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#1: Sticking seat belt retractor?

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:23:17 by lynnhowlyn

OK - 1983 CJ7 - with a bunch of mods not related to this problem ...

Seat belt retractor for the 3 point belts oOFTEN sticks in place -
won't epull out of the retractor housing or - if already pulled out -
won't retract.

UNTIL I wack the retractor gently (firmly) a couple of times (or more)
with a small rubber mallet I carry "just in case" - and then it will
pull out or retract as needed.

I suspect a bit of dust (dirt) down inside the mechanism - but don't
have the foggiest on how to fix the problem.

And I know better than to try to lube the mechanism - which wouldn't do
much more than just attract dust and dirt.

Suggestions?
Instruction how to disassemble & clean? And how to reassemble :) !!

Thanks
Lynn in Vancouver

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#2: Re: Sticking seat belt retractor?

Posted on 2006-07-21 15:24:48 by Mike Romain

Well, the CJ belts are a pain because they do lock up tight and will not
release on a slope. This can pin you into the seat hard sometimes. I
got some clips that go onto the belt and stop the shoulder part from
retracting on me when I am wheeling.

My passenger side one is the worst.

There has been talk here in the past about even using a bolt or a small
pair of vise grips clamped on to stop the 'shrinking' belt issue.

I use a high pressure air blower and/or a shop vac to try and clean the
junk out. I have even used a water pressure washer.

Removing the belt anchor on an 83 would be problematic due to rust but
you can try soaking it in penetrating oil for a few days before
attempting it.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211514759 0</a>
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

&quot;<a href="mailto:lynnhowlyn&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">lynnhowlyn&#64;aol.com</a>&quot; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; OK - 1983 CJ7 - with a bunch of mods not related to this problem ...
&gt;
&gt; Seat belt retractor for the 3 point belts oOFTEN sticks in place -
&gt; won't epull out of the retractor housing or - if already pulled out -
&gt; won't retract.
&gt;
&gt; UNTIL I wack the retractor gently (firmly) a couple of times (or more)
&gt; with a small rubber mallet I carry &quot;just in case&quot; - and then it will
&gt; pull out or retract as needed.
&gt;
&gt; I suspect a bit of dust (dirt) down inside the mechanism - but don't
&gt; have the foggiest on how to fix the problem.
&gt;
&gt; And I know better than to try to lube the mechanism - which wouldn't do
&gt; much more than just attract dust and dirt.
&gt;
&gt; Suggestions?
&gt; Instruction how to disassemble &amp; clean? And how to reassemble :) !!
&gt;
&gt; Thanks
&gt; Lynn in Vancouver

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#3: Re: Sticking seat belt retractor?

Posted on 2006-07-22 02:38:31 by billhughes

Are there electrical release/retractors and lock-ups in yours. I
remember my Daughter's rag top Stang in that year use to piss me off
trying to hook up the belt without the transmission being in neutral,
and foot on the brake.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>

Mike Romain wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Well, the CJ belts are a pain because they do lock up tight and will not
&gt; release on a slope. This can pin you into the seat hard sometimes. I
&gt; got some clips that go onto the belt and stop the shoulder part from
&gt; retracting on me when I am wheeling.
&gt;
&gt; My passenger side one is the worst.
&gt;
&gt; There has been talk here in the past about even using a bolt or a small
&gt; pair of vise grips clamped on to stop the 'shrinking' belt issue.
&gt;
&gt; I use a high pressure air blower and/or a shop vac to try and clean the
&gt; junk out. I have even used a water pressure washer.
&gt;
&gt; Removing the belt anchor on an 83 would be problematic due to rust but
&gt; you can try soaking it in penetrating oil for a few days before
&gt; attempting it.
&gt;
&gt; Mike
&gt; 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
&gt; 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
&gt; Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
&gt; Jan/06 <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211514759 0</a>
&gt; (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

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#4: Re: Sticking seat belt retractor?

Posted on 2006-07-22 02:45:33 by Kate

Hey Lynn,
Here's what I have always done .

Get some all purpose cleaner, and squirt it into the mechanism, scrub in
there with a disposable paint brush and then blow it out with an air hose
(or canned air)
Repeat a couple of times with clear water, to rinse the soap out, then
follow up with a dose of WD-40.

It should clean right up.

Before you start, pull the belt all the way out and tie it up so it stays
out. That way you won't get gunk on it and it shouldn't get wet.

In the future, you can just blow the dust and crud out of it with air.

Kate

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: OK - 1983 CJ7 - with a bunch of mods not related to this problem ...
:
: Seat belt retractor for the 3 point belts oOFTEN sticks in place -
: won't epull out of the retractor housing or - if already pulled out -
: won't retract.
:
: UNTIL I wack the retractor gently (firmly) a couple of times (or more)
: with a small rubber mallet I carry &quot;just in case&quot; - and then it will
: pull out or retract as needed.
:
: I suspect a bit of dust (dirt) down inside the mechanism - but don't
: have the foggiest on how to fix the problem.
:
: And I know better than to try to lube the mechanism - which wouldn't do
: much more than just attract dust and dirt.
:
: Suggestions?
: Instruction how to disassemble &amp; clean? And how to reassemble :) !!
:
: Thanks
: Lynn in Vancouver
:

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#5: Re: Sticking seat belt retractor?

Posted on 2006-07-22 02:58:53 by Mike Romain

No, the CJ ones are just plain mechanical with a weight/angle/speed
flipper dipper to lock them.

Mike

&quot;L.W.(Bill) Hughes III&quot; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Are there electrical release/retractors and lock-ups in yours. I
&gt; remember my Daughter's rag top Stang in that year use to piss me off
&gt; trying to hook up the belt without the transmission being in neutral,
&gt; and foot on the brake.
&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt; Mike Romain wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Well, the CJ belts are a pain because they do lock up tight and will not
&gt; &gt; release on a slope. This can pin you into the seat hard sometimes. I
&gt; &gt; got some clips that go onto the belt and stop the shoulder part from
&gt; &gt; retracting on me when I am wheeling.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; My passenger side one is the worst.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; There has been talk here in the past about even using a bolt or a small
&gt; &gt; pair of vise grips clamped on to stop the 'shrinking' belt issue.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I use a high pressure air blower and/or a shop vac to try and clean the
&gt; &gt; junk out. I have even used a water pressure washer.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Removing the belt anchor on an 83 would be problematic due to rust but
&gt; &gt; you can try soaking it in penetrating oil for a few days before
&gt; &gt; attempting it.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Mike
&gt; &gt; 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
&gt; &gt; 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
&gt; &gt; Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
&gt; &gt; Jan/06 <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211514759 0</a>
&gt; &gt; (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

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#6: Re: Sticking seat belt retractor?

Posted on 2006-07-22 07:15:52 by lynnhowlyn

Mike Romain wrote:
&gt; No, the CJ ones are just plain mechanical with a weight/angle/speed
&gt; flipper dipper to lock them.
&gt;
&gt; Mike
&gt;
&gt; &quot;L.W.(Bill) Hughes III&quot; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Are there electrical release/retractors and lock-ups in yours. I
&gt; &gt; remember my Daughter's rag top Stang in that year use to piss me off
&gt; &gt; trying to hook up the belt without the transmission being in neutral,
&gt; &gt; and foot on the brake.
&gt; &gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt; &gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Mike Romain wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Well, the CJ belts are a pain because they do lock up tight and will not
&gt; &gt; &gt; release on a slope. This can pin you into the seat hard sometimes. I
&gt; &gt; &gt; got some clips that go onto the belt and stop the shoulder part from
&gt; &gt; &gt; retracting on me when I am wheeling.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; My passenger side one is the worst.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; There has been talk here in the past about even using a bolt or a small
&gt; &gt; &gt; pair of vise grips clamped on to stop the 'shrinking' belt issue.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I use a high pressure air blower and/or a shop vac to try and clean the
&gt; &gt; &gt; junk out. I have even used a water pressure washer.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Removing the belt anchor on an 83 would be problematic due to rust but
&gt; &gt; &gt; you can try soaking it in penetrating oil for a few days before
&gt; &gt; &gt; attempting it.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Mike
&gt; &gt; &gt; 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
&gt; &gt; &gt; 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
&gt; &gt; &gt; Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
&gt; &gt; &gt; Jan/06 <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211514759 0</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Lots of good advice. Many thanks!

I think I'll try to compressed air/shop vacuum approach 1st. I'm a
little gunshy about the wet cleaning and such, even with WD-40 as a
&quot;chaser&quot; Major concernss that any residual moisture or cleaner will be
a major dust &amp; dirt magnet and really get the retractor fouled and
inoperative!.

Getting the retractor or anchor unbolted from the tub will be no
problem however. When did the 4 year long bare frame up rebuild (a
therapy project!), got rid of all the torx fasteners and used
anti-seize on virtually everything as I re-assembled it.

With apologies to Bill, while they may have been used at the factory -
REAL Jeeps don't need no stenking torx head fasteners! &lt;grin&gt;

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#7: Re: Sticking seat belt retractor?

Posted on 2006-07-22 22:11:37 by Matt Macchiarolo

The TJ's use a 1/2&quot; steel ball that shifts with inertia or gravity to lock
the belts..when it rolls upward/forward it locks tight.

&quot;Mike Romain&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:romainm&#64;sympatico.ca" target="_blank">romainm&#64;sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:44C1784D.14ACFDD&#64;sympatico.ca..." target="_blank">44C1784D.14ACFDD&#64;sympatico.ca...</a>
&gt; No, the CJ ones are just plain mechanical with a weight/angle/speed
&gt; flipper dipper to lock them.
&gt;
&gt; Mike
&gt;
&gt; &quot;L.W.(Bill) Hughes III&quot; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Are there electrical release/retractors and lock-ups in yours. I
&gt;&gt; remember my Daughter's rag top Stang in that year use to piss me off
&gt;&gt; trying to hook up the belt without the transmission being in neutral,
&gt;&gt; and foot on the brake.
&gt;&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt;&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Mike Romain wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Well, the CJ belts are a pain because they do lock up tight and will
&gt;&gt; &gt; not
&gt;&gt; &gt; release on a slope. This can pin you into the seat hard sometimes. I
&gt;&gt; &gt; got some clips that go onto the belt and stop the shoulder part from
&gt;&gt; &gt; retracting on me when I am wheeling.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; My passenger side one is the worst.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; There has been talk here in the past about even using a bolt or a small
&gt;&gt; &gt; pair of vise grips clamped on to stop the 'shrinking' belt issue.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; I use a high pressure air blower and/or a shop vac to try and clean the
&gt;&gt; &gt; junk out. I have even used a water pressure washer.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Removing the belt anchor on an 83 would be problematic due to rust but
&gt;&gt; &gt; you can try soaking it in penetrating oil for a few days before
&gt;&gt; &gt; attempting it.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Mike
&gt;&gt; &gt; 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
&gt;&gt; &gt; 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
&gt;&gt; &gt; Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
&gt;&gt; &gt; Jan/06 <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211514759 0</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt; (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

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#8: Re: Sticking seat belt retractor?

Posted on 2006-07-22 23:56:33 by Mike Romain

I haven't had one apart, but the CJ ones could be similar. They also
lock with a fast pull out.

Mike

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
&gt;
&gt; The TJ's use a 1/2&quot; steel ball that shifts with inertia or gravity to lock
&gt; the belts..when it rolls upward/forward it locks tight.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Mike Romain&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:romainm&#64;sympatico.ca" target="_blank">romainm&#64;sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:44C1784D.14ACFDD&#64;sympatico.ca..." target="_blank">44C1784D.14ACFDD&#64;sympatico.ca...</a>
&gt; &gt; No, the CJ ones are just plain mechanical with a weight/angle/speed
&gt; &gt; flipper dipper to lock them.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Mike
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;L.W.(Bill) Hughes III&quot; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Are there electrical release/retractors and lock-ups in yours. I
&gt; &gt;&gt; remember my Daughter's rag top Stang in that year use to piss me off
&gt; &gt;&gt; trying to hook up the belt without the transmission being in neutral,
&gt; &gt;&gt; and foot on the brake.
&gt; &gt;&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt; &gt;&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Mike Romain wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Well, the CJ belts are a pain because they do lock up tight and will
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; not
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; release on a slope. This can pin you into the seat hard sometimes. I
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; got some clips that go onto the belt and stop the shoulder part from
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; retracting on me when I am wheeling.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; My passenger side one is the worst.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; There has been talk here in the past about even using a bolt or a small
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; pair of vise grips clamped on to stop the 'shrinking' belt issue.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I use a high pressure air blower and/or a shop vac to try and clean the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; junk out. I have even used a water pressure washer.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Removing the belt anchor on an 83 would be problematic due to rust but
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; you can try soaking it in penetrating oil for a few days before
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; attempting it.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Mike
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Jan/06 <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211514759 0</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

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