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#1: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-14 19:22:13 by cuhulin

before? The tire shops get the wheels on there way too tight, and you
nearely bust a gut getting them off.I bought a ten foot long heavy pipe
at a scrap iron yard.I am going to get out one of my pipe cutters and
cut off about a four feet long lenght of that pipe.I will keep the four
feet long lenght piece of pipe in my 1978 Dodge van to use for a cheater
pipe to use on my 4 way lug wrench, when I need it.
cuhulin

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#2: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-14 19:59:37 by ratatouillerat

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:22:13 -0500, <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:

&gt;before? The tire shops get the wheels on there way too tight, and you
&gt;nearely bust a gut getting them off.I bought a ten foot long heavy pipe
&gt;at a scrap iron yard.I am going to get out one of my pipe cutters and
&gt;cut off about a four feet long lenght of that pipe.I will keep the four
&gt;feet long lenght piece of pipe in my 1978 Dodge van to use for a cheater
&gt;pipe to use on my 4 way lug wrench, when I need it.
&gt;cuhulin
&gt;


I have a two-foot piece of pipe, pounded a little flat on one end so
it nicely fits on my socket drivers.

I used it to prop up a trailer with a broken spring to get to a place
to replace it and it got a little bent. Turned out the bend was
exactly right to clear fenders!!

Custom tools are great!!

Pete

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#3: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-14 20:09:18 by E Meyer

On 3/14/08 1:22 PM, in article
<a href="mailto:24886-47DAC255-393&#64;storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">24886-47DAC255-393&#64;storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net</a>, &quot;<a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a>&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; before? The tire shops get the wheels on there way too tight, and you
&gt; nearely bust a gut getting them off.I bought a ten foot long heavy pipe
&gt; at a scrap iron yard.I am going to get out one of my pipe cutters and
&gt; cut off about a four feet long lenght of that pipe.I will keep the four
&gt; feet long lenght piece of pipe in my 1978 Dodge van to use for a cheater
&gt; pipe to use on my 4 way lug wrench, when I need it.
&gt; cuhulin
&gt;

Yep. Been there many times. Actually split the socket on the factory lug
wrench on one car trying to get a wheel off. I think it was at either a
Home Depot or a Payless Cashways about 25 years ago that I found galvanized
gas pipe precut in 4 foot lengths. I got two. One went to holding up the
mailbox. The other has been used on the end of a 1/2 inch breaker bar many
times on many bolts. Makes 100+ lb-ft torqued bolts child's play.

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#4: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-14 20:50:09 by cuhulin

As long as they work OK for you, you just beat home made Tools.
cuhulin

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#5: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-14 21:43:05 by Mike Romain

Ya it's the latest sucker play! They hammer the damn things on so tight
they warp the rotors so you have to come back for a brake job.

They are supposed to use a torque wrench on modern wheels and rotors.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: <a href="http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com" target="_blank">http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com</a>

<a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt; before? The tire shops get the wheels on there way too tight, and you
&gt; nearely bust a gut getting them off.I bought a ten foot long heavy pipe
&gt; at a scrap iron yard.I am going to get out one of my pipe cutters and
&gt; cut off about a four feet long lenght of that pipe.I will keep the four
&gt; feet long lenght piece of pipe in my 1978 Dodge van to use for a cheater
&gt; pipe to use on my 4 way lug wrench, when I need it.
&gt; cuhulin
&gt;

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#6: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 00:00:27 by cuhulin

They ought to be sued for getting them on there too tight.I wish I could
weld all of their lug nuts up.
cuhulin

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#7: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 13:07:55 by HLS

&quot;Mike Romain&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:romainm&#64;sympatico.ca" target="_blank">romainm&#64;sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Ya it's the latest sucker play! They hammer the damn things on so tight
&gt; they warp the rotors so you have to come back for a brake job.
&gt;
&gt; They are supposed to use a torque wrench on modern wheels and rotors.
&gt;
&gt; Mike

The few tire shops in this little town do exactly that. Lugs go on with an
impact
wrench, as tight as they can hammer them on. I have started removing the
wheels at my home garage, taking the tire to them for repair, and then
refitting
myself with a torque wrench.

And yes, they should be sued.

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#8: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 16:05:03 by Mike Romain

<a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt; They ought to be sued for getting them on there too tight.I wish I could
&gt; weld all of their lug nuts up.
&gt; cuhulin
&gt;

I agree, it is a blatant rip off.

As tire techs we were taught to use torque wrenches on tires way back in
the 70's when 'mag' and aluminum rims first came out.

The Jeep shops I have used use the air gun to seat them, then finish
with a torque wrench, anything else is negligence or a rip off attempt.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: <a href="http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com" target="_blank">http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com</a>

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#9: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 18:08:53 by cuhulin

How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
of there!
Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
cuhulin

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#10: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 19:34:32 by aarcuda69062

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:

&gt; How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt; tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
&gt; of there!
&gt; Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt; cuhulin

And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?

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#11: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 20:02:16 by Mike Romain

aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt;&gt; tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
&gt;&gt; of there!
&gt;&gt; Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt;&gt; cuhulin
&gt;
&gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?

A shop that doesn't do 'repairs' or 'installs' with future damage intended.

Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training and is
honest.

I know, an honest mechanic is almost a contradiction in terms, but they
'do' exist, really!

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: <a href="http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com" target="_blank">http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com</a>

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#12: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 21:31:14 by Nate Nagel

aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt;&gt;tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
&gt;&gt;of there!
&gt;&gt;Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt;&gt;cuhulin
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?

the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places
going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Very, very few places, in my experience, mount and balance tires
properly. My apologies to those of you who may be reading this who
actually do do it right.

nate

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#13: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 21:39:48 by tegger

Mike Romain &lt;<a href="mailto:romainm&#64;sympatico.ca" target="_blank">romainm&#64;sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt;
&gt; Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training



I think that one is the key. I am certain this is why so many people have
tire vibration problems. Most tire monkeys seem to be hacks: Mount it, slap
some weights on and out it goes. Persistent vibration? Must be a faulty
tire.

How many tire shops actually ensure their tire monkeys know to make sure a
tire spins true before balancing it? How many tire monkeys know to make
sure the beads are seated evenly all around? How many tire monkeys know the
meaning of those colored dots on the tires (and wheels)? How many garages
have ANYbody on staff who knows how to mount a tire properly? How many tire
shops use proper tire mounting lube instead of dish soap and water?

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#14: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 23:01:28 by tegger

BobJ &lt;<a href="mailto:jonroq&#64;excite.com" target="_blank">jonroq&#64;excite.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:waXCj.26019$<a href="mailto:XO4.24353&#64;newsfe19.lga" target="_blank">XO4.24353&#64;newsfe19.lga</a>:

&gt; Tegger wrote:
&gt;&gt; Mike Romain &lt;<a href="mailto:romainm&#64;sympatico.ca" target="_blank">romainm&#64;sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt; news:47dc1d2a$0$3987$<a href="mailto:9a6e19ea&#64;unlimited.newshosting.com" target="_blank">9a6e19ea&#64;unlimited.newshosting.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I think that one is the key. I am certain this is why so many people
&gt;&gt; have tire vibration problems. Most tire monkeys seem to be hacks:
&gt;&gt; Mount it, slap some weights on and out it goes. Persistent vibration?
&gt;&gt; Must be a faulty tire.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; How many tire shops actually ensure their tire monkeys know to make
&gt;&gt; sure a tire spins true before balancing it? How many tire monkeys
&gt;&gt; know to make sure the beads are seated evenly all around? How many
&gt;&gt; tire monkeys know the meaning of those colored dots on the tires (and
&gt;&gt; wheels)? How many garages have ANYbody on staff who knows how to
&gt;&gt; mount a tire properly? How many tire shops use proper tire mounting
&gt;&gt; lube instead of dish soap and water?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Tell me about the colored dots on the tires and rims...
&gt;



<a href="http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/TireWheel/Balancing.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/TireWheel/Balancing.htm</a>
Look about 1/4 way down that page.

Steel wheels often have dots as well (don't know about aluminum). My
mechanic tells me the wheel dots mean something too, but I can't remember
what it is. If he can locate the wheel dot on a used wheel, he uses that as
well as the tire dots when mounting.



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#15: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 23:07:05 by tegger

Nate Nagel &lt;<a href="mailto:njnagel&#64;roosters.net" target="_blank">njnagel&#64;roosters.net</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com</a>:

&gt; aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt;&gt;&gt;tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
&gt;&gt;&gt;of there!
&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt;&gt;&gt;cuhulin
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?
&gt;
&gt; the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places
&gt; going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me.
&gt;
&gt; Very, very few places, in my experience, mount and balance tires
&gt; properly. My apologies to those of you who may be reading this who
&gt; actually do do it right.
&gt;
&gt; nate
&gt;


There's only /one/ place I can go where the job gets done right, first
time, every time. This is the same place where the owner explained to me
all about tire dots, mounting lube, bead seating, trueness and other
arcana, showing me exactly how to mount a tire and exactly why the monkeys
get it wrong /all/ the time.

It's fairly simple once you know, but nobody knows. Or seems to care about
knowing.

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#16: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 23:22:59 by tegger

Tegger &lt;<a href="mailto:tegger&#64;tegger.c0m" target="_blank">tegger&#64;tegger.c0m</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:Xns9A62B6A056F13tegger&#64;207.14.116.130" target="_blank">Xns9A62B6A056F13tegger&#64;207.14.116.130</a>:


&gt;
&gt; Steel wheels often have dots as well (don't know about aluminum). My
&gt; mechanic tells me the wheel dots mean something too, but I can't
&gt; remember what it is.



Found the wheel dot thing:

&lt;<a href="http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:_UvatVa9kqcJ:forums.freshalloy.com/archive/index.php/t-166694.html+wheels+dots&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=6" target="_blank"> http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:_UvatVa9kqcJ:forums.fres halloy.com/archive/index.php/t-166694.html+wheels+dots&amp;h l=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=6</a>&gt;

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#17: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-15 23:25:59 by BobJ

Tegger wrote:
&gt; Mike Romain &lt;<a href="mailto:romainm&#64;sympatico.ca" target="_blank">romainm&#64;sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt; news:47dc1d2a$0$3987$<a href="mailto:9a6e19ea&#64;unlimited.newshosting.com" target="_blank">9a6e19ea&#64;unlimited.newshosting.com</a>:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I think that one is the key. I am certain this is why so many people have
&gt; tire vibration problems. Most tire monkeys seem to be hacks: Mount it, slap
&gt; some weights on and out it goes. Persistent vibration? Must be a faulty
&gt; tire.
&gt;
&gt; How many tire shops actually ensure their tire monkeys know to make sure a
&gt; tire spins true before balancing it? How many tire monkeys know to make
&gt; sure the beads are seated evenly all around? How many tire monkeys know the
&gt; meaning of those colored dots on the tires (and wheels)? How many garages
&gt; have ANYbody on staff who knows how to mount a tire properly? How many tire
&gt; shops use proper tire mounting lube instead of dish soap and water?
&gt;


Tell me about the colored dots on the tires and rims...

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#18: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-16 03:49:55 by aarcuda69062

In article &lt;47dc1d2a$0$3987$<a href="mailto:9a6e19ea&#64;unlimited.newshosting.com" target="_blank">9a6e19ea&#64;unlimited.newshosting.com</a>&gt;,
Mike Romain &lt;<a href="mailto:romainm&#64;sympatico.ca" target="_blank">romainm&#64;sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt; &gt;&gt; tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
&gt; &gt;&gt; of there!
&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt; &gt;&gt; cuhulin
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?
&gt;
&gt; A shop that doesn't do 'repairs' or 'installs' with future damage intended.

That shop doesn't exist anymore because he couldn't afford the
insurance premiums from all the lawsuits against other shops.

&gt; Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training and is
&gt; honest.

You can't train out lazy.

&gt; I know, an honest mechanic is almost a contradiction in terms,

Not really.

&gt; but they 'do' exist, really!

I like to think so.

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#19: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-16 03:54:31 by aarcuda69062

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com</a>&gt;,
Nate Nagel &lt;<a href="mailto:njnagel&#64;roosters.net" target="_blank">njnagel&#64;roosters.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt; &gt;&gt;tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
&gt; &gt;&gt;of there!
&gt; &gt;&gt;Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt; &gt;&gt;cuhulin
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?
&gt;
&gt; the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places
&gt; going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Does Tire rack exist solely on retail?
Will they be around once all of their wholesale customers go tits
up?

&gt; Very, very few places, in my experience, mount and balance tires
&gt; properly. My apologies to those of you who may be reading this who
&gt; actually do do it right.

I don't mount tires, I DO hand torque to spec any time I R &amp; R a
wheel for other service.
Mounting tires was something I did in high school for $1.65 an
hour.

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#20: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-16 04:12:47 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson-4EB56D.21543115032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson-4EB56D.21543115032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;, aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; Nate Nagel &lt;<a href="mailto:njnagel&#64;roosters.net" target="_blank">njnagel&#64;roosters.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt; the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places
&gt;&gt; going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me.
&gt;
&gt;Does Tire rack exist solely on retail?
&gt;Will they be around once all of their wholesale customers go tits
&gt;up?

Given tirerack's history at
<a href="http://www.tirerack.com/about/whytirerack.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.tirerack.com/about/whytirerack.jsp</a>

It seems that there business has always been selling tires to people
like Nate and myself (other than their expansion into other parts of
course).

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#21: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-16 05:28:10 by aarcuda69062

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:wrKdnXT-Es-yDUHanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">wrKdnXT-Es-yDUHanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:

&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson-4EB56D.21543115032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson-4EB56D.21543115032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt; &gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; Nate Nagel &lt;<a href="mailto:njnagel&#64;roosters.net" target="_blank">njnagel&#64;roosters.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places
&gt; &gt;&gt; going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Does Tire rack exist solely on retail?
&gt; &gt;Will they be around once all of their wholesale customers go tits
&gt; &gt;up?
&gt;
&gt; Given tirerack's history at
&gt; <a href="http://www.tirerack.com/about/whytirerack.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.tirerack.com/about/whytirerack.jsp</a>
&gt;
&gt; It seems that there business has always been selling tires to people
&gt; like Nate and myself (other than their expansion into other parts of
&gt; course).

<a href="http://www.tirerackwholesale.com/whlogin/Login.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.tirerackwholesale.com/whlogin/Login.jsp</a>

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#22: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-16 06:41:52 by tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson-3EDED5.23281015032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson-3EDED5.23281015032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;, aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:wrKdnXT-Es-yDUHanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">wrKdnXT-Es-yDUHanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS&#64;yahoo.com</a> (Brent P) wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson-4EB56D.21543115032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson-4EB56D.21543115032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt; aarcuda69062 wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com" target="_blank">frhbmj1175b&#64;news2.newsguy.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt; &gt; Nate Nagel &lt;<a href="mailto:njnagel&#64;roosters.net" target="_blank">njnagel&#64;roosters.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;Does Tire rack exist solely on retail?
&gt;&gt; &gt;Will they be around once all of their wholesale customers go tits
&gt;&gt; &gt;up?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Given tirerack's history at
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.tirerack.com/about/whytirerack.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.tirerack.com/about/whytirerack.jsp</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It seems that there business has always been selling tires to people
&gt;&gt; like Nate and myself (other than their expansion into other parts of
&gt;&gt; course).
&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://www.tirerackwholesale.com/whlogin/Login.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.tirerackwholesale.com/whlogin/Login.jsp</a>

Obviously an additional area they expanded into...

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#23: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-16 17:33:32 by cuhulin

www.devilfinder.com How to start your own Used Tires Business

I dont know.I think there is some good reading there.
cuhulin

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#24: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-17 01:01:29 by Dan_Thomas_nospam

On Mar 15, 5:07 am, &quot;HLS&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nos...&#64;nospam.nix" target="_blank">nos...&#64;nospam.nix</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; And yes, they should be sued.

I think some of them have been getting sued after those
overtightened and overstressed studs break and the wheel departs. The
shops I use have been using torque wrenches for five years or more.

Dan

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#25: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-17 01:08:20 by HLS

&quot;aarcuda69062&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:nonelson-3AFB8A.13343215032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net..." target="_blank">nonelson-3AFB8A.13343215032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt;&gt; tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
&gt;&gt; of there!
&gt;&gt; Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt;&gt; cuhulin
&gt;
&gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?

When the crooks are out of business, others will go into business.

It is not rocket science to mount a tire to a rim properly, to balance the
assembly,
and to bolt it to the hub and torque with a torque wrench.

If they cant handle that, they need to be out of business.

I still remember how to demount a tire using irons, and remount them
manually.
It isnt as easy as pushing a f***ing button, but I can still do it.

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#26: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-17 01:36:38 by aarcuda69062

In article &lt;UDiDj.20863$<a href="mailto:Ej5.6409&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net" target="_blank">Ej5.6409&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net</a>&gt;,
&quot;HLS&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nospam.nix" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nospam.nix</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &quot;aarcuda69062&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:nonelson-3AFB8A.13343215032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net..." target="_blank">nonelson-3AFB8A.13343215032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net...</a>
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt; &gt;&gt; tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off
&gt; &gt;&gt; of there!
&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt; &gt;&gt; cuhulin
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?
&gt;
&gt; When the crooks are out of business, others will go into business.

You all seem hell bent on turning the tire business into the
health care business.

Frankly, I don't really care because like I said earlier, I don't
bust tires, I haven't busted tires for over 35 years.
it's a base entry level job.

I DO think you should be careful what you ask for and also
consider who originally suggested it...

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#27: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-17 02:34:48 by cuhulin

The people around here whom work at the used tires places, they couldn't
care less than less.To them, as far as they are concerned, it is another
day, another dollar.
cuhulin

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#28: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-17 04:02:20 by aarcuda69062

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153-47DDCAB8-628&#64;storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">1153-47DDCAB8-628&#64;storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:

&gt; The people around here whom work at the used tires places, they couldn't
&gt; care less than less.To them, as far as they are concerned, it is another
&gt; day, another dollar.
&gt; cuhulin

You're buying the cheapest you can find, under those
circumstances what were you expecting?

Quit being a bottom feeder and watch those problems disappear.

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#29: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-17 17:40:58 by cuhulin

I bought a new set of tires not long ago for my 1978 Dodge van.No more
than I drive anywhere nowadays, about 240 something miles each year and
only on the slow poke back roads, and at my age, (sixty six) I probally
won't live long enough to wear those tires out, dry rot will probally do
them in first.
..
There is an old used tires place a few miles from doggys couch, the name
of that place used to be MAYPOP Used Tires.They changed the name of that
place.
cuhulin

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#30: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-17 22:28:25 by etreijs

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns9A62B793820C2tegger&#64;207.14.116.130" target="_blank">Xns9A62B793820C2tegger&#64;207.14.116.130</a>&gt;,
Tegger &lt;<a href="mailto:tegger&#64;tegger.c0m" target="_blank">tegger&#64;tegger.c0m</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;There's only /one/ place I can go where the job gets done right, first
&gt;time, every time. This is the same place where the owner explained to me
&gt;all about tire dots, mounting lube, bead seating, trueness and other
&gt;arcana, showing me exactly how to mount a tire and exactly why the monkeys
&gt;get it wrong /all/ the time.

Ah, I presume this place is in Toronto or area?

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#31: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-18 17:50:19 by HLS

&quot;aarcuda69062&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:nonelson-11D890.19363816032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net..." target="_blank">nonelson-11D890.19363816032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;UDiDj.20863$<a href="mailto:Ej5.6409&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net" target="_blank">Ej5.6409&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; &quot;HLS&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nospam.nix" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nospam.nix</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;aarcuda69062&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:nonelson-3AFB8A.13343215032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net..." target="_blank">nonelson-3AFB8A.13343215032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net...</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; off
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; of there!
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; cuhulin
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; When the crooks are out of business, others will go into business.
&gt;
&gt; You all seem hell bent on turning the tire business into the
&gt; health care business.
&gt;
&gt; Frankly, I don't really care because like I said earlier, I don't
&gt; bust tires, I haven't busted tires for over 35 years.
&gt; it's a base entry level job.
&gt;
&gt; I DO think you should be careful what you ask for and also
&gt; consider who originally suggested it...

I dont guess I fully understand your post, Aarcuda.

At this point, I dont have to do business with crooks and thieves,
particularly in the tire business.

I have had enough rotors warped because of ham fisted tire
changers, and have learned not to accept that sort of business
any more.

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#32: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-18 17:52:51 by HLS

&quot;aarcuda69062&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:nonelson-24E5B4.22022016032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net..." target="_blank">nonelson-24E5B4.22022016032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153-47DDCAB8-628&#64;storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">1153-47DDCAB8-628&#64;storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; The people around here whom work at the used tires places, they couldn't
&gt;&gt; care less than less.To them, as far as they are concerned, it is another
&gt;&gt; day, another dollar.
&gt;&gt; cuhulin
&gt;
&gt; You're buying the cheapest you can find, under those
&gt; circumstances what were you expecting?
&gt;
&gt; Quit being a bottom feeder and watch those problems disappear.

You are over generalizing, Aarcuda. I dont know what Cuhulin does,
but when I change tires, I get the best I can find. And I pay for them.

I expect premier service, and will not do business with those who are
thieves or cretins. And I WILL sue them under Texas Deceptive Trade
Practices legislation if I have to.

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#33: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-19 04:11:08 by aarcuda69062

In article &lt;fpSDj.23577$<a href="mailto:0w.90&#64;newssvr27.news.prodigy.net" target="_blank">0w.90&#64;newssvr27.news.prodigy.net</a>&gt;,
&quot;HLS&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nospam.nix" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nospam.nix</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &quot;aarcuda69062&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:nonelson-11D890.19363816032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net..." target="_blank">nonelson-11D890.19363816032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net...</a>
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;UDiDj.20863$<a href="mailto:Ej5.6409&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net" target="_blank">Ej5.6409&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; &quot;HLS&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nospam.nix" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nospam.nix</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;aarcuda69062&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:nonelson-3AFB8A.13343215032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net..." target="_blank">nonelson-3AFB8A.13343215032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net...</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">9647-47DC02A5-287&#64;storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; off
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; of there!
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; cuhulin
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; When the crooks are out of business, others will go into business.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; You all seem hell bent on turning the tire business into the
&gt; &gt; health care business.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Frankly, I don't really care because like I said earlier, I don't
&gt; &gt; bust tires, I haven't busted tires for over 35 years.
&gt; &gt; it's a base entry level job.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I DO think you should be careful what you ask for and also
&gt; &gt; consider who originally suggested it...
&gt;
&gt; I dont guess I fully understand your post, Aarcuda.

Duhulin thinks lawsuits are the answer.
As an ESO, I think that's full of shit.

&gt; At this point, I dont have to do business with crooks and thieves,
&gt; particularly in the tire business.

And I am glad that you don't.

&gt; I have had enough rotors warped because of ham fisted tire
&gt; changers, and have learned not to accept that sort of business
&gt; any more.

I have had enough belly aches because of fast food and have
learned not to eat at those sort of restaurants anymore.

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#34: Re: Ever been in that situation

Posted on 2008-03-19 04:16:21 by aarcuda69062

In article &lt;DrSDj.23579$<a href="mailto:0w.7692&#64;newssvr27.news.prodigy.net" target="_blank">0w.7692&#64;newssvr27.news.prodigy.net</a>&gt;,
&quot;HLS&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nospam.nix" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nospam.nix</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &quot;aarcuda69062&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">nonelson&#64;sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:nonelson-24E5B4.22022016032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net..." target="_blank">nonelson-24E5B4.22022016032008&#64;news.chi.sbcglobal.net...</a>
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153-47DDCAB8-628&#64;storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">1153-47DDCAB8-628&#64;storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:cuhulin&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">cuhulin&#64;webtv.net</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; The people around here whom work at the used tires places, they couldn't
&gt; &gt;&gt; care less than less.To them, as far as they are concerned, it is another
&gt; &gt;&gt; day, another dollar.
&gt; &gt;&gt; cuhulin
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; You're buying the cheapest you can find, under those
&gt; &gt; circumstances what were you expecting?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Quit being a bottom feeder and watch those problems disappear.
&gt;
&gt; You are over generalizing, Aarcuda. I dont know what Cuhulin does,
&gt; but when I change tires, I get the best I can find. And I pay for them.

Obviously he doesn't, and he doesn't understand the difference.

&gt; I expect premier service,

I'm guessing that that isn't at the used tire place.

&gt; and will not do business with those who are
&gt; thieves or cretins.

No one should.

&gt; And I WILL sue them under Texas Deceptive Trade
&gt; Practices legislation if I have to.

If you don't do business with them, why would you need to sue
them?

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