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#1: Where is "right fender side shield"

Posted on 2006-07-21 05:03:24 by Carl K

Where is "right fender side shield" as described here:
<a href="http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2029" target="_blank"> http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view= core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2029</a>

(important part of
<a href="http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2023" target="_blank"> http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view= core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2023</a>
which is a 5mb file to get the full size, so don't bother)

At least I how believe I just have a ground problem and not a bad PCM - yipee!

Carl K

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#2: Re: Where is "right fender side shield"

Posted on 2006-07-21 05:37:00 by billhughes

The right side of the vehicle is same as if you were driving. The
right side of the road.
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Carl K wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Where is &quot;right fender side shield&quot; as described here:
&gt; <a href="http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2029" target="_blank"> http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view= core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2029</a>
&gt;
&gt; (important part of
&gt; <a href="http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2023" target="_blank"> http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view= core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2023</a>
&gt; which is a 5mb file to get the full size, so don't bother)
&gt;
&gt; At least I how believe I just have a ground problem and not a bad PCM - yipee!
&gt;
&gt; Carl K

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#3: Re: Where is "right fender side shield"

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:09:24 by Carl K

What is the &quot;side shield&quot;?

Also, how can I tell where DRK GRN becomes BLK?

and I am guessing I may want to find that dot where more than one BLK converge -
I am hoping it is part of G101

Carl K

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III wrote:
&gt; The right side of the vehicle is same as if you were driving. The
&gt; right side of the road.
&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt; Carl K wrote:
&gt;&gt; Where is &quot;right fender side shield&quot; as described here:
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2029" target="_blank"> http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view= core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2029</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; (important part of
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2023" target="_blank"> http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view= core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2023</a>
&gt;&gt; which is a 5mb file to get the full size, so don't bother)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; At least I how believe I just have a ground problem and not a bad PCM - yipee!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Carl K

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#4: Re: Where is "right fender side shield"

Posted on 2006-07-21 06:24:30 by billhughes

You're working around the Power Distribution box, the only thing
left is the inside fender well.
Nope, that why you have a wiring diagram.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Carl K wrote:
&gt;
&gt; What is the &quot;side shield&quot;?
&gt;
&gt; Also, how can I tell where DRK GRN becomes BLK?
&gt;
&gt; and I am guessing I may want to find that dot where more than one BLK converge -
&gt; I am hoping it is part of G101
&gt;
&gt; Carl K

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#5: Re: Where is "right fender side shield"

Posted on 2006-07-21 07:49:03 by Billy Ray

Engine compartment grounds:

<a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115943693" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211594369 3</a>



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&gt; You're working around the Power Distribution box, the only thing
&gt; left is the inside fender well.
&gt; Nope, that why you have a wiring diagram.
&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt; Carl K wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; What is the &quot;side shield&quot;?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Also, how can I tell where DRK GRN becomes BLK?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; and I am guessing I may want to find that dot where more than one BLK
&gt;&gt; converge -
&gt;&gt; I am hoping it is part of G101
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Carl K

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#6: Re: Where is "right fender side shield"

Posted on 2006-07-21 08:18:57 by Carl K

neat.

Thanks.

billy ray wrote:
&gt; Engine compartment grounds:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115943693" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211594369 3</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;L.W.(Bill) Hughes III&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:billhughes&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">billhughes&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:44C056FE.C47AD7B5&#64;cox.net..." target="_blank">44C056FE.C47AD7B5&#64;cox.net...</a>
&gt;&gt; You're working around the Power Distribution box, the only thing
&gt;&gt; left is the inside fender well.
&gt;&gt; Nope, that why you have a wiring diagram.
&gt;&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt;&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Carl K wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; What is the &quot;side shield&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Also, how can I tell where DRK GRN becomes BLK?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; and I am guessing I may want to find that dot where more than one BLK
&gt;&gt;&gt; converge -
&gt;&gt;&gt; I am hoping it is part of G101
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Carl K
&gt;
&gt;

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#7: Re: Where is "right fender side shield"

Posted on 2006-07-21 15:21:28 by Carl K

welp... I am guessing G101 is the one right next to the battery, that includes
a line to the battery, a larger wire (14 gage?) and 2 smaller ones (18 gage?)

My tester pokes holes in wires - all 4 are grounded.

So either this is not G101, or something is broken between it and the relay.

The search continues.

C

Carl K wrote:
&gt; neat.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks.
&gt;
&gt; billy ray wrote:
&gt;&gt; Engine compartment grounds:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115943693" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211594369 3</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;L.W.(Bill) Hughes III&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:billhughes&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">billhughes&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:44C056FE.C47AD7B5&#64;cox.net..." target="_blank">44C056FE.C47AD7B5&#64;cox.net...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; You're working around the Power Distribution box, the only thing
&gt;&gt;&gt; left is the inside fender well.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Nope, that why you have a wiring diagram.
&gt;&gt;&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt;&gt;&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Carl K wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What is the &quot;side shield&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Also, how can I tell where DRK GRN becomes BLK?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and I am guessing I may want to find that dot where more than one
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; BLK converge -
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I am hoping it is part of G101
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Carl K
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;

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#8: I think I got it...

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:10:55 by Carl K

(10:03:00 AM) CarlFK: I am v.sure I have found my Heat/AC Blower problem
(10:03:28 AM) rond: :)
(10:03:32 AM) CarlFK: C206 - green wire on one side is not connected to the
black wire on the other
(10:03:53 AM) CarlFK: and the connector looks kinda green
(10:04:01 AM) CarlFK: in a way a connector should not look
(10:04:21 AM) CarlFK: and the 2 plactic things are kinda stuck together,
(10:04:32 AM) CarlFK: as if someone spilled a few drops of coke on it

So no one put any more effort into this unless I come back swearing. Thanks to
those that have helped.

Carl K


Carl K wrote:
&gt; welp... I am guessing G101 is the one right next to the battery, that
&gt; includes a line to the battery, a larger wire (14 gage?) and 2 smaller
&gt; ones (18 gage?)
&gt;
&gt; My tester pokes holes in wires - all 4 are grounded.
&gt;
&gt; So either this is not G101, or something is broken between it and the
&gt; relay.
&gt;
&gt; The search continues.
&gt;
&gt; C
&gt;
&gt; Carl K wrote:
&gt;&gt; neat.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Thanks.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; billy ray wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Engine compartment grounds:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115943693" target="_blank"> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211594369 3</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;L.W.(Bill) Hughes III&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:billhughes&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">billhughes&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt; news:<a href="mailto:44C056FE.C47AD7B5&#64;cox.net..." target="_blank">44C056FE.C47AD7B5&#64;cox.net...</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You're working around the Power Distribution box, the only thing
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; left is the inside fender well.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Nope, that why you have a wiring diagram.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Carl K wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What is the &quot;side shield&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Also, how can I tell where DRK GRN becomes BLK?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and I am guessing I may want to find that dot where more than one
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; BLK converge -
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I am hoping it is part of G101
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Carl K
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;

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#9: Re: I think I got it...

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:37:26 by Carl K

<a href="http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2033" target="_blank"> http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view= core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2033</a>

lots of black around the connectors - pretty sure that is my problem :)

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#10: Re: I think I got it...

Posted on 2006-07-21 18:14:27 by Mike Romain

Wow, good detective work there!

That plug and socket are fried. I would bypass it with a shunt by
hooking the two wires directly together. The heater blower in my
Cherokee had the same issue at the first plug away from the heater motor
and was a strange one to track down, but way less complex. I shunted
it.

Mike
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88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Carl K wrote:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2033" target="_blank"> http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view= core.ShowItem&amp;g2_itemId=2033</a>
&gt;
&gt; lots of black around the connectors - pretty sure that is my problem :)

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#11: Re: I think I got it...

Posted on 2006-07-21 18:16:48 by Carl K

Mike Romain wrote:
&gt; Wow, good detective work there!
&gt;
&gt; That plug and socket are fried.

ya think? :)

I would bypass it with a shunt by
&gt; hooking the two wires directly together. The heater blower in my
&gt; Cherokee had the same issue at the first plug away from the heater motor
&gt; and was a strange one to track down, but way less complex. I shunted
&gt; it.

yup: yank yank, snip snip, strip strip, but connector, crimp crimp and it blows!

Now to put the dash back together. yuck.

C

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#12: Re: I think I got it...

Posted on 2006-07-21 22:16:39 by Billy Ray

Where exactly is that connector? Can you post a pix not quite so close up?

You might consider some dielectric grease on the other terminals to prevent
corrosion and it never hurts to clean and grease any ground you find.


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&gt; Mike Romain wrote:
&gt;&gt; Wow, good detective work there!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; That plug and socket are fried.
&gt;
&gt; ya think? :)
&gt;
&gt; I would bypass it with a shunt by
&gt;&gt; hooking the two wires directly together. The heater blower in my
&gt;&gt; Cherokee had the same issue at the first plug away from the heater motor
&gt;&gt; and was a strange one to track down, but way less complex. I shunted
&gt;&gt; it.
&gt;
&gt; yup: yank yank, snip snip, strip strip, but connector, crimp crimp and it
&gt; blows!
&gt;
&gt; Now to put the dash back together. yuck.
&gt;
&gt; C

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