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#1: AAAARGH! Starting/running problems in 88 Jetta GLI

Posted on 2006-07-23 05:55:47 by Mad Maxine

Okay. I'm now having some starting/running issues. I noticed last night
a little sputter while I was driving. I noticed another this morning on
a short but steepish incline.

Then, I replaced my clutch/brake pedal bracket. In the process I
disconnected dashboard wiring, removed the air duct behind the steering
wheel, pulled two relays that were in the way, and disconnected the
plugs of a large wiring harness located near the heater core. I put
everything back together.

I started the car, and it ran fine for about two or three minutes while
I adjusted the clutch cable. Then, I backed out and drove around the
lot a bit, and it died on me, kind of breathily. I got it started, it
ran poorly, I parked it, it died. My first thought was that, the clutch
needed some adjustment. So I did that, put the car in neutral, and
tried to start it again (on a slight incline). It just cranked and
cranked, but no start. I disconnected the ignition control unit for a
few minutes, then plugged it back in. It started again, but died.

I thought maybe I ran it out of gas, which could explain the previous
sputters. I added a gallon. It started up again. I thought it was good,
then I tried to drive it around the lot again. It acted up, got
breathy, and quit. I started it successfully again, put in neutral and
gave it gas. It was sputtery and back fired a couple of times. Once
really loudly, and a white puff of smoke issued from the front of the
car near the air intake.

Are these symptoms of not having enough gas or running the car out of
gas? Did I screw something up by unplugging things? Everything else
(lights, radio, wipers, etc.) work.

Help!

Maxine

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#2: Re: AAAARGH! Starting/running problems in 88 Jetta GLI

Posted on 2006-07-23 06:38:26 by One out of many daves

16V engine?
What is "kind of breathily"?

You should make sure that you have both fuel pumps working and fuel coming
out of the injectors, at least one of them.
Make sure you have proper spark.
How is that large intake boot? Got a crack in it too?

--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

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&gt; Okay. I'm now having some starting/running issues. I noticed last night
&gt; a little sputter while I was driving. I noticed another this morning on
&gt; a short but steepish incline.
&gt;
&gt; Then, I replaced my clutch/brake pedal bracket. In the process I
&gt; disconnected dashboard wiring, removed the air duct behind the steering
&gt; wheel, pulled two relays that were in the way, and disconnected the
&gt; plugs of a large wiring harness located near the heater core. I put
&gt; everything back together.
&gt;
&gt; I started the car, and it ran fine for about two or three minutes while
&gt; I adjusted the clutch cable. Then, I backed out and drove around the
&gt; lot a bit, and it died on me, kind of breathily. I got it started, it
&gt; ran poorly, I parked it, it died. My first thought was that, the clutch
&gt; needed some adjustment. So I did that, put the car in neutral, and
&gt; tried to start it again (on a slight incline). It just cranked and
&gt; cranked, but no start. I disconnected the ignition control unit for a
&gt; few minutes, then plugged it back in. It started again, but died.
&gt;
&gt; I thought maybe I ran it out of gas, which could explain the previous
&gt; sputters. I added a gallon. It started up again. I thought it was good,
&gt; then I tried to drive it around the lot again. It acted up, got
&gt; breathy, and quit. I started it successfully again, put in neutral and
&gt; gave it gas. It was sputtery and back fired a couple of times. Once
&gt; really loudly, and a white puff of smoke issued from the front of the
&gt; car near the air intake.
&gt;
&gt; Are these symptoms of not having enough gas or running the car out of
&gt; gas? Did I screw something up by unplugging things? Everything else
&gt; (lights, radio, wipers, etc.) work.
&gt;
&gt; Help!
&gt;
&gt; Maxine
&gt;

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#3: Re: AAAARGH! Starting/running problems in 88 Jetta GLI

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:05:46 by Jonny

&quot;Mad Maxine&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tildathetank&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tildathetank&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1153626947.244192.258700&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1153626947.244192.258700&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; Okay. I'm now having some starting/running issues. I noticed last night
&gt; a little sputter while I was driving. I noticed another this morning on
&gt; a short but steepish incline.
&gt;
&gt; Then, I replaced my clutch/brake pedal bracket. In the process I
&gt; disconnected dashboard wiring, removed the air duct behind the steering
&gt; wheel, pulled two relays that were in the way, and disconnected the
&gt; plugs of a large wiring harness located near the heater core. I put
&gt; everything back together.
&gt;
&gt; I started the car, and it ran fine for about two or three minutes while
&gt; I adjusted the clutch cable. Then, I backed out and drove around the
&gt; lot a bit, and it died on me, kind of breathily. I got it started, it
&gt; ran poorly, I parked it, it died. My first thought was that, the clutch
&gt; needed some adjustment. So I did that, put the car in neutral, and
&gt; tried to start it again (on a slight incline). It just cranked and
&gt; cranked, but no start. I disconnected the ignition control unit for a
&gt; few minutes, then plugged it back in. It started again, but died.
&gt;
&gt; I thought maybe I ran it out of gas, which could explain the previous
&gt; sputters. I added a gallon. It started up again. I thought it was good,
&gt; then I tried to drive it around the lot again. It acted up, got
&gt; breathy, and quit. I started it successfully again, put in neutral and
&gt; gave it gas. It was sputtery and back fired a couple of times. Once
&gt; really loudly, and a white puff of smoke issued from the front of the
&gt; car near the air intake.
&gt;
&gt; Are these symptoms of not having enough gas or running the car out of
&gt; gas? Did I screw something up by unplugging things? Everything else
&gt; (lights, radio, wipers, etc.) work.
&gt;
&gt; Help!
&gt;
&gt; Maxine
&gt;

Only wiring big wiring harness near the heater core in same year Fox is to
the computer/black box. Car will run very poorly or not at all if not
connected properly. The ground of the battery should be disconnected first
prior to connecting or disconnecting this wiring harness.
--
Jonny

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#4: Re: AAAARGH! Starting/running problems in 88 Jetta GLI

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:45:47 by Mad Maxine

The wiring harness connection I disconnected is a black, rectangular
double-sidded plug with about 16 tab-type connectors in it. This
connector clips to a little metal bracket just up behind the dash. I
think the computer is on the opposite side of the heater core. I had
the positive disconnected from the battery before beginning all this.

I'm also planning on checking the air intake boots for leaks. It got
late while I was working on the car, and I ran out of time at the shop
(and it was really freakin' hot for Seattle). I will go back today and
evaluate a bunch of stuff.

FYI: I don't know how to describe &quot;breathy&quot; other than it sounded like
the car lost back-pressure and kind of inhaled before it died.

Do I need to reset some kind of electronic gizmo?

Thanks,
Maxine

Jonny wrote:
&gt; &quot;Mad Maxine&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tildathetank&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">tildathetank&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1153626947.244192.258700&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1153626947.244192.258700&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; Okay. I'm now having some starting/running issues. I noticed last night
&gt; &gt; a little sputter while I was driving. I noticed another this morning on
&gt; &gt; a short but steepish incline.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Then, I replaced my clutch/brake pedal bracket. In the process I
&gt; &gt; disconnected dashboard wiring, removed the air duct behind the steering
&gt; &gt; wheel, pulled two relays that were in the way, and disconnected the
&gt; &gt; plugs of a large wiring harness located near the heater core. I put
&gt; &gt; everything back together.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I started the car, and it ran fine for about two or three minutes while
&gt; &gt; I adjusted the clutch cable. Then, I backed out and drove around the
&gt; &gt; lot a bit, and it died on me, kind of breathily. I got it started, it
&gt; &gt; ran poorly, I parked it, it died. My first thought was that, the clutch
&gt; &gt; needed some adjustment. So I did that, put the car in neutral, and
&gt; &gt; tried to start it again (on a slight incline). It just cranked and
&gt; &gt; cranked, but no start. I disconnected the ignition control unit for a
&gt; &gt; few minutes, then plugged it back in. It started again, but died.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I thought maybe I ran it out of gas, which could explain the previous
&gt; &gt; sputters. I added a gallon. It started up again. I thought it was good,
&gt; &gt; then I tried to drive it around the lot again. It acted up, got
&gt; &gt; breathy, and quit. I started it successfully again, put in neutral and
&gt; &gt; gave it gas. It was sputtery and back fired a couple of times. Once
&gt; &gt; really loudly, and a white puff of smoke issued from the front of the
&gt; &gt; car near the air intake.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Are these symptoms of not having enough gas or running the car out of
&gt; &gt; gas? Did I screw something up by unplugging things? Everything else
&gt; &gt; (lights, radio, wipers, etc.) work.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Help!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Maxine
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Only wiring big wiring harness near the heater core in same year Fox is to
&gt; the computer/black box. Car will run very poorly or not at all if not
&gt; connected properly. The ground of the battery should be disconnected first
&gt; prior to connecting or disconnecting this wiring harness.
&gt; --
&gt; Jonny

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#5: Re: AAAARGH! Starting/running problems in 88 Jetta GLI

Posted on 2006-07-23 19:52:29 by joe

&gt; Then, I replaced my clutch/brake pedal bracket. In the process I
&gt; disconnected dashboard wiring, removed the air duct behind the steering
&gt; wheel, pulled two relays that were in the way, and disconnected the
&gt; plugs of a large wiring harness located near the heater core. I put
&gt; everything back together.

Replace the fuel filter if it has one, if not then fit one, sounds like your
sucking shite up from your tank into your engine.

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#6: Re: AAAARGH! Starting/running problems in 88 Jetta GLI

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:08:07 by Mad Maxine

Not a bad idea. I do think I might have run out of gas and gas tank
shite might be contributing to the problem. My fuel gauge wasn't
reading empty, but I bet that doesn't count for much. I might also wait
to restart it until I can get a full tank of gas into it in the
morning.

Thanks,
Maxine

Joe wrote:
&gt; &gt; Then, I replaced my clutch/brake pedal bracket. In the process I
&gt; &gt; disconnected dashboard wiring, removed the air duct behind the steering
&gt; &gt; wheel, pulled two relays that were in the way, and disconnected the
&gt; &gt; plugs of a large wiring harness located near the heater core. I put
&gt; &gt; everything back together.
&gt;
&gt; Replace the fuel filter if it has one, if not then fit one, sounds like your
&gt; sucking shite up from your tank into your engine.

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