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#1: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-19 03:12:55 by higgledy

What is going on at VW? Why would they introduce their new platform as
a Golf only to change it's name months later to Rabbit? Don't get me
wrong I owned and loved a '79 Rabbit. But it seems that it is time for
VW to shop for a new marketing firm.

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#2: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-19 05:35:15 by Papa

Isn't that the same thing they did back in the early days of the
Golf/Rabbit? In Europe it was called a Golf. In the US it was named the
Rabbit.

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#3: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-19 06:15:03 by noway

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&gt; Isn't that the same thing they did back in the early days of the
&gt; Golf/Rabbit? In Europe it was called a Golf. In the US it was named the
&gt; Rabbit.

yes and yes.

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#4: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-19 06:17:47 by noway

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&gt; What is going on at VW? Why would they introduce their new platform as a
&gt; Golf only to change it's name months later to Rabbit?

Not exactly. The Rabbit name was decided on before the car went on sale.
However the original Golf name did appear at a few early autoshows this
year.

&gt;Don't get me wrong I owned and loved a '79 Rabbit. But it seems that it is
&gt;time for VW to shop for a new marketing firm.

Boy are you out of it. They already have. Within the past year they axed
Arnold and got Crispin Porter + Bogusky. The name change I believe was part
of CP+B's idea.

Actually I think it's a good move. While purists probably hate that the car
isn't being called the same name worldwide, I think it's a swift move for
the US market. Since we don't love hatchbacks like most of the world, you
have to do something to give the car something and if an air of nostalgia
and cuteness is what will do it, then I applaud the name change. Whatever
gets the thing selling.

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#5: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-19 21:08:03 by none2u

Its not a bad move. Its not a swift move either. Its an typical for VW
move. Good if you were considering a VW already. But the price was too high.
It would of been an excellent move 6 years ago. Before gas shot up and
before others start offering good cars at $11,000. VW needed a cheaper entry
car for the US. We need the Polo, at $11,000 to compete with Toyotas World
Class Yaris. A base hatch Yaris with AC is $10,999. Corolla drivetrain and
Echo car, hatch, two ,or four door. The Yaris is proven already. Its been
sold for years elsewhere. We get the Rabbit @ $14,900. Add one option and
its $16,000.Everything they had was $19,000. So price wise its better. It
didn't cost em nothing to strip down a Golf to $14.900. But there's better
cars for less money. I think they will sell them. I think the VW value for
the buck is pretty good. Anyone who had a Rabbit or Golf 1,2, or 3 may
give it a look. Anyone who wanted a VW except for price may give it a look.
Anyone who liked the Rabbit but didn't have one may give it a look. But its
still the wrong car , at the wrong time, with the wrong price.
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&gt;&gt; What is going on at VW? Why would they introduce their new platform as a
&gt;&gt; Golf only to change it's name months later to Rabbit?
&gt;
&gt; Not exactly. The Rabbit name was decided on before the car went on sale.
&gt; However the original Golf name did appear at a few early autoshows this
&gt; year.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Don't get me wrong I owned and loved a '79 Rabbit. But it seems that it is
&gt;&gt;time for VW to shop for a new marketing firm.
&gt;
&gt; Boy are you out of it. They already have. Within the past year they axed
&gt; Arnold and got Crispin Porter + Bogusky. The name change I believe was
&gt; part of CP+B's idea.
&gt;
&gt; Actually I think it's a good move. While purists probably hate that the
&gt; car isn't being called the same name worldwide, I think it's a swift move
&gt; for the US market. Since we don't love hatchbacks like most of the world,
&gt; you have to do something to give the car something and if an air of
&gt; nostalgia and cuteness is what will do it, then I applaud the name change.
&gt; Whatever gets the thing selling.
&gt;

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#6: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-19 22:27:46 by Mike Smith

none2u wrote:
&gt; Its not a bad move. Its not a swift move either. Its an typical for VW
&gt; move. Good if you were considering a VW already. But the price was too high.
&gt; It would of been an excellent move 6 years ago. Before gas shot up and
&gt; before others start offering good cars at $11,000. VW needed a cheaper entry
&gt; car for the US. We need the Polo, at $11,000 to compete with Toyotas World
&gt; Class Yaris. A base hatch Yaris with AC is $10,999. Corolla drivetrain and
&gt; Echo car, hatch, two ,or four door. The Yaris is proven already. Its been
&gt; sold for years elsewhere. We get the Rabbit @ $14,900. Add one option and
&gt; its $16,000.Everything they had was $19,000. So price wise its better. It
&gt; didn't cost em nothing to strip down a Golf to $14.900. But there's better
&gt; cars for less money. I think they will sell them. I think the VW value for
&gt; the buck is pretty good. Anyone who had a Rabbit or Golf 1,2, or 3 may
&gt; give it a look. Anyone who wanted a VW except for price may give it a look.
&gt; Anyone who liked the Rabbit but didn't have one may give it a look. But its
&gt; still the wrong car , at the wrong time, with the wrong price.

If they offered it with a 2.0T I'd be looking at it.

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#7: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-19 23:17:58 by none2u

It would be cool, but a stripped Rabbit 2.0T would blow the doors off their
own GTI. Just because of less weight. So they lose some more of their own
sales again. I mentioned another engine too, but deleted that part, because
they don't have the engine that belongs in that car. The smaller engine
should be a key element of the Rabbit. To boost the mileage over the higher
cost GTI, or the regular Jetta.. You know cheaper , smaller, better gas
mileage. But they don't have one. I don't even know if they have a regular
Golf now . I think there's only the GTI or Jetta. They need a non turbo 2.0,
or the TDI. But can't do either. The 2.0T will just take more sales from
themselves. Then the rabbit 2.5 will take by itself from themselves. They
aren't going to pay to put a smaller engine in a cheaper car, either. They
still aren't competing, So I guess its The wrong car, at the wrong time,
with the wrong engine, at the wrong price. PS There would be no faster way
to get up a tree, then to try and hold a standard suspension Rabbit down
around a corner , while shoving your foot through the floor, when the turbo
and torque steer kicks in. If you could handle it, it would be a great
ride. Great stop light sleeper too. Anyone remember the 85 Dodge Omni GLH
turbo arm ripper brutes . Take that and add another 50 hp to it.
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&gt; none2u wrote:
&gt;&gt; Its not a bad move. Its not a swift move either. Its an typical for VW
&gt;&gt; move. Good if you were considering a VW already. But the price was too
&gt;&gt; high. It would of been an excellent move 6 years ago. Before gas shot up
&gt;&gt; and before others start offering good cars at $11,000. VW needed a
&gt;&gt; cheaper entry car for the US. We need the Polo, at $11,000 to compete
&gt;&gt; with Toyotas World Class Yaris. A base hatch Yaris with AC is $10,999.
&gt;&gt; Corolla drivetrain and Echo car, hatch, two ,or four door. The Yaris is
&gt;&gt; proven already. Its been sold for years elsewhere. We get the Rabbit @
&gt;&gt; $14,900. Add one option and its $16,000.Everything they had was $19,000.
&gt;&gt; So price wise its better. It didn't cost em nothing to strip down a Golf
&gt;&gt; to $14.900. But there's better cars for less money. I think they will
&gt;&gt; sell them. I think the VW value for the buck is pretty good. Anyone who
&gt;&gt; had a Rabbit or Golf 1,2, or 3 may give it a look. Anyone who wanted a VW
&gt;&gt; except for price may give it a look. Anyone who liked the Rabbit but
&gt;&gt; didn't have one may give it a look. But its still the wrong car , at the
&gt;&gt; wrong time, with the wrong price.
&gt;
&gt; If they offered it with a 2.0T I'd be looking at it.
&gt;
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&gt; Mike Smith

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#8: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-19 23:55:37 by Mike Smith

none2u wrote:
&gt; It would be cool, but a stripped Rabbit 2.0T would blow the doors off their
&gt; own GTI. Just because of less weight. So they lose some more of their own
&gt; sales again. I mentioned another engine too, but deleted that part, because
&gt; they don't have the engine that belongs in that car. The smaller engine
&gt; should be a key element of the Rabbit. To boost the mileage over the higher
&gt; cost GTI, or the regular Jetta.. You know cheaper , smaller, better gas
&gt; mileage. But they don't have one. I don't even know if they have a regular
&gt; Golf now . I think there's only the GTI or Jetta. They need a non turbo 2.0,
&gt; or the TDI. But can't do either.

They have the engine they need, just not in North America yet.

<a href="http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/winners/1_14.html" target="_blank">http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/winners/1_14.html</a>
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#9: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-20 02:54:20 by higgledy

Why did the omit the Rabbit nameplate from the rear? The chrome bunny
seems lost. And where is the marketing blitz?

I am just glad that I did not buy a Golf last year.



Mike Smith wrote:
&gt; none2u wrote:
&gt; &gt; It would be cool, but a stripped Rabbit 2.0T would blow the doors off their
&gt; &gt; own GTI. Just because of less weight. So they lose some more of their own
&gt; &gt; sales again. I mentioned another engine too, but deleted that part, because
&gt; &gt; they don't have the engine that belongs in that car. The smaller engine
&gt; &gt; should be a key element of the Rabbit. To boost the mileage over the higher
&gt; &gt; cost GTI, or the regular Jetta.. You know cheaper , smaller, better gas
&gt; &gt; mileage. But they don't have one. I don't even know if they have a regular
&gt; &gt; Golf now . I think there's only the GTI or Jetta. They need a non turbo 2.0,
&gt; &gt; or the TDI. But can't do either.
&gt;
&gt; They have the engine they need, just not in North America yet.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/winners/1_14.html" target="_blank">http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/winners/1_14.html</a>
&gt; <a href="http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023213" target="_blank">http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023213</a>
&gt; <a href="http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/11213/mini-test-review-2006-volkswagen-golf-gt.html" target="_blank"> http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/11213/mini-test-review-2 006-volkswagen-golf-gt.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Mike S

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#10: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-20 03:41:53 by Tom Levigne

Look, if you want to all you have to do it get some fishing line and nail
polish remover, get rid of the stupid Rabbit emblem and stick on a GOLF to
be like the rest of the world. Not that complicated.

TL


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&gt;&gt; What is going on at VW? Why would they introduce their new platform as a
&gt;&gt; Golf only to change it's name months later to Rabbit?
&gt;
&gt; Not exactly. The Rabbit name was decided on before the car went on sale.
&gt; However the original Golf name did appear at a few early autoshows this
&gt; year.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Don't get me wrong I owned and loved a '79 Rabbit. But it seems that it is
&gt;&gt;time for VW to shop for a new marketing firm.
&gt;
&gt; Boy are you out of it. They already have. Within the past year they axed
&gt; Arnold and got Crispin Porter + Bogusky. The name change I believe was
&gt; part of CP+B's idea.
&gt;
&gt; Actually I think it's a good move. While purists probably hate that the
&gt; car isn't being called the same name worldwide, I think it's a swift move
&gt; for the US market. Since we don't love hatchbacks like most of the world,
&gt; you have to do something to give the car something and if an air of
&gt; nostalgia and cuteness is what will do it, then I applaud the name change.
&gt; Whatever gets the thing selling.
&gt;

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#11: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-20 05:26:25 by noway

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&gt; It would be cool, but a stripped Rabbit 2.0T would blow the doors off
&gt; their own GTI. Just because of less weight.

Dream on. &quot;Stripped&quot; today in the US would still mean power windows and
A/C. A Rabbit 2.0T wouldn't weigh enough less than a GTI to be noticeable.

And if you did take out the A/C and power windows, nobody except for a
couple of enthusiasts looking for a showroom-ready autocrosser would buy
such a vehicle. The likelihood of VW or any manufacturer building a
stripped-down car with the hottest engine available in the bodystyle is
pretty much zero and the likelihood of anyone buying such a car is barely
any higher than that.

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#12: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-20 09:24:46 by wolfsmike

&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;We need the Polo, at $11,000 to compete with Toyotas World Class
Yaris. A base hatch Yaris with AC is $10,999. Corolla drivetrain and
Echo car, hatch, two ,or four door. The Yaris is proven already.&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

That &quot;World Class&quot; Yaris has been beat by the Honda Fit in every
comparison test I have seen. I've test driven them both and the Fit is
really fun to drive with a lot of utility. The Yaris was bland and
boring. BTW, didn't the &quot;proven&quot; Yaris just get a recall?

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#13: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-20 14:34:25 by none2u

You are probably right , I believe the Yaris may have a recall. My Echo has
just got its second. I think its the same one. I was talking about what VW
needs to do to compete. In that respect it applies to the Fit. I like the
Rabbit. It needs a smaller engine and less price. I don't think either is
possible, So they are just moving their own sales around. They aren't
getting any from any other manufacturer. The Polo right now would be an
excellent move. With a gas and diesel. But reality is , its just as
expensive as the Rabbit. It might be the right car at the right time , with
the right engine, but at the wrong price.
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&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;We need the Polo, at $11,000 to compete with Toyotas World Class
&gt; Yaris. A base hatch Yaris with AC is $10,999. Corolla drivetrain and
&gt; Echo car, hatch, two ,or four door. The Yaris is proven already.&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; That &quot;World Class&quot; Yaris has been beat by the Honda Fit in every
&gt; comparison test I have seen. I've test driven them both and the Fit is
&gt; really fun to drive with a lot of utility. The Yaris was bland and
&gt; boring. BTW, didn't the &quot;proven&quot; Yaris just get a recall?
&gt;

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#14: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-21 03:48:02 by higgledy

Tom: I wished VW never intro'd the Golf in the '90s. I just think the
2006 Rabbit will get more notice if it's name were spelled-out on the
hatch like previous models.


Tom Levigne wrote:
&gt; Look, if you want to all you have to do it get some fishing line and nail
&gt; polish remover, get rid of the stupid Rabbit emblem and stick on a GOLF to
&gt; be like the rest of the world. Not that complicated.
&gt;
&gt; TL
&gt;
&gt;
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&gt; &gt;&gt; What is going on at VW? Why would they introduce their new platform as a
&gt; &gt;&gt; Golf only to change it's name months later to Rabbit?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Not exactly. The Rabbit name was decided on before the car went on sale.
&gt; &gt; However the original Golf name did appear at a few early autoshows this
&gt; &gt; year.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Don't get me wrong I owned and loved a '79 Rabbit. But it seems that it is
&gt; &gt;&gt;time for VW to shop for a new marketing firm.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Boy are you out of it. They already have. Within the past year they axed
&gt; &gt; Arnold and got Crispin Porter + Bogusky. The name change I believe was
&gt; &gt; part of CP+B's idea.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Actually I think it's a good move. While purists probably hate that the
&gt; &gt; car isn't being called the same name worldwide, I think it's a swift move
&gt; &gt; for the US market. Since we don't love hatchbacks like most of the world,
&gt; &gt; you have to do something to give the car something and if an air of
&gt; &gt; nostalgia and cuteness is what will do it, then I applaud the name change.
&gt; &gt; Whatever gets the thing selling.
&gt; &gt;

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#15: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-21 09:46:11 by team3m

Bidding my time till they intro the rab deisel in canada. My old bunny
is an 82 with 425K on it and getting near retirment age.
82 engine is great but the body is shot and is the shift linkage kit.
The original 82 deisel still does not a drop of oil burn and will start
with our -40 winters if left plugged in.

BTW: anyone know of or want to recommed a good aftermarket parts
reseller for these old beasts? Think the alternator and shift assembly
need doing.
higgledy wrote:
&gt; Tom: I wished VW never intro'd the Golf in the '90s. I just think the
&gt; 2006 Rabbit will get more notice if it's name were spelled-out on the
&gt; hatch like previous models.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Tom Levigne wrote:
&gt; &gt; Look, if you want to all you have to do it get some fishing line and nail
&gt; &gt; polish remover, get rid of the stupid Rabbit emblem and stick on a GOLF to
&gt; &gt; be like the rest of the world. Not that complicated.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; TL
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; What is going on at VW? Why would they introduce their new platform as a
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Golf only to change it's name months later to Rabbit?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Not exactly. The Rabbit name was decided on before the car went on sale.
&gt; &gt; &gt; However the original Golf name did appear at a few early autoshows this
&gt; &gt; &gt; year.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;Don't get me wrong I owned and loved a '79 Rabbit. But it seems that it is
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;time for VW to shop for a new marketing firm.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Boy are you out of it. They already have. Within the past year they axed
&gt; &gt; &gt; Arnold and got Crispin Porter + Bogusky. The name change I believe was
&gt; &gt; &gt; part of CP+B's idea.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Actually I think it's a good move. While purists probably hate that the
&gt; &gt; &gt; car isn't being called the same name worldwide, I think it's a swift move
&gt; &gt; &gt; for the US market. Since we don't love hatchbacks like most of the world,
&gt; &gt; &gt; you have to do something to give the car something and if an air of
&gt; &gt; &gt; nostalgia and cuteness is what will do it, then I applaud the name change.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Whatever gets the thing selling.
&gt; &gt; &gt;

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#16: Re: 2006 Rabbit

Posted on 2006-07-21 15:37:25 by Papa

&gt;
&gt; BTW: anyone know of or want to recommed a good aftermarket parts
&gt; reseller for these old beasts? Think the alternator and shift assembly
&gt; need doing.

Try <a href="http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~kaw5/parts.htm" target="_blank">http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~kaw5/parts.htm</a> Lots of sources there. Good
luck.

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