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#1: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 03:36:05 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

I stopped in and looked at the GT500 they had on the floor comparing
what was different suspension and braking wise compared to the shelby GT
next to it (the warmed over mustang GT for nearly 10 grand extra on the
appendix sticker). Eventually a sales guy notices me... I ask
immediately if they are still surcharging for it. This knocks him a bit
off balance. He says they are still going above sticker... limited
production of 1,000 units a year.... same old story. Then tells me every
make surcharges like this... arg. Another sales guy joined in, I said
I'll wait until they aren't being surcharged any more... And I didn't
like the color... actually I don't like any of the colors. I could
probably learn to like the grabber orange.. but that's like saying 'look
at me to the cops'.

1,000 units... my ass. I've seen wayyyyyyy too many of them in person
and far far and away too many advertised for there to be that few. I
can't find a production value online but it isn't that low... It would
just be nice their sales personel (not to mention ford itself with it's
broken promises) wouldn't try BS.

There's a reason I haven't bought a car in so long and this is a big
part of it.

Lol... found it on ebay... car at that dealership... they want 5 grand
over sticker.

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#2: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 04:35:42 by unknown

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#3: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 11:47:17 by Bob Willard

Scott in SoCal wrote:

&gt; On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:36:05 -0500, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a>
&gt; (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Lol... found it on ebay... car at that dealership... they want 5 grand
&gt;&gt;over sticker.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I wonder when Hertz will start selling their used rental units?

Don't forget that every Hertz Shelby has auto, not stick.
--
Cheers, Bob

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#4: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 14:42:34 by unknown

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#5: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 15:46:29 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:tnbit3ldet67m06hm5if8ikt3stdr03h8n&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">tnbit3ldet67m06hm5if8ikt3stdr03h8n&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Scott in SoCal wrote:
&gt;On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:47:17 -0400, Bob Willard
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:BobwBSGS&#64;TrashThis.comcast.net" target="_blank">BobwBSGS&#64;TrashThis.comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Scott in SoCal wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:36:05 -0500, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Lol... found it on ebay... car at that dealership... they want 5 grand
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;over sticker.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I wonder when Hertz will start selling their used rental units?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Don't forget that every Hertz Shelby has auto, not stick.
&gt;
&gt;The plus side is the Hertz units are the only ones with any likelihood
&gt;of becoming truly collectible in the future.

They are all future collectibles, everything ford's marketing says is
special will be worth 6 figures or more in today's money... that's what
ford marketing wants everyone to believe....

The only way any of them will be collectable is the way that people sell
some of their old cars today.... it's only one six of 1968 hardtops with
a 390V8, 3spd, dogdish hubcaps, green interior, red exterior, and power
brakes! There are so many 'special' mustangs that aren't really all
that special which in sum total are alot of cars.

To me, the GT500 is a mustang with a bigger engine, bigger brakes and
some mild suspension upgrades... ok, theres the appearance package too.
Maybe I am wierd because I view it and the other 'special' mustangs as
just options in the entire line, the way most of the original mustang
variants were. It's not like these cars are built to satisify some
racing rule like the BOSS 302 or BOSS 429 were. Its not like the cars
will become rare because most of them will be used up and crushed like
mach 1's were. Most of the GT500s and other special mustangs of this era
won't be used up and destroyed... people were told they were special so
they will be used sparingly and a good number will be sealed up in
bubbles like some collectable coin.

I just don't see any reason they will be anything like the cars of the
60s.

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#6: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 17:35:13 by gpsman

On Mar 12, 10:36 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P)
wrote:
&gt; I stopped in and looked at the GT500
&gt;
&gt; Eventually a sales guy notices me...

And if he'd &quot;noticed&quot; you a moment sooner you'd be bitching he was all
over you.

&gt; I ask
&gt; immediately if they are still surcharging for it. This knocks him a bit
&gt; off balance.

Yeah, most people don't reveal they're looking at more car than they
can afford in the second they open their mouth.

&gt; And I didn't
&gt; like the color... actually I don't like any of the colors.

Heard- &quot;I can't afford it, but this is why I'd like you to believe I'm
not buying it&quot;.

&gt; It would
&gt; just be nice their sales personel (not to mention ford itself with it's
&gt; broken promises) wouldn't try BS.

You wouldn't want them to lag behind some of their &quot;prospective
customers&quot;, would you...?

&gt; There's a reason I haven't bought a car in so long and this is a big
&gt; part of it.

Sure.

&gt; Lol... found it on ebay... car at that dealership... they want 5 grand
&gt; over sticker.

And...?

&quot;If you don't deserve a car like this, or if it's simply beyond your
means, perhaps I can show you something more modest...?&quot;
-----

- gpsman

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#7: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 17:40:07 by N8N

On Mar 13, 12:35=A0pm, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

(a bunch of shit)

are you always a douchebag, or only when you post to Usenet?

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#8: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 19:40:34 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, N8N wrote:
&gt;On Mar 13, 12:35 pm, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;(a bunch of shit)
&gt;
&gt;are you always a douchebag, or only when you post to Usenet?

Ok Nate, I looked at gpstroll's post... when you snip him like that I
know it has to be funny.

lol.... I guess gpstroll missed this:
<a href="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMustang.jpg" target="_blank"> http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMust ang.jpg</a>
when Scott posted it.

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#9: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 20:28:42 by Scott M

&quot;Brent P&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:ktmdnajB1-rYo0TanZ2dnUVZ_sKqnZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">ktmdnajB1-rYo0TanZ2dnUVZ_sKqnZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:tnbit3ldet67m06hm5if8ikt3stdr03h8n&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">tnbit3ldet67m06hm5if8ikt3stdr03h8n&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Scott in SoCal
&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:47:17 -0400, Bob Willard
&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:BobwBSGS&#64;TrashThis.comcast.net" target="_blank">BobwBSGS&#64;TrashThis.comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Scott in SoCal wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:36:05 -0500, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Lol... found it on ebay... car at that dealership... they want 5 grand
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;over sticker.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I wonder when Hertz will start selling their used rental units?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Don't forget that every Hertz Shelby has auto, not stick.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;The plus side is the Hertz units are the only ones with any likelihood
&gt;&gt;of becoming truly collectible in the future.
&gt;
&gt; They are all future collectibles, everything ford's marketing says is
&gt; special will be worth 6 figures or more in today's money... that's what
&gt; ford marketing wants everyone to believe....
&gt;
&gt; The only way any of them will be collectable is the way that people sell
&gt; some of their old cars today.... it's only one six of 1968 hardtops with
&gt; a 390V8, 3spd, dogdish hubcaps, green interior, red exterior, and power
&gt; brakes! There are so many 'special' mustangs that aren't really all
&gt; that special which in sum total are alot of cars.
&gt;
&gt; To me, the GT500 is a mustang with a bigger engine, bigger brakes and
&gt; some mild suspension upgrades... ok, theres the appearance package too.
&gt; Maybe I am wierd because I view it and the other 'special' mustangs as
&gt; just options in the entire line, the way most of the original mustang
&gt; variants were. It's not like these cars are built to satisify some
&gt; racing rule like the BOSS 302 or BOSS 429 were. Its not like the cars
&gt; will become rare because most of them will be used up and crushed like
&gt; mach 1's were. Most of the GT500s and other special mustangs of this era
&gt; won't be used up and destroyed... people were told they were special so
&gt; they will be used sparingly and a good number will be sealed up in
&gt; bubbles like some collectable coin.
&gt;
&gt; I just don't see any reason they will be anything like the cars of the
&gt; 60s.

Excellent points! It's so true nobody knew the older 60's Mustangs would be
so sought after so little efforts were made to maintain there integrity.
Also these cars became legends out in the field so to speak were as these
newer models are riding on their reputation, pun intended. I personally feel
let down from Ford after speaking to a few of their reps at the Auto Show
stating they were going to meet the demands of the consumer producing as
many Shelby's as the consumers wanted, hence no production numbers. Maybe
that was the case with Ford but not Shelby? Who knows, then Ford can still
produce their own legends with out him. I am so fed up with Shelby's tactics
I would rather own a Saleen.

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#10: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 22:26:33 by N8N

On Mar 13, 2:40=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P)
wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c0...&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.c" target="_blank">fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c0...&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.c</a>=
om&gt;, N8N wrote:
&gt; &gt;On Mar 13, 12:35=A0pm, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;(a bunch of shit)
&gt;
&gt; &gt;are you always a douchebag, or only when you post to Usenet?
&gt;
&gt; Ok Nate, I looked at gpstroll's post... when you snip him like that I
&gt; know it has to be funny.
&gt;
&gt; lol.... I guess gpstroll missed <a href="this:http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s8=" target="_blank">this:http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s8=</a>
7/Evilways75/STupidMustang.jpg
&gt; when Scott posted it.

The funny thing is I think his little head would asplode if he knew
how much my house was worth. Of course, you could possibly make the
case that you'd have to be a dumbass to buy real estate near DC in the
first place, but I have this thing about being jobless and homeless...

nate

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#11: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 23:05:45 by unknown

gpsman wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;If you don't deserve a car like this, or if it's simply beyond your
&gt; means, perhaps I can show you something more modest...?&quot;
&gt; -----

Perhaps we can show you the door.


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#12: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 23:07:17 by unknown

Brent P wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, N8N wrote:
&gt;&gt; On Mar 13, 12:35 pm, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; (a bunch of shit)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; are you always a douchebag, or only when you post to Usenet?
&gt;
&gt; Ok Nate, I looked at gpstroll's post... when you snip him like that I
&gt; know it has to be funny.
&gt;
&gt; lol.... I guess gpstroll missed this:
&gt; <a href="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMustang.jpg" target="_blank"> http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMust ang.jpg</a>
&gt; when Scott posted it.
&gt;

I didn't know there was a difference between a GT500 and a SHelby...

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#13: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 23:28:27 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;frc8j0$r5k$<a href="mailto:6&#64;posting2.glorb.com" target="_blank">6&#64;posting2.glorb.com</a>&gt;, &quot;WindsorFox wrote:
&gt;Brent P wrote:
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, N8N wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 13, 12:35 pm, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; (a bunch of shit)
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; are you always a douchebag, or only when you post to Usenet?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Ok Nate, I looked at gpstroll's post... when you snip him like that I
&gt;&gt; know it has to be funny.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; lol.... I guess gpstroll missed this:
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMustang.jpg" target="_blank"> http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMust ang.jpg</a>
&gt;&gt; when Scott posted it.

&gt; I didn't know there was a difference between a GT500 and a SHelby...

I'm just going to go through what I know, so don't feel insulted if I
cover something simple ;)

There's the Shelby GT500 mustang, that's the one actually priced about
right invoice/MSRP wise with the supercharged 5.4L, then there is the
shelby GT mustang.. which is really a mustang GT with a couple upgrades
and an appearance package... going for way too much MSRP wise over the
GT imo but I guess shelby's name badge does that. Dealers are then
adding significant premiums on both. How they find people dumb enough to
pay it I don't know. A GT500 at invoice would be great, at sticker it's
a so-so deal. Go above sticker and it's just buy something else that
isn't carrying the compromises of a basic V6 sporty car territory.

Beyond that... then there's the GT500KR, that I found is the one where
there are going to be 1000 made, I do not know what sticker is, six
figures is what I saw on ebay. But beyond there is the GT350H which is
the hertz car scott mentioned and few other mustang variants listed on
shelby's website.

Now that's just what carries the shelby badge. Ford also has the bullit
and then there is a mach 1 in the works. Furthermore there has been a
rebirth of the GT/CS nameplate. I figure twister specials and high
country specials can't be far away. I vaguely recall seeing something
online about a twister special. Throw into this mix the saleen and
roush mustangs and their multiple levels. I know I've missed some, but
there are just so many 'special' and 'collectable' mustangs now that I
can't see any of them being special in the long run.

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#14: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-13 23:55:45 by Frank ess

Brent P wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;frc8j0$r5k$<a href="mailto:6&#64;posting2.glorb.com" target="_blank">6&#64;posting2.glorb.com</a>&gt;, &quot;WindsorFox wrote:
&gt;&gt; Brent P wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; In article
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt;&gt; N8N wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 13, 12:35 pm, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (a bunch of shit)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; are you always a douchebag, or only when you post to Usenet?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ok Nate, I looked at gpstroll's post... when you snip him like
&gt;&gt;&gt; that I
&gt;&gt;&gt; know it has to be funny.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; lol.... I guess gpstroll missed this:
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMustang.jpg" target="_blank"> http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMust ang.jpg</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; when Scott posted it.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I didn't know there was a difference between a GT500 and a
&gt;&gt; SHelby...
&gt;
&gt; I'm just going to go through what I know, so don't feel insulted if
&gt; I cover something simple ;)
&gt;
&gt; There's the Shelby GT500 mustang, that's the one actually priced
&gt; about right invoice/MSRP wise with the supercharged 5.4L, then
&gt; there is the shelby GT mustang.. which is really a mustang GT with
&gt; a couple upgrades and an appearance package... going for way too
&gt; much MSRP wise over the GT imo but I guess shelby's name badge does
&gt; that. Dealers are then adding significant premiums on both. How
&gt; they find people dumb enough to pay it I don't know. A GT500 at
&gt; invoice would be great, at sticker it's a so-so deal. Go above
&gt; sticker and it's just buy something else that isn't carrying the
&gt; compromises of a basic V6 sporty car territory.
&gt;
&gt; Beyond that... then there's the GT500KR, that I found is the one
&gt; where there are going to be 1000 made, I do not know what sticker
&gt; is, six figures is what I saw on ebay. But beyond there is the
&gt; GT350H which is the hertz car scott mentioned and few other mustang
&gt; variants listed on shelby's website.
&gt;
&gt; Now that's just what carries the shelby badge. Ford also has the
&gt; bullit and then there is a mach 1 in the works. Furthermore there
&gt; has been a rebirth of the GT/CS nameplate. I figure twister
&gt; specials and high country specials can't be far away. I vaguely
&gt; recall seeing something online about a twister special. Throw into
&gt; this mix the saleen and roush mustangs and their multiple levels. I
&gt; know I've missed some, but there are just so many 'special' and
&gt; 'collectable' mustangs now that I can't see any of them being
&gt; special in the long run.

If they're going to make ordinary cars with fancy appearance upgrades,
they ought at least to be fun, like the Terlinguas:
<a href="http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=20" target="_blank">http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=20</a>

There is a history behind that name that doesn't really exist in the
same way for most of the others.

--
Frank ess

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#15: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-14 03:29:22 by unknown

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#16: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-14 03:29:56 by Scott M

&quot;Frank ess&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:frank&#64;fshe2fs.com" target="_blank">frank&#64;fshe2fs.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Brent P wrote:
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;frc8j0$r5k$<a href="mailto:6&#64;posting2.glorb.com" target="_blank">6&#64;posting2.glorb.com</a>&gt;, &quot;WindsorFox wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Brent P wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In article
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; N8N wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 13, 12:35 pm, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (a bunch of shit)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; are you always a douchebag, or only when you post to Usenet?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ok Nate, I looked at gpstroll's post... when you snip him like
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that I
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; know it has to be funny.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; lol.... I guess gpstroll missed this:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMustang.jpg" target="_blank"> http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMust ang.jpg</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; when Scott posted it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I didn't know there was a difference between a GT500 and a
&gt;&gt;&gt; SHelby...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm just going to go through what I know, so don't feel insulted if
&gt;&gt; I cover something simple ;)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; There's the Shelby GT500 mustang, that's the one actually priced
&gt;&gt; about right invoice/MSRP wise with the supercharged 5.4L, then
&gt;&gt; there is the shelby GT mustang.. which is really a mustang GT with
&gt;&gt; a couple upgrades and an appearance package... going for way too
&gt;&gt; much MSRP wise over the GT imo but I guess shelby's name badge does
&gt;&gt; that. Dealers are then adding significant premiums on both. How
&gt;&gt; they find people dumb enough to pay it I don't know. A GT500 at
&gt;&gt; invoice would be great, at sticker it's a so-so deal. Go above
&gt;&gt; sticker and it's just buy something else that isn't carrying the
&gt;&gt; compromises of a basic V6 sporty car territory.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Beyond that... then there's the GT500KR, that I found is the one
&gt;&gt; where there are going to be 1000 made, I do not know what sticker
&gt;&gt; is, six figures is what I saw on ebay. But beyond there is the
&gt;&gt; GT350H which is the hertz car scott mentioned and few other mustang
&gt;&gt; variants listed on shelby's website.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Now that's just what carries the shelby badge. Ford also has the
&gt;&gt; bullit and then there is a mach 1 in the works. Furthermore there
&gt;&gt; has been a rebirth of the GT/CS nameplate. I figure twister
&gt;&gt; specials and high country specials can't be far away. I vaguely
&gt;&gt; recall seeing something online about a twister special. Throw into
&gt;&gt; this mix the saleen and roush mustangs and their multiple levels. I
&gt;&gt; know I've missed some, but there are just so many 'special' and
&gt;&gt; 'collectable' mustangs now that I can't see any of them being
&gt;&gt; special in the long run.
&gt;
&gt; If they're going to make ordinary cars with fancy appearance upgrades,
&gt; they ought at least to be fun, like the Terlinguas:
&gt; <a href="http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=20" target="_blank">http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=20</a>
&gt;
&gt; There is a history behind that name that doesn't really exist in the same
&gt; way for most of the others.
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Frank ess


What's your take on the Saleen Parneli Jones? I really like it although imo
all Mustang's are diluted by the gluttony of to many variations.

Nick

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#17: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-14 05:51:02 by Scott M

&quot;Scott in SoCal&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenaztlan&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenaztlan&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:2fojt3ltkhlsgrqns5egoho56mqrodcjga&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">2fojt3ltkhlsgrqns5egoho56mqrodcjga&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:46:29 -0500, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a>
&gt; (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:tnbit3ldet67m06hm5if8ikt3stdr03h8n&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">tnbit3ldet67m06hm5if8ikt3stdr03h8n&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Scott in SoCal
&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:47:17 -0400, Bob Willard
&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:BobwBSGS&#64;TrashThis.comcast.net" target="_blank">BobwBSGS&#64;TrashThis.comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Scott in SoCal wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:36:05 -0500, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Lol... found it on ebay... car at that dealership... they want 5 grand
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;over sticker.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I wonder when Hertz will start selling their used rental units?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Don't forget that every Hertz Shelby has auto, not stick.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The plus side is the Hertz units are the only ones with any likelihood
&gt;&gt;&gt;of becoming truly collectible in the future.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;They are all future collectibles, everything ford's marketing says is
&gt;&gt;special will be worth 6 figures or more in today's money... that's what
&gt;&gt;ford marketing wants everyone to believe....
&gt;
&gt; But how many of the Hertz versions were produced? Probably not too
&gt; many, and many of those will be destroyed by renters. :) The ones that
&gt; survive will be pretty rare, I'm guessing.

Nobody has a crystal ball or any guarantees on future investments for that
matter. It's like trying to predict the weather. Just cause something has a
history doesn't mean its worth allot, good example the Shelby CSX the
Chrysler era or better yet error. Just because its rare doesn't make it
worthy either, example the Bricklin.


&gt;&gt;I just don't see any reason they will be anything like the cars of the
&gt;&gt;60s.
&gt;
&gt; Cars of the 60s don't hold a candle to modern cars in terms of power,
&gt; handling, or safety. I love the shape of the C3 Corvettes, but when it
&gt; came time to buy one I never even considered any of them.
&gt; --
&gt; &quot;Dave's not here, man!&quot;
&gt; - Tommy Chong

Today's modern cars wont hold a candle to tomorrows. Just hope you have a
fuel source to drive your classics otherwise they make for a large piece of
yard artwork.

Nick :)

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#18: Re: so I visted a ford dealer tonight...

Posted on 2008-03-14 07:15:16 by Frank ess

ND wrote:
&gt; &quot;Frank ess&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:frank&#64;fshe2fs.com" target="_blank">frank&#64;fshe2fs.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:kM6dnQtpkPZ2LUTanZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d&#64;giganews.com..." target="_blank">kM6dnQtpkPZ2LUTanZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d&#64;giganews.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Brent P wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; In article &lt;frc8j0$r5k$<a href="mailto:6&#64;posting2.glorb.com" target="_blank">6&#64;posting2.glorb.com</a>&gt;, &quot;WindsorFox wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Brent P wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In article
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">fe760726-1c51-433f-beb2-3022562c021e&#64;m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; N8N wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 13, 12:35 pm, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (a bunch of shit)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; are you always a douchebag, or only when you post to Usenet?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ok Nate, I looked at gpstroll's post... when you snip him like
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that I
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; know it has to be funny.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; lol.... I guess gpstroll missed this:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMustang.jpg" target="_blank"> http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Evilways75/STupidMust ang.jpg</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; when Scott posted it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I didn't know there was a difference between a GT500 and a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; SHelby...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm just going to go through what I know, so don't feel insulted
&gt;&gt;&gt; if I cover something simple ;)
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; There's the Shelby GT500 mustang, that's the one actually priced
&gt;&gt;&gt; about right invoice/MSRP wise with the supercharged 5.4L, then
&gt;&gt;&gt; there is the shelby GT mustang.. which is really a mustang GT with
&gt;&gt;&gt; a couple upgrades and an appearance package... going for way too
&gt;&gt;&gt; much MSRP wise over the GT imo but I guess shelby's name badge
&gt;&gt;&gt; does that. Dealers are then adding significant premiums on both.
&gt;&gt;&gt; How they find people dumb enough to pay it I don't know. A GT500
&gt;&gt;&gt; at invoice would be great, at sticker it's a so-so deal. Go above
&gt;&gt;&gt; sticker and it's just buy something else that isn't carrying the
&gt;&gt;&gt; compromises of a basic V6 sporty car territory.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Beyond that... then there's the GT500KR, that I found is the one
&gt;&gt;&gt; where there are going to be 1000 made, I do not know what sticker
&gt;&gt;&gt; is, six figures is what I saw on ebay. But beyond there is the
&gt;&gt;&gt; GT350H which is the hertz car scott mentioned and few other
&gt;&gt;&gt; mustang variants listed on shelby's website.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Now that's just what carries the shelby badge. Ford also has the
&gt;&gt;&gt; bullit and then there is a mach 1 in the works. Furthermore there
&gt;&gt;&gt; has been a rebirth of the GT/CS nameplate. I figure twister
&gt;&gt;&gt; specials and high country specials can't be far away. I vaguely
&gt;&gt;&gt; recall seeing something online about a twister special. Throw into
&gt;&gt;&gt; this mix the saleen and roush mustangs and their multiple levels.
&gt;&gt;&gt; I know I've missed some, but there are just so many 'special' and
&gt;&gt;&gt; 'collectable' mustangs now that I can't see any of them being
&gt;&gt;&gt; special in the long run.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; If they're going to make ordinary cars with fancy appearance
&gt;&gt; upgrades, they ought at least to be fun, like the Terlinguas:
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=20" target="_blank">http://www.shelbyautos.com/news.asp?id=20</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; There is a history behind that name that doesn't really exist in
&gt;&gt; the same way for most of the others.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt; Frank ess
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; What's your take on the Saleen Parneli Jones? I really like it
&gt; although imo all Mustang's are diluted by the gluttony of to many
&gt; variations.
&gt; Nick

I was a Parnelli fan in the Trans-Am era, and still get a thrill when
the cars show up at vintage racing events. Seems to me Saleen did a
good job of dragging some of that ethos onto the S197. I haven't
looked at prices for a few months, but my memory is that they are
expensive but not as much as the Shelbys.

Realistically, some who buy them will be quite pleased and store or
drive them without alteration, but a real nut will make some changes
to suit his uses or taste. Everyone has to decide if - for same or
similar money - they could come up with a car that fits them better,
and if they'd be satisfied with a good performer that doesn't have the
&quot;mystique&quot; of the aftermarket-name modifiers. I liked the
&quot;Minilite-inspired&quot; wheels enough to find and buy some (powder coated
black), but don't need the horsepower, color, and decals.

But I /do/ like the Saleen PJ Mustang as a concept with genuine battle
medals, and I like to look at the cars. They just don't fit any
position in my current circumstances.

--
Frank ess

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