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#1: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:23:24 by ben

I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:

- low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
- air con
- able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
hatch rather than a saloon
- diesel
- reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
- comfortable on motorways

I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
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#2: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:36:16 by nicknoxx

Ben wrote:
&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.

Don't get a Mk 3 Golf as it's really difficult to get a bike inside. I
leave a roofrack and bike carrier on mine most of the time.

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#3: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:43:11 by JB

&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt; --

Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.
www.autotrader.co.uk is your friend.
(Also www.honestjohn.co.uk)

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#4: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:47:00 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:43:11 +0100, &quot;JB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:JB&#64;nospam.net" target="_blank">JB&#64;nospam.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;
&gt;Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.

My bikes always go inside the car given their value. A Passat isn't a
bad idea but I can't see my missus going for it as they're bloody
ugly.

There also don't appear to be any more than 2 cars on Autotrader that
are less than 40k miles old and within my budget. That suggests it'd
be pretty hard to find a good one especially as I'm aiming around the
20k miles mark.
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#5: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:04:12 by wessie

Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52@
4ax.com:

&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.

Probably not but I spotted this as an alternative
<a href="http://www.clevedonmazda.co.uk/stock.php?pageNum=2&amp;totalRows=26" target="_blank"> http://www.clevedonmazda.co.uk/stock.php?pageNum=2&amp;total Rows=26</a>

Last one on the list: Octavia in a decent spec. Should be able to get a
diesel version for similar money in a private sale. Room for bikes now and
future-proof: plenty of room for babies later.

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#6: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:20:07 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:04:12 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52@
&gt;4ax.com:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;
&gt;Probably not but I spotted this as an alternative
&gt;<a href="http://www.clevedonmazda.co.uk/stock.php?pageNum=2&amp;totalRows=26" target="_blank"> http://www.clevedonmazda.co.uk/stock.php?pageNum=2&amp;total Rows=26</a>
&gt;
&gt;Last one on the list: Octavia in a decent spec. Should be able to get a
&gt;diesel version for similar money in a private sale. Room for bikes now and
&gt;future-proof: plenty of room for babies later.

Not a hatchback though. Saloons, boots and muddy mountain bikes don't
mix. A Fabia in a decent spec might be a possibility.
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#7: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:22:47 by Blue

&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;

Probably get a tidy Mondeo TDCi estate for that. If budget allows, the 6
speed 130 TDCi isn't actually that bad (it's still a diesel obviously so
;-) ), but the boot is cavernous.

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#8: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:26:21 by entwisi

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:23:24 +0100, Ben wrote:

&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.

I have a Volvo V70 estate (2.5 Low pressure Turbo) running LPG. I do ~30K
a year and mine currently has 160K on it and is still like new. Very
comfy(leather, air con, electric everything which all works),
returns 22/3 mpg on gas at 40p/litre so equivalent to &gt;50mpg for a near
200bhp practical, safe, comfy, motor. As far as long lasting, I can see no
reason why mine won't easily clear the 250K mark without any major work
(cambelt cost £100 and is every 50K). servicing is a piece of pee.

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#9: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:27:09 by ginge

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Ben says...
&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways

I hate to say it, but a mondeo.

7K should get you in a newish one, with all you ask and cruise control
too, plus they're well built these days.

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#10: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:27:15 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:22:47 +0100, &quot;DanTXD&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:me&#64;privacy.net" target="_blank">me&#64;privacy.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Probably get a tidy Mondeo TDCi estate for that. If budget allows, the 6
&gt;speed 130 TDCi isn't actually that bad (it's still a diesel obviously so
&gt;;-) ), but the boot is cavernous.

Good thought, a mate used to have one of those as a company car and we
easily got bikes and camping gear in it.

A dunno if I'll get one with a low enough mileage for my money, I'll
have a mooch around Autotrader.
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#11: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:30:48 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:27:15 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:22:47 +0100, &quot;DanTXD&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:me&#64;privacy.net" target="_blank">me&#64;privacy.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Probably get a tidy Mondeo TDCi estate for that. If budget allows, the 6
&gt;&gt;speed 130 TDCi isn't actually that bad (it's still a diesel obviously so
&gt;&gt;;-) ), but the boot is cavernous.
&gt;
&gt;Good thought, a mate used to have one of those as a company car and we
&gt;easily got bikes and camping gear in it.
&gt;
&gt;A dunno if I'll get one with a low enough mileage for my money, I'll
&gt;have a mooch around Autotrader.

Blimey, I'm wrong, there's a fair selection. That's definitely one
for the shortlist.
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#12: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:32:25 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:27:09 +0100, ginge
&lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:

&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Ben says...
&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt;I hate to say it, but a mondeo.

As Dan has just suggested.

&gt;7K should get you in a newish one, with all you ask and cruise control
&gt;too, plus they're well built these days.

Yeah, I was quite impressed with my mate's company car he had a couple
of years back. Apart from the very odd bite point on the clutch made
it easy to stall.

I'm too young to own a Mondeo though.
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#13: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:47:18 by Ace

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:47:00 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:43:11 +0100, &quot;JB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:JB&#64;nospam.net" target="_blank">JB&#64;nospam.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt;Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.
&gt;
&gt;My bikes always go inside the car given their value. A Passat isn't a
&gt;bad idea but I can't see my missus going for it as they're bloody
&gt;ugly.

But big, much bigger than a focus. Of course, if you want big, you
ought to look at Volvo estates. You should be able to get a pretty
decent 3-4 year old one for the money you're talkng about.

&gt;There also don't appear to be any more than 2 cars on Autotrader that
&gt;are less than 40k miles old and within my budget. That suggests it'd
&gt;be pretty hard to find a good one especially as I'm aiming around the
&gt;20k miles mark.

Ahh, well yes, you'll struggle to find 'em that new.
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#14: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:48:19 by Blue

&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:et4vb2h93dul8r2l9t4u47oq1048qmojjl&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">et4vb2h93dul8r2l9t4u47oq1048qmojjl&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:27:09 +0100, ginge
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Ben says...
&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I hate to say it, but a mondeo.
&gt;
&gt; As Dan has just suggested.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;7K should get you in a newish one, with all you ask and cruise control
&gt;&gt;too, plus they're well built these days.
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, I was quite impressed with my mate's company car he had a couple
&gt; of years back. Apart from the very odd bite point on the clutch made
&gt; it easy to stall.
&gt;
&gt; I'm too young to own a Mondeo though.
&gt; --

406 2.2 HDi Estate? 406s were without a doubt the most well made Pug ,
well, ever really. Also cavernous, handle well, the 2.2 HDi is a great
engine, and chips to 160bhp if that takes your fancy...

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#15: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:54:22 by Dr Zoidberg

Ben wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:04:12 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt; news:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52@ 4ax.com:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines
&gt;&gt;&gt; of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3
&gt;&gt;&gt; years
&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old
&gt;&gt;&gt; Focus
&gt;&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Probably not but I spotted this as an alternative
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.clevedonmazda.co.uk/stock.php?pageNum=2&amp;totalRows=26" target="_blank"> http://www.clevedonmazda.co.uk/stock.php?pageNum=2&amp;total Rows=26</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Last one on the list: Octavia in a decent spec. Should be able to
&gt;&gt; get a diesel version for similar money in a private sale. Room for
&gt;&gt; bikes now and future-proof: plenty of room for babies later.
&gt;
&gt; Not a hatchback though. Saloons, boots and muddy mountain bikes don't
&gt; mix. A Fabia in a decent spec might be a possibility.

Octavias are hatchbacks (or estates)
They never did a saloon and the boot is huge.

The 110bhp TDI has a decent turn of speed and is nice and economical as well

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#16: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:54:36 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:48:19 +0100, &quot;DanTXD&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:me&#64;privacy.net" target="_blank">me&#64;privacy.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:et4vb2h93dul8r2l9t4u47oq1048qmojjl&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">et4vb2h93dul8r2l9t4u47oq1048qmojjl&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:27:09 +0100, ginge
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Ben says...
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I hate to say it, but a mondeo.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; As Dan has just suggested.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;7K should get you in a newish one, with all you ask and cruise control
&gt;&gt;&gt;too, plus they're well built these days.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Yeah, I was quite impressed with my mate's company car he had a couple
&gt;&gt; of years back. Apart from the very odd bite point on the clutch made
&gt;&gt; it easy to stall.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm too young to own a Mondeo though.
&gt;
&gt;406 2.2 HDi Estate? 406s were without a doubt the most well made Pug ,
&gt;well, ever really. Also cavernous, handle well, the 2.2 HDi is a great
&gt;engine, and chips to 160bhp if that takes your fancy...

The point behind the diesel is to cut down on running costs because my
company mileage rate is pretty poor. I imagine running a 2.2 litre
car, even a diesel, might not be the most cost effective.

This was why I was originally looking at the 1.8 diesel types.
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#17: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:56:36 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:47:18 +0200, Ace &lt;<a href="mailto:seesig&#64;virgin.net" target="_blank">seesig&#64;virgin.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:47:00 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:43:11 +0100, &quot;JB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:JB&#64;nospam.net" target="_blank">JB&#64;nospam.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;My bikes always go inside the car given their value. A Passat isn't a
&gt;&gt;bad idea but I can't see my missus going for it as they're bloody
&gt;&gt;ugly.
&gt;
&gt;But big, much bigger than a focus. Of course, if you want big, you
&gt;ought to look at Volvo estates. You should be able to get a pretty
&gt;decent 3-4 year old one for the money you're talkng about.

I want a reasonable size. I'm happy to take wheels off bikes and will
usual be carrying 2 plus camping gear. This all goes in my tiny 1.3
Civic at the moment, but I'd like a little more space. It' doesn't
need to be Volvo huge hence my looking at a mid-sized hatchback in the
first place. In the mid hatch range I get a newer car that's cheaper
to run as well which is important when your company only pays 25p a
mile.
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#18: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 16:57:43 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:54:22 +0100, &quot;Dr Zoidberg&quot;
&lt;AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk&gt; wrote:

&gt;Octavias are hatchbacks (or estates)
&gt;They never did a saloon and the boot is huge.

You still appear to lose a fair bit of space as they've done a
hatchback that looks like a saloon. Still, I'd have to have a proper
poke around one to decide.
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#19: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 17:00:11 by Daz

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:23:24 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.

They're not great for long distance comfort and the boot is dreadful.
OK there's room for a bike with the seats down but for big mileages
you'd be far better off with a Mondeo as Ginge has suggested (or
Vectra).

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#20: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 17:15:14 by Dr Zoidberg

Ben wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:54:22 +0100, &quot;Dr Zoidberg&quot;
&gt; &lt;AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Octavias are hatchbacks (or estates)
&gt;&gt; They never did a saloon and the boot is huge.
&gt;
&gt; You still appear to lose a fair bit of space as they've done a
&gt; hatchback that looks like a saloon. Still, I'd have to have a proper
&gt; poke around one to decide.

Nope , the &quot;boot lid&quot; is quite high up so you get a decent depth at the back
of the boot and plenty of space further forward.
With the rear seats folded forwards you'll fit bikes in with no problems.
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#21: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 18:12:08 by ginge

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:v66vb2lke9tv5v0ui078q6sv5otm3rfjb6&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">v66vb2lke9tv5v0ui078q6sv5otm3rfjb6&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Ben says...
takes your fancy...
&gt;
&gt; The point behind the diesel is to cut down on running costs because my
&gt; company mileage rate is pretty poor. I imagine running a 2.2 litre
&gt; car, even a diesel, might not be the most cost effective.
&gt;
&gt; This was why I was originally looking at the 1.8 diesel types.

Over 2.0 litres diesel puts you on a higher per mile rate, if your
company uses the approved inland revenue figures.

Something like 11p/mile vs 8p for fuel only costs..

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#22: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 18:18:39 by ginge

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:dc6vb29eq1e0l0thre49k5kpinf0vlo1vt&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">dc6vb29eq1e0l0thre49k5kpinf0vlo1vt&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Daz says...
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:23:24 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; &gt;1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;
&gt; They're not great for long distance comfort and the boot is dreadful.
&gt; OK there's room for a bike with the seats down but for big mileages
&gt; you'd be far better off with a Mondeo as Ginge has suggested (or
&gt; Vectra).

Disagree, the vectra is horrible and doesn't handle at all well.

Mondeo, or... Mazda 6. make better choices.

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#23: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 19:00:16 by hopefuldave_doesn't_eat_spiced_meat

&quot;Ben&quot; wrote...
&gt; I want a reasonable size. I'm happy to take wheels off bikes and will
&gt; usual be carrying 2 plus camping gear. This all goes in my tiny 1.3
&gt; Civic at the moment, but I'd like a little more space. It' doesn't
&gt; need to be Volvo huge hence my looking at a mid-sized hatchback in the
&gt; first place. In the mid hatch range I get a newer car that's cheaper
&gt; to run as well which is important when your company only pays 25p a
&gt; mile.
&gt; --
Re the 25p a mile, you can claim tax relief on the other 15p a mile for your
first 10,000 miles.

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#24: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 19:03:00 by Daz

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:18:39 +0100, ginge
&lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;Mondeo, or... Mazda 6. make better choices.

Whatever. A car is a car is a car.

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#25: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 19:11:05 by the.best.names.are.gone

Daz wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:18:39 +0100, ginge
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Mondeo, or... Mazda 6. make better choices.
&gt;
&gt; Whatever. A car is a car is a car.
&gt;
Depends how long your arse is sat in it. 2 hours driving a Vectra is
about the most I can cope with.

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#26: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 19:23:59 by Black Mike

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:26:21 +0100, entwisi
&lt;<a href="mailto:entwisi&#64;the-entwistles.co.uk" target="_blank">entwisi&#64;the-entwistles.co.uk</a>&gt; thrashed out:

&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:23:24 +0100, Ben wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;
&gt;I have a Volvo V70 estate (2.5 Low pressure Turbo) running LPG. I do ~30K
&gt;a year and mine currently has 160K on it and is still like new. Very
&gt;comfy(leather, air con, electric everything which all works),
&gt;returns 22/3 mpg on gas at 40p/litre so equivalent to &gt;50mpg for a near
&gt;200bhp practical, safe, comfy, motor. As far as long lasting, I can see no
&gt;reason why mine won't easily clear the 250K mark without any major work
&gt;(cambelt cost £100 and is every 50K). servicing is a piece of pee.

For comfort, you can't beat them.

I have a V70 T5, all leather / electric everything etc. Being petrol,
not as economical, but as the man says, *loads* of space!

and fast.

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#27: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 19:36:36 by Jeremi

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:dpdvb2du91uvl8lkgs34c9ouik0kb3pjff&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">dpdvb2du91uvl8lkgs34c9ouik0kb3pjff&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Daz says...
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:18:39 +0100, ginge
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Mondeo, or... Mazda 6. make better choices.
&gt;
&gt; Whatever. A car is a car is a car.
&gt;
&gt;

I thought we were helping *you* to choose a car only a couple of months
ago? Did you go for the Vectra in the end?


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#28: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 19:57:29 by Steve

Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;Probably get a tidy Mondeo TDCi estate for that. If budget allows, the 6
&gt; &gt;speed 130 TDCi isn't actually that bad (it's still a diesel obviously so
&gt; &gt;;-) ), but the boot is cavernous.
&gt;
&gt; Good thought, a mate used to have one of those as a company car and we
&gt; easily got bikes and camping gear in it.
&gt;
&gt; A dunno if I'll get one with a low enough mileage for my money, I'll
&gt; have a mooch around Autotrader.

What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
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#29: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:00:36 by Steve

Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;7K should get you in a newish one, with all you ask and cruise control
&gt; &gt;too, plus they're well built these days.
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, I was quite impressed with my mate's company car he had a couple
&gt; of years back. Apart from the very odd bite point on the clutch made
&gt; it easy to stall.

Had one last week in Jersey. There's absolutely no feel in the throttle
or clutch pedals, meaning you either rev the nuts off it or stall it
every time you pull away from a junction. The chassis also can't handle
the torque of the 130bhp TDCI lump, so if you do give it a boot full of
throttle whilst pulling away it all goes a bit mad with torque steer
whilst squeeling the front tyres.

As a car, they're OK-ish, but although they look quite nice on the
inside, the plastics are dirt cheap and don't look like they'll last too
long.
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#30: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:25:24 by Beav

&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.

Vectra or Mondeo then innit? Not the most exciting cars, but the Mondeo will
swallow a small African nation and run forever. The Vectra's not as roomy,
but they're comfortable, quite and don't mind racking up the miles.


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#31: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:27:08 by Beav

&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:43:11 +0100, &quot;JB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:JB&#64;nospam.net" target="_blank">JB&#64;nospam.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.
&gt;
&gt; My bikes always go inside the car given their value. A Passat isn't a
&gt; bad idea but I can't see my missus going for it as they're bloody
&gt; ugly.

But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't include
&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get any
bikes in an MX5.


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#32: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:42:21 by dwb

SteveH wrote:

&gt; What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt; 105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt; on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt; pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.

And there you go again with the (your?) assertion that cars with (IMO)
mega miles on them are like new.

You seem to be the only person who (admits to) think this - anyone else
want to raise their hand while we're here?

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#33: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 21:51:16 by ginge

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153424541.384025.224550&#64;i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153424541.384025.224550&#64;i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, dwb
says...
&gt; SteveH wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt; &gt; 105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt; &gt; on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt; &gt; pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
&gt;
&gt; And there you go again with the (your?) assertion that cars with (IMO)
&gt; mega miles on them are like new.
&gt;
&gt; You seem to be the only person who (admits to) think this - anyone else
&gt; want to raise their hand while we're here?

I reckon a car with 50K on could feel just like a car with 150K on, as
they'd both be past their prime if the first 50K was a hard 50K.

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#34: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:07:08 by Daz

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:36:36 +0100, Jeremy &lt;<a href="mailto:jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;I thought we were helping *you* to choose a car only a couple of months
&gt;ago? Did you go for the Vectra in the end?

BMW.

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#35: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:12:44 by Jeremi

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:cdovb2lonv3t9675oisor8rjeo25ffsj9f&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">cdovb2lonv3t9675oisor8rjeo25ffsj9f&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Daz says...
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:36:36 +0100, Jeremy &lt;<a href="mailto:jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;I thought we were helping *you* to choose a car only a couple of months
&gt; &gt;ago? Did you go for the Vectra in the end?
&gt;
&gt; BMW.
&gt;
&gt;
What influenced your choice - IIRC it was similar price but 3 or so
years old?

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#36: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:18:49 by Daz

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:12:44 +0100, Jeremy &lt;<a href="mailto:jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;What influenced your choice - IIRC it was similar price but 3 or so
&gt;years old?

Comfortable, drives well, I really like the interior layout and it
looks a lot better than a Vectra.

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#37: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:19:04 by Steve

dwb &lt;<a href="mailto:parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk" target="_blank">parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; SteveH wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt; &gt; 105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt; &gt; on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt; &gt; pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
&gt;
&gt; And there you go again with the (your?) assertion that cars with (IMO)
&gt; mega miles on them are like new.
&gt;
&gt; You seem to be the only person who (admits to) think this - anyone else
&gt; want to raise their hand while we're here?

I've got a car here at the moment with 5k miles on it, it's only 2
months old.

Apart from smelling like a plastic factory, it doesn't feel any better
than a properly looked after 100k mile plus car.

OK, so the paint is nice and new with no scratches (well, apart from the
stonechip I've just noticed on the bonnet), but the interior is already
looking 'lived in'.

You pay your money and make your own choice, but to rule out a car
that's done a few miles is to overlook some of the best bargains out
there due to the general opinion in this country that 100k miles on a
car means it's only fit for scrap.
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#38: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:27:53 by Beav

&quot;Beav&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; &quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;
&gt; Vectra or Mondeo then innit? Not the most exciting cars, but the Mondeo
&gt; will swallow a small African nation and run forever. The Vectra's not as
&gt; roomy, but they're comfortable, quite and don't mind racking up the miles.

Not to menton quiet.



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Posted on 2006-07-20 22:28:15 by Jeremi

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:q5pvb252htrjsk2a36paibpgqggd7av4bf&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">q5pvb252htrjsk2a36paibpgqggd7av4bf&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Daz says...
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:12:44 +0100, Jeremy &lt;<a href="mailto:jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;What influenced your choice - IIRC it was similar price but 3 or so
&gt; &gt;years old?
&gt;
&gt; Comfortable, drives well, I really like the interior layout and it
&gt; looks a lot better than a Vectra.
&gt;
&gt;

I an understand that perfectly - though it doesn't really tie in with
your earlier contribution of &quot;A car is a car is a car.&quot;

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#41: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:30:55 by Daz

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:28:15 +0100, Jeremy &lt;<a href="mailto:jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;I an understand that perfectly - though it doesn't really tie in with
&gt;your earlier contribution of &quot;A car is a car is a car.&quot;

It would if you'd seen the new BMW advert recently.

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#42: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 23:07:40 by platypus

Ben wrote:
&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.

Fuglipla, unquestionably.

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#43: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 23:09:07 by Rope

Ben spoke:
&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.

Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new for
around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k

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#44: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-20 23:36:02 by Blue

&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:v66vb2lke9tv5v0ui078q6sv5otm3rfjb6&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">v66vb2lke9tv5v0ui078q6sv5otm3rfjb6&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:48:19 +0100, &quot;DanTXD&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:me&#64;privacy.net" target="_blank">me&#64;privacy.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:et4vb2h93dul8r2l9t4u47oq1048qmojjl&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">et4vb2h93dul8r2l9t4u47oq1048qmojjl&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:27:09 +0100, ginge
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Ben says...
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I hate to say it, but a mondeo.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; As Dan has just suggested.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;7K should get you in a newish one, with all you ask and cruise control
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;too, plus they're well built these days.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Yeah, I was quite impressed with my mate's company car he had a couple
&gt;&gt;&gt; of years back. Apart from the very odd bite point on the clutch made
&gt;&gt;&gt; it easy to stall.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm too young to own a Mondeo though.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;406 2.2 HDi Estate? 406s were without a doubt the most well made Pug ,
&gt;&gt;well, ever really. Also cavernous, handle well, the 2.2 HDi is a great
&gt;&gt;engine, and chips to 160bhp if that takes your fancy...
&gt;
&gt; The point behind the diesel is to cut down on running costs because my
&gt; company mileage rate is pretty poor. I imagine running a 2.2 litre
&gt; car, even a diesel, might not be the most cost effective.
&gt;
&gt; This was why I was originally looking at the 1.8 diesel types.

Ah, they do a 1.9 HDi as well, but make sure you get the intercooled 110bhp
version, not the 90bhp version, as it's more efficient, and more economical.

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#45: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 01:28:29 by Simon Gates

Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;
&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt; - air con
&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; - diesel
&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.

I don't know much about cars, but a Honda Jazz has at least as much room
inside as a Focus, and is the same size outside as a Fiesta, is dead
comfy, fast enough for a car, and cost 7K for a 3 year / 12k miles old
example.

Dunno if they do a diesel, but A's 1.4 petrol does 50mpg.

Obviously I haven't driven it, but it was _blatantly_ a nicer car then
the focus's she test drove in the same price range.

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#46: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:57:39 by Timo Geusch

Rope wrote:

&gt; Ben spoke:
&gt; &gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines
&gt; &gt; of:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3
&gt; &gt; years - air con
&gt; &gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt; &gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt; &gt; - diesel
&gt; &gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt; &gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old
&gt; &gt; Focus 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;
&gt; Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new
&gt; for around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k

There's a reason for that, and it isn't that they're cheap
made-in-China knock-offs.

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#47: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 08:25:50 by chateau.murraySPAMKILL

&lt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &quot;dwb&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk" target="_blank">parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:1153424541.384025.224550&#64;i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153424541.384025.224550&#64;i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;SteveH wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt; &gt;&gt; 105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt; &gt;&gt; on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt; &gt;&gt; pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;And there you go again with the (your?) assertion that cars with (IMO)
&gt; &gt;mega miles on them are like new.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;You seem to be the only person who (admits to) think this - anyone else
&gt; &gt;want to raise their hand while we're here?
&gt;
&gt; If the car's carefully chosen and the use is long distances *plus* the
&gt; suspension 'bits' are looked after with maintenance kept on top of, then
&gt; yes. Well, partially, it'll be scarred with stone chips and the drivers
&gt; seat might be fucked up.

I'd go with that. Add one or two interestin g wear patterns to the
carpets on the driver's side and a shiny steering wheel.

My old Saab 9000 was sold with about 120-130k on it and the interior
rattled less than any number of Vauxhalls and (especially) French cars
I've had.


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#48: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 08:25:50 by chateau.murraySPAMKILL

Simon Gates &lt;<a href="mailto:Simon&#64;invalid.semi-evolved.org" target="_blank">Simon&#64;invalid.semi-evolved.org</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; a Honda Jazz

Woman at work, a music freak, has one of these, in gleaming black. It
looks good. She calls it Satchmo, which made me smile the first time I
heard it.


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#49: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 08:55:23 by Jeremi

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:3vpvb21gbl9etdu5ps9h6fdkgodvu73nhq&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">3vpvb21gbl9etdu5ps9h6fdkgodvu73nhq&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Daz says...
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:28:15 +0100, Jeremy &lt;<a href="mailto:jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">jeremy0505&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;I an understand that perfectly - though it doesn't really tie in with
&gt; &gt;your earlier contribution of &quot;A car is a car is a car.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; It would if you'd seen the new BMW advert recently.
&gt;
&gt;
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#50: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 08:59:26 by platypus

The Older Gentleman wrote:
&gt; Simon Gates &lt;<a href="mailto:Simon&#64;invalid.semi-evolved.org" target="_blank">Simon&#64;invalid.semi-evolved.org</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; a Honda Jazz
&gt;
&gt; Woman at work, a music freak, has one of these, in gleaming black. It
&gt; looks good. She calls it Satchmo, which made me smile the first time I
&gt; heard it.

Most ones I see around here seem to be in light metallic colours and driven
by pensioners.

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#51: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 09:24:16 by Ace

On 20 Jul 2006 12:42:21 -0700, &quot;dwb&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk" target="_blank">parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;SteveH wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt;&gt; 105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt;&gt; on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt;&gt; pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
&gt;
&gt;And there you go again with the (your?) assertion that cars with (IMO)
&gt;mega miles on them are like new.
&gt;
&gt;You seem to be the only person who (admits to) think this - anyone else
&gt;want to raise their hand while we're here?

My Volvo's pretty much like new, yes. Now I've had the scratches and
battered bits painted over. Just coming up to 7 yrs/100k miles. The
only clues to its age are things like well-worn steering wheel and
pedals. It still drives better than a brand new new-shape XC70.

Not sure a Skoda, however good they are now, would last quite so well.
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#52: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 10:14:39 by entwisi

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:21 -0700, dwb wrote:

&gt; SteveH wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt;&gt; 105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt;&gt; on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt;&gt; pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
&gt;
&gt; And there you go again with the (your?) assertion that cars with (IMO)
&gt; mega miles on them are like new.
&gt;
&gt; You seem to be the only person who (admits to) think this - anyone else
&gt; want to raise their hand while we're here?

&lt;fx:waves&gt;

I sold my Saab 9000 with 170K on it, running sweet as a nut, interior was
very tidy with no rattles

I'm at 160K in my V70 and that is like new inside, no saggy drivers seat
or anything. You have to remember we are talking a £30K cars new. They
should last better than a £15K plastic piece.

I've always tried to buy older but better quality cars as they tend to
handle the mileage/abuse I put on them far better for less e2e running
costs. I'd kill a ford/vauxhall/citreon/renault in less than 4 years and
wouldn't be as comfy in the process.



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Posted on 2006-07-21 10:26:38 by Lozzo

entwisi says...

&gt; I'm at 160K in my V70 and that is like new inside, no saggy drivers seat
&gt; or anything. You have to remember we are talking a =A330K cars new. They
&gt; should last better than a =A315K plastic piece.
=20
I'm about to go to work in my 120K mile 3 year old non-turbo Mk4 Golf=20
SDi, the cheapest and lowest spec model in the diesel range. It's in=20
superb condition despite not being looked after at all. The interior is=20
rattle free and still scrubs up better than most 30K mile Fords or=20
Vauxhalls. The paint finish is nothing short of excellent, with hardly a=20
stone chip on it, and this car gets hammered up and down motorways or=20
parked up in London for a large part of its working life. I've just had=20
a full 30K service done which cost 450 quid, but that included a full=20
set of discs and pads[1].

In the 2 years I've been driving it, it has been 100% reliable and apart=20
from normal service items and a mirror it has never needed anything=20
replacing or repairing.

Ben, you should give Golfs a look, and don't worry yourself if they have=20
what you consider to be high mileage, all 10 of the ones we have at work=20
have been 100% reliable with similar mileage to mine. Added bonus is=20
they are relatively cheap to buy.

[1] Something this car alwys needs every 30K mile service. That's the=20
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#54: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:08:20 by Preston II

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:26:38 +0100, Lozzo said ...

&gt; I'm about to go to work in my 120K mile 3 year old non-turbo Mk4 Golf
&gt; SDi, the cheapest and lowest spec model in the diesel range. It's in
&gt; superb condition despite not being looked after at all. The interior is
&gt; rattle free and still scrubs up better than most 30K mile Fords or
&gt; Vauxhalls. The paint finish is nothing short of excellent, with hardly a
&gt; stone chip on it, and this car gets hammered up and down motorways or
&gt; parked up in London for a large part of its working life. I've just had
&gt; a full 30K service done which cost 450 quid, but that included a full
&gt; set of discs and pads[1].
&gt;
&gt; In the 2 years I've been driving it, it has been 100% reliable and apart
&gt; from normal service items and a mirror it has never needed anything
&gt; replacing or repairing.
&gt;
&gt; Ben, you should give Golfs a look, and don't worry yourself if they have
&gt; what you consider to be high mileage, all 10 of the ones we have at work
&gt; have been 100% reliable with similar mileage to mine. Added bonus is
&gt; they are relatively cheap to buy.

I'm a fan of high mileage cars, but I have to say I can't agree with the
advice being given here; if Ben has the money to buy a decent, low
mileage model, then he should. It /may/ be that a high mileage example
will be fine, but it's also true it's a bit of a gamble, best done with
small sums of money.

There's also a huge difference between buying a car new or nearly new
and taking it through 100,000 miles, and buying one that's already got
100,000 miles on it. Buying a 100,000 mile car doesn't have to be a
lottery, but it's generally more like Blackjack; being good at spotting
things lowers the odds against losing, but doesn't mean you *can't*
lose.

Ben: cars to think of in that price range: VWs, as Lozzo said, although
I'm not as impressed with their build quality as once I was, Skoda
Octavia (these days better IMHO than VW across the range, build-wise,
despite being the same company), Volvo, as Ace said (still very well
made, although I'd be inclined to buy from a dealer with warranty as
they can be pricey when they do go pop) and yes, by all means check out
a Mondeo; fan though I am of the Focus, the estate version isn't blessed
with huge amounts of space.

I'm not up on BMW 3-series Touring prices, but if a decent one pops up
then I'd be inclined to have a look, and you'd enjoy driving it more
than any of the above. Be aware though that the servicing costs can be
high, unless you find a decent, non-franchise dealer near you.
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#55: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:09:21 by Preston II

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:57:39 +0100, Timo Geusch said ...
&gt; Rope wrote:

&gt; &gt; Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new
&gt; &gt; for around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k
&gt;
&gt; There's a reason for that, and it isn't that they're cheap
&gt; made-in-China knock-offs.

Piece. Of. Shit.

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#56: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:24:30 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:12:08 +0100, ginge
&lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:

&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:v66vb2lke9tv5v0ui078q6sv5otm3rfjb6&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">v66vb2lke9tv5v0ui078q6sv5otm3rfjb6&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Ben says...
&gt;takes your fancy...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The point behind the diesel is to cut down on running costs because my
&gt;&gt; company mileage rate is pretty poor. I imagine running a 2.2 litre
&gt;&gt; car, even a diesel, might not be the most cost effective.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This was why I was originally looking at the 1.8 diesel types.
&gt;
&gt;Over 2.0 litres diesel puts you on a higher per mile rate, if your
&gt;company uses the approved inland revenue figures.

Sadly not. We're 25p per mile irrespective of what you're driving.

Which was good for me with a 1.3 Civic but not quite so good for a
colleague with a Porsche 911 Carrera 4S.
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#57: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:25:47 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:00:11 +0100, Daz &lt;<a href="mailto:none&#64;here.com" target="_blank">none&#64;here.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:23:24 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt;1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;
&gt;They're not great for long distance comfort and the boot is dreadful.
&gt;OK there's room for a bike with the seats down but for big mileages
&gt;you'd be far better off with a Mondeo as Ginge has suggested (or
&gt;Vectra).

Must admit, I'm thinking of just buying something silly and not using
it for long distance commutes. The company will pay for any method of
transport so I don't really have to use the car.
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#58: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:29:56 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:18:39 +0100, ginge
&lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:

&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:dc6vb29eq1e0l0thre49k5kpinf0vlo1vt&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">dc6vb29eq1e0l0thre49k5kpinf0vlo1vt&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Daz says...
&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:23:24 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt; &gt;1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; They're not great for long distance comfort and the boot is dreadful.
&gt;&gt; OK there's room for a bike with the seats down but for big mileages
&gt;&gt; you'd be far better off with a Mondeo as Ginge has suggested (or
&gt;&gt; Vectra).
&gt;
&gt;Disagree, the vectra is horrible and doesn't handle at all well.

yeah, I had a Vectra as a company car at the previous job and I
wouldn't touch one with my own money ever.

&gt;Mondeo, or... Mazda 6. make better choices.

The Mazda 3 looks quite nice as well.
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#59: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:29:57 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:09:07 +0100, Rope &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;ukrm.net" target="_blank">spam&#64;ukrm.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Ben spoke:
&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;
&gt;Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new for
&gt;around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k

I did think of the MG ZTT. But I've very wary about buying something

a) Made in Longbridge [1]
b) That isn't having bits made for it any more and has no dealer
network.



[1] I know people who worked there. I wouldn't trust them to make a
bacon buttie, let alone a car.
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#60: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:29:58 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:28:29 -0000, Simon Gates
&lt;<a href="mailto:Simon&#64;invalid.semi-evolved.org" target="_blank">Simon&#64;invalid.semi-evolved.org</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;
&gt;I don't know much about cars, but a Honda Jazz has at least as much room
&gt;inside as a Focus, and is the same size outside as a Fiesta, is dead
&gt;comfy, fast enough for a car, and cost 7K for a 3 year / 12k miles old
&gt;example.

Its proper chic-wheels though. And the previous shape Civics look
horrid, and I can't afford a new shape Civic. If I could then I'd be
having one of them.
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#61: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:29:59 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:00:16 GMT, &quot;Dave H.&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:hopefuldave_doesn't_eat_spiced_meat&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">hopefuldave_doesn't_eat_spiced_meat&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; wrote...
&gt;&gt; I want a reasonable size. I'm happy to take wheels off bikes and will
&gt;&gt; usual be carrying 2 plus camping gear. This all goes in my tiny 1.3
&gt;&gt; Civic at the moment, but I'd like a little more space. It' doesn't
&gt;&gt; need to be Volvo huge hence my looking at a mid-sized hatchback in the
&gt;&gt; first place. In the mid hatch range I get a newer car that's cheaper
&gt;&gt; to run as well which is important when your company only pays 25p a
&gt;&gt; mile.
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;Re the 25p a mile, you can claim tax relief on the other 15p a mile for your
&gt;first 10,000 miles.

I know, and I do.
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#62: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:30:53 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:27:08 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:e72vb2515lh8sh97n0cu9oklpr4tgeimeq&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">e72vb2515lh8sh97n0cu9oklpr4tgeimeq&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:43:11 +0100, &quot;JB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:JB&#64;nospam.net" target="_blank">JB&#64;nospam.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; My bikes always go inside the car given their value. A Passat isn't a
&gt;&gt; bad idea but I can't see my missus going for it as they're bloody
&gt;&gt; ugly.
&gt;
&gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't include
&gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get any
&gt;bikes in an MX5.

heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
budget is going.
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#63: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:31:26 by ben

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:57:29 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
wrote:

&gt;Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;Probably get a tidy Mondeo TDCi estate for that. If budget allows, the 6
&gt;&gt; &gt;speed 130 TDCi isn't actually that bad (it's still a diesel obviously so
&gt;&gt; &gt;;-) ), but the boot is cavernous.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Good thought, a mate used to have one of those as a company car and we
&gt;&gt; easily got bikes and camping gear in it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; A dunno if I'll get one with a low enough mileage for my money, I'll
&gt;&gt; have a mooch around Autotrader.
&gt;
&gt;What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt;105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt;on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt;pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.

This arguement has been had already.

Suffice to say, I don't share your view.
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#64: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:47:32 by nicknoxx

Ben wrote:

&gt; Must admit, I'm thinking of just buying something silly and not using
&gt; it for long distance commutes.

Now you're talking:-

<a href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=120010184517" target="_blank"> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=120 010184517</a>

btw, my advice to not buy a golf on the grounds you can't get a bike in
it changes when I read you're prepared to remove both wheels.


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#65: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:54:34 by Preston Kemp

Nicknoxx wrote:

&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Must admit, I'm thinking of just buying something silly and not
&gt; &gt; using it for long distance commutes.
&gt;
&gt; Now you're talking:-
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=120010184517" target="_blank"> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=120 010184517</a>

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It'll smell of wee.


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#66: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 12:05:17 by ben

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:47:32 +0100, Nicknoxx
&lt;<a href="mailto:nick_remove_&#64;sauce_andhere_fx.com" target="_blank">nick_remove_&#64;sauce_andhere_fx.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Ben wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Must admit, I'm thinking of just buying something silly and not using
&gt;&gt; it for long distance commutes.
&gt;
&gt;Now you're talking:-
&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=120010184517" target="_blank"> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=120 010184517</a>
&gt;
&gt;btw, my advice to not buy a golf on the grounds you can't get a bike in
&gt;it changes when I read you're prepared to remove both wheels.

heh, nice idea.

I'm think more like a Jeep Cherokee that I mentioned a little while
back.
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#67: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 12:07:18 by nicknoxx

Krusty wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=120010184517" target="_blank"> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=120 010184517</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;OWNED ORIGIONALLY BY POURTSMOUTH BOUROUGH CITY COUNCIL USED TO
&gt; TRANSPORT O.A.P'S.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; It'll smell of wee.
&gt;
&gt;
I wouldn't buy this particular van because it doesn't have the original
camper interior, but one which does, like mine, is way better than a VW
camper because they have room for a fridge, hot water heater and cooker
(all gas powered), a shower and loo AND you can stand up inside. Also
they are much cheaper than similar condition VWs but spares, especially
body parts, are becoming rare.

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#68: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 12:13:23 by Ace

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:08:20 +0100, Bear &lt;<a href="mailto:bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;There's also a huge difference between buying a car new or nearly new
&gt;and taking it through 100,000 miles, and buying one that's already got
&gt;100,000 miles on it.

That's also a very good point. That's two so far today. We've had our
Volvo since 6months/20k, so I _know_ it's not been well looked after
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#69: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 12:25:38 by Neal Champion

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:31:26 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:57:29 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;Probably get a tidy Mondeo TDCi estate for that. If budget allows, the 6
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;speed 130 TDCi isn't actually that bad (it's still a diesel obviously so
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;;-) ), but the boot is cavernous.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Good thought, a mate used to have one of those as a company car and we
&gt;&gt;&gt; easily got bikes and camping gear in it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; A dunno if I'll get one with a low enough mileage for my money, I'll
&gt;&gt;&gt; have a mooch around Autotrader.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt;&gt;105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt;&gt;on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt;&gt;pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
&gt;
&gt;This arguement has been had already.
&gt;
&gt;Suffice to say, I don't share your view.

Neither do I. Sure, modern cars wear their mileage very well, and, if
you're the driver, you probably don't think they've aged much, cos you
sit it in every day. But, get in a new/nearly new car, and I think
the differences are obvious.
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#70: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 12:28:50 by Preston II

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:25:38 +0100, Champ said ...
&gt; On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:31:26 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;This arguement has been had already.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Suffice to say, I don't share your view.
&gt;
&gt; Neither do I. Sure, modern cars wear their mileage very well, and, if
&gt; you're the driver, you probably don't think they've aged much, cos you
&gt; sit it in every day. But, get in a new/nearly new car, and I think
&gt; the differences are obvious.

.... is the correct answer.

&quot;Wearing well&quot; or &quot;great for the mileage&quot; is NOT the same as &quot;as fresh
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#71: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:33:37 by Beav

&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:27:08 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:e72vb2515lh8sh97n0cu9oklpr4tgeimeq&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">e72vb2515lh8sh97n0cu9oklpr4tgeimeq&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:43:11 +0100, &quot;JB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:JB&#64;nospam.net" target="_blank">JB&#64;nospam.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3 years
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old Focus
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; My bikes always go inside the car given their value. A Passat isn't a
&gt;&gt;&gt; bad idea but I can't see my missus going for it as they're bloody
&gt;&gt;&gt; ugly.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't include
&gt;&gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get any
&gt;&gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt;
&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt; budget is going.

She's not just turned 17 and passed her test has she?


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#72: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:19:59 by Hog

Ben wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:43:11 +0100, &quot;JB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:JB&#64;nospam.net" target="_blank">JB&#64;nospam.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">hl0vb2djfmn3fo3v1nfo0b1knfiefdmo52&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got about 7 grand and need a second hand car along the lines
&gt;&gt;&gt; of:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; - low mileage because it's got to do 35k a year for the next 3
&gt;&gt;&gt; years
&gt;&gt;&gt; - air con
&gt;&gt;&gt; - able to get a fair bit in the boot (specifically psuhbikes), so a
&gt;&gt;&gt; hatch rather than a saloon
&gt;&gt;&gt; - diesel
&gt;&gt;&gt; - reasonably nippy but doesn't need to be fast
&gt;&gt;&gt; - comfortable on motorways
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old
&gt;&gt;&gt; Focus
&gt;&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.
&gt;
&gt; My bikes always go inside the car given their value. A Passat isn't a
&gt; bad idea but I can't see my missus going for it as they're bloody
&gt; ugly.

You think a Focus looks better than a Passat?

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#73: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:24:18 by Timo Geusch

Bear wrote:

&gt; On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:57:39 +0100, Timo Geusch said ...
&gt; &gt; Rope wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand
&gt; &gt; &gt; new for around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local
&gt; &gt; &gt; garage for 5k
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; There's a reason for that, and it isn't that they're cheap
&gt; &gt; made-in-China knock-offs.
&gt;
&gt; Piece. Of. Shit.
&gt;
&gt; Avoid.

Well, I tried to be a bit more subtle than that, but pretty much - yes.

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#74: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:49:11 by Pete Fisher

JB wrote:
&gt; Passat TDi estate. No sodding about with roofbars/racks etc then.

Why pay for a VW badge.
Skoda Octavia TDi Estate. The new 2.0 PD140 will not be in ytour price
range but you could get a nice 1.9 and take it to the Derv Doctor or
Jabbasport.
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Posted on 2006-07-22 00:56:12 by Simon Gates

platypus &lt;<a href="mailto:monotreme&#64;blueyonder.co.uk" target="_blank">monotreme&#64;blueyonder.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; The Older Gentleman wrote:
&gt;&gt; Simon Gates &lt;<a href="mailto:Simon&#64;invalid.semi-evolved.org" target="_blank">Simon&#64;invalid.semi-evolved.org</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; a Honda Jazz
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Woman at work, a music freak, has one of these, in gleaming black. It
&gt;&gt; looks good. She calls it Satchmo, which made me smile the first time I
&gt;&gt; heard it.
&gt;
&gt; Most ones I see around here seem to be in light metallic colours and driven
&gt; by pensioners.
&gt;

Around here that's true of all cars, except big 4x4 type things, and
shitty rust heaps of indeterminate make.

I saw a Jazz in cream last week, but also one in lime green...

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#76: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 09:25:16 by Dan L

Lozzo wrote:
&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Ben, you should give Golfs a look, and don't worry yourself if they
&gt; have what you consider to be high mileage, all 10 of the ones we have
&gt; at work have been 100% reliable with similar mileage to mine. Added
&gt; bonus is they are relatively cheap to buy.
&gt;
&gt; [1] Something this car alwys needs every 30K mile service. That's the
&gt; only niggle I have with it.

I agree with Lozzo

My last car was a 1999 2.0GTI Petrol Golf, and was not bad at all, my main
gripe was it's thirst for oil (which was aparently &quot;normal&quot;)

My main reason for buying a Golf was it's residual.

I sold it at 6 years old, with nearly 90K on the clock for £5.5k, which was
quite good I thought.

Despite being badly neglected, and mostly used as a van, it scrubbed up and
polished up like new when I sold it.

Having just this week chucked my job in, I may decide to forego the co-car
route next time, in which case a Golf would be fairly near the top of my
list, although prolly the 150BHP Tdi MK4.

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Space in shed where NSR125 used to be
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Posted on 2006-07-22 09:27:35 by Dan L

Ben wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:18:39 +0100, ginge
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a> &gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:dc6vb29eq1e0l0thre49k5kpinf0vlo1vt&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">dc6vb29eq1e0l0thre49k5kpinf0vlo1vt&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;, Daz says...
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:23:24 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm thinking I wouldn't be going too far wrong with a 2 year old
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Focus
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1.8 diesel but I'm after other ideas.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; They're not great for long distance comfort and the boot is
&gt;&gt;&gt; dreadful. OK there's room for a bike with the seats down but for
&gt;&gt;&gt; big mileages you'd be far better off with a Mondeo as Ginge has
&gt;&gt;&gt; suggested (or Vectra).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Disagree, the vectra is horrible and doesn't handle at all well.
&gt;
&gt; yeah, I had a Vectra as a company car at the previous job and I
&gt; wouldn't touch one with my own money ever.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Mondeo, or... Mazda 6. make better choices.
&gt;
&gt; The Mazda 3 looks quite nice as well.

We got one of those for SWMBO last year, 1.6 Auto.
Very nice car, good quality feel to it.

Not too pricey either, £11k for a '55 plater with bugger all mileage


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Space in shed where NSR125 used to be
Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X (Patio Ornament)
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#79: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 10:44:36 by Preston Kemp

<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:

&gt; &quot;Dan L&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; We got one of those for SWMBO last year, 1.6 Auto.
&gt; &gt; Very nice car, good quality feel to it.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Not too pricey either, £11k for a '55 plater with bugger all mileage
&gt;
&gt; How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt; beyond me.

Me too - anyone knows a decent car costs way more than that. Fucking
pikies.

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Posted on 2006-07-22 10:47:38 by Andy Bonwick

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:39:38 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:

&gt; &quot;Dan L&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;We got one of those for SWMBO last year, 1.6 Auto.
&gt;&gt;Very nice car, good quality feel to it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Not too pricey either, £11k for a '55 plater with bugger all mileage
&gt;
&gt;How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt;beyond me.

The same could be said about buying a litre class sports bike and
hardly ever riding it. I don't even try to justify it to myself
because I probably couldn't.

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Posted on 2006-07-22 10:47:46 by Dan L

<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt; &quot;Dan L&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; We got one of those for SWMBO last year, 1.6 Auto.
&gt;&gt; Very nice car, good quality feel to it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Not too pricey either, £11k for a '55 plater with bugger all mileage
&gt;
&gt; How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt; beyond me.

You probably have a very good point there actually, but she chose it, and is
paying for it.

Once my current company car goes back I'll be relegated to using the car we
acquired for my daughter, a V Plate Hyundai Accent that cost absolutely
bugger all.

I guess she bought a fairly expensive car on the basis that we ought to own
at least 1 reasonably new and reliable vehicle.

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My bike 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr
Space in shed where NSR125 used to be
Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X (Patio Ornament)
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Posted on 2006-07-22 11:10:17 by Neal Champion

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:39:38 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:

&gt; &quot;Dan L&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;We got one of those for SWMBO last year, 1.6 Auto.
&gt;&gt;Very nice car, good quality feel to it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Not too pricey either, £11k for a '55 plater with bugger all mileage
&gt;
&gt;How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt;beyond me.

I spent 18k on a car. The justification was a piece of piss - &quot;I want
one of those&quot;.

I know of someone who has spent 25k *preparing* his Matchless G50 for
the classic Manx GP.

Some people spend thousands of pounds following their football team.

My parents spent over 10k on a caravan. Madness, in my view, but it's
their life and their money.

In short - what's your point? Do you have a better idea what other
people should spend their money on than they do?
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Posted on 2006-07-22 11:15:07 by Dan L

Champ wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:39:38 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Dan L&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt;:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; We got one of those for SWMBO last year, 1.6 Auto.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Very nice car, good quality feel to it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Not too pricey either, £11k for a '55 plater with bugger all mileage
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is
&gt;&gt; absolutely beyond me.
&gt;
&gt; I spent 18k on a car. The justification was a piece of piss - &quot;I want
&gt; one of those&quot;.
&gt;
&gt; I know of someone who has spent 25k *preparing* his Matchless G50 for
&gt; the classic Manx GP.
&gt;
&gt; Some people spend thousands of pounds following their football team.
&gt;
&gt; My parents spent over 10k on a caravan. Madness, in my view, but it's
&gt; their life and their money.
&gt;
&gt; In short - what's your point? Do you have a better idea what other
&gt; people should spend their money on than they do?

I think that pretty well sums up my wife's thinking when choosing the Mazda.
Also, the Mondeo we'd put a deposit on the day before wouldn't fit in the
garage, and she absolutely *has* to keep her car in the garage.

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Posted on 2006-07-22 11:31:26 by Neal Champion

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:22:06 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:

&gt; Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:1gq3c2t8js9efhj1ucesae4vnk7u5vqjk3&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">1gq3c2t8js9efhj1ucesae4vnk7u5vqjk3&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:39:38 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt;&gt;&gt;beyond me.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I spent 18k on a car. The justification was a piece of piss - &quot;I want
&gt;&gt;one of those&quot;.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I know of someone who has spent 25k *preparing* his Matchless G50 for
&gt;&gt;the classic Manx GP.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Some people spend thousands of pounds following their football team.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;My parents spent over 10k on a caravan. Madness, in my view, but it's
&gt;&gt;their life and their money.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;In short - what's your point? Do you have a better idea what other
&gt;&gt;people should spend their money on than they do?
&gt;
&gt;My, you seem spikey this morning.

I do, don't I. Maybe the heat is getting to me.

&gt;If you felt I was criticising the actions of others then I've
&gt;communicated poorly. I don't have a view on how others 'should' spend
&gt;their money 'cos it's none of my business. I was reflecting on my
&gt;attitude towards this, not theirs; merely observing that I didn't
&gt;understand the motivation. Then again, I doubt others understand my
&gt;motivations.

Well, pretty much every car thread (and there's lots of them here) you
trot out the line that you don't understand how people justify
spending proper money on cars. This, despite the evidence of your
eyes most days on the M4, that loads and loads of people can and do
justify it. So I guess I'm bored with this particular exchange - be
more entertaining, dammit!
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Posted on 2006-07-22 12:06:43 by vulgarandmischevious

<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt; How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt; beyond me.

Is 11k USD more palatable?

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Posted on 2006-07-22 12:12:17 by vulgarandmischevious

<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:

&gt; Anyway, when I crack and take a decent car it'll be something completely
&gt; obscene. I keep salivating when I look at the x5, it's a nice, obese,
&gt; fuck-you and your environment car.

I like them. In fact, I wonder how much they are in the States..

&lt;fx: fires up cars.com&gt;

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Posted on 2006-07-22 12:48:36 by Neal Champion

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:45:41 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:

&gt;&gt;I do, don't I. Maybe the heat is getting to me.
&gt;
&gt;But... but.. but... I thought you liked it hot.

I do, I do. I can't explain it.

&gt;Anyway, when I crack and take a decent car it'll be something completely
&gt;obscene. I keep salivating when I look at the x5, it's a nice, obese,
&gt;fuck-you and your environment car.

heh. You're just saying that cos you know I hate X5s more than any
other car on the road, aren't you?

&gt;Then again, I suspect I'll continue
&gt;to prevaricate about it and run around in my old (but reliable) Beemer
&gt;and have the smug feeling that your depreciation in a month is less than
&gt;mine in a year.

Sure. Mine's prolly going down a good 3k this year. Enjoy!
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Posted on 2006-07-22 14:31:10 by steve auvache

wrote
&gt; Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:ptr3c2haa2ld22iiqf0oofa94oh0l2ltoc&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">ptr3c2haa2ld22iiqf0oofa94oh0l2ltoc&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:22:06 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:1gq3c2t8js9efhj1ucesae4vnk7u5vqjk3&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">1gq3c2t8js9efhj1ucesae4vnk7u5vqjk3&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I do, don't I. Maybe the heat is getting to me.
&gt;
&gt;But... but.. but... I thought you liked it hot.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;If you felt I was criticising the actions of others then I've
&gt;&gt;&gt;communicated poorly. I don't have a view on how others 'should' spend
&gt;&gt;&gt;their money 'cos it's none of my business. I was reflecting on my
&gt;&gt;&gt;attitude towards this, not theirs; merely observing that I didn't
&gt;&gt;&gt;understand the motivation. Then again, I doubt others understand my
&gt;&gt;&gt;motivations.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Well, pretty much every car thread (and there's lots of them here) you
&gt;&gt;trot out the line that you don't understand how people justify
&gt;&gt;spending proper money on cars.
&gt;
&gt;Actually, I normally don't post a lot in the car threads, but when I do,
&gt;yes you're right that I'd say something like that.

If it is any help I agree with you.


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Posted on 2006-07-22 14:46:36 by wessie

<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote in news:hb54c21dspqeq0jh9ph7lri3t39i90si12@
4ax.com:

&gt; Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:eg04c21ps0eqag331199mtjalmcq03pvpa&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">eg04c21ps0eqag331199mtjalmcq03pvpa&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:45:41 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;Then again, I suspect I'll continue
&gt;&gt;&gt;to prevaricate about it and run around in my old (but reliable) Beemer
&gt;&gt;&gt;and have the smug feeling that your depreciation in a month is less than
&gt;&gt;&gt;mine in a year.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Sure. Mine's prolly going down a good 3k this year. Enjoy!
&gt;
&gt; Cool. That's more than it cost to buy mine and get it completely
&gt; straight. Thanks.
&gt;

You can make a BMW completely straight? I don't believe you.

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Posted on 2006-07-22 15:41:35 by MattG

wessie wrote:

&gt; <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote in
&gt; news:hb54c21dspqeq0jh9ph7lri3t39i90si12@ 4ax.com:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:eg04c21ps0eqag331199mtjalmcq03pvpa&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">eg04c21ps0eqag331199mtjalmcq03pvpa&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:45:41 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Then again, I suspect I'll continue
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; to prevaricate about it and run around in my old (but reliable)
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Beemer and have the smug feeling that your depreciation in a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; month is less than mine in a year.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sure. Mine's prolly going down a good 3k this year. Enjoy!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Cool. That's more than it cost to buy mine and get it completely
&gt; &gt; straight. Thanks.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; You can make a BMW completely straight? I don't believe you.

Quite. It's always going to be at least Bi-curious

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Posted on 2006-07-22 16:29:00 by wessie

<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote in news:7qc4c2lcajms3u7tpudaq1f8jrmus2v9cl@
4ax.com:

&gt; wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns98088CC7CECCwtymmmsas&#64;62.253.170.163" target="_blank">Xns98088CC7CECCwtymmmsas&#64;62.253.170.163</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote in news:hb54c21dspqeq0jh9ph7lri3t39i90si12@
&gt;&gt;4ax.com:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Cool. That's more than it cost to buy mine and get it completely
&gt;&gt;&gt; straight. Thanks.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;You can make a BMW completely straight? I don't believe you.
&gt;
&gt; Straight is a relative term.
&gt;

So you have made it relatively straight rather than completely straight?

As Matt implies, gayness is inherent within BMWs. You can mask[1] it but
never remove it.

[1] SOldness being one of the more common techniques

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#99: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 16:52:21 by Andy Bonwick

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:41:20 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:

snip&gt;

&gt;Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.

Think of any Japanese 'sportscar' and you'll understand.

Editing this post to read Japanese sportsbike will be considered a
rather poor effort.

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#100: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 16:52:37 by Beav

&quot;dwb&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk" target="_blank">parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; SteveH wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt;&gt; 105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt;&gt; on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt;&gt; pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
&gt;
&gt; And there you go again with the (your?) assertion that cars with (IMO)
&gt; mega miles on them are like new.
&gt;
&gt; You seem to be the only person who (admits to) think this - anyone else
&gt; want to raise their hand while we're here?

Yep. High mileage doesn't necessarily mean &quot;game over&quot; these days. Granted
back in the 60's and 70's, it was more likely, but with better oils, more
frequent servicing and better roads, most reasonable &quot;family&quot; cars will
happily see 150,000 miles and not feel wobbly or shagged out.

I bought a 1990 Cavalier 8 years ago to use as a carrying wagon for work
related shite. 150 quid I gave for at, with 75,000 miles on the clock (and
who knows if they were genuine, coz I certainly don't) I ran it well past
150,000 with just one oil change and one cam belt change ad it still drove
well enough to sell on when I &quot;upgraded&quot; to a Honda Civic with a mere
113,000 miles on it.

That should be good for at least 3 years of every day shite carrying.


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#101: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 16:56:29 by steve auvache

Beav wrote
&gt;
&gt;&quot;dwb&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk" target="_blank">parc_erom&#64;crossdata.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; SteveH wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; What's the big issue with mileage? - you're only going to be putting
&gt;&gt;&gt; 105k miles on it in the next few years, so even something with 50k miles
&gt;&gt;&gt; on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
&gt;&gt;&gt; pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And there you go again with the (your?) assertion that cars with (IMO)
&gt;&gt; mega miles on them are like new.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; You seem to be the only person who (admits to) think this - anyone else
&gt;&gt; want to raise their hand while we're here?
&gt;
&gt;Yep. High mileage doesn't necessarily mean &quot;game over&quot; these days. Granted
&gt;back in the 60's and 70's, it was more likely, but with better oils, more
&gt;frequent servicing and better roads, most reasonable &quot;family&quot; cars will
&gt;happily see 150,000 miles and not feel wobbly or shagged out.

Spot on. It is the cars from back then that would need a clutch every
25k, a gearbox and suspension rebuild at 50 and 100k on an engine was
reason to have an article in a magazine. Things have move on
considerably and are still moving.

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#102: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:26:51 by wessie

Andy Bonwick &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:41:20 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt; snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.
&gt;
&gt; Think of any beige bike and you'll understand.
&gt;
&gt; Editing this post to read Japanese sportsbike will be considered a
&gt; rather poor effort.
&gt;

:P

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#103: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:36:01 by wessie

<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote in news:m4e4c21osfpc625rsbbd8s2lk3mo1jsnue@
4ax.com:

&gt; wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns98089D4FD98ADwtymmmsas&#64;80.5.182.99" target="_blank">Xns98089D4FD98ADwtymmmsas&#64;80.5.182.99</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;As Matt implies, gayness is inherent within BMWs. You can mask[1] it but
&gt;&gt;never remove it.
&gt;
&gt; Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.

through 2nd level meaning or connotation in Saussurian semiotics

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#104: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:45:56 by Beav

&quot;Dan L&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:4ie6vgF3d6asU1&#64;individual.net..." target="_blank">4ie6vgF3d6asU1&#64;individual.net...</a>
&gt; <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;Dan L&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt;:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; We got one of those for SWMBO last year, 1.6 Auto.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Very nice car, good quality feel to it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Not too pricey either, £11k for a '55 plater with bugger all mileage
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt;&gt; beyond me.
&gt;
&gt; You probably have a very good point there actually, but she chose it, and
&gt; is
&gt; paying for it.
&gt;
&gt; Once my current company car goes back I'll be relegated to using the car
&gt; we
&gt; acquired for my daughter, a V Plate Hyundai Accent that cost absolutely
&gt; bugger all.
&gt;
&gt; I guess she bought a fairly expensive car on the basis that we ought to
&gt; own
&gt; at least 1 reasonably new and reliable vehicle.

I used to buy new cars every two or three years (depending on how
much/little I liked them) then I needed a mobile shed for carting crap
around, picking up materials for the bodyshop etc, and it opened my eyes to
cars. I wouldn't buy another new one now.

Yeah, a new one is nice, but that &quot;niceness&quot; only lasts for a week or two,
then it's just &quot;the car&quot; and before you know it, it's getting filled with
all kinds of stuff that doesn't belong in new cars.

I actually like knowing that the total cost of my last car was less than a
single monthly payment on my neighbours X5. *He* didn't seem to like it when
I mentioned it to him though.


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#105: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:49:29 by Andy Bonwick

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:26:51 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Andy Bonwick &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:hoe4c2hiq6kor3c5gj726kkefr8f06oi3u&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">hoe4c2hiq6kor3c5gj726kkefr8f06oi3u&#64;4ax.com</a>:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:41:20 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Think of any beige bike and you'll understand.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Editing this post to read Japanese sportsbike will be considered a
&gt;&gt; rather poor effort.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;:P

You'd have got a laugh if you'd edited it to read Jewish racing gold
instead of beige. Try to keep up with the latest piss take in future.

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#106: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:50:01 by Beav

&lt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:m4e4c21osfpc625rsbbd8s2lk3mo1jsnue&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">m4e4c21osfpc625rsbbd8s2lk3mo1jsnue&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns98089D4FD98ADwtymmmsas&#64;80.5.182.99" target="_blank">Xns98089D4FD98ADwtymmmsas&#64;80.5.182.99</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote in news:7qc4c2lcajms3u7tpudaq1f8jrmus2v9cl@
&gt;&gt;4ax.com:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns98088CC7CECCwtymmmsas&#64;62.253.170.163" target="_blank">Xns98088CC7CECCwtymmmsas&#64;62.253.170.163</a>&gt;:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote in news:hb54c21dspqeq0jh9ph7lri3t39i90si12@
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;4ax.com:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cool. That's more than it cost to buy mine and get it completely
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; straight. Thanks.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You can make a BMW completely straight? I don't believe you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Straight is a relative term.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;So you have made it relatively straight rather than completely straight?
&gt;
&gt; Well, given that my use of the word referred to the car being basically
&gt; fit for purpose and not liable to fail MOTs, break down etc. Yes, it's a
&gt; relative term.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;As Matt implies, gayness is inherent within BMWs. You can mask[1] it but
&gt;&gt;never remove it.
&gt;
&gt; Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.

Walk up to an MX5 and you'll soon see. 'Specially if it's a pink one.


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#107: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:59:37 by Andy Bonwick

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:50:01 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message

snip&gt;

&gt;&gt; Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.
&gt;
&gt;Walk up to an MX5 and you'll soon see. 'Specially if it's a pink one.

Are you trying to insinuate that only someone who is gay would buy a
pink vehicle?

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#108: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 18:24:13 by Preston Kemp

Andy Bonwick wrote:

&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:50:01 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;
&gt; snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Not sure how a car can be 'gay'.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Walk up to an MX5 and you'll soon see. 'Specially if it's a pink
&gt; &gt; one.
&gt;
&gt; Are you trying to insinuate that only someone who is gay would buy a
&gt; pink vehicle?

&lt;puts fingers in ears&gt;

&quot;LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU&quot;

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#109: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 18:39:32 by vulgarandmischevious

<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt; &quot;vulgarandmischevious&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:vulgarandmischevious&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">vulgarandmischevious&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt; message &lt;<a href="mailto:1153562803.222860.57650&#64;m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153562803.222860.57650&#64;m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt; &gt;&gt; beyond me.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Is 11k USD more palatable?
&gt;
&gt; Well, it's half as worrying for me...

Christ but the exchange rate sucks for me. What I want is a salary in
sterling, and a mortgage in dollars. I've got it the fucking wrong way
round.

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#110: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 18:46:15 by Andy Bonwick

On 22 Jul 2006 16:24:13 GMT, &quot;Krusty&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dontwantany&#64;nowhere.invalid" target="_blank">dontwantany&#64;nowhere.invalid</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Andy Bonwick wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:50:01 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Not sure how a car can be 'gay'.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Walk up to an MX5 and you'll soon see. 'Specially if it's a pink
&gt;&gt; &gt; one.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Are you trying to insinuate that only someone who is gay would buy a
&gt;&gt; pink vehicle?
&gt;
&gt;&lt;puts fingers in ears&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&quot;LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU&quot;

Would it be better if we referred to your bike as being either coral
(pink) or salmon (pink) ?

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#111: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 19:03:17 by Preston Kemp

Andy Bonwick wrote:

&gt; On 22 Jul 2006 16:24:13 GMT, &quot;Krusty&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dontwantany&#64;nowhere.invalid" target="_blank">dontwantany&#64;nowhere.invalid</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Andy Bonwick wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:50:01 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; snip&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Not sure how a car can be 'gay'.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Walk up to an MX5 and you'll soon see. 'Specially if it's a pink
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; one.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you trying to insinuate that only someone who is gay would buy
&gt; a &gt;&gt; pink vehicle?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &lt;puts fingers in ears&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Would it be better if we referred to your bike as being either coral
&gt; (pink) or salmon (pink) ?

It's more plum (pink) really. In fact in the garage it just looks plum,
&amp; not pink at all. It's a different story in the sunshine though.

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#112: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 19:07:23 by wessie

Andy Bonwick &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:26:51 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Andy Bonwick &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:hoe4c2hiq6kor3c5gj726kkefr8f06oi3u&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">hoe4c2hiq6kor3c5gj726kkefr8f06oi3u&#64;4ax.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:41:20 +0100, <a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Think of any beige bike and you'll understand.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Editing this post to read Japanese sportsbike will be considered a
&gt;&gt;&gt; rather poor effort.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;:P
&gt;
&gt; You'd have got a laugh if you'd edited it to read Jewish racing gold
&gt; instead of beige. Try to keep up with the latest piss take in future.

Well, young Potter, the old ones are often the best....

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#113: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 19:36:33 by DR

On 22 Jul 2006 09:39:32 -0700, &quot;vulgarandmischevious&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:vulgarandmischevious&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">vulgarandmischevious&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; is alleged to have written:

&gt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;vulgarandmischevious&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:vulgarandmischevious&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">vulgarandmischevious&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt; message &lt;<a href="mailto:1153562803.222860.57650&#64;m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153562803.222860.57650&#64;m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; beyond me.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;Is 11k USD more palatable?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Well, it's half as worrying for me...
&gt;
&gt;Christ but the exchange rate sucks for me. What I want is a salary in
&gt;sterling, and a mortgage in dollars. I've got it the fucking wrong way
&gt;round.

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#114: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 19:54:51 by ben

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:37 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:27:08 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't include
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get any
&gt;&gt;&gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt;&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt;&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt;&gt; budget is going.
&gt;
&gt;She's not just turned 17 and passed her test has she?

She has actually just passed her test but she's 10 years older than
that.
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#115: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 19:55:07 by ben

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:19:59 +0100, &quot;Hog&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:hogSPAM&#64;freenetCHIPS.co.uk" target="_blank">hogSPAM&#64;freenetCHIPS.co.uk</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Ben wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; My bikes always go inside the car given their value. A Passat isn't a
&gt;&gt; bad idea but I can't see my missus going for it as they're bloody
&gt;&gt; ugly.
&gt;
&gt;You think a Focus looks better than a Passat?

Yup.
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#116: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:05:28 by Steve

Bear &lt;<a href="mailto:bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; There's also a huge difference between buying a car new or nearly new
&gt; and taking it through 100,000 miles, and buying one that's already got
&gt; 100,000 miles on it. Buying a 100,000 mile car doesn't have to be a
&gt; lottery, but it's generally more like Blackjack; being good at spotting
&gt; things lowers the odds against losing, but doesn't mean you *can't*
&gt; lose.

I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
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#117: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:11:58 by Steve

Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't include
&gt; &gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get any
&gt; &gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt;
&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt; budget is going.

Does not compute.

If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
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#118: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:14:49 by Andy Bonwick

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:11:58 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
wrote:

&gt;Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't include
&gt;&gt; &gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get any
&gt;&gt; &gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt;&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt;&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt;&gt; budget is going.
&gt;
&gt;Does not compute.
&gt;
&gt;If she wants a car, she should bloody well steal it herself.....

Is that how it works in South Wales?

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#119: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:18:25 by Steve

Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new for
&gt; &gt;around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k
&gt;
&gt; I did think of the MG ZTT. But I've very wary about buying something
&gt;
&gt; a) Made in Longbridge [1]
&gt; b) That isn't having bits made for it any more and has no dealer
&gt; network.

One of my neighbours bought a brand new one recently.

I can only assume, by looking at the panel gaps, that Blind Pugh must
have bolted it together.
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#120: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:03:34 by Beav

&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:37 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:27:08 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;include
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;any
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt;&gt;&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt;&gt;&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt;&gt;&gt; budget is going.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;She's not just turned 17 and passed her test has she?
&gt;
&gt; She has actually just passed her test but she's 10 years older than
&gt; that.

She's firmly in the 307 range then:-)


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#121: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:04:42 by Beav

&quot;SteveH&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't
&gt;&gt; &gt;include
&gt;&gt; &gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get
&gt;&gt; &gt;any
&gt;&gt; &gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt;&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt;&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt;&gt; budget is going.
&gt;
&gt; Does not compute.
&gt;
&gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....

I enjoy buying my wife her cars. Even if she wants something I wouldn't
want.


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#122: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:08:57 by Beav

&quot;Andy Bonwick&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:50:01 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk" target="_blank">deadmail&#64;burnt.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;
&gt; snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Not sure *how* a car can be 'gay'.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Walk up to an MX5 and you'll soon see. 'Specially if it's a pink one.
&gt;
&gt; Are you trying to insinuate that only someone who is gay would buy a
&gt; pink vehicle?

Not at all. I recently painted an MX5 &quot;shocking pink&quot; and the owner is far
from gay. I think her boyfriend is though.


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#123: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:13:27 by Beav

&quot;SteveH&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new for
&gt;&gt; &gt;around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I did think of the MG ZTT. But I've very wary about buying something
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; a) Made in Longbridge [1]
&gt;&gt; b) That isn't having bits made for it any more and has no dealer
&gt;&gt; network.
&gt;
&gt; One of my neighbours bought a brand new one recently.
&gt;
&gt; I can only assume, by looking at the panel gaps, that Blind Pugh must
&gt; have bolted it together.

It's *that* good?

I just fitted *the* worst strewth kit to one of those and it rejected the
car.


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#124: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:34:21 by ben

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:03:34 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:3ip4c2t7a06ar3nc6tddu8bmmu1ig06v89&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">3ip4c2t7a06ar3nc6tddu8bmmu1ig06v89&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:37 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Ben&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:27:08 GMT, &quot;Beav&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com" target="_blank">beavis.original&#64;ntlwoxorld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;include
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;any
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; budget is going.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;She's not just turned 17 and passed her test has she?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; She has actually just passed her test but she's 10 years older than
&gt;&gt; that.
&gt;
&gt;She's firmly in the 307 range then:-)

She isn't buying it. And she doesn't want a car that big. Whereas my
car needs to do high mileages for work, her's is simply to enable her
to get more driving experience without the risk of her breaking me
sole means of work transport. So a cheap old high mileage 206 will do
fine.
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#125: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:36:13 by ben

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:11:58 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
wrote:

&gt;Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't include
&gt;&gt; &gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz you can't get any
&gt;&gt; &gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt;&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt;&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt;&gt; budget is going.
&gt;
&gt;Does not compute.
&gt;
&gt;If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....

Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
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#126: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:52:25 by Preston Kemp

Ben wrote:

&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:11:58 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria didn't
&gt; include &gt;&gt; &gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance now coz
&gt; you can't get any &gt;&gt; &gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough she
&gt; &gt;&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206 probably as
&gt; &gt;&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k out of my 10k
&gt; &gt;&gt; budget is going.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Does not compute.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
&gt;
&gt; Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.

I doubt Steve likes to buy things for your wife.

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#127: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 22:05:47 by Timo Geusch

Krusty wrote:

&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:11:58 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt; &gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;But now you've moved the goalposts. Your original criteria
&gt; &gt; didn't include &gt;&gt; &gt;&quot;must be attractive to wimmin&quot;. You've NO chance
&gt; &gt; now coz you can't get any &gt;&gt; &gt;bikes in an MX5.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; heh, she's going to be driving it as well. And funnily enough
&gt; &gt; she &gt;&gt; doesn't like stuff like MX5s. I'll be buying her a 206
&gt; &gt; probably as &gt;&gt; that's what she wants and that's where the other 3k
&gt; &gt; out of my 10k &gt;&gt; budget is going.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Does not compute.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
&gt;
&gt; I doubt Steve likes to buy things for your wife.

How'd you know? Do we have pictures of Ben's wife anywhere on the
Internet?

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#128: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-22 22:27:38 by Andy Bonwick

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:05:47 +0100, &quot;Timo Geusch&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:tnewsSPAMMENOT&#64;unixconsult.co.uk" target="_blank">tnewsSPAMMENOT&#64;unixconsult.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

snip&gt;

&gt;How'd you know? Do we have pictures of Ben's wife anywhere on the
&gt;Internet?

Ben posted his wedding photos for public viewing.

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#129: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 01:54:10 by MattG

Ben wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
&gt;
&gt; Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.

Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.

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#130: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 02:00:42 by wessie

&quot;MattG&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;iato.co.uk" target="_blank">spam&#64;iato.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
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&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
&gt;
&gt; Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
&gt;

My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
no.?

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#131: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:07:20 by Work in progress

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&quot;MattG&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;iato.co.uk" target="_blank">spam&#64;iato.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
&gt;@news.individual.net:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
&gt;no.?

&lt;g&gt; I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
but his attributions were sloppy.

I never laid a finger on him.
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#132: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:19:55 by wessie

Work in progress &lt;<a href="mailto:spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;MattG&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;iato.co.uk" target="_blank">spam&#64;iato.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
&gt;&gt;@news.individual.net:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
&gt;&gt;no.?
&gt;
&gt; &lt;g&gt; I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
&gt; but his attributions were sloppy.
&gt;
&gt; I never laid a finger on him.

That's what all the drunks say.....

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#133: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:37:55 by Work in progress

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:19:55 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Work in progress &lt;<a href="mailto:spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:6si5c25bcu0mnaf6kgq6p1upn3pht0krov&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">6si5c25bcu0mnaf6kgq6p1upn3pht0krov&#64;4ax.com</a>:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;MattG&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;iato.co.uk" target="_blank">spam&#64;iato.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
&gt;&gt;&gt;@news.individual.net:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
&gt;&gt;&gt;no.?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &lt;g&gt; I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
&gt;&gt; but his attributions were sloppy.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I never laid a finger on him.
&gt;
&gt;That's what all the drunks say.....

I thought that was 'you're my best mate you are'? Only without the
punctuation. And slightly more slurred.
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#134: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:58:14 by wessie

Work in progress &lt;<a href="mailto:spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:rik5c2tbqsmnpl33ojekj5r3fhtq0edkbp&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">rik5c2tbqsmnpl33ojekj5r3fhtq0edkbp&#64;4ax.com</a>:

&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:19:55 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Work in progress &lt;<a href="mailto:spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt;news:<a href="mailto:6si5c25bcu0mnaf6kgq6p1upn3pht0krov&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">6si5c25bcu0mnaf6kgq6p1upn3pht0krov&#64;4ax.com</a>:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I never laid a finger on him.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;That's what all the drunks say.....
&gt;
&gt; I thought that was 'you're my best mate you are'? Only without the
&gt; punctuation. And slightly more slurred.

Do women say that? I have limited experience but threats of violence seem
more common.

There have been a number of occasions when, after hearing a straight bloke
say it, I'm not their best mate in the morning ;)

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#135: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 08:36:48 by Andy Bonwick

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&quot;MattG&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;iato.co.uk" target="_blank">spam&#64;iato.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
&gt;@news.individual.net:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
&gt;no.?

I think Matt was having a little dig at someone else who's wife
decided to punch him in the face when she was pissed. Someone who
maybe wouldn't buy their wife a car.

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#136: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 08:37:57 by Andy Bonwick

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:07:20 +0100, Work in progress
&lt;<a href="mailto:spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;MattG&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;iato.co.uk" target="_blank">spam&#64;iato.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
&gt;&gt;@news.individual.net:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; If she wants a car, she should bloody well buy it herself.....
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Dunno about you, but I like to buy my wife things.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Bet your wife doesn't punch you in the face.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
&gt;&gt;no.?
&gt;
&gt;&lt;g&gt; I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
&gt;but his attributions were sloppy.
&gt;
I think you're right.

&gt;I never laid a finger on him.

You used a bit of wood?

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#137: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 13:15:08 by Work in progress

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:37:57 +0100, Andy Bonwick
&lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk" target="_blank">nospam&#64;bonwick.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:07:20 +0100, Work in progress
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">spamtrap2&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:00:42 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;MattG&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;iato.co.uk" target="_blank">spam&#64;iato.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote in news:xn0ep1vhqns08w000
&gt;&gt;&gt;@news.individual.net:

snip of cars and punching

&gt;&gt;&gt;My sister is a counsellor in a mens' refuge. Would you like the telephone
&gt;&gt;&gt;no.?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&lt;g&gt; I think it was a reference to an incident prior to my ukrm days
&gt;&gt;but his attributions were sloppy.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;I think you're right.

I usually am.

&gt;&gt;I never laid a finger on him.
&gt;
&gt;You used a bit of wood?

Oh no, I'm far more creative than that.
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#138: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 13:32:25 by Neal Champion

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:05:28 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
wrote:

&gt;Bear &lt;<a href="mailto:bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; There's also a huge difference between buying a car new or nearly new
&gt;&gt; and taking it through 100,000 miles, and buying one that's already got
&gt;&gt; 100,000 miles on it. Buying a 100,000 mile car doesn't have to be a
&gt;&gt; lottery, but it's generally more like Blackjack; being good at spotting
&gt;&gt; things lowers the odds against losing, but doesn't mean you *can't*
&gt;&gt; lose.
&gt;
&gt;I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
&gt;that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
&gt;on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
&gt;the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
&gt;bigger, better, higher-spec. car.

If the first part of your statement is true (insignificant difference
between cars with 20k and 50k), then *why* would the second part be
true (50k car much cheaper/higher spec). The market sets the prices,
you know.
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#139: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 13:38:42 by Steve

Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
&gt; &gt;that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
&gt; &gt;on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
&gt; &gt;the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
&gt; &gt;bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
&gt;
&gt; If the first part of your statement is true (insignificant difference
&gt; between cars with 20k and 50k), then *why* would the second part be
&gt; true (50k car much cheaper/higher spec). The market sets the prices,
&gt; you know.

Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
thread, mileage obsessed.
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#140: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 13:41:35 by steve auvache

SteveH wrote
&gt;Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
&gt;&gt; &gt;that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
&gt;&gt; &gt;on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
&gt;&gt; &gt;the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
&gt;&gt; &gt;bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; If the first part of your statement is true (insignificant difference
&gt;&gt; between cars with 20k and 50k), then *why* would the second part be
&gt;&gt; true (50k car much cheaper/higher spec). The market sets the prices,
&gt;&gt; you know.
&gt;
&gt;Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
&gt;thread, mileage obsessed.

Snot mileage that is the obsession, when viewed from this direction.


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#141: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 13:59:07 by Neal Champion

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:38:42 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
wrote:

&gt;Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
&gt;&gt; &gt;that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
&gt;&gt; &gt;on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
&gt;&gt; &gt;the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
&gt;&gt; &gt;bigger, better, higher-spec. car.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; If the first part of your statement is true (insignificant difference
&gt;&gt; between cars with 20k and 50k), then *why* would the second part be
&gt;&gt; true (50k car much cheaper/higher spec). The market sets the prices,
&gt;&gt; you know.
&gt;
&gt;Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
&gt;thread, mileage obsessed.

And why do you think that is?
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#142: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 14:01:22 by Steve

Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
&gt; &gt;thread, mileage obsessed.
&gt;
&gt; And why do you think that is?

People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being scrap
by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have heard it
from their fathers etc.

We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so much.
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#143: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 14:37:29 by ben

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
wrote:

&gt;Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
&gt;&gt; &gt;thread, mileage obsessed.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And why do you think that is?
&gt;
&gt;People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being scrap
&gt;by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have heard it
&gt;from their fathers etc.
&gt;
&gt;We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so much.

In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
these days.

The interiors generally are not. Seats wear, carpets wear, steering
wheels get shiny, gear sticks get tatty. You also get stone chipping
over the front of the car and all those little scratches on the body
work that when you own a car you never notice but when buying would
put you off.

I want a low mileage car, not just because it makes it mechanically
more reliable, but because it looks and feels a nicer place to be.
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#144: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 14:47:14 by Preston II

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:05:28 +0100, SteveH said ...
&gt; Bear &lt;<a href="mailto:bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; There's also a huge difference between buying a car new or nearly new
&gt; &gt; and taking it through 100,000 miles, and buying one that's already got
&gt; &gt; 100,000 miles on it. Buying a 100,000 mile car doesn't have to be a
&gt; &gt; lottery, but it's generally more like Blackjack; being good at spotting
&gt; &gt; things lowers the odds against losing, but doesn't mean you *can't*
&gt; &gt; lose.
&gt;
&gt; I'm not suggesting Ben should buy something with 100k miles on it, just
&gt; that the difference between a car with 20k miles and one with 50k miles
&gt; on it is so negligible that I wouldn't worry about it - especially as
&gt; the 50k mile example is likely to be significantly cheaper and / or a
&gt; bigger, better, higher-spec. car.

Ah, but that wasn't what you said, sparky; you said:

&quot;even something with 50k miles
on it, if bought sensibly (Passat, Golf Estate, Octavia) will still feel
pretty much as fresh as a new car at 150k miles.&quot;

Now I'm sorry, but a 150K mile car does not feel &quot;pretty much as fresh
as a new&quot; one.
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#145: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 14:51:08 by Preston II

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:18:25 +0100, SteveH said ...
&gt; Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Sounds daft, but a Rover 75 or MG-ZT - you can pick one up brand new for
&gt; &gt; &gt;around 10k, there was a 2.5l MG-ZT estate in a local garage for 5k
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I did think of the MG ZTT. But I've very wary about buying something
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; a) Made in Longbridge [1]
&gt; &gt; b) That isn't having bits made for it any more and has no dealer
&gt; &gt; network.
&gt;
&gt; One of my neighbours bought a brand new one recently.
&gt;
&gt; I can only assume, by looking at the panel gaps, that Blind Pugh must
&gt; have bolted it together.

&quot;How shit is a MG ZTT?&quot;

&quot;*SteveH* thinks they're shit&quot;

&quot;Fuck!&quot;.
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#146: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 14:59:59 by Steve

Bear &lt;<a href="mailto:bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">bastardDOTbear&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Now I'm sorry, but a 150K mile car does not feel &quot;pretty much as fresh
&gt; as a new&quot; one.

I've driven, more or less back to back, a 20k miles Passat and my old
130k miles (when I bought it) Passat.

Other than a slightly shiney steering wheel, there was very little
difference between the 2 cars. The seats hadn't deteriorated, the inside
was just as clean on both of 'em.

Externally, the only issue was that the 130k mile example was showing
signs of stonechipping along the leading edge of the roof.

Having said all that, I wouldn't recommend a Toyota to anyone, this
Corolla Verso hire car I have at the moment is starting to look a bit
(internally) scruffy after only 6k miles.
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#147: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:09:29 by Dr Zoidberg

Ben wrote:
&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being
&gt;&gt; scrap by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have
&gt;&gt; heard it from their fathers etc.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so
&gt;&gt; much.
&gt;
&gt; In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
&gt; these days.
&gt;
&gt; The interiors generally are not. Seats wear, carpets wear, steering
&gt; wheels get shiny, gear sticks get tatty. You also get stone chipping
&gt; over the front of the car and all those little scratches on the body
&gt; work that when you own a car you never notice but when buying would
&gt; put you off.

Yep. My octavia went at 82k , and while it still had plenty of life left in
it , you could tell that it wasn't as creak-free as it had been when new.

&gt; I want a low mileage car, not just because it makes it mechanically
&gt; more reliable, but because it looks and feels a nicer place to be.

Also once you start to get past 60k miles (where most warranties expire)
you'll start to get wear and tear on mechanical components that needs
attention , especially if the car has been driven with less than ideal
mechanical sympathy.

As an example a chap at work had a Mk4 Golf GTI , and every time it went in
for a service there was something that needed replacing - clutch , brakes ,
suspension components , engine mounts , drive shaft boots and so on and so
forth.

The same thing happens with all our company cars as they get older
irrespective of make. A 3 series BMW cost close to a grand each time it went
in for a service. Now granted you can save money by not using main dealers
and not replacing everything that they say needs doing as soon as they
suggest it , but it's indicative of running a higher mileage car.

Running a newer car means you'll be paying more in depreciation , usually in
loan repayments , but you'll know in advance what your servicing costs are
likely to be. An older car can be had cheaper but you face plenty of
unexpected bills as you go , and you aren't in as good a condition car.

One other thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that buying a brand
new car gets you a choice of buying the most recent model with all the
improvements and extra toys that come with it.

Taking Steve's passat for example , buy buying new you get to drive the new
shape car with all it's benefits.
If you are going to save money buy buying a 2 or 3 year old one then you get
the previous shape which is nowhere near as nice.



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#148: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:20:05 by Andy Bonwick

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:37:29 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

snip&gt;

&gt;In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
&gt;these days.
&gt;
Engines last longer due to better manufacturing standards and quality
assurance but bushes, pins, ball joints etc such as you find on
suspension and steering components still wear out remarkably easily.
Brakes also get fucked and once you factor in the hassle involved in
getting something fixed every 6 months or so it's not worth the
effort.

Adie had nothing but trouble (1) with her last car which had fairly
high mileage when she bought it and she wouldn't go back to buying
cars with more than 10k miles on the clock.

(1) Mainly brakes but there was a problem with the top end that was
getting worse so she got rid.

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#149: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:22:31 by wessie

<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH) wrote in news:1hixleq.qb0m04192ggsN%
<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a>:


&gt;
&gt; Having said all that, I wouldn't recommend a Toyota to anyone, this
&gt; Corolla Verso hire car I have at the moment is starting to look a bit
&gt; (internally) scruffy after only 6k miles.

I refer you to my previous comment about hire cars: they are rarely a good
buy, even 1 year old with low[1] mileage

[1] by your measurement system, say 20k

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#150: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:32:29 by Steve

wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt; Having said all that, I wouldn't recommend a Toyota to anyone, this
&gt; &gt; Corolla Verso hire car I have at the moment is starting to look a bit
&gt; &gt; (internally) scruffy after only 6k miles.
&gt;
&gt; I refer you to my previous comment about hire cars: they are rarely a good
&gt; buy, even 1 year old with low[1] mileage
&gt;
&gt; [1] by your measurement system, say 20k

I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
shite.[1]

HTH.

[1] Interior design by Matsui.
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#151: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:49:30 by ginge

In article &lt;1hixn00.hv2rn616jnxvkN%<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a>&gt;, SteveH
says...
&gt; I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
&gt; shite.[1]

But IIRC also one of the most reliable heaps of Japanese
shite you could buy.

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#152: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:50:13 by Steve

ginge &lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; In article &lt;1hixn00.hv2rn616jnxvkN%<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a>&gt;, SteveH
&gt; says...
&gt; &gt; I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
&gt; &gt; shite.[1]
&gt;
&gt; But IIRC also one of the most reliable heaps of Japanese
&gt; shite you could buy.

Maybe. The quality of the interior is, however, shite.

If you used it how it was meant to be used - ie. stuffed with kids, it
would be trashed in months, not years.
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#153: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:52:15 by wessie

<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH) wrote in
news:1hixn00.hv2rn616jnxvkN%<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a>:

&gt; wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Having said all that, I wouldn't recommend a Toyota to anyone, this
&gt;&gt; &gt; Corolla Verso hire car I have at the moment is starting to look a
&gt;&gt; &gt; bit (internally) scruffy after only 6k miles.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I refer you to my previous comment about hire cars: they are rarely a
&gt;&gt; good buy, even 1 year old with low[1] mileage
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; [1] by your measurement system, say 20k
&gt;
&gt; I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of
&gt; Japanese shite.[1]

Cheaply built in the third world enclave of Derbyshire.

&gt;
&gt; HTH.

No. Your sample size of 1 car fails to convince me that the wear &amp; tear is
a factor of poor manufacturing rather than from the abuse of 6000 miles
worth of DILLIGAF hire car drivers.

Many years driving hire cars, working in the motor trade and buying cars
privately have taught me that an ex-Hertz car, with 10k miles on the clock,
can look quite tatty and require a great deal more unscheduled maintenance
in later life.

&gt;
&gt; [1] Interior design by Matsui.

Iwane Matsui?

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#154: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 16:00:39 by the.best.names.are.gone

Dr Zoidberg wrote:
&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt; &gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt; &gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being
&gt; &gt;&gt; scrap by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have
&gt; &gt;&gt; heard it from their fathers etc.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so
&gt; &gt;&gt; much.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
&gt; &gt; these days.
&gt; &gt;

&gt; Running a newer car means you'll be paying more in depreciation , usually in
&gt; loan repayments ,

I think you actually mean your paying depreciation plus the interest on
loan repayments.

Being stereotypical, it just sticks in my craw to be paying interest on
a depreciating asset.

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#155: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 16:10:19 by Andy Bonwick

On 23 Jul 2006 07:00:39 -0700, &quot;<a href="mailto:Higgins&#64;work" target="_blank">Higgins&#64;work</a>&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:the.best.names.are.gone&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">the.best.names.are.gone&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

snip&gt;

&gt;I think you actually mean your paying depreciation plus the interest on
&gt;loan repayments.
&gt;
&gt;Being stereotypical, it just sticks in my craw to be paying interest on
&gt;a depreciating asset.

Don't forget that you can minimise those costs by purchasing a
pre-registered bike on interest free credit. That way you can have the
latest toys without having to save up the cash first.

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#156: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 16:30:27 by Cab

wessie wrote:

&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; HTH.
&gt;
&gt; No. Your sample size of 1 car fails to convince me that the wear &amp;
&gt; tear is a factor of poor manufacturing rather than from the abuse of
&gt; 6000 miles worth of DILLIGAF hire car drivers.
&gt;
&gt; Many years driving hire cars, working in the motor trade and buying
&gt; cars privately have taught me that an ex-Hertz car, with 10k miles on
&gt; the clock, can look quite tatty and require a great deal more
&gt; unscheduled maintenance in later life.

I've been watching this and am in no way convinced by Steve's
arguments. Quite the contrary, in fact.

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#157: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 16:43:15 by Neal Champion

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:37:29 +0100, Ben &lt;<a href="mailto:ukrm&#64;bensales.com" target="_blank">ukrm&#64;bensales.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Champ &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;champ.org.uk" target="_blank">news&#64;champ.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;Because, on the UK market, people are, as has been demonstrated by this
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;thread, mileage obsessed.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; And why do you think that is?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being scrap
&gt;&gt;by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have heard it
&gt;&gt;from their fathers etc.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so much.
&gt;
&gt;In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
&gt;these days.
&gt;
&gt;The interiors generally are not. Seats wear, carpets wear, steering
&gt;wheels get shiny, gear sticks get tatty. You also get stone chipping
&gt;over the front of the car and all those little scratches on the body
&gt;work that when you own a car you never notice but when buying would
&gt;put you off.
&gt;
&gt;I want a low mileage car, not just because it makes it mechanically
&gt;more reliable, but because it looks and feels a nicer place to be.

And that last clause in your sentence is exactly the way I feel about
it.
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#158: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:08:02 by Dr Zoidberg

<a href="mailto:Higgins&#64;work" target="_blank">Higgins&#64;work</a> wrote:
&gt; Dr Zoidberg wrote:
&gt;&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; scrap by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; heard it from their fathers etc.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; much.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
&gt;&gt;&gt; these days.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Running a newer car means you'll be paying more in depreciation ,
&gt;&gt; usually in loan repayments ,
&gt;
&gt; I think you actually mean your paying depreciation plus the interest
&gt; on loan repayments.

You don't pay &quot;depreciation&quot;.
You pay for an object that will be worth less in future which will either
mean paying for it from savings and losing the interest you would have got
or getting a loan.
Either way you are losing money because of interest

&gt; Being stereotypical, it just sticks in my craw to be paying interest
&gt; on a depreciating asset.

Same as buying absolutely anything on credit , and at least a vehicle does
have some resale value unlike most of the stuff you buy which is used till
it gets binned
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#159: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 19:16:43 by vulgarandmischevious

SteveH wrote:
&gt;
&gt; I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
&gt; shite.[1]

My Prado was extremely well-built, as a matter of fact.

Are you talking about cars you've never driven or ever been in? That
seems to be your forte.

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#160: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 19:29:19 by Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
saying something like:

&gt;I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
&gt;shite.[1]

That somehow manage to keep going and going and have doors that close
with a satisfying clunk, switchgear that doesn't feel cheap and nasty,
don't leak, don't whine, don't squeak and rattle, don't break down and
just go.

I used to be of your opinion until I bought this particular SOJC - maybe
it's just a good one, but other opinions of them concur. The only thing
I've got against it is that it's boring as fuck to drive, but that can
be remedied by keeping the boot down as much as possible.
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#161: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:01:24 by Beav

&quot;Dr Zoidberg&quot; &lt;AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:4ihhjjF3qelpU1&#64;individual.net..." target="_blank">4ihhjjF3qelpU1&#64;individual.net...</a>
&gt; <a href="mailto:Higgins&#64;work" target="_blank">Higgins&#64;work</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; Dr Zoidberg wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; scrap by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; heard it from their fathers etc.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; much.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; these days.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Running a newer car means you'll be paying more in depreciation ,
&gt;&gt;&gt; usually in loan repayments ,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I think you actually mean your paying depreciation plus the interest
&gt;&gt; on loan repayments.
&gt;
&gt; You don't pay &quot;depreciation&quot;.
&gt; You pay for an object that will be worth less in future which will either
&gt; mean paying for it from savings and losing the interest you would have got
&gt; or getting a loan.
&gt; Either way you are losing money because of interest

Yeah, what you've *really* got to do is have enough money in the bank it
doesn't matter a toss which way you pay. If the interest your money earns
can pay for whatever it is you buy in a few days, just splurge out and buy
it and say bollocks to the sums.


&gt;
&gt;&gt; Being stereotypical, it just sticks in my craw to be paying interest
&gt;&gt; on a depreciating asset.
&gt;
&gt; Same as buying absolutely anything on credit ,

Same as buying anything at all, in fact.

and at least a vehicle does
&gt; have some resale value unlike most of the stuff you buy which is used till
&gt; it gets binned

My cars (these days) generally have the same value when I sell them as when
I buy 'em. Fuck all:-)



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#162: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:19:14 by the.best.names.are.gone

Dr Zoidberg wrote:
&gt; <a href="mailto:Higgins&#64;work" target="_blank">Higgins&#64;work</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt; Dr Zoidberg wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; Ben wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:22 +0100, <a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a> (SteveH)
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; People remember their old MkI Escorts and Hillman Avengers being
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; scrap by 80k miles. If not from first hand experience, they'll have
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; heard it from their fathers etc.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We're one of the few markets in Europe where mileage counts for so
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; much.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; In my experience, mechanically vehicles are sound at high mileages
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; these days.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Running a newer car means you'll be paying more in depreciation ,
&gt; &gt;&gt; usually in loan repayments ,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I think you actually mean your paying depreciation plus the interest
&gt; &gt; on loan repayments.
&gt;
&gt; You don't pay &quot;depreciation&quot;.
&gt; You pay for an object that will be worth less in future which will either
&gt; mean paying for it from savings and losing the interest you would have got
&gt; or getting a loan.

I understand the principle but I was quoting your comment. Whatever way
you look at it, you're dropping shedloads and paying (or losing)
interest for the privilege.

I guess it's each to their own but our car hardly turns a wheel during
the week so I'd be dropping a stack on a driveway ornament.
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#163: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:29:48 by Dr Zoidberg

<a href="mailto:Higgins&#64;work" target="_blank">Higgins&#64;work</a> wrote:

&gt; I guess it's each to their own but our car hardly turns a wheel during
&gt; the week so I'd be dropping a stack on a driveway ornament.

And if that was my usual amount of driving I'd be happy with a much cheaper
conveyance.
At the mo though I do 30k miles a year and drive it every day so I want
something I'm comfortable in and enjoy driving.

That and I get a car allowance which pays for it :0)

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#164: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 22:30:03 by ChrisDC

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:52:15 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Iwane Matsui?

Euan MacShuie?

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#165: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-23 23:57:28 by Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember ChrisDC &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">news&#64;127.0.0.1</a>&gt; saying
something like:

&gt;On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:52:15 GMT, wessie &lt;<a href="mailto:putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net" target="_blank">putmynamehere&#64;tesco.net</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Iwane Matsui?
&gt;
&gt;Euan MacShuie?

Shuey McHooyey?
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#166: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:22:03 by Lozzo

says...
&gt; &quot;Dan L&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.yodanet&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4ie296F3cbjnU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt;:
&gt;=20
&gt; &gt;We got one of those for SWMBO last year, 1.6 Auto.
&gt; &gt;Very nice car, good quality feel to it.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Not too pricey either, =A311k for a '55 plater with bugger all mileage
&gt;=20
&gt; How people justify (to themselves) spending 11k on a car is absolutely
&gt; beyond me.

Because they can.

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#167: Re: OT: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:22:03 by Lozzo

Beav says...

&gt; I actually like knowing that the total cost of my last car was less than =
a=20
&gt; single monthly payment on my neighbours X5. *He* didn't seem to like it w=
hen=20
&gt; I mentioned it to him though.

I like the fact that buying and rebuilding my Bindit cost me =A3100 less=20
than the price of a Maxton shock absorber for the Gixer.

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#168: Re: Car suggestions

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:22:03 by Lozzo

SteveH says...
&gt; ginge &lt;<a href="mailto:the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com" target="_blank">the.gingeREMOVE&#64;THISgmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;1hixn00.hv2rn616jnxvkN%<a href="mailto:steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk" target="_blank">steve&#64;italiancar.co.uk</a>&gt;, SteveH
&gt; &gt; says...
&gt; &gt; &gt; I refer you to the fact that Toyotas are cheaply built heaps of Japanese
&gt; &gt; &gt; shite.[1]
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; But IIRC also one of the most reliable heaps of Japanese
&gt; &gt; shite you could buy.
&gt;
&gt; Maybe. The quality of the interior is, however, shite.

Being the owner of several Italian cars would usually make you well
qualified to comment on shite interiors, but personally I think you're
talking out of your arse on this one.

I've done shitloads of work on both British and Japanese assembled
Toyotas and they are pretty well nailed together on the interior side of
things, as are all the other Japanese cars I've worked on. German cars
do seem to be a little tougher, but Japanese cars will last as well if
cared for.

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