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#1: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-10 00:23:17 by Carl Rogers

Hi Viatologists,

The Worldwide Highway Library proudly shares its third video of the
day... Quite frankly, we saved the best video for last... It's the
recently opened California 4 "bypass"!

<a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3</a>

The video's footage takes place from the Laurel Road interchange. So,
this route has important economic benefits for the cities of Brentwood
and Antioch. As a modified dual-carriageway with freeway
characteristics, Future Calfornia 4 helps funnel traffic from eastern
Contra Costa County towards Concord, Walnut Creek and into the
industrial districts of the SF East Bay.

Today, the route is colloquially known as the &quot;Route 4 Bypass&quot;. The
bypass now hosts a partial-interchange w/ Routes 4 and 160 in eastern
Antioch. This interchange was previously known to Contra Costites as
the 90-degree curve between Route 4 and the Antioch Bridge.
Previously and solely in existence between Lone Tree Way and Balfour
Road, the bypass will ultimately stretch from today's interchange at
Route 160 to the Byron Highway. At that time, the bypass will
officially become part of Route 4.

Enjoy!

Cheers,

Carl Rogers
&quot;Adding human experience to transportology&quot;
********
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<a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com</a>
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#2: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-10 01:02:28 by EAST COAST HIVE MIND

Standing on the hard shoulders of freeways again, eh? Isn't there a
prohibition against pedestrians on freeways? I should forward that vid to
the CHP. <a href="http://mryamamoto.topcities.com/temp/fut-ca-4.wmv" target="_blank">http://mryamamoto.topcities.com/temp/fut-ca-4.wmv</a> for those who
want the laugh without enriching CalQaeda.

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#3: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-10 01:44:56 by calrog

On Mar 9, 4:23=A0pm, Carl Rogers &lt;<a href="mailto:carl-...&#64;calrog.com" target="_blank">carl-...&#64;calrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Hi Viatologists,
&gt;
&gt; The Worldwide Highway Library proudly shares its third video of the
&gt; day... =A0Quite frankly, we saved the best video for last... =A0It's the
&gt; recently opened California 4 &quot;bypass&quot;!
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3</a>

Hi again,

Over the past hour, I've noticed a few Mac users who could access this
page but *not* the video!

Quick note to those awesome folk: all our videos are presented in WMV
(Windows Media Video) format. This technology keeps the videos small
and fast for you to download. So, check out these free downloads.
They'll get you hooked up in no time, assuming you've a broadband
Internet connection! :-)

<a href="http://www.flip4mac.com" target="_blank">http://www.flip4mac.com</a>
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/default.aspx" target="_blank"> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/def ault.aspx</a>

Cheers,

Carl

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#4: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-10 01:52:59 by EAST COAST HIVE MIND

<a href="mailto:calrog&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">calrog&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:

&gt; On Mar 9, 4:23àpm, Carl Rogers &lt;<a href="mailto:carl-...&#64;calrog.com" target="_blank">carl-...&#64;calrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; Hi Viatologists,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The Worldwide Highway Library proudly shares its third video of the
&gt;&gt; day... àQuite frankly, we saved the best video for last... àIt's the
&gt;&gt; recently opened California 4 &quot;bypass&quot;!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3</a>
&gt;
&gt; Hi again,
&gt;
&gt; Over the past hour, I've noticed a few Mac users who could access this
&gt; page but *not* the video!
&gt;
&gt; Quick note to those awesome folk: all our videos are presented in WMV
&gt; (Windows Media Video) format. This technology keeps the videos small
&gt; and fast for you to download. So, check out these free downloads.
&gt; They'll get you hooked up in no time, assuming you've a broadband
&gt; Internet connection! :-)
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.flip4mac.com" target="_blank">http://www.flip4mac.com</a>
&gt; <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/default.aspx" target="_blank"> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/def ault.aspx</a>
&gt;
&gt; Cheers,
&gt;
&gt; Carl

O Reilly? What about Linux users?

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#5: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-10 05:22:57 by Crowley

Carl Rogers wrote:
&gt; Hi Viatologists,
&gt;
&gt; The Worldwide Highway Library proudly shares its third video of the
&gt; day... Quite frankly, we saved the best video for last... It's the
&gt; recently opened California 4 &quot;bypass&quot;!

Let me guess, you are an audio engineer.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3</a>
&gt;
&gt; The video's footage takes place from the Laurel Road interchange. So,
&gt; this route has important economic benefits for the cities of Brentwood
&gt; and Antioch. As a modified dual-carriageway with freeway
&gt; characteristics, Future Calfornia 4 helps funnel traffic from eastern
&gt; Contra Costa County towards Concord, Walnut Creek and into the
&gt; industrial districts of the SF East Bay.
&gt;
&gt; Today, the route is colloquially known as the &quot;Route 4 Bypass&quot;. The
&gt; bypass now hosts a partial-interchange w/ Routes 4 and 160 in eastern
&gt; Antioch. This interchange was previously known to Contra Costites as
&gt; the 90-degree curve between Route 4 and the Antioch Bridge.
&gt; Previously and solely in existence between Lone Tree Way and Balfour
&gt; Road, the bypass will ultimately stretch from today's interchange at
&gt; Route 160 to the Byron Highway. At that time, the bypass will
&gt; officially become part of Route 4.
&gt;
&gt; Enjoy!
&gt;
&gt; Cheers,
&gt;
&gt; Carl Rogers
&gt; &quot;Adding human experience to transportology&quot;
&gt; ********
&gt; Calrog.com, Worldwide Highway Library:
&gt; <a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com</a>
&gt; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
&gt; An integrated media arm in International Transportation Research. Has
&gt; served your home country and ninety-nine of its worldwide neighbours
&gt; since 2000, through Internet downstream and published works.
&gt; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
&gt; ********
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#6: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-10 14:46:54 by unknown

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#7: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-10 22:31:09 by Big Daddy B-Rock

By modified dual-carriageway with freeway characteristics, you mean
&quot;freeway&quot;. Because that's what it is there. Later on it becomes an
&quot;expressway&quot;.

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#8: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-11 01:45:04 by EAST COAST HIVE MIND

Big Daddy B-Rock wrote:

&gt; By modified dual-carriageway with freeway characteristics, you mean
&gt; &quot;freeway&quot;. Because that's what it is there. Later on it becomes an
&gt; &quot;expressway&quot;.

CalBog is trying to be all international on us again. In the UK and Europe,
there are specifically legally designated motorway grids-'M' or 'A' roads.
There are situations in which lesser classes of roads are built up to full
freeway standard; but don't carry the official/legal definition
of 'motorway'; and are not considered as such, even they may for all
intents and purpose, be exactly the same. Michelin maps describe this
condition as 'dual carriageway with motorway characteristics' and have a
special symbol for it.

Now in the US, there is a specific motorway grid: the Interstate system-But
Interstates are not the only class of road that are legally allowed to be
defined as a freeway like European Motorways are. *Any* road in this
country can be a freeway, as you well know. The declaration is made by
States or even municipalities, rather than nationally.

So CalBog is trying to apply international terminology in a situation where
it doesn't apply, because he thinks it makes him look worldly. Soo-prize!

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#9: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-11 14:44:26 by Luxury Yacht

&lt;<a href="mailto:calrog&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">calrog&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:59b3bbdd-ce39-4068-924c-0baba7c4def1&#64;d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">59b3bbdd-ce39-4068-924c-0baba7c4def1&#64;d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...</a>
On Mar 9, 4:23 pm, Carl Rogers &lt;<a href="mailto:carl-...&#64;calrog.com" target="_blank">carl-...&#64;calrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Hi Viatologists,
&gt;
&gt; The Worldwide Highway Library proudly shares its third video of the
&gt; day... Quite frankly, we saved the best video for last... It's the
&gt; recently opened California 4 &quot;bypass&quot;!
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3</a>

Hi again,

Over the past hour, I've noticed a few Mac users who could access this
page but *not* the video!

Quick note to those awesome folk: all our videos are presented in WMV
(Windows Media Video) format. This technology keeps the videos small
and fast for you to download. So, check out these free downloads.
They'll get you hooked up in no time, assuming you've a broadband
Internet connection! :-)

<a href="http://www.flip4mac.com" target="_blank">http://www.flip4mac.com</a>
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/default.aspx" target="_blank"> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/def ault.aspx</a>

Your site still resizes browser windows for no apparent reason, other than
youj like to make it frustration to use. You said you were going fix that,
but I guessyou've said a lot of things that you don't mean. Like you're
leaving and never coming back.

Why should Mac users have to jump through special hoops for your pathetic
web site when they don't for others? Especially since your site isn't worth
the effort it takes to click on a couple of links to get there.

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#10: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 01:13:20 by Andrew Tompkins

Luxury Yacht wrote:
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:calrog&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">calrog&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:59b3bbdd-ce39-4068-924c-0baba7c4def1&#64;d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">59b3bbdd-ce39-4068-924c-0baba7c4def1&#64;d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; On Mar 9, 4:23 pm, Carl Rogers &lt;<a href="mailto:carl-...&#64;calrog.com" target="_blank">carl-...&#64;calrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; Hi Viatologists,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The Worldwide Highway Library proudly shares its third video of the
&gt;&gt; day... Quite frankly, we saved the best video for last... It's the
&gt;&gt; recently opened California 4 &quot;bypass&quot;!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3</a>

&lt;Also from Calrog&gt;

&gt;
&gt; Hi again,
&gt;
&gt; Over the past hour, I've noticed a few Mac users who could access this
&gt; page but *not* the video!
&gt;
&gt; Quick note to those awesome folk: all our videos are presented in WMV
&gt; (Windows Media Video) format. This technology keeps the videos small
&gt; and fast for you to download. So, check out these free downloads.
&gt; They'll get you hooked up in no time, assuming you've a broadband
&gt; Internet connection! :-)
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.flip4mac.com" target="_blank">http://www.flip4mac.com</a>
&gt; <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/default.aspx" target="_blank"> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/def ault.aspx</a>
&gt;

&lt;LY's stuff&gt;

&gt;
&gt; Your site still resizes browser windows for no apparent reason, other than
&gt; youj like to make it frustration to use. You said you were going fix that,
&gt; but I guessyou've said a lot of things that you don't mean. Like you're
&gt; leaving and never coming back.
&gt;
&gt; Why should Mac users have to jump through special hoops for your pathetic
&gt; web site when they don't for others? Especially since your site isn't worth
&gt; the effort it takes to click on a couple of links to get there.
&gt;

You complain when he doesn't solve problems with his website. You
complain when he does solve problems with it. You can't have it both
ways. The fact that you think his website sucks has little bearing on
the matter.

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#11: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 01:25:59 by Luxury Yacht

&quot;Andrew Tompkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andytom&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andytom&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:88CdncMv64O4vUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">88CdncMv64O4vUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt; Luxury Yacht wrote:
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:calrog&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">calrog&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:59b3bbdd-ce39-4068-924c-0baba7c4def1&#64;d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">59b3bbdd-ce39-4068-924c-0baba7c4def1&#64;d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; On Mar 9, 4:23 pm, Carl Rogers &lt;<a href="mailto:carl-...&#64;calrog.com" target="_blank">carl-...&#64;calrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Viatologists,
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The Worldwide Highway Library proudly shares its third video of the
&gt;&gt;&gt; day... Quite frankly, we saved the best video for last... It's the
&gt;&gt;&gt; recently opened California 4 &quot;bypass&quot;!
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3</a>
&gt;
&gt; &lt;Also from Calrog&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hi again,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Over the past hour, I've noticed a few Mac users who could access this
&gt;&gt; page but *not* the video!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Quick note to those awesome folk: all our videos are presented in WMV
&gt;&gt; (Windows Media Video) format. This technology keeps the videos small
&gt;&gt; and fast for you to download. So, check out these free downloads.
&gt;&gt; They'll get you hooked up in no time, assuming you've a broadband
&gt;&gt; Internet connection! :-)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flip4mac.com" target="_blank">http://www.flip4mac.com</a>
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/default.aspx" target="_blank"> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/def ault.aspx</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;LY's stuff&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Your site still resizes browser windows for no apparent reason, other
&gt;&gt; than youj like to make it frustration to use. You said you were going
&gt;&gt; fix that, but I guessyou've said a lot of things that you don't mean.
&gt;&gt; Like you're leaving and never coming back.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Why should Mac users have to jump through special hoops for your pathetic
&gt;&gt; web site when they don't for others? Especially since your site isn't
&gt;&gt; worth the effort it takes to click on a couple of links to get there.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You complain when he doesn't solve problems with his website. You
&gt; complain when he does solve problems with it. You can't have it both
&gt; ways. The fact that you think his website sucks has little bearing on the
&gt; matter.


Well, he didn't fix much of anything if his solution is for the someone to
use different software, now, did he? Most web designers would agree that
web sites presented for the general populace that don't work with common
software have a serious flaw.

And in the case of the browser resizing he claimed it was fixed but his site
continues to do that. So that isn't fixed either.

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#12: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 01:43:29 by Andrew Tompkins

Luxury Yacht wrote:
&gt; &quot;Andrew Tompkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andytom&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andytom&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:88CdncMv64O4vUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">88CdncMv64O4vUranZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; Luxury Yacht wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:calrog&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">calrog&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:59b3bbdd-ce39-4068-924c-0baba7c4def1&#64;d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">59b3bbdd-ce39-4068-924c-0baba7c4def1&#64;d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 9, 4:23 pm, Carl Rogers &lt;<a href="mailto:carl-...&#64;calrog.com" target="_blank">carl-...&#64;calrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Viatologists,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The Worldwide Highway Library proudly shares its third video of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; day... Quite frankly, we saved the best video for last... It's the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; recently opened California 4 &quot;bypass&quot;!
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3" target="_blank">http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/tmp/0903-3</a>
&gt;&gt; &lt;Also from Calrog&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi again,
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Over the past hour, I've noticed a few Mac users who could access this
&gt;&gt;&gt; page but *not* the video!
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Quick note to those awesome folk: all our videos are presented in WMV
&gt;&gt;&gt; (Windows Media Video) format. This technology keeps the videos small
&gt;&gt;&gt; and fast for you to download. So, check out these free downloads.
&gt;&gt;&gt; They'll get you hooked up in no time, assuming you've a broadband
&gt;&gt;&gt; Internet connection! :-)
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flip4mac.com" target="_blank">http://www.flip4mac.com</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/default.aspx" target="_blank"> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/def ault.aspx</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &lt;LY's stuff&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Your site still resizes browser windows for no apparent reason, other
&gt;&gt;&gt; than youj like to make it frustration to use. You said you were going
&gt;&gt;&gt; fix that, but I guessyou've said a lot of things that you don't mean.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Like you're leaving and never coming back.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Why should Mac users have to jump through special hoops for your pathetic
&gt;&gt;&gt; web site when they don't for others? Especially since your site isn't
&gt;&gt;&gt; worth the effort it takes to click on a couple of links to get there.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; You complain when he doesn't solve problems with his website. You
&gt;&gt; complain when he does solve problems with it. You can't have it both
&gt;&gt; ways. The fact that you think his website sucks has little bearing on the
&gt;&gt; matter.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Well, he didn't fix much of anything if his solution is for the someone to
&gt; use different software, now, did he? Most web designers would agree that
&gt; web sites presented for the general populace that don't work with common
&gt; software have a serious flaw.
&gt;

Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of software as
the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I gather
that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).

&gt;
&gt; And in the case of the browser resizing he claimed it was fixed but his site
&gt; continues to do that. So that isn't fixed either.
&gt;

It seems to be fixed for me (apparently done during the top-level access
upgrade). Maybe you need to update your software to current versions.

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#13: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 01:47:16 by Scott Nazelrod

On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of software as
&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I gather
&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).

Not if you're not using Windows.

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#14: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 01:58:39 by Andrew Tompkins

Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of software as
&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I gather
&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;
&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;

Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP. The
fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers out there don't use
Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which the WMV format is used.

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#15: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 02:26:22 by Luxury Yacht

&quot;Andrew Tompkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andytom&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andytom&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:qJWdna3C7_1Zt0ranZ2dnUVZ_ommnZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">qJWdna3C7_1Zt0ranZ2dnUVZ_ommnZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of software as
&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I gather
&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP. The
&gt; fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers out there don't use
&gt; Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which the WMV format is used.

But since he touts his site as being worldwide someone who happens upon his
site that did not come through these NG would not see that post or link.
So, de facto, he's admitting he's trolling for site hits from these NG and
ignoring the cyber world as a whole. So then all his blathering about using
terms like US Federal Route and spelling words in a non-USA manner and
claiming it's for the world is yet more manure.

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#16: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 02:29:22 by Jon Morse

Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of software as
&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I gather
&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP. The
&gt; fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers [in the United States] don't use
&gt; Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which the WMV format is used.
&gt;

Fixed your post, which given his &quot;worldwide&quot; nonsense is pretty ironic.

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#17: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 03:18:07 by Andrew Tompkins

Jon Morse wrote:
&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of software as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; gather
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP.
&gt;&gt; The fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers [in the United
&gt;&gt; States] don't use Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which the
&gt;&gt; WMV format is used.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Fixed your post, which given his &quot;worldwide&quot; nonsense is pretty ironic.
&gt;

Thanks. Worldwide that number would be 8.42% as of last month (Mac
being a little more 90% of that).

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#18: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 03:22:00 by Andrew Tompkins

Luxury Yacht wrote:
&gt; &quot;Andrew Tompkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andytom&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andytom&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:qJWdna3C7_1Zt0ranZ2dnUVZ_ommnZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">qJWdna3C7_1Zt0ranZ2dnUVZ_ommnZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of software as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I gather
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP. The
&gt;&gt; fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers out there don't use
&gt;&gt; Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which the WMV format is used.
&gt;
&gt; But since he touts his site as being worldwide someone who happens upon his
&gt; site that did not come through these NG would not see that post or link.
&gt;

Granted, it would be better if he also put this on a 'Requirements' page
on his website.

&gt;
&gt; So, de facto, he's admitting he's trolling for site hits from these NG and
&gt; ignoring the cyber world as a whole. So then all his blathering about using
&gt; terms like US Federal Route and spelling words in a non-USA manner and
&gt; claiming it's for the world is yet more manure.
&gt;

Irrelevant to the discussion.

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#19: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 03:28:07 by Luxury Yacht

&quot;Andrew Tompkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andytom&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andytom&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:9Jadnfb-eonQo0ranZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">9Jadnfb-eonQo0ranZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>

&gt;&gt;&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP. The
&gt;&gt;&gt; fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers out there don't use
&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which the WMV format is used.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But since he touts his site as being worldwide someone who happens upon
&gt;&gt; his site that did not come through these NG would not see that post or
&gt;&gt; link.
&gt;
&gt; Granted, it would be better if he also put this on a 'Requirements' page
&gt; on his website.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; So, de facto, he's admitting he's trolling for site hits from these NG
&gt;&gt; and ignoring the cyber world as a whole. So then all his blathering
&gt;&gt; about using terms like US Federal Route and spelling words in a non-USA
&gt;&gt; manner and claiming it's for the world is yet more manure.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Irrelevant to the discussion.

I disagree. I feel they are linked. But it's not worth it to belabor the
point.

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#20: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 03:36:38 by Jon Morse

Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; gather
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP.
&gt;&gt;&gt; The fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers [in the United
&gt;&gt;&gt; States] don't use Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which
&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format is used.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Fixed your post, which given his &quot;worldwide&quot; nonsense is pretty ironic.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Thanks. Worldwide that number would be 8.42% as of last month (Mac
&gt; being a little more 90% of that).
&gt;

Given his clear Euro-centrism and Windows' Asian dominance, I think
you're just being mendacious.

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#21: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 03:42:53 by Andrew Tompkins

Luxury Yacht wrote:
&gt; &quot;Andrew Tompkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andytom&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andytom&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:9Jadnfb-eonQo0ranZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">9Jadnfb-eonQo0ranZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP. The
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers out there don't use
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which the WMV format is used.
&gt;&gt;&gt; But since he touts his site as being worldwide someone who happens upon
&gt;&gt;&gt; his site that did not come through these NG would not see that post or
&gt;&gt;&gt; link.
&gt;&gt; Granted, it would be better if he also put this on a 'Requirements' page
&gt;&gt; on his website.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; So, de facto, he's admitting he's trolling for site hits from these NG
&gt;&gt;&gt; and ignoring the cyber world as a whole. So then all his blathering
&gt;&gt;&gt; about using terms like US Federal Route and spelling words in a non-USA
&gt;&gt;&gt; manner and claiming it's for the world is yet more manure.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Irrelevant to the discussion.
&gt;
&gt; I disagree. I feel they are linked. But it's not worth it to belabor the
&gt; point.
&gt;

The discussion was about one of many perceived problems with his
website. You complain when he doesn't fix problems. You complain when
he does fix problems. You complained about this particular fix (a
perfectly acceptable fix used by many webmasters).

I'm just saying that a lot of your complaints have a more stupid basis
than what Carl does. I'm not condoning what Carl does, but, sometimes,
what you do makes even less sense.

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#22: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 03:58:32 by Luxury Yacht

&quot;Andrew Tompkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andytom&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andytom&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:X42dnbtZUemv3kranZ2dnUVZ_qOknZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">X42dnbtZUemv3kranZ2dnUVZ_qOknZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>

&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I disagree. I feel they are linked. But it's not worth it to belabor
&gt;&gt; the point.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The discussion was about one of many perceived problems with his website.
&gt; You complain when he doesn't fix problems. You complain when he does fix
&gt; problems. You complained about this particular fix (a perfectly
&gt; acceptable fix used by many webmasters).
&gt;
&gt; I'm just saying that a lot of your complaints have a more stupid basis
&gt; than what Carl does. I'm not condoning what Carl does, but, sometimes,
&gt; what you do makes even less sense.

But he didn't post a fix on his web site. Only NG. So only NG would know
about the fix. How many webmasters would post a fix for their site problems
on a select few NG?

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#23: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 04:01:35 by Andrew Tompkins

Jon Morse wrote:
&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; gather
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers [in the United
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; States] don't use Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format is used.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Fixed your post, which given his &quot;worldwide&quot; nonsense is pretty ironic.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Thanks. Worldwide that number would be 8.42% as of last month (Mac
&gt;&gt; being a little more 90% of that).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Given his clear Euro-centrism and Windows' Asian dominance, I think
&gt; you're just being mendacious.
&gt;

<a href="http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8" target="_blank">http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8</a>

Other sites show similar marketshare numbers of 88-92% Windows of all
varieties (W98 to Vista) worldwide.

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#24: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 04:21:32 by EAST COAST HIVE MIND

Andrew Tompkins wrote:

&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of software as
&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I gather
&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for WMP. The
&gt; fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers out there don't use
&gt; Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with which the WMV format is used.
&gt;

But the Mac version doesn't work if you're using Linux, or any other *nix.
Flip for Mac costs money, incidentally. Now there are Linux WMV players; so
that problem is pretty easy to fix. Quicktime is different matter. It
barely runs under WINE if at all; so if you want to see a WHL 360, you're
out of luck. His site interface is designed to require multiple clicks to
get to an item of interest, etc.

It's not just the level of suck, Carl presumes to decide what OS you should
use. I don't want to use Windows or IE. I like what I have. I use Linux
because I can't afford laying out huge deals of money for programs like
Office, Photoshop or Illustrator, and I'm not too big on pirate software.


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#25: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 04:25:16 by Jon Morse

Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days. I
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; gather
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; WMP. The fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers [in the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; United States] don't use Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence with
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; which the WMV format is used.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Fixed your post, which given his &quot;worldwide&quot; nonsense is pretty ironic.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks. Worldwide that number would be 8.42% as of last month (Mac
&gt;&gt;&gt; being a little more 90% of that).
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Given his clear Euro-centrism and Windows' Asian dominance, I think
&gt;&gt; you're just being mendacious.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8" target="_blank">http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8</a>
&gt;
&gt; Other sites show similar marketshare numbers of 88-92% Windows of all
&gt; varieties (W98 to Vista) worldwide.
&gt;

I note your response doesn't address the subtle point I was making -- on
top of which you sent me to a site which I can't use to either back up
or refute my own point without coughing up money.

Lemme be direct, then: I'm fairly sure Mac and/or Linux usage is much
higher in Europe than elsewhere. Additionally, we don't have any way of
knowing to what extent Windows' market penetration is driven by
corporate use; my former employer allowed you to request a Mac if you
wanted one, but you GOT a Windows box whether you wanted one or not.

Obviously, we should be disregarding corporate penetration, since we all
know we shouldn't be looking at CalQ's web site at work, right? :p

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#26: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 19:20:20 by Andrew Tompkins

Jon Morse wrote:
&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows Media Player seems to be a pretty standard piece of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the WMV format seems to be used pretty prevalently these days.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I gather
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that you don't use the Adobe PDF viewer add-on or the Flash add-on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; software either (or any of the numerous other add-ons).
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Not if you're not using Windows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thus, the reason Carl provided the link to the Mac version for
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; WMP. The fact that 10-20% of desktop and laptop computers [in the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; United States] don't use Windows doesn't reduce the prevalence
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with which the WMV format is used.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Fixed your post, which given his &quot;worldwide&quot; nonsense is pretty
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ironic.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks. Worldwide that number would be 8.42% as of last month (Mac
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; being a little more 90% of that).
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Given his clear Euro-centrism and Windows' Asian dominance, I think
&gt;&gt;&gt; you're just being mendacious.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8" target="_blank">http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Other sites show similar marketshare numbers of 88-92% Windows of all
&gt;&gt; varieties (W98 to Vista) worldwide.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I note your response doesn't address the subtle point I was making -- on
&gt; top of which you sent me to a site which I can't use to either back up
&gt; or refute my own point without coughing up money.
&gt;

Then find your own site to make your point.

Try this one (page 5) which shows the European numbers, as of the end of
2005, to be Windows-94.5%, other-5.5%:

<a href="http://www.carnet.hr/CUC/cuc2005/program/presentations/f4_oreski.pdf" target="_blank"> http://www.carnet.hr/CUC/cuc2005/program/presentations/f4_or eski.pdf</a>


Or this one which shows numbers, as of today, to be Windows-93.8%,
other-6.2%:

<a href="http://www.webhits.de/" target="_blank">http://www.webhits.de/</a>
(select 'web barometer' from the top grouping and go to the second set
of graphs on that page)

&gt;
&gt; Lemme be direct, then: I'm fairly sure Mac and/or Linux usage is much
&gt; higher in Europe than elsewhere.
&gt;

Then show it.

&gt;
&gt; Additionally, we don't have any way of
&gt; knowing to what extent Windows' market penetration is driven by
&gt; corporate use; my former employer allowed you to request a Mac if you
&gt; wanted one, but you GOT a Windows box whether you wanted one or not.
&gt;

At my last place of work, we each had a Windows box and a Unix
workstation. Which one was used for web browsing? The Windows box.
The Unix box was for software development.

&gt;
&gt; Obviously, we should be disregarding corporate penetration, since we all
&gt; know we shouldn't be looking at CalQ's web site at work, right? :p
&gt;

Even on break time or off time? The major restriction that I have seen
is that viewed material not be obscene (YMMV, depending on company).
Despite what is said in these groups, Carl's stuff hasn't reached that
point yet.

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#27: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 19:46:09 by Jon Morse

Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Scott Nazelrod wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mar 11, 7:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins &lt;<a href="mailto:andy...&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andy...&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I note your response doesn't address the subtle point I was making --
&gt;&gt; on top of which you sent me to a site which I can't use to either back
&gt;&gt; up or refute my own point without coughing up money.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Then find your own site to make your point.

Again, obliviousness; I made a clear reference to regional usage and you
threw a link back at me at which a non-registered, non-paying visitor
can only see overall global usage. But that's okay, you've come up with
something now.

&gt; Try this one (page 5) which shows the European numbers, as of the end of
&gt; 2005, to be Windows-94.5%, other-5.5%:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.carnet.hr/CUC/cuc2005/program/presentations/f4_oreski.pdf" target="_blank"> http://www.carnet.hr/CUC/cuc2005/program/presentations/f4_or eski.pdf</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Or this one which shows numbers, as of today, to be Windows-93.8%,
&gt; other-6.2%:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.webhits.de/" target="_blank">http://www.webhits.de/</a>
&gt; (select 'web barometer' from the top grouping and go to the second set
&gt; of graphs on that page)
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Lemme be direct, then: I'm fairly sure Mac and/or Linux usage is much
&gt;&gt; higher in Europe than elsewhere.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Then show it.

Okay, maybe not -- but the numbers you just provided show that
non-Windows usage has shown an almost 10% growth rate over the last
three years. Isn't that in and of itself enough of a reason for people
not to stick their fucking noses in the air and insist that people use
Windows?

(As a total aside, I admit that I'm somewhat on the rampage about this
particular issue this month, insofar as I just got a new laptop -- a
pre-installed Windows unit, no less -- that was giving me the
black-screen-of-death frequently despite not actually having installed
any non-Microsoft software yet! Piece of shit OS.)

(End digression.)

Add to that, and I have no way of demonstrating this but I suspect it's
true and it really makes intuitive sense if you think about it, I'd bet
that the non-Windows numbers are additionally higher for people who
inhabit Usenet (which, of course, is relevant since CalQ advertises his
site on Usenet). Call me crazy, but the majority of us are crotchety
ol' rebels against the establishment.

&gt;&gt; Additionally, we don't have any way of knowing to what extent Windows'
&gt;&gt; market penetration is driven by corporate use; my former employer
&gt;&gt; allowed you to request a Mac if you wanted one, but you GOT a Windows
&gt;&gt; box whether you wanted one or not.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; At my last place of work, we each had a Windows box and a Unix
&gt; workstation. Which one was used for web browsing? The Windows box. The
&gt; Unix box was for software development.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Obviously, we should be disregarding corporate penetration, since we
&gt;&gt; all know we shouldn't be looking at CalQ's web site at work, right? :p
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Even on break time or off time? The major restriction that I have seen
&gt; is that viewed material not be obscene (YMMV, depending on company).
&gt; Despite what is said in these groups, Carl's stuff hasn't reached that
&gt; point yet.

Personally, I'm one of those people who thinks that if you sit on your
ass in front of a computer all day for work, when you take a &quot;break&quot; you
should, I dunno, get the hell away from the computer. ;)

Look, the *ultimate* problem here is two-fold. Regardless of Windows'
dominance in the marketplace, the non-Windows community is substantial.
I mean, how many computers IS 8% of the world marketplace? Tens of
millions, at least. One should not summarily ignore that marketplace.

Further, one should not &quot;force&quot; people into a format which really does
depend on either using a specific OS (and its built-in memory hog
viewing application which uses way too many resources on crap you don't
need), paying for a decent substitute viewing application, or settling
for really crappy freeware which doesn't always handle it properly. I
mean, you've probably noticed that Google's Street View works pretty
much everywhere with no additional download required...

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#28: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 21:17:23 by Andrew Tompkins

Jon Morse wrote:
&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I note your response doesn't address the subtle point I was making --
&gt;&gt;&gt; on top of which you sent me to a site which I can't use to either
&gt;&gt;&gt; back up or refute my own point without coughing up money.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Then find your own site to make your point.
&gt;
&gt; Again, obliviousness; I made a clear reference to regional usage and you
&gt; threw a link back at me at which a non-registered, non-paying visitor
&gt; can only see overall global usage. But that's okay, you've come up with
&gt; something now.
&gt;

I continue to give hard numbers and you continue to come up with opinion
with nothing to back it up. I don't want to know what you think. I
want you to refute numbers that I present with data. If you don't like
the sites that I give you, then present your own sites.

&gt;
&gt;&gt; Try this one (page 5) which shows the European numbers, as of the end
&gt;&gt; of 2005, to be Windows-94.5%, other-5.5%:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.carnet.hr/CUC/cuc2005/program/presentations/f4_oreski.pdf" target="_blank"> http://www.carnet.hr/CUC/cuc2005/program/presentations/f4_or eski.pdf</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Or this one which shows numbers, as of today, to be Windows-93.8%,
&gt;&gt; other-6.2%:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.webhits.de/" target="_blank">http://www.webhits.de/</a>
&gt;&gt; (select 'web barometer' from the top grouping and go to the second set
&gt;&gt; of graphs on that page)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Lemme be direct, then: I'm fairly sure Mac and/or Linux usage is much
&gt;&gt;&gt; higher in Europe than elsewhere.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Then show it.
&gt;
&gt; Okay, maybe not -- but the numbers you just provided show that
&gt; non-Windows usage has shown an almost 10% growth rate over the last
&gt; three years. Isn't that in and of itself enough of a reason for people
&gt; not to stick their fucking noses in the air and insist that people use
&gt; Windows?
&gt;

Standard dodge; change the parameters of the discussion.

In answer to your question: from .055 to .062? Hardly. Most of that
can probably be accounted for by their current court-enforced situation
in Europe.

&gt;
&gt; (As a total aside, I admit that I'm somewhat on the rampage about this
&gt; particular issue this month, insofar as I just got a new laptop -- a
&gt; pre-installed Windows unit, no less -- that was giving me the
&gt; black-screen-of-death frequently despite not actually having installed
&gt; any non-Microsoft software yet! Piece of shit OS.)
&gt;

Interesting. I bought a new Windows desktop last November. Haven't had
a single problem with it and certainly no BSOD. And I've already got a
lot of non-MS stuff on mine.

&gt;
&gt; (End digression.)
&gt;
&gt; Add to that, and I have no way of demonstrating this but I suspect it's
&gt; true and it really makes intuitive sense if you think about it, I'd bet
&gt; that the non-Windows numbers are additionally higher for people who
&gt; inhabit Usenet (which, of course, is relevant since CalQ advertises his
&gt; site on Usenet).
&gt;

I have no idea how you are coming up with this being intuitive at all.

&gt;
&gt; Call me crazy, but the majority of us are crotchety
&gt; ol' rebels against the establishment.
&gt;

As long as it does what I need it to do, I don't complain about it
whether it be establishment or not. That's why you haven't seen me
complain a whole lot about MS and probably won't for some time. Many
people complain about MS on principle alone. The best actual complaint
that I've heard about MS is ECHM's; the Linux stuff is cheaper than the
MS stuff and not loaded down with all the unneeded bells and whistles.

&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Additionally, we don't have any way of knowing to what extent
&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows' market penetration is driven by corporate use; my former
&gt;&gt;&gt; employer allowed you to request a Mac if you wanted one, but you GOT
&gt;&gt;&gt; a Windows box whether you wanted one or not.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; At my last place of work, we each had a Windows box and a Unix
&gt;&gt; workstation. Which one was used for web browsing? The Windows box.
&gt;&gt; The Unix box was for software development.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Obviously, we should be disregarding corporate penetration, since we
&gt;&gt;&gt; all know we shouldn't be looking at CalQ's web site at work, right? :p
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Even on break time or off time? The major restriction that I have
&gt;&gt; seen is that viewed material not be obscene (YMMV, depending on
&gt;&gt; company). Despite what is said in these groups, Carl's stuff hasn't
&gt;&gt; reached that point yet.
&gt;
&gt; Personally, I'm one of those people who thinks that if you sit on your
&gt; ass in front of a computer all day for work, when you take a &quot;break&quot; you
&gt; should, I dunno, get the hell away from the computer. ;)
&gt;

I do that when I need to discuss something with a co-worker (which
happens several times a day). Get up and go see them rather than using
the phone or email.

&gt;
&gt; Look, the *ultimate* problem here is two-fold. Regardless of Windows'
&gt; dominance in the marketplace, the non-Windows community is substantial.
&gt; I mean, how many computers IS 8% of the world marketplace? Tens of
&gt; millions, at least. One should not summarily ignore that marketplace.
&gt;

As opposed to how many computers is 92%. Go for the biggest bang for
your work. That means go for Windows users first, then Mac (with 6%).
The niche markets are going to be lucky to see anything that they don't
make for themselves. Note: I am not necessarily advocating this; it's
just the way things work.

&gt;
&gt; Further, one should not &quot;force&quot; people into a format which really does
&gt; depend on either using a specific OS (and its built-in memory hog
&gt; viewing application which uses way too many resources on crap you don't
&gt; need), paying for a decent substitute viewing application, or settling
&gt; for really crappy freeware which doesn't always handle it properly.
&gt;

So, you're saying that, if I put up a website, it should be compatible
with all platforms, despite the incompatibilities between all of them?
I'm having enough trouble getting my stripchart website to work on both
IE and Mozilla stuff (which would allow most non-Windows platforms to
view the stripchart pages) from one set of pages. And I'm not about to
put up 2 complete sets of pages to satisfy that.

&gt;
&gt; I
&gt; mean, you've probably noticed that Google's Street View works pretty
&gt; much everywhere with no additional download required...
&gt;

You're comparing calrog.com (one person working off a webhosting
service) with google.com (thousands of people working on a dedicated set
of probably thousands of servers)? :-)

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#29: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 21:19:48 by Andrew Tompkins

Luxury Yacht wrote:
&gt; &quot;Andrew Tompkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andytom&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">andytom&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:X42dnbtZUemv3kranZ2dnUVZ_qOknZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">X42dnbtZUemv3kranZ2dnUVZ_qOknZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I disagree. I feel they are linked. But it's not worth it to belabor
&gt;&gt;&gt; the point.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The discussion was about one of many perceived problems with his website.
&gt;&gt; You complain when he doesn't fix problems. You complain when he does fix
&gt;&gt; problems. You complained about this particular fix (a perfectly
&gt;&gt; acceptable fix used by many webmasters).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm just saying that a lot of your complaints have a more stupid basis
&gt;&gt; than what Carl does. I'm not condoning what Carl does, but, sometimes,
&gt;&gt; what you do makes even less sense.
&gt;
&gt; But he didn't post a fix on his web site. Only NG. So only NG would know
&gt; about the fix. How many webmasters would post a fix for their site problems
&gt; on a select few NG?
&gt;

I already granted you this one previously. It doesn't change my opinion
of the quality of some of the complaints here concerning Carl's website.

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#30: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-12 22:23:42 by Jon Morse

Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Okay, maybe not -- but the numbers you just provided show that
&gt;&gt; non-Windows usage has shown an almost 10% growth rate over the last
&gt;&gt; three years. Isn't that in and of itself enough of a reason for
&gt;&gt; people not to stick their fucking noses in the air and insist that
&gt;&gt; people use Windows?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Standard dodge; change the parameters of the discussion.
&gt;
&gt; In answer to your question: from .055 to .062? Hardly. Most of that
&gt; can probably be accounted for by their current court-enforced situation
&gt; in Europe.

6% (and growing at a 4-5% annual rate) is not a &quot;niche&quot;. I almost hate
to point this out, but according to your logic, &quot;American citizens not
of European, African, or Hispanic ancestry&quot; are a &quot;niche market&quot;, yet
every grocery store I go into has a full aisle of Indian and Chinese
food. 6% of all computers worldwide is a substantial market.

&gt;&gt; (As a total aside, I admit that I'm somewhat on the rampage about this
&gt;&gt; particular issue this month, insofar as I just got a new laptop -- a
&gt;&gt; pre-installed Windows unit, no less -- that was giving me the
&gt;&gt; black-screen-of-death frequently despite not actually having installed
&gt;&gt; any non-Microsoft software yet! Piece of shit OS.)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Interesting. I bought a new Windows desktop last November. Haven't had
&gt; a single problem with it and certainly no BSOD. And I've already got a
&gt; lot of non-MS stuff on mine.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; (End digression.)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Add to that, and I have no way of demonstrating this but I suspect
&gt;&gt; it's true and it really makes intuitive sense if you think about it,
&gt;&gt; I'd bet that the non-Windows numbers are additionally higher for
&gt;&gt; people who inhabit Usenet (which, of course, is relevant since CalQ
&gt;&gt; advertises his site on Usenet).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I have no idea how you are coming up with this being intuitive at all.

Because, you know, Usenet's origins as a place where *NIX geeks
interacted isn't relevant or anything when pondering the subject.
C'mon. You know perfectly well Usenet has a much higher percentage of
Serious Tech Geeks than, say, World of Warcraft. It only follows that
the percentage of Usenet users who aren't using Windows would be higher
than the overall non-Windows user base. Sure, maybe it's still under
15%; but then I've already argued that even 6% isn't a niche market.


&gt;&gt; Look, the *ultimate* problem here is two-fold. Regardless of Windows'
&gt;&gt; dominance in the marketplace, the non-Windows community is
&gt;&gt; substantial. I mean, how many computers IS 8% of the world
&gt;&gt; marketplace? Tens of millions, at least. One should not summarily
&gt;&gt; ignore that marketplace.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; As opposed to how many computers is 92%. Go for the biggest bang for
&gt; your work. That means go for Windows users first, then Mac (with 6%).
&gt; The niche markets are going to be lucky to see anything that they don't
&gt; make for themselves. Note: I am not necessarily advocating this; it's
&gt; just the way things work.

Then someone needs to get on the horn with all the tech companies who
are going whole-hog into the concept of full open-source, OS- and
browser-neutral development and tell them they're Doing It All Wrong.

&gt;&gt; Further, one should not &quot;force&quot; people into a format which really does
&gt;&gt; depend on either using a specific OS (and its built-in memory hog
&gt;&gt; viewing application which uses way too many resources on crap you
&gt;&gt; don't need), paying for a decent substitute viewing application, or
&gt;&gt; settling for really crappy freeware which doesn't always handle it
&gt;&gt; properly.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; So, you're saying that, if I put up a website, it should be compatible
&gt; with all platforms, despite the incompatibilities between all of them?
&gt; I'm having enough trouble getting my stripchart website to work on both
&gt; IE and Mozilla stuff (which would allow most non-Windows platforms to
&gt; view the stripchart pages) from one set of pages. And I'm not about to
&gt; put up 2 complete sets of pages to satisfy that.

&quot;All&quot;? No. Primarily because &quot;all&quot; includes &quot;crappy shit that doesn't
follow standards&quot; anyway. Windows, Mac, Linux; IE, Firefox, Safari.

Now, see... your strip chart stuff... I've been out of the community for
a couple-three years, but I recall seeing some really cool XML strip
chart stuff back before I got distracted with life. Were those yours?
If not, my following argument is still relevant anyway, just not
directly applicable to you personally. (And if they were, hey, those
were really awesome.)

The two things are quite a bit different; the different browsers
approached XML strangely and are just starting to get back into sync,
and the XML strip charts I recall couldn't have been done another way
(at least not sensibly). It was worth jumping through some hoops, *as a
user*, to check them out for that reason. (And ironically, Mac users
had fewer hoops to jump through; in fact, at first I HAD to use my Mac
to check them out.) BIG difference between that and deciding whether to
use WMV or some other non-annoying, non-proprietary movie format; no
relevant browser has any problem displaying an AVI file for example, and
the only difference in the code for the webmaster is the filename.

In short, you're comparing trying to bake a delicious homemade lasagna
with cooking a frozen pizza. If those were your charts, and someone
else compared the two situations, I'd backhand them for insulting you.

&gt;&gt; I mean, you've probably noticed that Google's Street View works pretty
&gt;&gt; much everywhere with no additional download required...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You're comparing calrog.com (one person working off a webhosting
&gt; service) with google.com (thousands of people working on a dedicated set
&gt; of probably thousands of servers)? :-)

No, I'm comparing a decision to use a format with a decision to use a
format. He's just as capable of making an avi as he is a wmv, after all.

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#31: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-13 02:12:26 by EAST COAST HIVE MIND

Andrew Tompkins wrote:

&gt; The best actual complaint
&gt; that I've heard about MS is ECHM's; the Linux stuff is cheaper than the
&gt; MS stuff and not loaded down with all the unneeded bells and whistles.
&gt;

It's a bit more than that. Windows ships pretty barebones by itself(that
doesn't include OEM bumdles); Linux in most distros provides a full word
processor, graphics software, CD burning software, etc. You get a great
deal for free. You can always get more if you need it-usually in packages
tailored to your distribution; so you can use aptitude or similar programs
to search for and specifically install the software you like.

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#32: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-14 00:22:15 by Andrew Tompkins

Jon Morse wrote:
&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Further, one should not &quot;force&quot; people into a format which really
&gt;&gt;&gt; does depend on either using a specific OS (and its built-in memory
&gt;&gt;&gt; hog viewing application which uses way too many resources on crap you
&gt;&gt;&gt; don't need), paying for a decent substitute viewing application, or
&gt;&gt;&gt; settling for really crappy freeware which doesn't always handle it
&gt;&gt;&gt; properly.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; So, you're saying that, if I put up a website, it should be compatible
&gt;&gt; with all platforms, despite the incompatibilities between all of them?
&gt;&gt; I'm having enough trouble getting my stripchart website to work on
&gt;&gt; both IE and Mozilla stuff (which would allow most non-Windows
&gt;&gt; platforms to view the stripchart pages) from one set of pages. And
&gt;&gt; I'm not about to put up 2 complete sets of pages to satisfy that.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;All&quot;? No. Primarily because &quot;all&quot; includes &quot;crappy shit that doesn't
&gt; follow standards&quot; anyway. Windows, Mac, Linux; IE, Firefox, Safari.
&gt;
&gt; Now, see... your strip chart stuff... I've been out of the community for
&gt; a couple-three years, but I recall seeing some really cool XML strip
&gt; chart stuff back before I got distracted with life. Were those yours?
&gt; If not, my following argument is still relevant anyway, just not
&gt; directly applicable to you personally. (And if they were, hey, those
&gt; were really awesome.)
&gt;

From the sounds of it, those were mine. They are still available at
<a href="http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways/index.html" target="_blank">http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways/index.html</a>
Coverage is now 8 states: WA, OR, CA, ME, NH, VT, MA and RI.

&gt;
&gt; The two things are quite a bit different; the different browsers
&gt; approached XML strangely and are just starting to get back into sync,
&gt; and the XML strip charts I recall couldn't have been done another way
&gt; (at least not sensibly). It was worth jumping through some hoops, *as a
&gt; user*, to check them out for that reason. (And ironically, Mac users
&gt; had fewer hoops to jump through; in fact, at first I HAD to use my Mac
&gt; to check them out.)
&gt;

Do you remember any of the details for viewing on Mac? I'd like to put
them on the requirements page.

&gt;
&gt; BIG difference between that and deciding whether to
&gt; use WMV or some other non-annoying, non-proprietary movie format; no
&gt; relevant browser has any problem displaying an AVI file for example, and
&gt; the only difference in the code for the webmaster is the filename.
&gt;

He also produces the videos. Are you certain that he has the capability
to produce in AVI? Have you asked? Non-confrontationally?

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#33: Re: Video of the California 4 bypass

Posted on 2008-03-14 11:13:06 by EAST COAST HIVE MIND

Andrew Tompkins wrote:

&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt; Andrew Tompkins wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jon Morse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Further, one should not &quot;force&quot; people into a format which really
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; does depend on either using a specific OS (and its built-in memory
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hog viewing application which uses way too many resources on crap you
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don't need), paying for a decent substitute viewing application, or
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; settling for really crappy freeware which doesn't always handle it
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; properly.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; So, you're saying that, if I put up a website, it should be compatible
&gt;&gt;&gt; with all platforms, despite the incompatibilities between all of them?
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm having enough trouble getting my stripchart website to work on
&gt;&gt;&gt; both IE and Mozilla stuff (which would allow most non-Windows
&gt;&gt;&gt; platforms to view the stripchart pages) from one set of pages. And
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm not about to put up 2 complete sets of pages to satisfy that.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;All&quot;? No. Primarily because &quot;all&quot; includes &quot;crappy shit that doesn't
&gt;&gt; follow standards&quot; anyway. Windows, Mac, Linux; IE, Firefox, Safari.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Now, see... your strip chart stuff... I've been out of the community for
&gt;&gt; a couple-three years, but I recall seeing some really cool XML strip
&gt;&gt; chart stuff back before I got distracted with life. Were those yours?
&gt;&gt; If not, my following argument is still relevant anyway, just not
&gt;&gt; directly applicable to you personally. (And if they were, hey, those
&gt;&gt; were really awesome.)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; From the sounds of it, those were mine. They are still available at
&gt; <a href="http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways/index.html" target="_blank">http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways/index.html</a>
&gt; Coverage is now 8 states: WA, OR, CA, ME, NH, VT, MA and RI.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The two things are quite a bit different; the different browsers
&gt;&gt; approached XML strangely and are just starting to get back into sync,
&gt;&gt; and the XML strip charts I recall couldn't have been done another way
&gt;&gt; (at least not sensibly). It was worth jumping through some hoops, *as a
&gt;&gt; user*, to check them out for that reason. (And ironically, Mac users
&gt;&gt; had fewer hoops to jump through; in fact, at first I HAD to use my Mac
&gt;&gt; to check them out.)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Do you remember any of the details for viewing on Mac? I'd like to put
&gt; them on the requirements page.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; BIG difference between that and deciding whether to
&gt;&gt; use WMV or some other non-annoying, non-proprietary movie format; no
&gt;&gt; relevant browser has any problem displaying an AVI file for example, and
&gt;&gt; the only difference in the code for the webmaster is the filename.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; He also produces the videos. Are you certain that he has the capability
&gt; to produce in AVI? Have you asked? Non-confrontationally?
&gt;

There are any number of handy-dandy file conversion programmes out there for
all platforms.

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