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#1: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-17 19:14:15 by Help-Slip-Franklin

Well I think I now have the tools I'm going to need for the restoration of
the '73 SB (MIG welder, etc..) and I've spent the last two weeks removing
all the undercoating from the wheel wells and fenders. (The previous owner
actually used driveway sealer as undercoating! What a mess to remove.)

I've now found several rust holes at both back wheel wells and the bottom of
the support brackets for the front suspension are rusted as well (Previous
owner just filled the holes in with body putty). I was thinking of
replacing the suspensions all the way around then fixing all the rust but
now I'm thinking maybe the rust is the first priority.

The body is just a shell with windows and new headliner. What should be my
first priority? Fix the rust, replace the suspension, or something else?

Thanks,

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H-S-F

'73 Super Beetle
'74 Super Beetle

Cut your hair to respond.

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#2: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-18 00:09:23 by Joey Tribiani

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&gt; The body is just a shell with windows and new headliner. What should be
my
&gt; first priority? Fix the rust, replace the suspension, or something else?
&gt;
&gt; Thanks,
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; H-S-F


in my opinion, fix rust *FIRST*....always....rust doesn't wait till you are
ready to deal with it...it keeps on rotting....rust repair
first....first....first....first.....first.......

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#3: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-18 05:11:21 by Kidd

help-slip-franklin wrote:
&gt;
&gt; The body is just a shell with windows and new headliner. What should be my
&gt; first priority? Fix the rust, replace the suspension, or something else?


What SHOULD have been done last, was the headliner and interior. So you
don't end up ruining it with your greasy fingers while doing mechanical
work, or staining it with smoke and fumes and sooty particles when
welding, or ....

Be careful.

Mechanical, bodywork or pans? Does the car have to be movable during
the restoration? Out in the elements without protection? If all that is
irrelevant, then do it in any order you want. I'd do the dirtiest work
first, then the stuff that requires a clean garage and hands.

Jan








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#4: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-18 05:46:47 by remcow

&gt; What SHOULD have been done last, was the headliner and interior. So you
&gt; don't end up ruining it with your greasy fingers while doing mechanical
&gt; work, or staining it with smoke and fumes and sooty particles when
&gt; welding, or ....

Sheeeeshshs, Jan, _now_ you tell me about the headliner... :)

I agree with Chris: rust first but I am not beyond working on the rust
yet, so don't know any better :)
Seriously, I am in the middle of a body off. I opted to do the frame
first.

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#5: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-18 16:18:45 by Help-Slip-Franklin

Thanks for the insights. My choice would not have been the headliner first
either. The previous owner did that. In seeing what he did do I'm thinking
he was going for a quick fix and sell it to someone as restored. He did do a
pretty decent job of putting it in and I hear they are a pain to do, so I'm
not sure I want to take it out. On the other hand if I end up having it
media blasted wouldn't I have to take it and the windows out anyway?

As for the placement during my work it is inside and does not have to be
moveable. I think I like the getting the dirty work out of the way first!

H-S-F

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#6: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-18 16:31:38 by remcow

help-slip-franklin wrote:
&gt; Thanks for the insights. My choice would not have been the headliner first
&gt; either. The previous owner did that. In seeing what he did do I'm thinking
&gt; he was going for a quick fix and sell it to someone as restored. He did do a
&gt; pretty decent job of putting it in and I hear they are a pain to do, so I'm
&gt; not sure I want to take it out. On the other hand if I end up having it
&gt; media blasted wouldn't I have to take it and the windows out anyway?
&gt;
&gt; As for the placement during my work it is inside and does not have to be
&gt; moveable. I think I like the getting the dirty work out of the way first!
&gt;
&gt; H-S-F

I do think that you have to remove everything when you mediablast.
Been debating whether to do that as well. It isn't so much the expense
that is holding me back (a friend can do it for me for free) but the
fact that you have to take everything out.

A while back on theSamba someone by accident found out a great way to
remove old paint using a common household cleaner:
<a href="http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167756" target="_blank">http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167756</a>
My frame is nearly complete now so when I move on to the more serious
portions of the body (channels, firewall, rear crossmembers), that's
what I'll most likely use. I might ask him to blast the hood, etc.

Remco

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#7: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-18 18:30:53 by Help-Slip-Franklin

I guess in a way you could say I'm lucky that mine came totally stripped
out, or you could say I'm in trouble because I have to figure out how to put
everything back not having the knowledge of where it came from! I'm the kind
of person who will take pictures before and while I'm tearing something
apart because I can't remember things like that if more than a few days
pass. Lucky you on the friend who can do the job for free.

H-S-F

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#8: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-18 18:53:45 by remcow

help-slip-franklin wrote:
&gt; I guess in a way you could say I'm lucky that mine came totally stripped
&gt; out, or you could say I'm in trouble because I have to figure out how to put
&gt; everything back not having the knowledge of where it came from! I'm the kind
&gt; of person who will take pictures before and while I'm tearing something
&gt; apart because I can't remember things like that if more than a few days
&gt; pass. Lucky you on the friend who can do the job for free.
&gt;
&gt; H-S-F

I hear ya - that's how I operate as well, taking pictures and labeling
everything.
Stripped my 75 engine totally down and rebuilt it, all without having a
part left and the engine running. Could not have done that without
manuals, DVD, pictures, ziplock baggies, tags and sharpie pens.
(Usually, if I take things apart and put them back together enough
times, eventually I have enough parts left to build two. :)

Yours is a 73 SB, mine is a 72 beetle.
Not positive on this, but I think the major differences between SB and
beetles is the front end. The frame heads are totally different but
understand that anything in the back of the front firewall is the same.
If there are detail pictures you need, let me know: My body and frame
are separated so can take any picture you may need.

Remco

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#9: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-21 11:11:21 by ThaDriver

The way to restore anything is:
1) Mechanical/chassis
2) Body
3) Interior
For a bug that would include body off of pan, &amp; completely restore the
pan, suspension, &amp; drivetrain first. Then restore &amp; paint the body in
peices, &amp; mount it all on the pan &amp; put it together. Then do the interior.
Possible exceptions could be if the body (or pan) was so bad rusted you
have to have it on the pan to weld/align everything. If you have to do
that make sure you wrap everything *tightly* in plastic that's been
detailed.
HTH,
~ Paul
aka &quot;Tha Driver&quot;

I *thought* I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

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#10: Re: Help! What's first on restoration?

Posted on 2006-07-21 13:20:31 by remcow

ThaDriver wrote:
&gt; The way to restore anything is:
&gt; 1) Mechanical/chassis
&gt; 2) Body
&gt; 3) Interior
&gt; For a bug that would include body off of pan, &amp; completely restore the
&gt; pan, suspension, &amp; drivetrain first. Then restore &amp; paint the body in
&gt; peices, &amp; mount it all on the pan &amp; put it together. Then do the interior.
&gt; Possible exceptions could be if the body (or pan) was so bad rusted you
&gt; have to have it on the pan to weld/align everything. If you have to do
&gt; that make sure you wrap everything *tightly* in plastic that's been
&gt; detailed.
&gt; HTH,
&gt; ~ Paul
&gt; aka &quot;Tha Driver&quot;
&gt;
&gt; I *thought* I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

Wrap everything in plastic? You mean like the smaller parts, I take it?

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