Bookmarks

Yahoo Gmail Google Facebook Delicious Twitter Reddit Stumpleupon Myspace Digg

Search queries

sprocket xt 600, starter for 1984 honda 650 nighthawk, how to bypass crank position sensor honda, jensen interceptor ignition timing, rfactor f3 mod, temporary fix for crankshaft position sensor, rear brakes at 4mm, dr 350 cdi, 1992 dodge spirit fuel system, how long will 4mm brake pads last

Links

XODOX
Impressum

#1: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-17 23:45:12 by JohnK

Hey everyone. It's 90 degrees in the shade here in PA A round of your
favorite - on me.

I don't post here very often and I know somehow I'm goona catch some
flack on this. I'm trying to get some initial feedback on the newly
announced changes in the 07 lineup, most importantly for those who
haven't seen the Harley web site yet, a new TC 96 engine mated with a 6
speed tranny on all models (cep't Sporty's).

I'm not trying for a flame war here and there is a selfish motivation
for my asking. I'm just about to close a deal on an 04 Ultra with
3000 miles on it - and I have a 2000 FXDWG as my current ride. I'm now
in a bit of a quandry as to how to juggle this all around.

I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is
gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm
looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.

I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99. That one I could
somehow justify because it seemed the TC88 did address quite a few
problem areas of the Evo. (in a relative sort of way). This move, I
see more as a forced obsolescence maneuver and a way to drive down the
value of everything pre-07, with no real gains. The TC 96 will have to
drink more fuel and I'm not convinced the extra gear will compensate for
that. I also understand that oxygen sensors or other expensive work
arounds on the EFI will be necessary for any engine and/or exhaust work.
I know that's not all Harley's fault but it's still a part of the new
package.

I know it's a new model year and new prices always go up and used prices
always drop. Just curious if there are any learned opinions on this
rather significant move and how you see the used bike market heading.
This seems a little quick and pointless to me. Or am I missing
something legit?

Opinions, comments (nasty or nice)? Thanks.

John

Report this message

#2: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-18 05:44:02 by Key

&quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt; I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99.
&gt; That one I could somehow justify because it seemed the
&gt; TC88 did address quite a few problem areas of the Evo.
&gt; (in a relative sort of way).

what problems areas of an EVO ?

--
&quot;Key&quot;
=====

Report this message

#3: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-18 18:33:23 by Roger M

JohnK wrote:

&gt; Hey everyone. It's 90 degrees in the shade here in PA A round of your
&gt; favorite - on me.
&gt;
&gt; I don't post here very often and I know somehow I'm goona catch some
&gt; flack on this. I'm trying to get some initial feedback on the newly
&gt; announced changes in the 07 lineup, most importantly for those who
&gt; haven't seen the Harley web site yet, a new TC 96 engine mated with a 6
&gt; speed tranny on all models (cep't Sporty's).
&gt;
&gt; I'm not trying for a flame war here and there is a selfish motivation
&gt; for my asking. I'm just about to close a deal on an 04 Ultra with
&gt; 3000 miles on it - and I have a 2000 FXDWG as my current ride. I'm now
&gt; in a bit of a quandry as to how to juggle this all around.
&gt;
&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
&gt; with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is
&gt; gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm
&gt; looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;
&gt; I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99. That one I could
&gt; somehow justify because it seemed the TC88 did address quite a few
&gt; problem areas of the Evo. (in a relative sort of way). This move, I
&gt; see more as a forced obsolescence maneuver and a way to drive down the
&gt; value of everything pre-07, with no real gains. The TC 96 will have to
&gt; drink more fuel and I'm not convinced the extra gear will compensate for
&gt; that. I also understand that oxygen sensors or other expensive work
&gt; arounds on the EFI will be necessary for any engine and/or exhaust work.
&gt; I know that's not all Harley's fault but it's still a part of the new
&gt; package.
&gt;
&gt; I know it's a new model year and new prices always go up and used prices
&gt; always drop. Just curious if there are any learned opinions on this
&gt; rather significant move and how you see the used bike market heading.
&gt; This seems a little quick and pointless to me. Or am I missing
&gt; something legit?
&gt;
&gt; Opinions, comments (nasty or nice)? Thanks.
&gt;
&gt; John

I personally don't see the changes Harley made as being significant. They
added a gear and juggled the ratios. They added helical gears to the tranny
when they should have made them for the cams. They put o-2 sensors on to
keep them emission compliant. The extra cubic inches can be had on a regular
TC88 with a big bore kit. Stage two big bore kits have been readily
available on ebay from dealers a couple of years now for around $600. I've
bought several. For the most part it seems to be business as usual for
Harley. I'll keep my '05.



Roger

Report this message

#4: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-19 00:47:26 by Coasty

&quot;Roger M&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rmauck&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">rmauck&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:44BD0D53.FDF92963&#64;adelphia.net..." target="_blank">44BD0D53.FDF92963&#64;adelphia.net...</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; JohnK wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hey everyone. It's 90 degrees in the shade here in PA A round of your
&gt;&gt; favorite - on me.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't post here very often and I know somehow I'm goona catch some
&gt;&gt; flack on this. I'm trying to get some initial feedback on the newly
&gt;&gt; announced changes in the 07 lineup, most importantly for those who
&gt;&gt; haven't seen the Harley web site yet, a new TC 96 engine mated with a 6
&gt;&gt; speed tranny on all models (cep't Sporty's).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm not trying for a flame war here and there is a selfish motivation
&gt;&gt; for my asking. I'm just about to close a deal on an 04 Ultra with
&gt;&gt; 3000 miles on it - and I have a 2000 FXDWG as my current ride. I'm now
&gt;&gt; in a bit of a quandry as to how to juggle this all around.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
&gt;&gt; with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is
&gt;&gt; gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm
&gt;&gt; looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99. That one I could
&gt;&gt; somehow justify because it seemed the TC88 did address quite a few
&gt;&gt; problem areas of the Evo. (in a relative sort of way). This move, I
&gt;&gt; see more as a forced obsolescence maneuver and a way to drive down the
&gt;&gt; value of everything pre-07, with no real gains. The TC 96 will have to
&gt;&gt; drink more fuel and I'm not convinced the extra gear will compensate for
&gt;&gt; that. I also understand that oxygen sensors or other expensive work
&gt;&gt; arounds on the EFI will be necessary for any engine and/or exhaust work.
&gt;&gt; I know that's not all Harley's fault but it's still a part of the new
&gt;&gt; package.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I know it's a new model year and new prices always go up and used prices
&gt;&gt; always drop. Just curious if there are any learned opinions on this
&gt;&gt; rather significant move and how you see the used bike market heading.
&gt;&gt; This seems a little quick and pointless to me. Or am I missing
&gt;&gt; something legit?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Opinions, comments (nasty or nice)? Thanks.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; John
&gt;
&gt; I personally don't see the changes Harley made as being significant. They
&gt; added a gear and juggled the ratios. They added helical gears to the
&gt; tranny
&gt; when they should have made them for the cams. They put o-2 sensors on to
&gt; keep them emission compliant. The extra cubic inches can be had on a
&gt; regular
&gt; TC88 with a big bore kit. Stage two big bore kits have been readily
&gt; available on ebay from dealers a couple of years now for around $600. I've
&gt; bought several. For the most part it seems to be business as usual for
&gt; Harley. I'll keep my '05.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Roger
&gt;
I may be mistaken but it appears all engines are now Fuel System3 Electronic
Sequential Port Fuel Injection
(ESPFI) even the sportys no more carbs.

Coasty

Report this message

#5: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-19 01:10:52 by JohnK

Ladies and guys,

Thanks for the feedback so far. I talked with my dealer a bit this
morning. According to him, if I can remember all he threw at me:

1.) Correct - NO more carbs on any bikes.

2.) New engine is designed with new lower end but the same TC88
cylinders. This will allow a &quot;quick&quot; upgrade with a big bore kit - but
will take the bike immediately to 103 ci. for a much reduced price.

3.) Oxygen sensors all around. Slip on mufflers will still work but
newest computer may be more limited in tuning (I'm not sure I buy that
one). If full header pipes are swapped - more expense in finding kits
that include 0xygen sensors and proper ability to modify computer.
(That part I will believe.)

4.) Strong rumor is that Harley is bailing out of the exhaust market all
together due to new EPA issues. Possibly by beginning of 07 calendar
year, they will no longer be offereing any SE mufflers. (This is
still in the rumor stage but apparently was discussed at the dealer
meeting last week.)

For what it's worth.

Thanks again.

John

Coasty wrote:
&gt; &quot;Roger M&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rmauck&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">rmauck&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:44BD0D53.FDF92963&#64;adelphia.net..." target="_blank">44BD0D53.FDF92963&#64;adelphia.net...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;JohnK wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Hey everyone. It's 90 degrees in the shade here in PA A round of your
&gt;&gt;&gt;favorite - on me.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I don't post here very often and I know somehow I'm goona catch some
&gt;&gt;&gt;flack on this. I'm trying to get some initial feedback on the newly
&gt;&gt;&gt;announced changes in the 07 lineup, most importantly for those who
&gt;&gt;&gt;haven't seen the Harley web site yet, a new TC 96 engine mated with a 6
&gt;&gt;&gt;speed tranny on all models (cep't Sporty's).
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I'm not trying for a flame war here and there is a selfish motivation
&gt;&gt;&gt;for my asking. I'm just about to close a deal on an 04 Ultra with
&gt;&gt;&gt;3000 miles on it - and I have a 2000 FXDWG as my current ride. I'm now
&gt;&gt;&gt;in a bit of a quandry as to how to juggle this all around.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
&gt;&gt;&gt;with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is
&gt;&gt;&gt;gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt;looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99. That one I could
&gt;&gt;&gt;somehow justify because it seemed the TC88 did address quite a few
&gt;&gt;&gt;problem areas of the Evo. (in a relative sort of way). This move, I
&gt;&gt;&gt;see more as a forced obsolescence maneuver and a way to drive down the
&gt;&gt;&gt;value of everything pre-07, with no real gains. The TC 96 will have to
&gt;&gt;&gt;drink more fuel and I'm not convinced the extra gear will compensate for
&gt;&gt;&gt;that. I also understand that oxygen sensors or other expensive work
&gt;&gt;&gt;arounds on the EFI will be necessary for any engine and/or exhaust work.
&gt;&gt;&gt;I know that's not all Harley's fault but it's still a part of the new
&gt;&gt;&gt;package.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I know it's a new model year and new prices always go up and used prices
&gt;&gt;&gt;always drop. Just curious if there are any learned opinions on this
&gt;&gt;&gt;rather significant move and how you see the used bike market heading.
&gt;&gt;&gt;This seems a little quick and pointless to me. Or am I missing
&gt;&gt;&gt;something legit?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Opinions, comments (nasty or nice)? Thanks.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;John
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I personally don't see the changes Harley made as being significant. They
&gt;&gt;added a gear and juggled the ratios. They added helical gears to the
&gt;&gt;tranny
&gt;&gt;when they should have made them for the cams. They put o-2 sensors on to
&gt;&gt;keep them emission compliant. The extra cubic inches can be had on a
&gt;&gt;regular
&gt;&gt;TC88 with a big bore kit. Stage two big bore kits have been readily
&gt;&gt;available on ebay from dealers a couple of years now for around $600. I've
&gt;&gt;bought several. For the most part it seems to be business as usual for
&gt;&gt;Harley. I'll keep my '05.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Roger
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I may be mistaken but it appears all engines are now Fuel System3 Electronic
&gt; Sequential Port Fuel Injection
&gt; (ESPFI) even the sportys no more carbs.
&gt;
&gt; Coasty
&gt;
&gt;

Report this message

#6: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-19 12:33:16 by Prilosec

I just bought my first H-D the other day--an 06 Street Glide. They had
announced the new bikes a day or two before I picked mine up, but I am still
happy with the 06 and the 'old' TC88 motor. The new one has more torque and
HP (but not a huge amount more). There is a lot of internal change that
appears for the better, plus the new transmission should be much better. I
would assume the new top gear will increase fuel economy, which I am
guessing is something H-D wants to do because of the EPA thing--along with
EFI and catalyst exhaust.
We'll see what problems this setup has in the first year or so---this is the
main reason I am happy with the 06--I don't want to be anybody's guinea pig.
H-D probably feels they have to increase displacement, as all the japanese
cruisers are so much bigger now with far more torque and HP (not all, but
many of them). My last bike was a Yamaha Roadstar, and that bike has a
significantly bigger motor (much more torque by actually slightly less HP).
I guess if a big, beautiful motor is what you want, a Roadstar fills the
bill. Maybe some buyers look at that, look at the price difference in those
kind of clones and H-D and go for the Japanese bike. H-D seems to really
know the market, and they certainly know what they need to do to stay on top
as nobody seems to be able to catch up in sales, anyway.
&quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt; Hey everyone. It's 90 degrees in the shade here in PA A round of your
&gt; favorite - on me.
&gt;
&gt; I don't post here very often and I know somehow I'm goona catch some flack
&gt; on this. I'm trying to get some initial feedback on the newly announced
&gt; changes in the 07 lineup, most importantly for those who haven't seen the
&gt; Harley web site yet, a new TC 96 engine mated with a 6 speed tranny on all
&gt; models (cep't Sporty's).
&gt;
&gt; I'm not trying for a flame war here and there is a selfish motivation for
&gt; my asking. I'm just about to close a deal on an 04 Ultra with 3000
&gt; miles on it - and I have a 2000 FXDWG as my current ride. I'm now in a
&gt; bit of a quandry as to how to juggle this all around.
&gt;
&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined with
&gt; 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is gonna
&gt; tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm looking
&gt; for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;
&gt; I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99. That one I could
&gt; somehow justify because it seemed the TC88 did address quite a few problem
&gt; areas of the Evo. (in a relative sort of way). This move, I see more as
&gt; a forced obsolescence maneuver and a way to drive down the value of
&gt; everything pre-07, with no real gains. The TC 96 will have to drink more
&gt; fuel and I'm not convinced the extra gear will compensate for that. I
&gt; also understand that oxygen sensors or other expensive work arounds on the
&gt; EFI will be necessary for any engine and/or exhaust work. I know that's
&gt; not all Harley's fault but it's still a part of the new package.
&gt;
&gt; I know it's a new model year and new prices always go up and used prices
&gt; always drop. Just curious if there are any learned opinions on this
&gt; rather significant move and how you see the used bike market heading. This
&gt; seems a little quick and pointless to me. Or am I missing something
&gt; legit?
&gt;
&gt; Opinions, comments (nasty or nice)? Thanks.
&gt;
&gt; John
&gt;

Report this message

#7: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-19 16:23:46 by oldcarfart

The more I look at the new bikes the more I like my 1987 FLHTC. Want a
bigger engine? they start at $4995.00, want a six-speed? go to Baker,
I gag at 30K for a bike, maybe I am just a cheap MF'er but holy schitt!
It ain't a friggin house or motorhome! I would be paranoid about even
farting on a big buck bike to kill it's value!!!&lt;grin&gt;



JohnK wrote:
&gt; Hey everyone. It's 90 degrees in the shade here in PA A round of your
&gt; favorite - on me.
&gt;
&gt; I don't post here very often and I know somehow I'm goona catch some
&gt; flack on this. I'm trying to get some initial feedback on the newly
&gt; announced changes in the 07 lineup, most importantly for those who
&gt; haven't seen the Harley web site yet, a new TC 96 engine mated with a 6
&gt; speed tranny on all models (cep't Sporty's).
&gt;
&gt; I'm not trying for a flame war here and there is a selfish motivation
&gt; for my asking. I'm just about to close a deal on an 04 Ultra with
&gt; 3000 miles on it - and I have a 2000 FXDWG as my current ride. I'm now
&gt; in a bit of a quandry as to how to juggle this all around.
&gt;
&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
&gt; with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is
&gt; gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm
&gt; looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;
&gt; I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99. That one I could
&gt; somehow justify because it seemed the TC88 did address quite a few
&gt; problem areas of the Evo. (in a relative sort of way). This move, I
&gt; see more as a forced obsolescence maneuver and a way to drive down the
&gt; value of everything pre-07, with no real gains. The TC 96 will have to
&gt; drink more fuel and I'm not convinced the extra gear will compensate for
&gt; that. I also understand that oxygen sensors or other expensive work
&gt; arounds on the EFI will be necessary for any engine and/or exhaust work.
&gt; I know that's not all Harley's fault but it's still a part of the new
&gt; package.
&gt;
&gt; I know it's a new model year and new prices always go up and used prices
&gt; always drop. Just curious if there are any learned opinions on this
&gt; rather significant move and how you see the used bike market heading.
&gt; This seems a little quick and pointless to me. Or am I missing
&gt; something legit?
&gt;
&gt; Opinions, comments (nasty or nice)? Thanks.
&gt;
&gt; John

Report this message

#8: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 02:37:20 by Randy Wachlin

My 02 Road King is all mine bought and paid for. I could upgrade to a 6
speed and even put in stroker wheels and rods and the with 95 inches get 103
inches a lot cheaper than buying a new 07. Plus. I'd have to start all over
again with all the chrome and whim whams and zoo zoos.I think I'll keep mine
a long time to come. Just Harley's marketing ploy to keep those wanting the
newest toys in the show room.
&quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt; Hey everyone. It's 90 degrees in the shade here in PA A round of your
&gt; favorite - on me.
&gt;
&gt; I don't post here very often and I know somehow I'm goona catch some flack
&gt; on this. I'm trying to get some initial feedback on the newly announced
&gt; changes in the 07 lineup, most importantly for those who haven't seen the
&gt; Harley web site yet, a new TC 96 engine mated with a 6 speed tranny on all
&gt; models (cep't Sporty's).
&gt;
&gt; I'm not trying for a flame war here and there is a selfish motivation for
&gt; my asking. I'm just about to close a deal on an 04 Ultra with 3000
&gt; miles on it - and I have a 2000 FXDWG as my current ride. I'm now in a
&gt; bit of a quandry as to how to juggle this all around.
&gt;
&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined with
&gt; 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is gonna
&gt; tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm looking
&gt; for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;
&gt; I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99. That one I could
&gt; somehow justify because it seemed the TC88 did address quite a few problem
&gt; areas of the Evo. (in a relative sort of way). This move, I see more as
&gt; a forced obsolescence maneuver and a way to drive down the value of
&gt; everything pre-07, with no real gains. The TC 96 will have to drink more
&gt; fuel and I'm not convinced the extra gear will compensate for that. I
&gt; also understand that oxygen sensors or other expensive work arounds on the
&gt; EFI will be necessary for any engine and/or exhaust work. I know that's
&gt; not all Harley's fault but it's still a part of the new package.
&gt;
&gt; I know it's a new model year and new prices always go up and used prices
&gt; always drop. Just curious if there are any learned opinions on this
&gt; rather significant move and how you see the used bike market heading. This
&gt; seems a little quick and pointless to me. Or am I missing something
&gt; legit?
&gt;
&gt; Opinions, comments (nasty or nice)? Thanks.
&gt;
&gt; John
&gt;

Report this message

#9: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:32:17 by Coasty

&quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1Oqdneem6cbj9yDZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">1Oqdneem6cbj9yDZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt; Ladies and guys,
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for the feedback so far. I talked with my dealer a bit this
&gt; morning. According to him, if I can remember all he threw at me:
&gt;
&gt; 1.) Correct - NO more carbs on any bikes.
&gt;
&gt; 2.) New engine is designed with new lower end but the same TC88 cylinders.
&gt; This will allow a &quot;quick&quot; upgrade with a big bore kit - but will take the
&gt; bike immediately to 103 ci. for a much reduced price.
&gt;
&gt; 3.) Oxygen sensors all around. Slip on mufflers will still work but
&gt; newest computer may be more limited in tuning (I'm not sure I buy that
&gt; one). If full header pipes are swapped - more expense in finding kits
&gt; that include 0xygen sensors and proper ability to modify computer. (That
&gt; part I will believe.)
&gt;
&gt; 4.) Strong rumor is that Harley is bailing out of the exhaust market all
&gt; together due to new EPA issues. Possibly by beginning of 07 calendar
&gt; year, they will no longer be offereing any SE mufflers. (This is still
&gt; in the rumor stage but apparently was discussed at the dealer meeting last
&gt; week.)
&gt;
&gt; For what it's worth.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks again.
&gt;
&gt; John
&gt;
Yep, actually I purchased the 50th Anniversary sporty Wednesday and it will
be in August to add to my collection. The owner did confirmed they will be
no longer offering any slip-ons on the 07s. He said some dealers may still
offer the service but not for long it appears of the barking HDs are on
their way out. He said the 07 sportys will be even smoother the factory has
dome some better balancing of the flywheel with some crank shaft minor mods.
I rode one of the rubber mounted sportys a few weeks ago on a demo ride
event and it was night and day from what I have been riding all my life.
Coasty

Report this message

#10: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 16:21:50 by TL Mitchell

&quot;Coasty&quot; &lt;uscg_ret at comcast dot net&gt; wrote

&gt; The owner did confirmed they will be no longer offering any slip-ons on
&gt; the 07s. He said some dealers may still offer the service but not for long
&gt; it appears of the barking HDs are on their way out.

That's interesting.... whole new line of mufflers in the '07 P&amp;A catalog as
well as some new ones in the '07 Screaming Eagle catalog........

112

Report this message

#11: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 16:30:35 by DM at work

TL Mitchell wrote:
&gt; &quot;Coasty&quot; &lt;uscg_ret at comcast dot net&gt; wrote
&gt;
&gt;&gt; The owner did confirmed they will be no longer offering any slip-ons on
&gt;&gt; the 07s. He said some dealers may still offer the service but not for long
&gt;&gt; it appears of the barking HDs are on their way out.
&gt;
&gt; That's interesting.... whole new line of mufflers in the '07 P&amp;A catalog as
&gt; well as some new ones in the '07 Screaming Eagle catalog........
&gt;
&gt; 112
&gt;
&gt;
Well TL obviously you got a pre-release catalog that was made before
that decision...

Hold onto that sucker, its worth a FORTUNE!

Fins BS#221

Report this message

#12: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 16:33:58 by TL Mitchell

&quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote

&gt; 3.) Oxygen sensors all around. Slip on mufflers will still work but
&gt; newest computer may be more limited in tuning (I'm not sure I buy that
&gt; one). If full header pipes are swapped - more expense in finding kits
&gt; that include 0xygen sensors and proper ability to modify computer. (That
&gt; part I will believe.)

This is due to the limitation of ECM downloads available from the MoCo. They
can't possible design a matrix for every combo available........ you can bet
what they will offer will feature their own exhaust products.

As far as the O2 bungs..... Bub Reinhart already offers headers with bungs.
Everybody else will be playing catch-up. Tuning will be interesting... used
to be you'd have the ECM flashed and/or add a Power Commander. Right now
you're kinda limited to a SE Race Tuner.... which IMO, is a better
alternative anyway. For the '06 Dynas Dynojet merely added some caps to
disconnect the O2 sensors at the wiring harness taking 'em out of the loop.
Not exactly taking advantage of the closed-loop capabilites..... The
pre-made software combos for the Race Tuner will probably be as limited as
the ECM matrixes for a while.

I expect to pick up the new barge with a breather and SERT installed.
Eventually I'll have some bungs welded in my dual headers and have it dynoed
to dial it in.

112

Report this message

#13: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:09:52 by TL Mitchell

&quot;DM at work&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fins99&#64;no_spamhotmail.com" target="_blank">fins99&#64;no_spamhotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:572dnVKUcbWWeF3ZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d&#64;comcast.com..." target="_blank">572dnVKUcbWWeF3ZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d&#64;comcast.com...</a>
&gt; TL Mitchell wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;Coasty&quot; &lt;uscg_ret at comcast dot net&gt; wrote
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The owner did confirmed they will be no longer offering any slip-ons on
&gt;&gt;&gt; the 07s. He said some dealers may still offer the service but not for
&gt;&gt;&gt; long it appears of the barking HDs are on their way out.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; That's interesting.... whole new line of mufflers in the '07 P&amp;A catalog
&gt;&gt; as well as some new ones in the '07 Screaming Eagle catalog........
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; 112
&gt; Well TL obviously you got a pre-release catalog that was made before that
&gt; decision...
&gt;
&gt; Hold onto that sucker, its worth a FORTUNE!

WooooHooooo! I'm rich.... RICH I tell ya!

112

Report this message

#14: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:42:07 by Greg O

&quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined with
&gt; 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is gonna
&gt; tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm looking
&gt; for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;
&gt;
I don't see it as a big deal. The engine is the same engine they have been
building for years, just a couple more cubes. The transmission is good, but
then again I also don't see at as a deal breaker.
The improved cam chain set up is the best part of it I see.
If the MOCO had come out with a totally new engine/transmission combo, maybe
water cooled then it would really catch my attention.
To me the '07's look like the same old glacier speed technology changes the
MOCO is famous for!
I am hanging on to my '05 until something &quot;new&quot; comes out!

--
PoorUB
'05 Ultra Classic
'06 MAMBM

Report this message

#15: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 18:13:12 by Tinman

Greg O wrote:
&gt; &quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
&gt;&gt; with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer
&gt;&gt; is gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind.
&gt;&gt; I'm looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt; I don't see it as a big deal. The engine is the same engine they have
&gt; been building for years, just a couple more cubes. The transmission
&gt; is good, but then again I also don't see at as a deal breaker.
&gt; The improved cam chain set up is the best part of it I see.
&gt; If the MOCO had come out with a totally new engine/transmission
&gt; combo, maybe water cooled then it would really catch my attention.

And I'm willing to bet more people would be bitching about that than any
of the changes made this year.


&gt; To me the '07's look like the same old glacier speed technology
&gt; changes the MOCO is famous for!

Regardless, it's the biggest change since the TC-88/TC-88b debuted.


&gt; I am hanging on to my '05 until something &quot;new&quot; comes out!

Soooo, you ain't all that happy about that '05 right about now are ya'?
&lt;g&gt;

I can't imagine being happy right now if I just bought an '06--knowing
that for $400 more I could have gotten closed-loop EFI, 6-speed tranny,
96&quot; motor (with an easy jump to 103&quot;), and redesigned cam-chain
tensioners (among other things).


--
Mike | A 'jiffy' is an actual unit of time for
'04 FLHTCUI | 1/100th of a second.

Report this message

#16: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 18:51:15 by Big Al

Tinman wrote:
&gt; Greg O wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
&gt;&gt;&gt; with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer
&gt;&gt;&gt; is gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind.
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't see it as a big deal. The engine is the same engine they have
&gt;&gt; been building for years, just a couple more cubes. The transmission
&gt;&gt; is good, but then again I also don't see at as a deal breaker.
&gt;&gt; The improved cam chain set up is the best part of it I see.
&gt;&gt; If the MOCO had come out with a totally new engine/transmission
&gt;&gt; combo, maybe water cooled then it would really catch my attention.
&gt;
&gt; And I'm willing to bet more people would be bitching about that than any
&gt; of the changes made this year.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; To me the '07's look like the same old glacier speed technology
&gt;&gt; changes the MOCO is famous for!
&gt;
&gt; Regardless, it's the biggest change since the TC-88/TC-88b debuted.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I am hanging on to my '05 until something &quot;new&quot; comes out!
&gt;
&gt; Soooo, you ain't all that happy about that '05 right about now are ya'?
&gt; &lt;g&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I can't imagine being happy right now if I just bought an '06--knowing
&gt; that for $400 more I could have gotten closed-loop EFI, 6-speed tranny,
&gt; 96&quot; motor (with an easy jump to 103&quot;), and redesigned cam-chain
&gt; tensioners (among other things).
&gt;
&gt;

I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's are
thems that AREN't buyin' one.

--
BS, yes I said &quot;BS&quot; 205
<a href="http://eddiekieger.com/" target="_blank">http://eddiekieger.com/</a>

Report this message

#17: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 19:17:50 by Greg O

&quot;Tinman&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mlynch&#64;REMOVEMEcitlink.net" target="_blank">mlynch&#64;REMOVEMEcitlink.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:4iccneF354d7U1&#64;individual.net..." target="_blank">4iccneF354d7U1&#64;individual.net...</a>
&gt; Greg O wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
&gt;&gt;&gt; with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer
&gt;&gt;&gt; is gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt; looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't see it as a big deal. The engine is the same engine they have
&gt;&gt; been building for years, just a couple more cubes. The transmission
&gt;&gt; is good, but then again I also don't see at as a deal breaker.
&gt;&gt; The improved cam chain set up is the best part of it I see.
&gt;&gt; If the MOCO had come out with a totally new engine/transmission
&gt;&gt; combo, maybe water cooled then it would really catch my attention.
&gt;
&gt; And I'm willing to bet more people would be bitching about that than any
&gt; of the changes made this year.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; To me the '07's look like the same old glacier speed technology
&gt;&gt; changes the MOCO is famous for!
&gt;
&gt; Regardless, it's the biggest change since the TC-88/TC-88b debuted.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I am hanging on to my '05 until something &quot;new&quot; comes out!
&gt;
&gt; Soooo, you ain't all that happy about that '05 right about now are ya'?
&gt; &lt;g&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I can't imagine being happy right now if I just bought an '06--knowing
&gt; that for $400 more I could have gotten closed-loop EFI, 6-speed tranny,
&gt; 96&quot; motor (with an easy jump to 103&quot;), and redesigned cam-chain tensioners
&gt; (among other things).
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Mike | A 'jiffy' is an actual unit of time for
&gt; '04 FLHTCUI | 1/100th of a second.
&gt;

Would I want an '07 over my '05? Sure, but not bad enough to pay the
difference at this point! I have no complaints of my '05. I really don't see
the need for a six speed, desire for one maybe, need? No. I am plenty happy
with the HP of my TC88, I don't have any plans of trying to bump the HP,
hell, I still have the stock muffs on it! The redesigned cam chain
tensioners may be the only real plus, but then give them some time. Time
will tell if the redesign is an improvement or not!
--
PoorUB
'05 Ultra Classic
'06 MAMBM

Report this message

#18: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 19:20:53 by Greg O

&quot;big al&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:44c10603$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1..." target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's are
&gt; thems that AREN't buyin' one.
&gt;
&gt;


??
What would you expect?
Seems reasonable to me!
I just don't see that the difference is enough to get overly excited about
it.

--
PoorUB
'05 Ultra Classic
'06 MAMBM

Report this message

#19: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 19:21:15 by ah104

big al sed:
&gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's are
&gt; thems that AREN't buyin' one.

Rocket Scientist, aren't you...

If I poo-poo something, why would I buy it?

ASSHOLE#104 Len
Leaving the poo-pooing in the toilet.

Report this message

#20: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 19:31:14 by Big Al

AH#104 wrote:
&gt; big al sed:
&gt;&gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's are
&gt;&gt; thems that AREN't buyin' one.
&gt;
&gt; Rocket Scientist, aren't you...
&gt;
&gt; If I poo-poo something, why would I buy it?
&gt;
&gt; ASSHOLE#104 Len
&gt; Leaving the poo-pooing in the toilet.
&gt;
&gt;

Woosh. Sorry, did I knock you hat off?

--
BS, yes I said &quot;BS&quot; 205

Report this message

#21: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 19:38:43 by Big Al

big al wrote:
&gt; AH#104 wrote:
&gt;&gt; big al sed:
&gt;&gt;&gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's
&gt;&gt;&gt; are thems that AREN't buyin' one.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Rocket Scientist, aren't you...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; If I poo-poo something, why would I buy it?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; ASSHOLE#104 Len
&gt;&gt; Leaving the poo-pooing in the toilet.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Woosh. Sorry, did I knock you hat off?
&gt;

Okay, my point is that those who blah blah blah about the various
changes and how they aren't worth the money, not enough and too little
too late, etc, etc, ad nauseum; never mention that they had intentions
of buying the bike to begin with. It's easy and very common for someone
to poo poo something they have no interest in. In fact it happens every
year when the new models come out.

--
BS, yes I said &quot;BS&quot; 205

Report this message

#22: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 19:47:39 by Big Al

Greg O wrote:
&gt; &quot;big al&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:44c10603$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1..." target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1...</a>
&gt;&gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's are
&gt;&gt; thems that AREN't buyin' one.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ??
&gt; What would you expect?

I already stated that...

&gt; Seems reasonable to me!

Why? Lookin' for reasonable? Tinman's post.

&gt; I just don't see that the difference is enough to get overly excited about
&gt; it.
&gt;


Agreed.

--
BS, yes I said &quot;BS&quot; 205
<a href="http://eddiekieger.com/" target="_blank">http://eddiekieger.com/</a>

Report this message

#23: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 20:25:43 by snarl

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:21:15 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;big al sed:
&gt;&gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's are
&gt;&gt; thems that AREN't buyin' one.
&gt;
&gt;Rocket Scientist, aren't you...
&gt;
&gt;If I poo-poo something, why would I buy it?

I read it as th' folks who ain't lookin' for a new bike anyway are th'
ones flappin' yap... but I could be wrong.

Snarl

Report this message

#24: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 20:28:22 by snarl

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:38:43 -0700, big al
&lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;big al wrote:
&gt;&gt; AH#104 wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; big al sed:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; are thems that AREN't buyin' one.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Rocket Scientist, aren't you...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; If I poo-poo something, why would I buy it?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; ASSHOLE#104 Len
&gt;&gt;&gt; Leaving the poo-pooing in the toilet.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Woosh. Sorry, did I knock you hat off?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Okay, my point is that those who blah blah blah about the various
&gt;changes and how they aren't worth the money, not enough and too little
&gt;too late, etc, etc, ad nauseum; never mention that they had intentions
&gt;of buying the bike to begin with. It's easy and very common for someone
&gt;to poo poo something they have no interest in. In fact it happens every
&gt;year when the new models come out.

Oops, shoulda read ahead. Again.

Snarl

Report this message

#25: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:05:39 by ah104

Snarl sed:
&gt; I read it as th' folks who ain't lookin' for a new bike anyway are th'
&gt; ones flappin' yap... but I could be wrong.

That's the way I read it too,,, I guess I'm just not as funny as I used to
be...

It went over Big Al's head and mine!

ASSHOLE#104 Len
Rule #1. Len is never serious about ANYTHING.

Report this message

#26: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:28:00 by randomerror

&quot;Greg O&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:goo1959spam&#64;cableone.net" target="_blank">goo1959spam&#64;cableone.net</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:12c2325sp5le5bd&#64;corp.supernews.com" target="_blank">12c2325sp5le5bd&#64;corp.supernews.com</a>:


&lt;snip&gt;
&gt; Would I want an '07 over my '05? Sure, but not bad enough to pay the
&gt; difference at this point! I have no complaints of my '05. I really
&gt; don't see the need for a six speed, desire for one maybe, need? No. I
&gt; am plenty happy with the HP of my TC88, I don't have any plans of
&gt; trying to bump the HP, hell, I still have the stock muffs on it! The
&gt; redesigned cam chain tensioners may be the only real plus, but then
&gt; give them some time. Time will tell if the redesign is an improvement
&gt; or not!

I've never seen the need for even a five speed. Four speed is more than
enough. Even on a Sportster. I find it in fact a bit ridiculous. Six
speeds were first seen on high rpm and low torque dirtbikes or race
bikes, that made sense. Not on a Harley which seems to get more torque
every year.


--
TK®

Report this message

#27: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:33:46 by Miroslav Vitous

AH#104 wrote:

&gt; Snarl sed:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I read it as th' folks who ain't lookin' for a new bike anyway are th'
&gt;&gt;ones flappin' yap... but I could be wrong.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; That's the way I read it too,,, I guess I'm just not as funny as I used to
&gt; be...
&gt;
&gt; It went over Big Al's head and mine!
&gt;
&gt; ASSHOLE#104 Len
&gt; Rule #1. Len is never serious about ANYTHING.

And who would want an '07 when a perfectly good, road tested '03 is
still available, anyway?

Report this message

#28: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:43:41 by randomerror

Eberhard Weber &lt;<a href="mailto:Jazz&#64;Bass.gov" target="_blank">Jazz&#64;Bass.gov</a>&gt; wrote in
news:G_9wg.3141$<a href="mailto:FI7.1839&#64;fe10.lga" target="_blank">FI7.1839&#64;fe10.lga</a>:

&gt; And who would want an '07 when a perfectly good, road tested '03 is
&gt; still available, anyway?

Yep! '03's forever!
....makes you wonder why some people will get rid of them anyway...:)

--
TK®

Report this message

#29: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:45:35 by Harold Gailey

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:46 -0400, Eberhard Weber &lt;<a href="mailto:Jazz&#64;Bass.gov" target="_blank">Jazz&#64;Bass.gov</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;AH#104 wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Snarl sed:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I read it as th' folks who ain't lookin' for a new bike anyway are th'
&gt;&gt;&gt;ones flappin' yap... but I could be wrong.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; That's the way I read it too,,, I guess I'm just not as funny as I used to
&gt;&gt; be...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It went over Big Al's head and mine!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; ASSHOLE#104 Len
&gt;&gt; Rule #1. Len is never serious about ANYTHING.
&gt;
&gt;And who would want an '07 when a perfectly good, road tested '03 is
&gt;still available, anyway?

You haven't sold that thing yet? You must not be trying too hard, Pan.
--

Harold Gailey - 74 CB 450 Stolen; 74 Z1 900 Traded; 76 FX 1200 Stolen;
78 FX(E) 86ci Daily Rider Nice Weather; 02 FXDX 88ci Daily Rider Other Weather.
<a href="http://mywebpage.netscape.com/hgailey55/instant/photos.html" target="_blank">http://mywebpage.netscape.com/hgailey55/instant/photos.html</a>

Report this message

#30: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:47:26 by Harold Gailey

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:28:00 -0500, &quot;TK®&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:randomerror&#64;_error_hotmail.com" target="_blank">randomerror&#64;_error_hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&quot;Greg O&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:goo1959spam&#64;cableone.net" target="_blank">goo1959spam&#64;cableone.net</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:12c2325sp5le5bd&#64;corp.supernews.com" target="_blank">12c2325sp5le5bd&#64;corp.supernews.com</a>:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt; Would I want an '07 over my '05? Sure, but not bad enough to pay the
&gt;&gt; difference at this point! I have no complaints of my '05. I really
&gt;&gt; don't see the need for a six speed, desire for one maybe, need? No. I
&gt;&gt; am plenty happy with the HP of my TC88, I don't have any plans of
&gt;&gt; trying to bump the HP, hell, I still have the stock muffs on it! The
&gt;&gt; redesigned cam chain tensioners may be the only real plus, but then
&gt;&gt; give them some time. Time will tell if the redesign is an improvement
&gt;&gt; or not!
&gt;
&gt;I've never seen the need for even a five speed. Four speed is more than
&gt;enough. Even on a Sportster. I find it in fact a bit ridiculous. Six
&gt;speeds were first seen on high rpm and low torque dirtbikes or race
&gt;bikes, that made sense. Not on a Harley which seems to get more torque
&gt;every year.

I agree with that. My 4 speed FX ends up running at the same rpm my 02
FXDX runs around 75 or so and it's less work to get there. Of course I
don't have stock sized sprockets on the FX.
--

Harold Gailey - 74 CB 450 Stolen; 74 Z1 900 Traded; 76 FX 1200 Stolen;
78 FX(E) 86ci Daily Rider Nice Weather; 02 FXDX 88ci Daily Rider Other Weather.
<a href="http://mywebpage.netscape.com/hgailey55/instant/photos.html" target="_blank">http://mywebpage.netscape.com/hgailey55/instant/photos.html</a>

Report this message

#31: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:57:04 by Miroslav Vitous

TK® wrote:

&gt; Eberhard Weber &lt;<a href="mailto:Jazz&#64;Bass.gov" target="_blank">Jazz&#64;Bass.gov</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt; news:G_9wg.3141$<a href="mailto:FI7.1839&#64;fe10.lga" target="_blank">FI7.1839&#64;fe10.lga</a>:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;And who would want an '07 when a perfectly good, road tested '03 is
&gt;&gt;still available, anyway?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Yep! '03's forever!
&gt; ...makes you wonder why some people will get rid of them anyway...:)

Bad knees, severe tendentious, been there seen it, have all the t-shirts
I can possibly store.
Butt, I ain't &quot;giving it away&quot;, as I desire I want a fair monetary trade.

Report this message

#32: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:57:31 by snarl

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:05:39 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Snarl sed:
&gt;&gt; I read it as th' folks who ain't lookin' for a new bike anyway are th'
&gt;&gt; ones flappin' yap... but I could be wrong.
&gt;
&gt;That's the way I read it too,,, I guess I'm just not as funny as I used to
&gt;be...
&gt;
&gt;It went over Big Al's head and mine!
&gt;
&gt;ASSHOLE#104 Len
&gt;Rule #1. Len is never serious about ANYTHING.

BULLSHIT!!!

Snarl

Report this message

#33: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 22:36:08 by randomerror

Eberhard Weber &lt;<a href="mailto:Jazz&#64;Bass.gov" target="_blank">Jazz&#64;Bass.gov</a>&gt; wrote in news:skawg.849$<a href="mailto:An.98&#64;fe11.lga" target="_blank">An.98&#64;fe11.lga</a>:

&gt;&gt;&gt;And who would want an '07 when a perfectly good, road tested '03 is
&gt;&gt;&gt;still available, anyway?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Yep! '03's forever!
&gt;&gt; ...makes you wonder why some people will get rid of them anyway...:)
&gt;
&gt; Bad knees, severe tendentious, been there seen it, have all the
&gt; t-shirts I can possibly store.

Damn sorry to hear that. I wish you well.

&gt; Butt, I ain't &quot;giving it away&quot;, as I desire I want a fair monetary
&gt; trade.

From an european monetary perspective the price you are asking for it IS
a 'give away'. Take a look at these prices over here. It's my local
stealer.

<a href="http://www.westcoastmotors.nl/occassions.php#" target="_blank">http://www.westcoastmotors.nl/occassions.php#</a>


Remember that 1 USD = 1.26 EURO.
<a href="http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html" target="_blank">http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html</a>

--
TK®

Report this message

#34: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 23:14:49 by ah104

Snarl sed:
&gt; BULLSHIT!!!

FUCK YOU!

ASSHOLE#104 Len

Report this message

#35: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 23:16:01 by ah104

I sed:
&gt;&gt;I guess I'm just not as funny as I used to be..

Snarl sed:
&gt; BULLSHIT!!!

Heh, I *am* funny....

ASSHOLE#104 Len

Report this message

#36: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 23:18:20 by Miroslav Vitous

AH#104 wrote:
&gt; Snarl sed:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;BULLSHIT!!!

&gt; FUCK YOU!

NEENER NEENER!

Report this message

#37: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 23:22:00 by Miroslav Vitous

AH#104 wrote:

&gt; I sed:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I guess I'm just not as funny as I used to be..
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Snarl sed:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;BULLSHIT!!!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Heh, I *am* funny....

Sez you.

Report this message

#38: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 23:54:07 by snarl

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:14:49 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Snarl sed:
&gt;&gt; BULLSHIT!!!
&gt;
&gt;FUCK YOU!

Put yer money where yer yap is Len. I got $8.00 bucks and a pair of
ice cold Coors that sezzed I can recount at *least* one instance where
you were serious as a mutherfucker.

Feelin' lucky?

Kisses

Snarl

Report this message

#39: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-21 23:56:57 by snarl

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:16:01 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;I sed:
&gt;&gt;&gt;I guess I'm just not as funny as I used to be..
&gt;
&gt;Snarl sed:
&gt;&gt; BULLSHIT!!!
&gt;
&gt;Heh, I *am* funny....

Do you hear that George Thorogood(sp) song playin?

....everybody funny, now you funny too...

Snarl

Report this message

#40: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 00:09:02 by Greg O

&quot;Eberhard Weber&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Jazz&#64;Bass.gov" target="_blank">Jazz&#64;Bass.gov</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:G_9wg.3141$<a href="mailto:FI7.1839&#64;fe10.lga..." target="_blank">FI7.1839&#64;fe10.lga...</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; And who would want an '07 when a perfectly good, road tested '03 is still
&gt; available, anyway?

Especially if the bike is the silver/black anniversary colors! You know they
will all be collector's items someday and worth unbelievable sums of money!!

--
PoorUB
'05 Ultra Classic
'06 MAMBM

Report this message

#41: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 00:27:49 by Miroslav Vitous

<a href="mailto:snarl&#64;tripod.net" target="_blank">snarl&#64;tripod.net</a> wrote:
&gt; On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:14:49 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Snarl sed:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;BULLSHIT!!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;FUCK YOU!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Put yer money where yer yap is Len. I got $8.00 bucks and a pair of
&gt; ice cold Coors that sezzed I can recount at *least* one instance where
&gt; you were serious as a mutherfucker.
&gt;
&gt; Feelin' lucky?
&gt;
&gt; Kisses


Len?
I think _he's_ serious this time.

Report this message

#42: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 00:31:28 by Miroslav Vitous

Greg O wrote:

&gt; &quot;Eberhard Weber&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Jazz&#64;Bass.gov" target="_blank">Jazz&#64;Bass.gov</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:G_9wg.3141$<a href="mailto:FI7.1839&#64;fe10.lga..." target="_blank">FI7.1839&#64;fe10.lga...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;And who would want an '07 when a perfectly good, road tested '03 is still
&gt;&gt;available, anyway?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Especially if the bike is the silver/black anniversary colors! You know they
&gt; will all be collector's items someday and worth unbelievable sums of money!!

Mine's just black-n-beautiful... like my coffee, and the way I prefer my
women.
(don't tell my wife!)

Report this message

#43: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 00:46:57 by Coasty

&quot;TL Mitchell&quot; &lt;tlmitchell99(MyJohnson)@earthlink.net&gt; wrote in message
news:2q5wg.2832$<a href="mailto:bP5.1124&#64;newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net..." target="_blank">bP5.1124&#64;newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...</a>
&gt; &quot;Coasty&quot; &lt;uscg_ret at comcast dot net&gt; wrote
&gt;
&gt;&gt; The owner did confirmed they will be no longer offering any slip-ons on
&gt;&gt; the 07s. He said some dealers may still offer the service but not for
&gt;&gt; long it appears of the barking HDs are on their way out.
&gt;
&gt; That's interesting.... whole new line of mufflers in the '07 P&amp;A catalog
&gt; as well as some new ones in the '07 Screaming Eagle catalog........
&gt;
&gt; 112

As I said this particular dealer will not offer any mods such as slip-ons I
checked a couple others and they will offer the service. Don't ask me but
kinda of fickle. Next thing they all will be E85 fuelers.
Coasty

Report this message

#44: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 00:55:20 by Coasty

&quot;Tinman&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mlynch&#64;REMOVEMEcitlink.net" target="_blank">mlynch&#64;REMOVEMEcitlink.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:4iccneF354d7U1&#64;individual.net..." target="_blank">4iccneF354d7U1&#64;individual.net...</a>
&gt; Greg O wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;JohnK&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">johnkpa&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">g8udnaVpHO5vmSHZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
&gt;&gt;&gt; with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer
&gt;&gt;&gt; is gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm
&gt;&gt;&gt; looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't see it as a big deal. The engine is the same engine they have
&gt;&gt; been building for years, just a couple more cubes. The transmission
&gt;&gt; is good, but then again I also don't see at as a deal breaker.
&gt;&gt; The improved cam chain set up is the best part of it I see.
&gt;&gt; If the MOCO had come out with a totally new engine/transmission
&gt;&gt; combo, maybe water cooled then it would really catch my attention.
&gt;
&gt; And I'm willing to bet more people would be bitching about that than any
&gt; of the changes made this year.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; To me the '07's look like the same old glacier speed technology
&gt;&gt; changes the MOCO is famous for!
&gt;
&gt; Regardless, it's the biggest change since the TC-88/TC-88b debuted.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I am hanging on to my '05 until something &quot;new&quot; comes out!
&gt;
&gt; Soooo, you ain't all that happy about that '05 right about now are ya'?
&gt; &lt;g&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I can't imagine being happy right now if I just bought an '06--knowing
&gt; that for $400 more I could have gotten closed-loop EFI, 6-speed tranny,
&gt; 96&quot; motor (with an easy jump to 103&quot;), and redesigned cam-chain tensioners
&gt; (among other things).
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Mike | A 'jiffy' is an actual unit of time for
&gt; '04 FLHTCUI | 1/100th of a second.
True, I know I would be pissed but HD would not let the cat out of the bag
their 06 sales would not be good because everyone would be waiting for the
07 models. Wish crystal balls work.

Coasty

Report this message

#45: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 03:00:42 by DM at work

big al wrote:
&gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's are
&gt; thems that AREN't buyin' one.
&gt;

No shit brainiac. There's a reason they ain't buying 'em. Why would you
dismiss it if you WERE buying one?

Fins BS#221

Report this message

#46: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 03:51:21 by ah104

Snarl axed:
&gt; Feelin' lucky?

Are you talking AMH?
I am...
Ain't no thing to get serious about in here.

But I'd buy you the Coors in any case, and if you took PayPal, I'd even send
the 8 bucks.

ASSHOLE#104 Len

Report this message

#47: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 16:41:33 by Big Al

DM at work wrote:
&gt; big al wrote:
&gt; &gt; I find it interesting (expected) that the ones poo-pooin' the /07's are
&gt;&gt; thems that AREN't buyin' one.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; No shit brainiac. There's a reason they ain't buying 'em. Why would you
&gt; dismiss it if you WERE buying one?
&gt;
&gt; Fins BS#221

I must have missed the part in every one of their posts (in several
newsgroups) where the nay sayers stated or even alluded that they were
ever intending on buying one to begin with. Probably would have went
something like this:

&quot;I was thinking, pondering, musing, considering, etc, etc, etc, about
buying one of the new '07 HD motorcycles, but decided not to for the
various reasons (already stated), blah, blah, blah.&quot;

Oh I get it now, you imagined that's what they were thinking. Thank you
Kreskin.

--
BS, yes I said &quot;BS&quot; 205
<a href="http://eddiekieger.com/" target="_blank">http://eddiekieger.com/</a>

Report this message

#48: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:02:00 by Big Al

TK® wrote:
&gt; Eberhard Weber &lt;<a href="mailto:Jazz&#64;Bass.gov" target="_blank">Jazz&#64;Bass.gov</a>&gt; wrote in news:skawg.849$<a href="mailto:An.98&#64;fe11.lga" target="_blank">An.98&#64;fe11.lga</a>:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; And who would want an '07 when a perfectly good, road tested '03 is
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; still available, anyway?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Yep! '03's forever!
&gt;&gt;&gt; ...makes you wonder why some people will get rid of them anyway...:)
&gt;&gt; Bad knees, severe tendentious, been there seen it, have all the
&gt;&gt; t-shirts I can possibly store.
&gt;
&gt; Damn sorry to hear that. I wish you well.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Butt, I ain't &quot;giving it away&quot;, as I desire I want a fair monetary
&gt;&gt; trade.
&gt;
&gt; From an european monetary perspective the price you are asking for it IS
&gt; a 'give away'. Take a look at these prices over here. It's my local
&gt; stealer.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.westcoastmotors.nl/occassions.php#" target="_blank">http://www.westcoastmotors.nl/occassions.php#</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Remember that 1 USD = 1.26 EURO.
&gt; <a href="http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html" target="_blank">http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html</a>
&gt;

Wow, have I got a deal for you.

--
BS, yes I said &quot;BS&quot; 205
<a href="http://eddiekieger.com/" target="_blank">http://eddiekieger.com/</a>

Report this message

#49: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:50:50 by randomerror

big al &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:44c23de8$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1</a>:

&gt;&gt;&gt; Butt, I ain't &quot;giving it away&quot;, as I desire I want a fair monetary
&gt;&gt;&gt; trade.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; From an european monetary perspective the price you are asking for it
&gt;&gt; IS a 'give away'. Take a look at these prices over here. It's my
&gt;&gt; local stealer.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.westcoastmotors.nl/occassions.php#" target="_blank">http://www.westcoastmotors.nl/occassions.php#</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Remember that 1 USD = 1.26 EURO.
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html" target="_blank">http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Wow, have I got a deal for you.

Heh, I'm sure you have :) But I'm afraid that's not an option. Dutch
government and some european rules make it very difficult and very
expensive to import a motorcycle (or car) yourself.

You pay shipping cost, taxes, Custom, another stupid tax and have
to let it check if it's 'roadworthy' to get a license plate. Even if
it's almost new. Not to mention the weeks or months this is gonna take.

Some people did import a bike from the US and discovered that the older
the bike, the more you benefit from it. The bike has to be at least 9
years or older if you want to make a (very small) buck. To make a long
story short: It isn't worth the hassle and the cost will practically be
the same as you buy a bike that came through the 'normal'import
channels.

--
TK®

Report this message

#50: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 17:56:35 by Big Al

TK® wrote:
&gt; big al &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt; news:44c23de8$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1</a>:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Butt, I ain't &quot;giving it away&quot;, as I desire I want a fair monetary
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; trade.
&gt;&gt;&gt; From an european monetary perspective the price you are asking for it
&gt;&gt;&gt; IS a 'give away'. Take a look at these prices over here. It's my
&gt;&gt;&gt; local stealer.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.westcoastmotors.nl/occassions.php#" target="_blank">http://www.westcoastmotors.nl/occassions.php#</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Remember that 1 USD = 1.26 EURO.
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html" target="_blank">http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Wow, have I got a deal for you.
&gt;
&gt; Heh, I'm sure you have :) But I'm afraid that's not an option. Dutch
&gt; government and some european rules make it very difficult and very
&gt; expensive to import a motorcycle (or car) yourself.
&gt;


So you're telling me that drugs are easier and cheaper to get in Holland
than motorcycles? ;-)

-al

Report this message

#51: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 19:18:20 by randomerror

big al &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:44c24ab3$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1</a>:

&gt;&gt; Heh, I'm sure you have :) But I'm afraid that's not an option. Dutch
&gt;&gt; government and some european rules make it very difficult and very
&gt;&gt; expensive to import a motorcycle (or car) yourself.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; So you're telling me that drugs are easier and cheaper to get in
&gt; Holland than motorcycles? ;-)

That's right! No taxes or whatsoever on that stuff. Hell, some of the
drugs are 'homegrown' here. No need for import! ;)

The government is out of his mind overhere. It's forbidden to grow or
import cannabis, hashish, marijuana, mushrooms, smart drugs and cannabis
seeds but it's legal to sell and buy it here in 'coffee shops'.
<a href="http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/" target="_blank">http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/</a>

....but no one can explain where those 1000 coffee shops gets the stuff
they're selling...

--
TK®

Report this message

#52: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 19:41:49 by Big Al

TK® wrote:
&gt; big al &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt; news:44c24ab3$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1</a>:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Heh, I'm sure you have :) But I'm afraid that's not an option. Dutch
&gt;&gt;&gt; government and some european rules make it very difficult and very
&gt;&gt;&gt; expensive to import a motorcycle (or car) yourself.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; So you're telling me that drugs are easier and cheaper to get in
&gt;&gt; Holland than motorcycles? ;-)
&gt;
&gt; That's right! No taxes or whatsoever on that stuff. Hell, some of the
&gt; drugs are 'homegrown' here. No need for import! ;)
&gt;
&gt; The government is out of his mind overhere. It's forbidden to grow or
&gt; import cannabis, hashish, marijuana, mushrooms, smart drugs and cannabis
&gt; seeds but it's legal to sell and buy it here in 'coffee shops'.
&gt; <a href="http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/" target="_blank">http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt; ...but no one can explain where those 1000 coffee shops gets the stuff
&gt; they're selling...
&gt;

here: <a href="http://www.sensiseeds.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sensiseeds.com/</a>

everyone know that ;-)

--
BS, yes I said &quot;BS&quot; 205
<a href="http://eddiekieger.com/" target="_blank">http://eddiekieger.com/</a>

Report this message

#53: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:18:03 by snarl

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:51:21 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Snarl axed:
&gt;&gt; Feelin' lucky?
&gt;
&gt;Are you talking AMH?

Nope, th' scar on Phil B's arm &lt;g&gt;.

&gt;I am...
&gt;Ain't no thing to get serious about in here.

My crystal ball is in th' shop again...

&gt;But I'd buy you the Coors in any case, and if you took PayPal, I'd even send
&gt;the 8 bucks.

I knew that. Likewise.

Speakin' of shitty service, we rent a couple of porta shitters for th'
ParTay weekend every year for about $100.00 per. Jeanne called a
newer outfit in town and we got 'em for $70.00 per... that's some real
coldbeer money there! Then yesterday I was talkin' about my great
savings to th' local tavern owner who has one of th' expensive guys
shitters and he tells me he gets it for $45 per mo! So I did what any
full O' shit murdersickle tramp would do, I took a *big*, stinkin'
PayPal in it.

Snarl... I don't like PayPal

Report this message

#54: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:27:23 by randomerror

big al &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:44c2635d$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1</a>:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Heh, I'm sure you have :) But I'm afraid that's not an option.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Dutch government and some european rules make it very difficult and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; very expensive to import a motorcycle (or car) yourself.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; So you're telling me that drugs are easier and cheaper to get in
&gt;&gt;&gt; Holland than motorcycles? ;-)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; That's right! No taxes or whatsoever on that stuff. Hell, some of the
&gt;&gt; drugs are 'homegrown' here. No need for import! ;)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The government is out of his mind overhere. It's forbidden to grow or
&gt;&gt; import cannabis, hashish, marijuana, mushrooms, smart drugs and
&gt;&gt; cannabis seeds but it's legal to sell and buy it here in 'coffee
&gt;&gt; shops'. <a href="http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/" target="_blank">http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; ...but no one can explain where those 1000 coffee shops gets the
&gt;&gt; stuff they're selling...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; here: <a href="http://www.sensiseeds.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sensiseeds.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt; everyone know that ;-)


Heheh! Yeah I know, but that are only the seeds. It's illegal to grow
them in larger amounts. But they say it's very lucrative to grow them
and sell them to coffee shops...but it remains illegal though.

--
TK®

Report this message

#55: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:33:25 by snarl

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:18:20 -0500, &quot;TK®&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:randomerror&#64;_error_hotmail.com" target="_blank">randomerror&#64;_error_hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;big al &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;news:44c24ab3$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1</a>:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Heh, I'm sure you have :) But I'm afraid that's not an option. Dutch
&gt;&gt;&gt; government and some european rules make it very difficult and very
&gt;&gt;&gt; expensive to import a motorcycle (or car) yourself.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; So you're telling me that drugs are easier and cheaper to get in
&gt;&gt; Holland than motorcycles? ;-)
&gt;
&gt;That's right! No taxes or whatsoever on that stuff. Hell, some of the
&gt;drugs are 'homegrown' here. No need for import! ;)
&gt;
&gt;The government is out of his mind overhere. It's forbidden to grow or
&gt;import cannabis, hashish, marijuana, mushrooms, smart drugs and cannabis
&gt;seeds but it's legal to sell and buy it here in 'coffee shops'.
&gt;<a href="http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/" target="_blank">http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt;...but no one can explain where those 1000 coffee shops gets the stuff
&gt;they're selling...

Being of Dutch heritage (100%) it makes perfect sense to me. Never
seen a more hypocritical bunch of mutherfuckers than my guilt ridden,
Dutch Christian Reformed extended family &lt;g&gt;.

Snarl

Report this message

#56: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:38:56 by Big Al

<a href="mailto:snarl&#64;tripod.net" target="_blank">snarl&#64;tripod.net</a> wrote:
&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:18:20 -0500, &quot;TK®&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:randomerror&#64;_error_hotmail.com" target="_blank">randomerror&#64;_error_hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; big al &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in
&gt;&gt; news:44c24ab3$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1</a>:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Heh, I'm sure you have :) But I'm afraid that's not an option. Dutch
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; government and some european rules make it very difficult and very
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; expensive to import a motorcycle (or car) yourself.
&gt;&gt;&gt; So you're telling me that drugs are easier and cheaper to get in
&gt;&gt;&gt; Holland than motorcycles? ;-)
&gt;&gt; That's right! No taxes or whatsoever on that stuff. Hell, some of the
&gt;&gt; drugs are 'homegrown' here. No need for import! ;)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The government is out of his mind overhere. It's forbidden to grow or
&gt;&gt; import cannabis, hashish, marijuana, mushrooms, smart drugs and cannabis
&gt;&gt; seeds but it's legal to sell and buy it here in 'coffee shops'.
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/" target="_blank">http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; ...but no one can explain where those 1000 coffee shops gets the stuff
&gt;&gt; they're selling...
&gt;
&gt; Being of Dutch heritage (100%) it makes perfect sense to me. Never
&gt; seen a more hypocritical bunch of mutherfuckers than my guilt ridden,
&gt; Dutch Christian Reformed extended family &lt;g&gt;.
&gt;
&gt; Snarl
&gt;

Hey Von Dutch, does snarl know you're usin' his name on the internet?

--
BS, yes I said &quot;BS&quot; 205
<a href="http://eddiekieger.com/" target="_blank">http://eddiekieger.com/</a>

Report this message

#57: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 21:17:30 by randomerror

<a href="mailto:snarl&#64;tripod.net" target="_blank">snarl&#64;tripod.net</a> wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:tlr4c2lj35pk53hmalf4ld958k7q2fa1k3&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">tlr4c2lj35pk53hmalf4ld958k7q2fa1k3&#64;4ax.com</a>:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;&gt;The government is out of his mind overhere. It's forbidden to grow or
&gt;&gt;import cannabis, hashish, marijuana, mushrooms, smart drugs and
&gt;&gt;cannabis seeds but it's legal to sell and buy it here in 'coffee
&gt;&gt;shops'. <a href="http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/" target="_blank">http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;...but no one can explain where those 1000 coffee shops gets the stuff
&gt;&gt;they're selling...
&gt;
&gt; Being of Dutch heritage (100%) it makes perfect sense to me. Never
&gt; seen a more hypocritical bunch of mutherfuckers than my guilt ridden,
&gt; Dutch Christian Reformed extended family &lt;g&gt;.

Bwahahahaha!
Jeez...Dutch Christian Reformed. Even in Holland nowadays they're a
scary bunch. Some still think it's 1857 &lt;g!&gt;

--
TK®

Report this message

#58: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 22:03:05 by ah104

Snarl sed:
&gt; Nope, th' scar on Phil B's arm &lt;g&gt;.

?? I missed that one...

&gt;...we rent a couple of porta shitters for th'
&gt;ParTay weekend every year for about $100.00 per.
&gt;Jeanne called a newer outfit in town and we got 'em for $70.00 per...

I've been meaning to ask around to see what people are payin' for that...
thanks, just saved me a Coors Question. &lt;g&gt;

I've been checking the internet butt, nobody has any prices, so I gotta call
when I get back down to SC next week.

ASSHOLE#104 Len
In NJ - the great Wet East

Report this message

#59: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 22:05:32 by snarl

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:17:30 -0500, &quot;TK®&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:randomerror&#64;_error_hotmail.com" target="_blank">randomerror&#64;_error_hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;<a href="mailto:snarl&#64;tripod.net" target="_blank">snarl&#64;tripod.net</a> wrote in
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:tlr4c2lj35pk53hmalf4ld958k7q2fa1k3&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">tlr4c2lj35pk53hmalf4ld958k7q2fa1k3&#64;4ax.com</a>:
&gt;
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The government is out of his mind overhere. It's forbidden to grow or
&gt;&gt;&gt;import cannabis, hashish, marijuana, mushrooms, smart drugs and
&gt;&gt;&gt;cannabis seeds but it's legal to sell and buy it here in 'coffee
&gt;&gt;&gt;shops'. <a href="http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/" target="_blank">http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;...but no one can explain where those 1000 coffee shops gets the stuff
&gt;&gt;&gt;they're selling...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Being of Dutch heritage (100%) it makes perfect sense to me. Never
&gt;&gt; seen a more hypocritical bunch of mutherfuckers than my guilt ridden,
&gt;&gt; Dutch Christian Reformed extended family &lt;g&gt;.
&gt;
&gt;Bwahahahaha!
&gt;Jeez...Dutch Christian Reformed. Even in Holland nowadays they're a
&gt;scary bunch. Some still think it's 1857 &lt;g!&gt;

Yeah, I know. Imagine bein' a kid raised in that environment! It's
no wonder I'm a fuckin' lunatic. Well, a happy lunatic anyway...
despite their best efforts &lt;g&gt;.

Snarl

Report this message

#60: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 23:03:33 by snarl

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:03:05 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Snarl sed:
&gt;&gt; Nope, th' scar on Phil B's arm &lt;g&gt;.
&gt;
&gt;?? I missed that one...

&lt;sigh&gt; Never as good when ya gotta 'splain 'em.

Anyway, you'd said &quot;Rule #1. Len is never serious about ANYTHING.&quot; I
called BULLSHIT!!!. You were awful damned serious about pourin' oil
under Phil B's bike that year at th' ParTay... you remember, th' time
Amanda was ridin' his bike when it blew an oil line?

His bike was still hotter'n hell when ya pointed out th' *new* leak
and in th' process of checkin' it out, Phil burned his arm on th'
pipes. Remember that now? Phil does &lt;g&gt;.

&gt;&gt;...we rent a couple of porta shitters for th'
&gt;&gt;ParTay weekend every year for about $100.00 per.
&gt;&gt;Jeanne called a newer outfit in town and we got 'em for $70.00 per...
&gt;
&gt;I've been meaning to ask around to see what people are payin' for that...
&gt;thanks, just saved me a Coors Question. &lt;g&gt;

No charge. Lots cheaper than replacin' th' fuckin' drain field like
we had to do in '02 after 50+ people used th' bathrooms inna house,
pretty much 24/7 for three+ days. That one cost me a couple grand.
Amanda and Red both had th' same problem at theirs... coincidence?

Snarl

Report this message

#61: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-22 23:43:04 by ah104

Snarl sed:
&gt;His bike was still hotter'n hell when ya pointed
&gt;out th' *new* leak and in th' process of checkin'
&gt;it out, Phil burned his arm on th' pipes.
&gt;Remember that now? Phil does &lt;g&gt;.

Heh, I thought that's what you were talkin' about, but I wasn't *serious*
about doin' it... That's what threw me.
*I* was havin' FUN!

You say Phil remembers it, huh? Too bad... for me, probably.

&gt;Lots cheaper than replacin' th' fuckin' drain field like
&gt;we had to do in '02 after 50+ people used th' bathrooms
&gt;inna house, pretty much 24/7 for three+ days.
&gt;That one cost me a couple grand.
&gt;Amanda and Red both had th' same problem at theirs... coincidence?

I hear ya.... I don't think I'm gonna have that many, but I *do* want to cut
down on people pissin' in the pool. We *do* have a lake if they need to
bathe or pee.

ASSHOLE#104 Len

Report this message

#62: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:06:17 by Miroslav Vitous

AH#104 wrote:

&gt; Snarl sed:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;His bike was still hotter'n hell when ya pointed
&gt;&gt;out th' *new* leak and in th' process of checkin'
&gt;&gt;it out, Phil burned his arm on th' pipes.
&gt;&gt;Remember that now? Phil does &lt;g&gt;.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Heh, I thought that's what you were talkin' about, but I wasn't *serious*
&gt; about doin' it... That's what threw me.
&gt; *I* was havin' FUN!
&gt;
&gt; You say Phil remembers it, huh? Too bad... for me, probably.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Lots cheaper than replacin' th' fuckin' drain field like
&gt;&gt;we had to do in '02 after 50+ people used th' bathrooms
&gt;&gt;inna house, pretty much 24/7 for three+ days.
&gt;&gt;That one cost me a couple grand.
&gt;&gt;Amanda and Red both had th' same problem at theirs... coincidence?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I hear ya.... I don't think I'm gonna have that many, but I *do* want to cut
&gt; down on people pissin' in the pool. We *do* have a lake if they need to
&gt; bathe or pee.

And does said lake have a filtration system?
Heck! Fish fuck in there too!

Report this message

#63: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:29:11 by snarl

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:43:04 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&lt;schnipp&gt;

&gt;Heh, I thought that's what you were talkin' about, but I wasn't *serious*
&gt;about doin' it... That's what threw me.
&gt;*I* was havin' FUN!

BULLSHIT!!! You were damned serious about havin' that fun... th' two
ain't mutually exclusive ya know. I watched th' entire ordeal unfold
from th' deck... 8' above yer head.

&gt;You say Phil remembers it, huh?

Everytime he notices that scar.

&gt;Too bad... for me, probably.

Payback... I just hope I'm there to see that one too ; P

&gt;&gt;Lots cheaper than replacin' th' fuckin' drain field like
&gt;&gt;we had to do in '02 after 50+ people used th' bathrooms
&gt;&gt;inna house, pretty much 24/7 for three+ days.
&gt;&gt;That one cost me a couple grand.
&gt;&gt;Amanda and Red both had th' same problem at theirs... coincidence?
&gt;
&gt;I hear ya.... I don't think I'm gonna have that many, but I *do* want to cut
&gt;down on people pissin' in the pool. We *do* have a lake if they need to
&gt;bathe or pee.

Yeah. me too, we live on an Island, remember?

Oh yeah, make sure ya get extra butt riggin', air fresheners and some
of those glow sticks to guide 'em in after dark. Seriously.

Snarl

Report this message

#64: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:38:38 by ah104

Snarl sed:
&gt; Payback... I just hope I'm there to see that one too ; P

Considering the geography, you probably will be.

&gt; Oh yeah, make sure ya get extra butt riggin',

check

&gt;air fresheners and

check

&gt;some of those glow sticks to guide 'em in after dark.

check

&gt;Seriously.

I know ya are...

I'M NOT!! &lt;g&gt;

ASSHOLE#104 Len

Report this message

#65: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:56:43 by snarl

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:38:38 GMT, &quot;AH#104&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net" target="_blank">ah104&#64;yourhatatt.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Snarl sed:
&gt;&gt; Payback... I just hope I'm there to see that one too ; P
&gt;
&gt;Considering the geography, you probably will be.

If at all possible, I will.

&gt;&gt; Oh yeah, make sure ya get extra butt riggin',
&gt;
&gt;check
&gt;
&gt;&gt;air fresheners and
&gt;
&gt;check
&gt;
&gt;&gt;some of those glow sticks to guide 'em in after dark.
&gt;
&gt;check
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Seriously.
&gt;
&gt;I know ya are...
&gt;
&gt;I'M NOT!! &lt;g&gt;

BULLSHIT!!!

Snarl

Report this message

#66: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-23 04:41:03 by Phil Boutros

<a href="mailto:snarl&#64;tripod.net" target="_blank">snarl&#64;tripod.net</a> &lt;<a href="mailto:snarl&#64;tripod.net" target="_blank">snarl&#64;tripod.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;You say Phil remembers it, huh?
&gt;
&gt; Everytime he notices that scar.

Heck, hadn't noticed it in a while...&lt;peeks&gt;...Damn, that
fucker's still there! It's fading, though (or blending in with the
other scars. Plus, I've been getting a tan this year...

&gt;&gt;Too bad... for me, probably.
&gt;
&gt; Payback... I just hope I'm there to see that one too ; P

You give me way too much credit for holding a grudge! Now, if
I actually thought there was malicious intent in the act, that would
be a different story...But I differed to Len's #1 rule (about that
incident, anyway)!


Phil...&quot;I end up in the weirdest threads without knowing it!&quot; Asshole(tm)...
--
AH#61 Wolf#14 BS#89 bus#1 CCB#1 SENS <a href="mailto:philb&#64;total.net" target="_blank">philb&#64;total.net</a>
<a href="http://ah61.com" target="_blank">http://ah61.com</a> EKIII rides with me. <a href="http://eddiekieger.com" target="_blank">http://eddiekieger.com</a>
&quot;I know some day, the righteous will rejoice and sing.&quot; - Warrior King

Report this message

#67: Re: 07 Changes

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:16:40 by Spunky the Tuna

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:18:20 -0400, TK® wrote:

&gt; That's right! No taxes or whatsoever on that stuff. Hell, some of the
&gt; drugs are 'homegrown' here. No need for import! ;)
&gt;
&gt; The government is out of his mind overhere. It's forbidden to grow or
&gt; import cannabis, hashish, marijuana, mushrooms, smart drugs and cannabis
&gt; seeds but it's legal to sell and buy it here in 'coffee shops'.
&gt; <a href="http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/" target="_blank">http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt; ...but no one can explain where those 1000 coffee shops gets the stuff
&gt; they're selling...

It's from the Ganja Fairy.
--
Spunky the Tuna
always steer toward the llamas...

Report this message