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#1: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 00:12:24 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-storymar04,0,5960746.story" target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-storymar04,0,5960746.story</a>

What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
are two days away?

A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
glided across the snow-covered fairway.

&lt;...&gt;

-------------------------

Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.

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#2: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 00:57:18 by DanKMTB

On Mar 4, 6:12=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt; <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;
&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.

What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. Stupid for sure,
and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
aspect.

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#3: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 04:49:12 by unknown

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#4: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 05:35:53 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:38ced37e-ecbc-4f77-97ae-b68197779a56&#64;p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">38ced37e-ecbc-4f77-97ae-b68197779a56&#64;p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt; On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt; and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. Stupid for sure,
&gt; and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; aspect.

It's a private gulf course and he caused a huge distruption for something
that was not particularly important. The road is rather close to the golf
course too. What am I saying close, it's just off the road.

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#5: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 05:43:21 by morticide

On Mar 4, 10:35=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P)
wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:38ced37e-ecbc-4f77-97ae-b68197779...&#64;p73g2000hsd.googlegroups." target="_blank">38ced37e-ecbc-4f77-97ae-b68197779...&#64;p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.</a>=
com&gt;, <a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; On Mar 4, 6:12=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:=

&gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor...=" target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...=</a>

&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryout=
s
&gt; &gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed=

&gt; &gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt; &gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; &gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he ha=
d
&gt; &gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; What's the problem? =A0Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he=

&gt; &gt; just had a better means at his disposal. =A0If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt; and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. =A0Stupid for sure,
&gt; &gt; and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt; aspect.
&gt;
&gt; It's a private gulf course and he caused a huge distruption for something
&gt; that was not particularly important. The road is rather close to the golf
&gt; course too. What am I saying close, it's just off the road.- Hide quoted t=
ext -
&gt;
&gt; - Show quoted text -

A location made for golf, but the pilot executed a goof: wonder if he
ended up with a 9-iron to the head afterward.

It was a display of the usual MFFY-level selfishness. However, no
GPSTroll Award...no Lahndartz Landing here. That would have made
quite a divot. Can't give him a mulligan.

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#6: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 06:43:55 by gpsman

On Mar 4, 10:49 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt; &gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt; &gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt; &gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; &gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt; &gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; &gt;just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. Stupid for sure,
&gt; &gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt;aspect.
&gt;
&gt; The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt; personal gain.

Hm. Explain to me again how being to your front and choosing a
velocity slower than you deem fit qualifies as MFFY...

You don't archive your posts, for some reason, so perhaps you'd be so
kind as to repeat yourself?
-----

- gpsman

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#7: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 15:29:31 by DanKMTB

On Mar 4, 10:49=A0pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;On Mar 4, 6:12=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor...=" target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...=</a>

&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryout=
s
&gt; &gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed=

&gt; &gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt; &gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; &gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he ha=
d
&gt; &gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;What's the problem? =A0Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; &gt;just had a better means at his disposal. =A0If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. =A0Stupid for sure,
&gt; &gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt;aspect.
&gt;
&gt; The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt; personal gain.
&gt; --
&gt; &quot;Dave's not here, man!&quot;
&gt; =A0 - Tommy Chong- Hide quoted text -
&gt;
&gt; - Show quoted text -

So in that case *everyone* I've ever knows is a MFFY. So are you,
since you've admitted to speeding at times. I'm sure you've broken
other rules. I thought MFFY meant Me First, Fuck You. I don't see
the &quot;fuck you&quot; aspect of landing a plane with skis on a snowy golf
course. I see the idiocy, just not where he's saying &quot;fuck you&quot; to
anyone or anything except the rules.

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#8: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 15:32:57 by DanKMTB

On Mar 4, 11:43=A0pm, MLOM &lt;<a href="mailto:gr...&#64;netzero.net" target="_blank">gr...&#64;netzero.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Mar 4, 10:35=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P)
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:38ced37e-ecbc-4f77-97ae-b68197779...&#64;p73g2000hsd.googlegroup" target="_blank">38ced37e-ecbc-4f77-97ae-b68197779...&#64;p73g2000hsd.googlegroup</a>=
s.com&gt;, <a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Mar 4, 6:12=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrot=
e:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor.=" target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor.=</a>
...
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryo=
uts
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breez=
ed
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highwa=
y
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he =
had
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; What's the problem? =A0Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, =
he
&gt; &gt; &gt; just had a better means at his disposal. =A0If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt; &gt; and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. =A0Stupid for sure=
,
&gt; &gt; &gt; and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt; &gt; aspect.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; It's a private gulf course and he caused a huge distruption for somethin=
g
&gt; &gt; that was not particularly important. The road is rather close to the gol=
f
&gt; &gt; course too. What am I saying close, it's just off the road.- Hide quoted=
text -
&gt;
&gt; &gt; - Show quoted text -
&gt;
&gt; A location made for golf, but the pilot executed a goof: wonder if he
&gt; ended up with a 9-iron to the head afterward.

People play golf on snow-covered fairways in your part? Us New
Englanders are pretty used to the snow, and we still consider golf
seasonal. When everything is snow covered, the fairways are bare
except for the occasional snowmobile.


&gt; It was a display of the usual MFFY-level selfishness. =A0However, no
&gt; GPSTroll Award...no Lahndartz Landing here. =A0That would have made
&gt; quite a divot. =A0Can't give him a mulligan.- Hide quoted text -
&gt;
&gt; - Show quoted text -

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#9: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 15:53:04 by gpsman

On Mar 5, 9:29 am, &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Mar 4, 10:49 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; &gt; &gt;just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt; &gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. Stupid for sure,
&gt; &gt; &gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt; &gt;aspect.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt; &gt; personal gain.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; So in that case *everyone* I've ever knows is a MFFY. So are you,
&gt; since you've admitted to speeding at times. I'm sure you've broken
&gt; other rules. I thought MFFY meant Me First, Fuck You. I don't see
&gt; the &quot;fuck you&quot; aspect of landing a plane with skis on a snowy golf
&gt; course. I see the idiocy, just not where he's saying &quot;fuck you&quot; to
&gt; anyone or anything except the rules.

Uh oh...

Somebody has either acquired, turned on or repaired their hypocrisy/
irony detector...
-----

- gpsman

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#10: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 15:57:11 by DanKMTB

On Mar 5, 9:53=A0am, gpsman &lt;<a href="mailto:gps...&#64;driversmail.com" target="_blank">gps...&#64;driversmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Mar 5, 9:29 am, &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; On Mar 4, 10:49 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote=
:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-sto=" target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-sto=</a>
r...
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tr=
youts
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, bre=
ezed
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a high=
way
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seate=
r
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All h=
e had
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;What's the problem? =A0Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone,=
he
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;just had a better means at his disposal. =A0If the fairway was frozen=

&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. =A0Stupid for sur=
e,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;aspect.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt; &gt; &gt; personal gain.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; So in that case *everyone* I've ever knows is a MFFY. =A0So are you,
&gt; &gt; since you've admitted to speeding at times. =A0I'm sure you've broken
&gt; &gt; other rules. =A0I thought MFFY meant Me First, Fuck You. =A0I don't see
&gt; &gt; the &quot;fuck you&quot; aspect of landing a plane with skis on a snowy golf
&gt; &gt; course. =A0I see the idiocy, just not where he's saying &quot;fuck you&quot; to
&gt; &gt; anyone or anything except the rules.
&gt;
&gt; Uh oh...
&gt;
&gt; Somebody has either acquired, turned on or repaired their hypocrisy/
&gt; irony detector...
&gt; =A0-----
&gt;
&gt; - gpsman- Hide quoted text -
&gt;
&gt; - Show quoted text -

What, you think this is the first time I've busted Scotts balls for
stuff like this? Pay attention.

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#11: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 15:57:43 by unknown

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#12: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 16:12:43 by DanKMTB

On Mar 5, 9:57 am, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:29:31 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;On Mar 4, 10:49 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. Stupid for sure,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;aspect.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt; &gt;&gt; personal gain.
&gt; &gt;&gt; --
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Dave's not here, man!&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; - Tommy Chong- Hide quoted text -
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; - Show quoted text -
&gt;
&gt; &gt;So in that case *everyone* I've ever knows is a MFFY.
&gt;
&gt; Perhaps to some degree. But this bit with the plane is pretty
&gt; egregious.
&gt;
&gt; Your &quot;it shouldn't have done any damage&quot; comment is typical IBJAM
&gt; thinking -

IBJAM?


&gt; &quot;no harm, no foul,&quot; right?

Right. Isn't that the same concept that allows you to speed, and
violate other rules? In my book &quot;no harm, no foul&quot; is a decent
concept.


&gt; I can do whatever the fuck I
&gt; want, as long as nothing bad actually happens (no matter what
&gt; potential for disaster may exist).

The &quot;potential for disaster&quot; exists all the time. For example, when
you're driving.


&gt; Would you take a shortcut across a frozen fairway in your SUV? After
&gt; all, it's frozen, so you shouldn't cause much damage...

Depends on the circumstances and the chances of getting caught. If I
was wheeling, and the trail cut across a section of fairway that
wasn't visible from the cops, probably. Why not? It doesn't hurt
anything, and nobody will be able to tell I was there when the snow
melts. The only people that would ever know it happened are those
doing similar things, since people don't golf in the snow. In NH we
have trails for snowmobiles, ATVs, etc that cut through farmland, golf
courses, lawns, all sorts of private property. If it's frozen and
snow covered there's no damage, so there's no concern. I realize shit
like this would never fly in So Cal, but in NH where people still
consider the people living by them neighbors and folks communicate and
try to get along it works out just fine.


&gt; &gt;I thought MFFY meant Me First, Fuck You. I don't see
&gt; &gt;the &quot;fuck you&quot; aspect of landing a plane with skis on a snowy golf
&gt; &gt;course.
&gt;
&gt; Isn't it obvious? For starters, that golf course is private property.

So? Where I'm from trails cut through private property all the time.
No harm, no foul. It's legal not only to cut through but to hunt on
other peoples property, unless it is clearly posted otherwise. We
don't have that kind of a &quot;but it's miiiiiiiiiiiine&quot; mentality you
guys seem to have in Cali. You're reminding me of a kid that is
content playing with one toy until another child picks up a different
one. Even though he wasn't using it, the other kid can't have it
&quot;because it's miiiiiiiine&quot;. Around here our parents break us of that
attitude before we even begin grade school.


&gt; If that was your lawn would you want some asshole landing his plane on
&gt; it (or driving his SUV across it)?

If it's frozen and snow covered, and does no damage? Sure. Why not?
Also, I've never seen an SUV with skis for tires. Propulsion would be
lacking.


&gt; Also, what if someone had been
&gt; cross-country skiing, or sledding, or simply building a snowman, when
&gt; that plane came down?

What if any of those activities were taking place on the frozen pond
that the pilot legally keeps this plane on in the winter? He sees
this, and doesn't land on them. Same thing for the golf course.
That's like saying &quot;I can't believe you drove your car into that dirt
lot! What if there had been kids playing where you just drove?&quot;
Well, then I would have seen that and wouldn't have driven there.


&gt; Landing an airplane in a place like that is very
&gt; clearly dangerous.

No, it isn't. It's no more (and possibly less) dangerous than landing
it on a frozen pond, which is perfectly legal, not to mention safe.


&gt; Oh, wait, I forgot - &quot;no harm, no foul.&quot; Since
&gt; nobody ACTUALLY got hurt, it's all A-OK.

Right.


&gt; &gt;I see the idiocy, just not where he's saying &quot;fuck you&quot; to
&gt; &gt;anyone or anything except the rules.
&gt;
&gt; Then you need to open your eyes.

I believe you're the one with a skewed perspective..

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#13: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 16:22:54 by unknown

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#14: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 16:38:02 by DanKMTB

On Mar 5, 10:22 am, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:32:57 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; It's a private gulf course and he caused a huge distruption for something
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; that was not particularly important. The road is rather close to the golf
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; course too. What am I saying close, it's just off the road.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; A location made for golf, but the pilot executed a goof: wonder if he
&gt; &gt;&gt; ended up with a 9-iron to the head afterward.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;People play golf on snow-covered fairways in your part?
&gt;
&gt; At this point it might be a good idea for you to pause for a moment
&gt; and ask yourself why you are the only person in this thread defending
&gt; this MFFY's actions. Perhaps it's because you secretly know we're
&gt; right and you're just playing Devil's Advocate; I sincerely hope
&gt; that's the case.
&gt; --
&gt; &quot;Dave's not here, man!&quot;
&gt; - Tommy Chong

Of course I know the pilot was in the wrong and I'm playing Devil's
Advocate for the sake of it. I can actually think of one way in which
this guy was a MFFY, and I'm amazed you have not grabbed onto it yet.

Anyway, your avoidance of my debunking all your points in the post
above the one you just made is noted. Did I hit a nerve comparing the
Cali mentality to the NH mentality?

Somehow I have a feeling if you moved out here and bought one of the
houses that has had a legal, maintained, groomed, mapped snowmobile
across a corner of your property you're be one of those rare A-holes
who actually posts it &quot;No Trespassing&quot; and messes up the flow of
hundreds of miles of trails. You know, a combination of MFFY and &quot;But
it's miiiiiiiiiine&quot;. Remind me to thank the trail gods that you live
in the Yuppie's Republic of Cali next time I'm on the trials.

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#15: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 16:52:25 by gpsman

On Mar 5, 10:22 am, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:32:57 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; It's a private gulf course and he caused a huge distruption for something
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; that was not particularly important. The road is rather close to the golf
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; course too. What am I saying close, it's just off the road.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; A location made for golf, but the pilot executed a goof: wonder if he
&gt; &gt;&gt; ended up with a 9-iron to the head afterward.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;People play golf on snow-covered fairways in your part?
&gt;
&gt; At this point it might be a good idea for you to pause for a moment
&gt; and ask yourself why you are the only person in this thread defending
&gt; this MFFY's actions.

EHAAHAHAHA hahahahah aheheheheheheheheheee &lt;gasp&gt; OOOooohhhh...
&lt;sigh&gt;...

O M G... thanks for that...
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- gpsman

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#16: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-05 21:39:35 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:7dcd4bb1-732d-4ba8-873f-30ea7ab68f49&#64;p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">7dcd4bb1-732d-4ba8-873f-30ea7ab68f49&#64;p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:

&gt; So in that case *everyone* I've ever knows is a MFFY. So are you,
&gt; since you've admitted to speeding at times. I'm sure you've broken
&gt; other rules. I thought MFFY meant Me First, Fuck You. I don't see
&gt; the &quot;fuck you&quot; aspect of landing a plane with skis on a snowy golf
&gt; course. I see the idiocy, just not where he's saying &quot;fuck you&quot; to
&gt; anyone or anything except the rules.

Where is the MFFY? Let me count the ways.

1) It's a private golf course.
2) It's very near busy roads. I've been there. I know for a fact it f'd
up traffic with idiots watching the plane.
3) It sucked up tax payer funded resources.... (although considering
Lincolnshire is a big speed trap (main roads with nonsenical speed limit
drops), well, it probably was a benefit for most people;)

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Posted on 2008-03-05 21:42:05 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1mcts3p2d71osl5f9ujk0ikqm4cdvia7d3&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">1mcts3p2d71osl5f9ujk0ikqm4cdvia7d3&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Scott in SoCal wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Isn't it obvious? For starters, that golf course is private property.
&gt; If that was your lawn would you want some asshole landing his plane on
&gt; it (or driving his SUV across it)? Also, what if someone had been
&gt; cross-country skiing, or sledding, or simply building a snowman, when
&gt; that plane came down? Landing an airplane in a place like that is very
&gt; clearly dangerous. Oh, wait, I forgot - &quot;no harm, no foul.&quot; Since
&gt; nobody ACTUALLY got hurt, it's all A-OK.

The DPR bicycle trail rides along the golf course. I've ridden it. So
your theory about people being nearby is entirely plausable. I am sure
x-country skiers use the trail in the winter, I would if I were into
that.

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Posted on 2008-03-05 21:46:02 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:8b03c2bf-19ca-48b3-bed0-b43272516135&#64;p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">8b03c2bf-19ca-48b3-bed0-b43272516135&#64;p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:

&gt; Depends on the circumstances and the chances of getting caught. If I
&gt; was wheeling, and the trail cut across a section of fairway that
&gt; wasn't visible from the cops, probably. Why not? It doesn't hurt
&gt; anything, and nobody will be able to tell I was there when the snow
&gt; melts. The only people that would ever know it happened are those
&gt; doing similar things, since people don't golf in the snow. In NH we
&gt; have trails for snowmobiles, ATVs, etc that cut through farmland, golf
&gt; courses, lawns, all sorts of private property. If it's frozen and
&gt; snow covered there's no damage, so there's no concern. I realize shit
&gt; like this would never fly in So Cal, but in NH where people still
&gt; consider the people living by them neighbors and folks communicate and
&gt; try to get along it works out just fine.

It wouldn't fly where the plane landed. The section of the DPR trail that
goes along side the golf course has signs and fences saying to stay on
the trail and not to trespass on to the golf course or the land of the
private homes on the other side.

If I didn't know where it landed with boots on the ground I wouldn't have
posted it :)

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Posted on 2008-03-06 05:27:20 by Nate Nagel

Scott in SoCal wrote:
&gt; On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:38:02 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Did I hit a nerve comparing the Cali mentality to the NH mentality?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; 1. Only lamers call it &quot;Cali.&quot;
&gt; 2. WTF is the &quot;California Mentality?&quot; I've never heard that phrase
&gt; before today.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Somehow I have a feeling if you moved out here and bought one of the
&gt;&gt;houses that has had a legal, maintained, groomed, mapped snowmobile
&gt;&gt;across a corner of your property you're be one of those rare A-holes
&gt;&gt;who actually posts it &quot;No Trespassing&quot; and messes up the flow of
&gt;&gt;hundreds of miles of trails. You know, a combination of MFFY and &quot;But
&gt;&gt;it's miiiiiiiiiine&quot;. Remind me to thank the trail gods that you live
&gt;&gt;in the Yuppie's Republic of Cali next time I'm on the trials.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Sorry to disrupt your little fantasy, but I would never move to any
&gt; place that gets cold enough to have snowmobiles.

Your loss, some of them are quite nice.

nate

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#23: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-06 17:41:52 by DanKMTB

On Mar 5, 11:19 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:12:43 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;On Mar 5, 9:57 am, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:29:31 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;On Mar 4, 10:49 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. Stupid for sure,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;aspect.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; personal gain.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; --
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Dave's not here, man!&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; - Tommy Chong- Hide quoted text -
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; - Show quoted text -
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;So in that case *everyone* I've ever knows is a MFFY.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Perhaps to some degree. But this bit with the plane is pretty
&gt; &gt;&gt; egregious.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Your &quot;it shouldn't have done any damage&quot; comment is typical IBJAM
&gt; &gt;&gt; thinking -
&gt;
&gt; &gt;IBJAM?
&gt;
&gt; I'll Be Just A Minute.
&gt;
&gt; IBJAMs are the people who thnk it's OK to double-park, park in a bus
&gt; stop, park in a handicapped space, park in front of a fire hydrant, or
&gt; do whatever the fuck they want, as long as they do it QUICKLY.
&gt;
&gt; The first words out of an IBJAM's mouth when he returns to his car to
&gt; find a meter maid writing a parking ticket (or a tow truck hooking up
&gt; for a tow) is &quot;but I was only here for a minute!&quot;

Gotcha. I know those people, and I'm not one. I made no mention of
anything being ok if it's just for a minute. I don't care if it's
hours, whatever. If it's not harming anyone or anything, and not
effecting anyone or anything else, who gives a damn?


&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;no harm, no foul,&quot; right?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Right.
&gt;
&gt; Wrong.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Isn't that the same concept that allows you to speed, and
&gt; &gt;violate other rules? In my book &quot;no harm, no foul&quot; is a decent
&gt; &gt;concept.
&gt;
&gt; Great. Give me your address, because I need a place to store one of my
&gt; vehicles while I'm at work, and I want to use your driveway. You'll be
&gt; away at work, so you won't need your driveway, right? So you won;t
&gt; mind if I use it.

Such an arrangement could be worked out with one of my neighbors.


&gt; Oh, and I'm planning a picnic on your front lawn,
&gt; too.

Really, my front lawn is small enough you wish to reconsider. My
house is very close to the street. I won't stop you though, nor do I
stop all the neighborhood kids from sitting on my front steps, which
is just the best spot for them to sit when they're playing at the T
intersection that makes the largest open pavement area in the
neighborhood. Nobody stops them from playing in the parking lot for
the building across the street, either, even though people park
there. When someone wants to park the kids move, the kids don't hit
the parked cars, and it all works out. It's downright neighborly.


&gt; I'll Be Just A Minute.

Take your time. Email me if you're ever in my neck of the woods and
I'll give you the addy.

It's kinda sad that you would have an issue with someone passing
through your land, or picnicking on the corner of your field. Let's
face it, a golf course is more like the edge of a large lawn or
groomed field than a small front lawn.


&gt; &gt;The &quot;potential for disaster&quot; exists all the time. For example, when
&gt; &gt;you're driving.

You still have not addressed this &quot;potential for disaster&quot; thing. How
is landing on a golf course that may have XC skiers any more dangerous
than landing on a pond that may have XC skiers, skaters, snowmobiles,
etc?


&gt; &gt;&gt; Would you take a shortcut across a frozen fairway in your SUV? After
&gt; &gt;&gt; all, it's frozen, so you shouldn't cause much damage...
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Depends on the circumstances and the chances of getting caught.
&gt;
&gt; Ah, another key tenet of MFFY: It's not wrong if you don't get caught!

No, it's not wrong if it doesn't hurt anybody else, doesn't affect
anybody else, and is not morally reprehensible in any way. It goes
right back to no harm, no foul. The not getting caught part is the
same thing as speeding, just trying to avoid headache and possible
costs. In my parts, like I said, if it's not posted there's no
obligation to keep out. People own tons of land and allow others to
pass through and use it in all sorts of ways. It's quite nice.

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Posted on 2008-03-06 17:44:36 by DanKMTB

On Mar 5, 11:24 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:38:02 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;Did I hit a nerve comparing the Cali mentality to the NH mentality?
&gt;
&gt; 1. Only lamers call it &quot;Cali.&quot;

1A) Only middle-aged nerds and older use words like &quot;lamer&quot;


&gt; 2. WTF is the &quot;California Mentality?&quot; I've never heard that phrase
&gt; before today.

Reread this thread, especially the parts you snipped from my responses
about neighbors sharing, coexisting, and not having the &quot;don't touch,
MINE!&quot; mentality. Than think about the fact that you'd object to
someone having a picnic on your property. That's the Cali mentality.
California mentality, if it makes you feel any better.


&gt; &gt;Somehow I have a feeling if you moved out here and bought one of the
&gt; &gt;houses that has had a legal, maintained, groomed, mapped snowmobile
&gt; &gt;across a corner of your property you're be one of those rare A-holes
&gt; &gt;who actually posts it &quot;No Trespassing&quot; and messes up the flow of
&gt; &gt;hundreds of miles of trails. You know, a combination of MFFY and &quot;But
&gt; &gt;it's miiiiiiiiiine&quot;. Remind me to thank the trail gods that you live
&gt; &gt;in the Yuppie's Republic of Cali next time I'm on the trials.
&gt;
&gt; Sorry to disrupt your little fantasy, but I would never move to any
&gt; place that gets cold enough to have snowmobiles.

Thank Christ. Man, I'm not even religious, but I gotta thank someone.

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#27: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-07 15:35:33 by DanKMTB

On Mar 6, 10:16 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:41:52 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;Gotcha. I know those people, and I'm not one. I made no mention of
&gt; &gt;anything being ok if it's just for a minute.
&gt;
&gt; Understood, but the thinking is similar. The underlying concept is &quot;no
&gt; harm, no foul&quot; - doing whatever you want is KO as long as nobody was
&gt; &quot;hurt&quot; by what you did. It's a way of thinking that I disagree
&gt; strongly with.

Good think we don't need to agree on everything.


&gt; &gt;I don't care if it's
&gt; &gt;hours, whatever. If it's not harming anyone or anything, and not
&gt; &gt;effecting anyone or anything else, who gives a damn?
&gt;
&gt; I'll tell you why that's morally bankrupt: you cannot predict the
&gt; future. You cannot know that your actions WON'T harm someone else.
&gt; Yes, 99% of the time they might not, but there's always that slight
&gt; chance that they will. I choose not to take that risk.

If you were to truly choose NEVER to take that risk you'd never
speed. Heck, you'd never drive at all.


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;no harm, no foul,&quot; right?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Right.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Great. Give me your address, because I need a place to store one of my
&gt; &gt;&gt; vehicles while I'm at work, and I want to use your driveway. You'll be
&gt; &gt;&gt; away at work, so you won't need your driveway, right? So you won;t
&gt; &gt;&gt; mind if I use it.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Such an arrangement could be worked out with one of my neighbors.
&gt;
&gt; Oh, so you rent out timeshare parking spaces in your neighbors'
&gt; driveways while they're away at work? What a swell guy!! :)

No. However, if a neighbor needed to use my driveway for something
when I was away, and asked, it wouldn't be an issue. Is that really
so foreign to you? I'm honestly curious where you stand on children
playing on your property. Do you have a large lot with a lot of
lawn? Are neighborhood kids ever cutting across or walking through
along the road, maybe retrieving a ball? How do you react?


&gt; &gt;&gt; I'll Be Just A Minute.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Take your time. Email me if you're ever in my neck of the woods and
&gt; &gt;I'll give you the addy.
&gt;
&gt; Of course, all of this is easy for you to say on USENET. If I were to
&gt; actually call you on it, we all know you'd never actually allow it.

Actually, I would. Who knows, IRL I might actually like you.

I also welcome the neighbors to come over and enjoy a beverage or
something off the grill rack on top of the chiminea. My family has
some private floating dock on moorings on a local river. If we're out
there cooking, partying, etc and we see complete strangers coming by,
they almost always get an invite. If they come by and say hi first
they always get an invite. When we go out to the mooring in the bay,
it's not uncommon to see someone grabbed it to stop for lunch. We
never mind, we just politely inform them that that one is ours and we
would like to use it. No harm, no foul, and sometimes they end up
tied alongside and we all have lunch together. It's truly sad to me
that you can't imagine I'd let you picnic on my lawn. Hell, I'd
invite you to a cookout lunch on my boat just because you were passing
by.


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;The &quot;potential for disaster&quot; exists all the time. For example, when
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;you're driving.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;You still have not addressed this &quot;potential for disaster&quot; thing. How
&gt; &gt;is landing on a golf course that may have XC skiers any more dangerous
&gt; &gt;than landing on a pond that may have XC skiers, skaters, snowmobiles,
&gt; &gt;etc?
&gt;
&gt; Perhaps XC skiers, skaters, snowmobilists, etc. might actually EXPECT
&gt; a frozen pond to be used as a landing strip, especially is such use is
&gt; legally permitted and customary. I would no more expect a plane to
&gt; land on a golf course than I would expect one to land in my back yard.
&gt; And it's the unexpected aspect that makes it more dangerous.

I agree that the unexpected aspect makes it slightly more dangerous.
Still, I think the pilot would have the same responsibilities, check
the area, make damn sure it's clear, and don't land anywhere that is
already being occupied by someone or something else. He appears to
have done all that just fine.


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Would you take a shortcut across a frozen fairway in your SUV? After
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; all, it's frozen, so you shouldn't cause much damage...
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Depends on the circumstances and the chances of getting caught.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Ah, another key tenet of MFFY: It's not wrong if you don't get caught!
&gt;
&gt; &gt;No, it's not wrong if it doesn't hurt anybody else, doesn't affect
&gt; &gt;anybody else, and is not morally reprehensible in any way.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for the ethics lesson. I've learned a lot today.

So have I. I'm finally getting a glimpse into the world of the old
guy who would yell at my friends and I when we were 14 cutting through
the neighborhood trails on our BMX bikes because one of us touched his
lawn.

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#28: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-07 15:38:17 by DanKMTB

On Mar 6, 10:17=A0pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:44:36 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;On Mar 5, 11:24 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:38:02 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Did I hit a nerve comparing the Cali mentality to the NH mentality?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; 1. Only lamers call it &quot;Cali.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;1A) Only middle-aged nerds and older use words like &quot;lamer&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Addy&quot; is also a lamer term, BTW. Idiots think it sounds cool, but
&gt; they don't realize it only makes them sound like idiots.

I agree, which is why I don't say it, and hence it's never heard from
me. No sound. Typing, however, it's just lazy shorthand, much like
all the arconyms. Kinda like BTW.


&gt; &gt;&gt; 2. WTF is the &quot;California Mentality?&quot; I've never heard that phrase
&gt; &gt;&gt; before today.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Reread this thread, especially the parts you snipped from my responses
&gt; &gt;about neighbors sharing, coexisting, and not having the &quot;don't touch,
&gt; &gt;MINE!&quot; mentality. =A0
&gt;
&gt; What makes you think that attitude is limited to Californians?

I don't. I see it all over. Lots in MA, and much moving to NH. I
just think it's worse in your parts. Just a stereotype, but they're
often based on some truth.


&gt; Seriously, you're just as bad as Paul Johnson.

Sure.

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#29: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-09 19:55:06 by larrybud2002

On Mar 4, 7:57=A0pm, &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Mar 4, 6:12=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;
&gt; &gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts=

&gt; &gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt; &gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt; &gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt; &gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; -------------------------
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had=

&gt; &gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; What's the problem? =A0Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt; just had a better means at his disposal. =A0If the fairway was frozen
&gt; and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. =A0Stupid for sure,
&gt; and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; aspect.

Hey, maybe we'll just let him land in your backyard. While we're at
it, we'll put a sign up allowing anybody to cross through your yard as
well. You obviously don't care about trespassing.

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Posted on 2008-03-09 20:03:47 by larrybud2002

&gt; Somehow I have a feeling if you moved out here and bought one of the
&gt; houses that has had a legal, maintained, groomed, mapped snowmobile
&gt; across a corner of your property you're be one of those rare A-holes
&gt; who actually posts it &quot;No Trespassing&quot; and messes up the flow of
&gt; hundreds of miles of trails. =A0You know, a combination of MFFY and &quot;But
&gt; it's miiiiiiiiiine&quot;. =A0Remind me to thank the trail gods that you live
&gt; in the Yuppie's Republic of Cali next time I'm on the trials.- Hide quoted=
text -

I'm sure your local government will be glad to hear you don't give a
shit about property rights when they come to seize your house and land
for the next strip mall!

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#31: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-12 21:49:54 by russotto

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:HridnVxtW8fFSlDanZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">HridnVxtW8fFSlDanZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;,
Brent P &lt;<a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-storymar04,0,5960746.story" target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-storymar04,0,5960746.story</a>
&gt;
&gt;What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt;are two days away?
&gt;
&gt;A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt;above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt;from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt;glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt;&lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt;-------------------------
&gt;
&gt;Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt;to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.

Yeah, but in terms of total coolness, landing on the golf course has
that all beat. Be better if he'd dropped the kid off and taken off
again, though, rather than have to disassemble it...
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#32: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-12 21:53:58 by russotto

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:os5ss31fliorlj495fnh9tgg8g3pcre8lf&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">os5ss31fliorlj495fnh9tgg8g3pcre8lf&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenaztlan&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenaztlan&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt;&gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt;&gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt;&gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt;&gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt;&gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt;&gt;just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt;&gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. Stupid for sure,
&gt;&gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt;&gt;aspect.
&gt;
&gt;The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt;personal gain.

That's the &quot;MF&quot; part. But the &quot;FY&quot; means that others have to lose.
For example, running a red light with no cross traffic = not MFFY.
Running a fresh red forcing those with the green to wait = MFFY.
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#34: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-13 05:07:15 by russotto

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:dj0ht3pvdirjjgef1mdk0jhohi47k8ljl0&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">dj0ht3pvdirjjgef1mdk0jhohi47k8ljl0&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenaztlan&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenaztlan&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:53:58 -0500, <a href="mailto:russotto&#64;grace.speakeasy.net" target="_blank">russotto&#64;grace.speakeasy.net</a>
&gt;(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:os5ss31fliorlj495fnh9tgg8g3pcre8lf&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">os5ss31fliorlj495fnh9tgg8g3pcre8lf&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt;Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenaztlan&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenaztlan&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanKMTB&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-stor..." target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-stor...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tryouts
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, breezed
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a highway
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seater
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -------------------------
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All he had
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;What's the problem? Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone, he
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;just had a better means at his disposal. If the fairway was frozen
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. Stupid for sure,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;aspect.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt;&gt;&gt;personal gain.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;That's the &quot;MF&quot; part. But the &quot;FY&quot; means that others have to lose.
&gt;
&gt;So you believe that if no actual harm was done, no matter what the
&gt;potential for such harm, then it's not MFFY?

IMO, you've got to at least have a clear and present danger of harm.
Mere potential isn't enough.

&gt;To my mind, MFFY is an attitude. It has to do with intent, not actual
&gt;results. An IBJAM who double-parks and manages to drive away before
&gt;any of the owners of the vehicles trapped behind him is still a MFFY.

In that case, unless he has some special reason to know that the
owners of the trapped vehicles aren't going to come out (and he's not
blocking the driving lane), I'd agree he's an MFFY.
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Posted on 2008-03-13 05:12:39 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:gICdnVJkDNPuNUXanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d&#64;speakeasy.net" target="_blank">gICdnVJkDNPuNUXanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d&#64;speakeasy.net</a>&gt;, Matthew T. Russotto wrote:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;personal gain.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;That's the &quot;MF&quot; part. But the &quot;FY&quot; means that others have to lose.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;So you believe that if no actual harm was done, no matter what the
&gt;&gt;potential for such harm, then it's not MFFY?

&gt;IMO, you've got to at least have a clear and present danger of harm.
&gt;Mere potential isn't enough.

Like I posted previously, I am very familiar with the area where he
landed. He harmed someone through traffic delays or dodging someone who
was watching the plane instead of driving or got stuck behind someone
who jammed on their brakes so these fools could cross the road....

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#36: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-13 06:22:34 by gpsman

On Mar 12, 9:27 pm, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; To my mind, MFFY is an attitude. It has to do with intent, not actual
&gt; results.

It's very generous of you to call that the product of a &quot;mind&quot;...
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#37: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-13 14:36:32 by unknown

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#38: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-13 16:34:17 by DanKMTB

On Mar 13, 9:36=A0am, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:07:15 -0500, <a href="mailto:russo...&#64;grace.speakeasy.net" target="_blank">russo...&#64;grace.speakeasy.net</a>
&gt;
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
&gt; &gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:dj0ht3pvdirjjgef1mdk0jhohi47k8l...&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">dj0ht3pvdirjjgef1mdk0jhohi47k8l...&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt;Scott in SoCal =A0&lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:53:58 -0500, <a href="mailto:russo...&#64;grace.speakeasy.net" target="_blank">russo...&#64;grace.speakeasy.net</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt;(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:os5ss31fliorlj495fnh9tgg8g3pcre...&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">os5ss31fliorlj495fnh9tgg8g3pcre...&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Scott in SoCal =A0&lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:18 -0800 (PST), &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Mar 4, 6:12=A0pm, <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVET...&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wro=
te:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-landing-sto=" target="_blank"> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-golf-course-lan ding-sto=</a>
r...
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What do you do when your son is late to a tennis tuneup and team tr=
youts
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; are two days away?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; A Lake Villa man hopped in his Piper Clipper airplane Saturday, bre=
ezed
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; above the congested roads and landed at a golf course across a high=
way
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; from the tennis club, where skis on the underside of his four-seate=
r
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; glided across the snow-covered fairway.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -------------------------
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Keep in mind he was just a few miles from a small airport.... All h=
e had
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to do was fly maybe 5 miles south, land and put his kid in a cab.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;What's the problem? =A0Doesn't sound like he was saying FY to anyone,=
he
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;just had a better means at his disposal. =A0If the fairway was frozen=

&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and snow covered it shouldn't have done any damage. =A0Stupid for sur=
e,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and liable to cost him his pilots license, but I don't see the MFFY
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;aspect.
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;personal gain.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;That's the &quot;MF&quot; part. =A0But the &quot;FY&quot; means that others have to lose.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;So you believe that if no actual harm was done, no matter what the
&gt; &gt;&gt;potential for such harm, then it's not MFFY?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;IMO, you've got to at least have a clear and present danger of harm.
&gt; &gt;Mere potential isn't enough.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;To my mind, MFFY is an attitude. It has to do with intent, not actual
&gt; &gt;&gt;results. An IBJAM who double-parks and manages to drive away before
&gt; &gt;&gt;any of the owners of the vehicles trapped behind him is still a MFFY.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;In that case, unless he has some special reason to know that the
&gt; &gt;owners of the trapped vehicles aren't going to come out (and he's not
&gt; &gt;blocking the driving lane), I'd agree he's an MFFY.
&gt;
&gt; Similarly, unless this pilot had some special reason to know that the
&gt; golf course was completely deserted, landing his plane on it was also
&gt; MFFY.
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&gt; &quot;Dave's not here, man!&quot;
&gt; =A0 - Tommy Chong- Hide quoted text -
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I'm guessing his pre-landing visual check and observations from the
time he checked it out to the time he was stopped on the ground was
his &quot;special reason to know the golf course was completely deserted&quot;.

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#39: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-13 17:44:14 by gpsman

On Mar 13, 11:34 am, &quot;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:DanK...&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">DanK...&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; On Mar 13, 9:36 am, Scott in SoCal &lt;<a href="mailto:scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">scottenazt...&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Similarly, unless this pilot had some special reason to know that the
&gt; &gt; golf course was completely deserted, landing his plane on it was also
&gt; &gt; MFFY.
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&gt;
&gt; I'm guessing his pre-landing visual check and observations from the
&gt; time he checked it out to the time he was stopped on the ground was
&gt; his &quot;special reason to know the golf course was completely deserted&quot;.

Well, that, and enough snow to land on skis...
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#40: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-14 01:50:28 by russotto

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:n42dnUEKztAqNEXanZ2dnUVZ_urinZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">n42dnUEKztAqNEXanZ2dnUVZ_urinZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;,
Brent P &lt;<a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:gICdnVJkDNPuNUXanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d&#64;speakeasy.net" target="_blank">gICdnVJkDNPuNUXanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d&#64;speakeasy.net</a>&gt;, Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The key tenet of MFFY is that it's OK to break the rules for your own
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;personal gain.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;That's the &quot;MF&quot; part. But the &quot;FY&quot; means that others have to lose.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;So you believe that if no actual harm was done, no matter what the
&gt;&gt;&gt;potential for such harm, then it's not MFFY?
&gt;
&gt;&gt;IMO, you've got to at least have a clear and present danger of harm.
&gt;&gt;Mere potential isn't enough.
&gt;
&gt;Like I posted previously, I am very familiar with the area where he
&gt;landed.

&gt;He harmed someone through traffic delays or dodging someone who
&gt;was watching the plane instead of driving or got stuck behind someone
&gt;who jammed on their brakes so these fools could cross the road....

Those watching the plane instead of driving are moral actors in
themselves; the guy in the plane is not responsible for their
actions.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

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#41: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-14 02:39:20 by unknown

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#42: Re: MFFY winner... from the air...

Posted on 2008-03-14 02:40:40 by Scott in Socal

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