maintain security of
information, and 2: Keep the system from being screwed up cuz it's our
Computer Aided Dispatch system. We keep track of all the cops with it.
I know very little about the set-up, but the IT guy for the police
department (friend of mine) said it's pretty bullet proof. (Famous last
words) Anyway, he said the newsgroups are blocked about the point where
they enter the building, figuratively speaking. I can get 'em through
Google, but not the binary groups...but I think that's a Google issue,
not our system.

Thanks for the info, though. Now I'm gonna go practice recognizing
computers. &lt;g&gt;

Andy aka Big 'isn't that a TRS-80?' Stinkie SLOB#3

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#24: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-16 04:08:14 by Les

&quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1124152400.878658.218610&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124152400.878658.218610&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt; les wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1124142880.858970.102020&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124142880.858970.102020&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; les wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Your thoughtfull insights and helpfull sugestions to assist me
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt;&gt; &gt; improving my posting skills are greatly appreciated. Please rest
&gt;&gt; &gt; assured that I will make note of your observations and make every efort
&gt;&gt; &gt; to improve my conduct in the future.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Fuck You Very Much,
&gt;&gt; &gt; Ozark
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; You were doing great, right up to the last line. You always act like a
&gt;&gt; spoiled child when someone tries to be helpful?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Les
&gt; It's a joke mother, I mean brother. I have something along those lines
&gt; on the back of my cards. Most people get the joke, some don't.I do
&gt; appreciate any usefull advice I get. Thanks I guess.
&gt; Ozark

Ok, that's cool. Your response here and a few others clear things up.

Seems like I've asked before, but being a DOF, CRS kicks in. Are you in the
Ozarks?

Les

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#25: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-20 19:47:04 by ozark

les wrote:
&gt; Ok, that's cool. Your response here and a few others clear things up.
&gt;
&gt; Seems like I've asked before, but being a DOF, CRS kicks in. Are you in the
&gt; Ozarks?
&gt;
&gt; Les

Les,

Bar keep set Ol Less up with a double and I just got paid so pour a
round for the house.

I have a place in Reynolds County Missouri where I spend most of my
time. We have a pretty little valley and a quarter mile of Black River
frontage. I also have a place in Jefferson county which is close to St.
Louis. I bounce back and forth. There isn't much money in Reynolds
county so I go to St. Louis to make money (and check my email) then
back to the Ozarks to Live.

There is no phone available at my place in the sticks but a good broad
band in Jefferson County so it's not that unusual for me to go a week
or so without replying.

One of the best parts of this set up is the trip back and forth on
highway 21 on my Sporty.

Ride Safe,

Ozark

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#26: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-22 04:26:26 by Les

&quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1124560024.602276.42470&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124560024.602276.42470&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt; les wrote:
&gt;&gt; Ok, that's cool. Your response here and a few others clear things up.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Seems like I've asked before, but being a DOF, CRS kicks in. Are you in
&gt;&gt; the
&gt;&gt; Ozarks?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Les
&gt;
&gt; Les,
&gt;
&gt; Bar keep set Ol Less up with a double and I just got paid so pour a
&gt; round for the house.
&gt;
&gt; I have a place in Reynolds County Missouri where I spend most of my
&gt; time. We have a pretty little valley and a quarter mile of Black River
&gt; frontage. I also have a place in Jefferson county which is close to St.
&gt; Louis. I bounce back and forth. There isn't much money in Reynolds
&gt; county so I go to St. Louis to make money (and check my email) then
&gt; back to the Ozarks to Live.
&gt;
&gt; There is no phone available at my place in the sticks but a good broad
&gt; band in Jefferson County so it's not that unusual for me to go a week
&gt; or so without replying.
&gt;
&gt; One of the best parts of this set up is the trip back and forth on
&gt; highway 21 on my Sporty.

You can't hardly go wrong with the roads over there. Much better than the
crumbling bridges &amp; shovels of loose asphalt patching potholes we have here
in Oklahoma.

Les

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#27: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-28 15:41:06 by Bob Mann

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:26:26 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;ozark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:donc314&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">donc314&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:1124560024.602276.42470&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1124560024.602276.42470&#64;g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; les wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ok, that's cool. Your response here and a few others clear things up.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Seems like I've asked before, but being a DOF, CRS kicks in. Are you in
&gt;&gt;&gt; the
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ozarks?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Les
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Les,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Bar keep set Ol Less up with a double and I just got paid so pour a
&gt;&gt; round for the house.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I have a place in Reynolds County Missouri where I spend most of my
&gt;&gt; time. We have a pretty little valley and a quarter mile of Black River
&gt;&gt; frontage. I also have a place in Jefferson county which is close to St.
&gt;&gt; Louis. I bounce back and forth. There isn't much money in Reynolds
&gt;&gt; county so I go to St. Louis to make money (and check my email) then
&gt;&gt; back to the Ozarks to Live.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; There is no phone available at my place in the sticks but a good broad
&gt;&gt; band in Jefferson County so it's not that unusual for me to go a week
&gt;&gt; or so without replying.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; One of the best parts of this set up is the trip back and forth on
&gt;&gt; highway 21 on my Sporty.
&gt;
&gt;You can't hardly go wrong with the roads over there. Much better than the
&gt;crumbling bridges &amp; shovels of loose asphalt patching potholes we have here
&gt;in Oklahoma.
&gt;
&gt;Les
&gt;
The roads up here in Manitoba must really be bad because I thought the
Ok roads were, well, OK.
Mind you, I only saw two main ones.
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Posted on 2005-08-28 17:38:32 by Les

&quot;Bob Mann&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:wiley48&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">wiley48&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:26:26 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;&gt;You can't hardly go wrong with the roads over there. Much better than the
&gt;&gt;crumbling bridges &amp; shovels of loose asphalt patching potholes we have
&gt;&gt;here
&gt;&gt;in Oklahoma.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Les
&gt;&gt;
&gt; The roads up here in Manitoba must really be bad because I thought the
&gt; Ok roads were, well, OK.
&gt; Mind you, I only saw two main ones.

Let me guess, 2 of these 3, I-40, I-35, US-412? Pick another road, any
road...

Someone has posted a link in the past to a supposed trip thru a nuclear
wasteland. Welcome to Oklahoma in a few years if they don't get started
replacing these bridges.

Les

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#29: Re: 2006 dyna - screamin' eagle slip ons?

Posted on 2005-08-30 00:57:39 by Bob Mann

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:38:32 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Bob Mann&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:wiley48&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">wiley48&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:vlf3h1tpg44edlcihv8s00ls45h7r5nq52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">vlf3h1tpg44edlcihv8s00ls45h7r5nq52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:26:26 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;You can't hardly go wrong with the roads over there. Much better than the
&gt;&gt;&gt;crumbling bridges &amp; shovels of loose asphalt patching potholes we have
&gt;&gt;&gt;here
&gt;&gt;&gt;in Oklahoma.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Les
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The roads up here in Manitoba must really be bad because I thought the
&gt;&gt; Ok roads were, well, OK.
&gt;&gt; Mind you, I only saw two main ones.
&gt;
&gt;Let me guess, 2 of these 3, I-40, I-35, US-412? Pick another road, any
&gt;road...
&gt;
&gt;Someone has posted a link in the past to a supposed trip thru a nuclear
&gt;wasteland. Welcome to Oklahoma in a few years if they don't get started
&gt;replacing these bridges.
&gt;
&gt;Les
&gt;
Nope, US-81going south and US 69/75 going back north.
They didn't seem too bad to me.
Lots of podunk towns but decent roads.
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Without pain there is no glory&quot;
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Posted on 2005-08-30 04:32:36 by Les

&quot;Bob Mann&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:wiley48&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">wiley48&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:38:32 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Bob Mann&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:wiley48&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">wiley48&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:vlf3h1tpg44edlcihv8s00ls45h7r5nq52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">vlf3h1tpg44edlcihv8s00ls45h7r5nq52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:26:26 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You can't hardly go wrong with the roads over there. Much better than
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;crumbling bridges &amp; shovels of loose asphalt patching potholes we have
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;here
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;in Oklahoma.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Les
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The roads up here in Manitoba must really be bad because I thought the
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ok roads were, well, OK.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Mind you, I only saw two main ones.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Let me guess, 2 of these 3, I-40, I-35, US-412? Pick another road, any
&gt;&gt;road...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Someone has posted a link in the past to a supposed trip thru a nuclear
&gt;&gt;wasteland. Welcome to Oklahoma in a few years if they don't get started
&gt;&gt;replacing these bridges.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Les
&gt;&gt;
&gt; Nope, US-81going south and US 69/75 going back north.
&gt; They didn't seem too bad to me.
&gt; Lots of podunk towns but decent roads.

Haven't been across 81 that I can recall. Parts of 69 &amp; 75 are alright, but
other parts are very rough.

Les

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Posted on 2005-08-30 06:36:08 by Bob Mann

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:32:36 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Bob Mann&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:wiley48&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">wiley48&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:ff47h1hg2jikt16fkm24aaui5eriqfc77a&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">ff47h1hg2jikt16fkm24aaui5eriqfc77a&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:38:32 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Bob Mann&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:wiley48&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">wiley48&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:vlf3h1tpg44edlcihv8s00ls45h7r5nq52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">vlf3h1tpg44edlcihv8s00ls45h7r5nq52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:26:26 -0500, &quot;les&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net" target="_blank">oktr6r&#64;cox.chrome.net</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You can't hardly go wrong with the roads over there. Much better than
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;crumbling bridges &amp; shovels of loose asphalt patching potholes we have
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;here
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;in Oklahoma.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Les
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The roads up here in Manitoba must really be bad because I thought the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ok roads were, well, OK.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mind you, I only saw two main ones.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Let me guess, 2 of these 3, I-40, I-35, US-412? Pick another road, any
&gt;&gt;&gt;road...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Someone has posted a link in the past to a supposed trip thru a nuclear
&gt;&gt;&gt;wasteland. Welcome to Oklahoma in a few years if they don't get started
&gt;&gt;&gt;replacing these bridges.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Les
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Nope, US-81going south and US 69/75 going back north.
&gt;&gt; They didn't seem too bad to me.
&gt;&gt; Lots of podunk towns but decent roads.
&gt;
&gt;Haven't been across 81 that I can recall. Parts of 69 &amp; 75 are alright, but
&gt;other parts are very rough.
&gt;
&gt;Les
&gt;
Shows how &quot;good&quot; our roads are. :-)
I rode 75 and 69 all the way from Dallas to KC
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Bob Mann

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Without pain there is no glory&quot;
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