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#1: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 11:43:28 by Andy Bonwick

I'm tempted to get one for the 10R but I'm not convinced by some of
the claims I hear made about them.

I've already got a Scorpion race can and a K&N air filter and when it
was on the dyno previously I was told that a PC111 was needed to get
much more out of it.

What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?

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#2: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 11:54:39 by Hog

Andy Bonwick wrote:
> I'm tempted to get one for the 10R but I'm not convinced by some of
> the claims I hear made about them.
>
> I've already got a Scorpion race can and a K&N air filter and when it
> was on the dyno previously I was told that a PC111 was needed to get
> much more out of it.
>
> What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
> dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
> download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
> Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?

There are quite a few maps online but what's the point of fitting a PC
if you don't use it to get the best results. Expensive they are. Seems
unlikely that a specific bike with a mix of induction and exhaust mods
will be *just* right without a dyno setup. You could wait until your
rear tyre is due replacement anyway? There is a mobile wagon visits the
road races here.

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Hog
'96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

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#3: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:14:19 by Andy Bonwick

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:54:39 +0100, &quot;Hog&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:hogSPAM&#64;freenetCHIPS.co.uk" target="_blank">hogSPAM&#64;freenetCHIPS.co.uk</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Andy Bonwick wrote:
&gt;&gt; I'm tempted to get one for the 10R but I'm not convinced by some of
&gt;&gt; the claims I hear made about them.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I've already got a Scorpion race can and a K&amp;N air filter and when it
&gt;&gt; was on the dyno previously I was told that a PC111 was needed to get
&gt;&gt; much more out of it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;&gt; dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
&gt;&gt; download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
&gt;&gt; Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?
&gt;
&gt;There are quite a few maps online but what's the point of fitting a PC
&gt;if you don't use it to get the best results. Expensive they are. Seems
&gt;unlikely that a specific bike with a mix of induction and exhaust mods
&gt;will be *just* right without a dyno setup. You could wait until your
&gt;rear tyre is due replacement anyway? There is a mobile wagon visits the
&gt;road races here.

I know that I'll get the best results by running the bike on a dyno
but only if I'm constantly changing stuff around and comparing
results.

I don't see any point at all in putting the bike on a different dyno
from last time unless I get a preliminary run done and then have the
kit fitted by the dyno operator and I'm not going to pay some cunt to
do something I can do myself in under half an hour. The trouble then
is that I can be fooled into believing I've got a massive gain in
power when all I've got is someone running a 'corrected' dyno rather
than one that isn't such as where mine was tested previously.

If I buy one I'll probably just fit it, download a map and then wait
until next time I go over to the IoM then get it looked at again. I'd
like a bigger airbox before I go because having looked at the charts
for Fozzies bike that's where the biggest gain came from.

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#4: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:24:57 by Hog

Andy Bonwick wrote:
&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:54:39 +0100, &quot;Hog&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:hogSPAM&#64;freenetCHIPS.co.uk" target="_blank">hogSPAM&#64;freenetCHIPS.co.uk</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Andy Bonwick wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm tempted to get one for the 10R but I'm not convinced by some of
&gt;&gt;&gt; the claims I hear made about them.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I've already got a Scorpion race can and a K&amp;N air filter and when
&gt;&gt;&gt; it was on the dyno previously I was told that a PC111 was needed to
&gt;&gt;&gt; get much more out of it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;&gt;&gt; dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner
&gt;&gt;&gt; just download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be
&gt;&gt;&gt; right. Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; There are quite a few maps online but what's the point of fitting a
&gt;&gt; PC if you don't use it to get the best results. Expensive they are.
&gt;&gt; Seems unlikely that a specific bike with a mix of induction and
&gt;&gt; exhaust mods will be *just* right without a dyno setup. You could
&gt;&gt; wait until your rear tyre is due replacement anyway? There is a
&gt;&gt; mobile wagon visits the road races here.
&gt;
&gt; I know that I'll get the best results by running the bike on a dyno
&gt; but only if I'm constantly changing stuff around and comparing
&gt; results.
&gt;
&gt; I don't see any point at all in putting the bike on a different dyno
&gt; from last time unless I get a preliminary run done and then have the
&gt; kit fitted by the dyno operator and I'm not going to pay some cunt to
&gt; do something I can do myself in under half an hour. The trouble then
&gt; is that I can be fooled into believing I've got a massive gain in
&gt; power when all I've got is someone running a 'corrected' dyno rather
&gt; than one that isn't such as where mine was tested previously.
&gt;
&gt; If I buy one I'll probably just fit it, download a map and then wait
&gt; until next time I go over to the IoM then get it looked at again. I'd
&gt; like a bigger airbox before I go because having looked at the charts
&gt; for Fozzies bike that's where the biggest gain came from.

Sounds fair.
August?

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#5: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:31:20 by Andy Bonwick

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:24:57 +0100, &quot;Hog&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:hogSPAM&#64;freenetCHIPS.co.uk" target="_blank">hogSPAM&#64;freenetCHIPS.co.uk</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Andy Bonwick wrote:

snip&gt;

&gt;&gt; If I buy one I'll probably just fit it, download a map and then wait
&gt;&gt; until next time I go over to the IoM then get it looked at again. I'd
&gt;&gt; like a bigger airbox before I go because having looked at the charts
&gt;&gt; for Fozzies bike that's where the biggest gain came from.
&gt;
&gt;Sounds fair.
&gt;August?

TT next year. Remaining holidays put a stop to doing the Manx.

We did consider doing the Manx, then we looked at going over to Europe
for a week and finishing up at Assen for the WSB round but even with
the current situation I'd say we'll both use up our remaining holidays
at one or another of the Red Sea resorts.

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#6: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 13:51:39 by Neal Champion

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:43:28 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;I'm tempted to get one for the 10R but I'm not convinced by some of
&gt;the claims I hear made about them.
&gt;
&gt;I've already got a Scorpion race can and a K&amp;N air filter and when it
&gt;was on the dyno previously I was told that a PC111 was needed to get
&gt;much more out of it.
&gt;
&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
&gt;download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
&gt;Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?

Andy Bonwick
27 Fantasy Lane
La La Land
LL1 2YTC

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ZX10R
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#7: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 13:58:31 by Andy Bonwick

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:51:39 +0100, Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:43:28 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I'm tempted to get one for the 10R but I'm not convinced by some of
&gt;&gt;the claims I hear made about them.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I've already got a Scorpion race can and a K&amp;N air filter and when it
&gt;&gt;was on the dyno previously I was told that a PC111 was needed to get
&gt;&gt;much more out of it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;&gt;dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
&gt;&gt;download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
&gt;&gt;Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?
&gt;
&gt;Andy Bonwick
&gt;27 Fantasy Lane
&gt;La La Land
&gt;LL1 2YTC

Good constructive arguement against a PC111. I'll just do a couple of
decent track days instead.

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#8: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:47:05 by Paul Corfield

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:51:39 +0100, Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:43:28 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;&gt;dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
&gt;&gt;download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
&gt;&gt;Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?
&gt;
&gt;Andy Bonwick
&gt;27 Fantasy Lane
&gt;La La Land
&gt;LL1 2YTC

LOL!

I was tempted to post a moderately sarcastic comment about la la land
but thought better of it.
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VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
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#9: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 16:47:08 by Neal Champion

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:58:31 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:51:39 +0100, Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:43:28 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I'm tempted to get one for the 10R but I'm not convinced by some of
&gt;&gt;&gt;the claims I hear made about them.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I've already got a Scorpion race can and a K&amp;N air filter and when it
&gt;&gt;&gt;was on the dyno previously I was told that a PC111 was needed to get
&gt;&gt;&gt;much more out of it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;&gt;&gt;dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
&gt;&gt;&gt;download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Andy Bonwick
&gt;&gt;27 Fantasy Lane
&gt;&gt;La La Land
&gt;&gt;LL1 2YTC
&gt;
&gt;Good constructive arguement against a PC111. I'll just do a couple of
&gt;decent track days instead.

heh.

Seriously, I reckon there is absolutely no point in fitting a Power
Commander without having it set up right on the dyno. That shouldn't
be a problem - there's plenty of good tuners around. Make sure you're
there when they do the &quot;before&quot; and &quot;after&quot; runs, and you should be
fine.
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#10: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:21:19 by Daz

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:43:28 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
&gt;download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
&gt;Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?

I had one on the Blade to sort the poor fueling. It worked great
until it broke. A mate has one on his CBR600 race bike and that
packed up the other week. Personally I wouldn't bother with one
unless the fueling is particularly crap which I don't think it is on
the 10 or I fitted a FULL system.

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#11: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:22:09 by Daz

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:58:31 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;Good constructive arguement against a PC111. I'll just do a couple of
&gt;decent track days instead.

I'm doing Oulton Park on Friday 18th August if you fancy coming along.

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#12: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:31:09 by Andy Bonwick

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:22:09 +0100, Daz &lt;<a href="mailto:none&#64;here.com" target="_blank">none&#64;here.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:58:31 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Good constructive arguement against a PC111. I'll just do a couple of
&gt;&gt;decent track days instead.
&gt;
&gt;I'm doing Oulton Park on Friday 18th August if you fancy coming along.

How much and who's the organiser? I don't think I'll be able to get
the day off because we're a bit busy right now but it's worth
considering.

I like Oulton and I think I owe it to myself to do a trackday there.

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#13: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:34:27 by Andy Bonwick

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:21:19 +0100, Daz &lt;<a href="mailto:none&#64;here.com" target="_blank">none&#64;here.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:43:28 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;&gt;dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner just
&gt;&gt;download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be right.
&gt;&gt;Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?
&gt;
&gt;I had one on the Blade to sort the poor fueling. It worked great
&gt;until it broke. A mate has one on his CBR600 race bike and that
&gt;packed up the other week. Personally I wouldn't bother with one
&gt;unless the fueling is particularly crap which I don't think it is on
&gt;the 10 or I fitted a FULL system.

So not very reliable? I'll scrap that idea then.

It's not as if the bike's lacking in power, it's just that you can
never have too much of it.

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#14: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:38:56 by Daz

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:31:09 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;How much and who's the organiser? I don't think I'll be able to get
&gt;the day off because we're a bit busy right now but it's worth
&gt;considering.
&gt;
&gt;I like Oulton and I think I owe it to myself to do a trackday there.

£159 with Focused Events.

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#15: Re: Power Commander - worth having?

Posted on 2006-07-24 00:50:14 by Hog

Andy Bonwick wrote:
&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:21:19 +0100, Daz &lt;<a href="mailto:none&#64;here.com" target="_blank">none&#64;here.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:43:28 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; What I don't want to be doing is having to put the bike back on a
&gt;&gt;&gt; dyno again so the fuckers can mince another back tyre. I'd sooner
&gt;&gt;&gt; just download a map for the PC111 and know that it was going to be
&gt;&gt;&gt; right. Is this going to happen or am I living in La La land?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I had one on the Blade to sort the poor fueling. It worked great
&gt;&gt; until it broke. A mate has one on his CBR600 race bike and that
&gt;&gt; packed up the other week. Personally I wouldn't bother with one
&gt;&gt; unless the fueling is particularly crap which I don't think it is on
&gt;&gt; the 10 or I fitted a FULL system.
&gt;
&gt; So not very reliable? I'll scrap that idea then.
&gt;
&gt; It's not as if the bike's lacking in power, it's just that you can
&gt; never have too much of it.

Stoppit, you are making me consider buying the Gixxer back from Loz

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