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#1: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?

Posted on 2006-07-22 05:08:57 by MoPar Man

A friend was in north-central Germany earlier this week.

He says he saw a Dodge Magnum - but with a front end from a 300.

Is Daimler making such a beast for Europe/Germany?

Apparently such odd ball combinations isin't out of the ordinary for
Europe. Although Jap cars in Germany aren't that common, my buddy saw
some Honda's with obvious Acura bodywork.

He also said he saw more Crossfires there than he sees around here.

Also - why the two different brands or types of diesel fuel at the gas
pumps?

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#2: Re: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?

Posted on 2006-07-22 05:45:39 by joe

The Crossfire is made in Germany, isn't it? That might help sell them
there, or at least make it a bit cheaper.

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&gt;
&gt; A friend was in north-central Germany earlier this week.
&gt;
&gt; He says he saw a Dodge Magnum - but with a front end from a 300.
&gt;
&gt; Is Daimler making such a beast for Europe/Germany?
&gt;
&gt; Apparently such odd ball combinations isin't out of the ordinary for
&gt; Europe. Although Jap cars in Germany aren't that common, my buddy saw
&gt; some Honda's with obvious Acura bodywork.
&gt;
&gt; He also said he saw more Crossfires there than he sees around here.
&gt;
&gt; Also - why the two different brands or types of diesel fuel at the gas
&gt; pumps?

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#3: Re: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?

Posted on 2006-07-22 13:47:00 by CopperTop

Dodge Magnums are not sold in Europe. Rather it is called the &quot;Chrysler 300
Touring&quot;. It is a Magnum with a 300 front end.

The Crossfire is a re-bodied MB 230SL.

Basically Acura doesn't/didn't exist in Europe. The whole car line is
referred to as Honda. What we know as Acura's in the US are just the
upper/top line Honda's in many other countries.

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&gt;
&gt; A friend was in north-central Germany earlier this week.
&gt;
&gt; He says he saw a Dodge Magnum - but with a front end from a 300.
&gt;
&gt; Is Daimler making such a beast for Europe/Germany?
&gt;
&gt; Apparently such odd ball combinations isin't out of the ordinary for
&gt; Europe. Although Jap cars in Germany aren't that common, my buddy saw
&gt; some Honda's with obvious Acura bodywork.
&gt;
&gt; He also said he saw more Crossfires there than he sees around here.
&gt;
&gt; Also - why the two different brands or types of diesel fuel at the gas
&gt; pumps?

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#4: Re: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?

Posted on 2006-07-22 15:52:46 by luv4tn

Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 22:08 (US Central Time)
MoPar Man wrote in rec.autos.makers.chrysler:

&gt; Also - why the two different brands or types of diesel fuel at the gas
&gt; pumps?

Depends on what your friend saw ...

Some stations are selling diesel and so called &quot;Truck-Diesel&quot;. No difference
in fuel it`s only a bit cheaper than the &quot;normal&quot; diesel, since when a
trucker fills up, he buys a considerably bigger amount of diesel.

The other thing could be ... Aral and Shell are selling so called &quot;premium&quot;
gas and diesel (Shell calls it V-Power, can`t remember the Aral brand).
They say it is better gas (gets a greater gas mileage, has a higher octane
number etc.) so they charge you 8 cents mor per litre, but in fact in most
cases it`s a rip-off since most engines don`t really work well with it (my
PT gets the has the worst with the V-Power stuff). Having in mind, that in
the US shell did label their premium grade &quot;V-Power&quot; but didn`t change the
octane number and the price difference to the other grades ... you`ll
probably understand, why I think it is a rip-off.

Talk to you later ... Hans from Germany
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#5: Re: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?

Posted on 2006-07-22 16:12:25 by MoPar Man

Hans Muecke wrote:

&gt; &gt; Also - why the two different brands or types of diesel fuel
&gt; &gt; at the gas pumps?
&gt;
&gt; Aral and Shell are selling so called &quot;premium&quot; gas and diesel
&gt; (Shell calls it V-Power, can`t remember the Aral brand).
&gt; They say it is better gas (gets a greater gas mileage, has
&gt; a higher octane number etc.) so they charge you 8 cents more
&gt; per litre, but in fact in most cases it`s a rip-off since most
&gt; engines don`t really work well with it

Here in north america, Shell's V-Power does have a slightly higher
octane rating than the mid-grade.

I guess in Europe, where diesel is far more common, the fuel retailers
have created an up-branded version of diesel to sell to brand-minded
consumers where here in north america they do it with gasoline instead
of diesel.

With the huge increase in gas prices over the past 3 years I really
wonder who is still buying mid or premium-grade gasoline these days.

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#6: Re: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?

Posted on 2006-07-22 16:14:52 by MoPar Man

CopperTop wrote:

&gt; Dodge Magnums are not sold in Europe. Rather it is called the
&gt; &quot;Chrysler 300 Touring&quot;. It is a Magnum with a 300 front end.

Do they really have to do that?

Would it kill them if they simply took a Magnum off the production
line and stuck a Chrysler badge on it?

Or did their focus groups tell them that a Dodge front-end wouldn't
sell?

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#7: Re: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?

Posted on 2006-07-23 15:27:33 by CopperTop

There are a number of cars that require the higher octane. Many new cars
require it. So it's not just a driver preference item but needed due to the
higher HP, compression or whatever for that particular car. Even the 4
cylinder PT Cruiser GT requires premium fuel.

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&gt; Hans Muecke wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Also - why the two different brands or types of diesel fuel
&gt;&gt; &gt; at the gas pumps?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Aral and Shell are selling so called &quot;premium&quot; gas and diesel
&gt;&gt; (Shell calls it V-Power, can`t remember the Aral brand).
&gt;&gt; They say it is better gas (gets a greater gas mileage, has
&gt;&gt; a higher octane number etc.) so they charge you 8 cents more
&gt;&gt; per litre, but in fact in most cases it`s a rip-off since most
&gt;&gt; engines don`t really work well with it
&gt;
&gt; Here in north america, Shell's V-Power does have a slightly higher
&gt; octane rating than the mid-grade.
&gt;
&gt; I guess in Europe, where diesel is far more common, the fuel retailers
&gt; have created an up-branded version of diesel to sell to brand-minded
&gt; consumers where here in north america they do it with gasoline instead
&gt; of diesel.
&gt;
&gt; With the huge increase in gas prices over the past 3 years I really
&gt; wonder who is still buying mid or premium-grade gasoline these days.

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#8: Octane requirements (was: Re: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?)

Posted on 2006-07-23 16:10:00 by MoPar Man

CopperTop wrote:

&gt; There are a number of cars that require the higher octane.

There are way more cars that don't.

&gt; Many new cars require it.

Name a car under $35k that REQUIRE mid or premium-grade. The 300 with
a V6 doesn't, and maybe not even with the hemi.

&gt; Even the 4 cylinder PT Cruiser GT requires premium fuel.

Only the ones with a turbo.

<a href="http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/wheels/story/14274850p-15084574c.html" target="_blank"> http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/wheels/story/14274850 p-15084574c.html</a>

&quot;According to the Energy Information Administration in Washington,
D.C., the number of U.S. drivers filling up with premium is at its
lowest level in decades.&quot;

&quot;From pricey sports cars to high-performance luxury vehicles and even
some sport-utility vehicles, 21 percent of 2006-model cars on
America's roads require premium gas, according to Edmunds.com,&quot;

---
If this is true (21%) then clearly the media has been missing the
picture as to what to focus on when it comes to vehicles and the cost
of fuel.
---

&quot;sales/deliveries of premium gas dropped by nearly half in just over a
decade, from 65.7 million gallons per day in April 1995 to 34.3
million gallons in April 2006, the most recent monthly statistics
available.&quot;

&quot;Automotive experts say confusion about octane ratings is common among
American motorists who fill up with premium.&quot;

&quot;If premium is only &quot;recommended,&quot; he said, drivers can experiment
with regular in their gas tanks.&quot;

&quot;If you don't have a dramatic drop-off in fuel economy, in all
likelihood, you're OK with the lower grade.&quot;

&quot;Auto industry analysts estimate that 30 percent of U.S. owners of
cars that use regular gas either routinely or occasionally fill up
with premium on the mistaken impression that the higher grade provides
some benefit. An MSNBC report last year said 9 million U.S. motorists
were using premium gas in vehicles not requiring it.&quot;

Some newer cars whose manufacturers either require or recommend using
premium-grade (91 octane or higher) gasoline:

 2006 Porsche Cayenne (SUV): Premium required

 2007 Ford Shelby GT500 high-performance sports car: Premium required

 2006 BMW 760i sedan: Premium required

 2007 Cadillac Escalade SUV: Premium recommended

 2006 Dodge Magnum SRT8 wagon: Premium recommended

 2006 Acura MDX (SUV): Premium recommended

(note how many of these say &quot;recommended&quot;)

See also:

<a href="http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/autos/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002802099" target="_blank"> http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/autos/article_display.jsp?v nu_content_id=1002802099</a>

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#9: Re: Octane requirements (was: Re: Magnums in Germany with 300 front grill/clip ?)

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:36:46 by CopperTop

But all of this doesn't really apply to the question asked. The question
was, &quot;...I wonder who is still buying mid or premium grade gas these days?&quot;
Quite a few are buying it either because their car requires it or the owner
wants it. Regardless of the price of car or equipment installed, there's
quite a few cars burning higher octane fuels. Some of the stations here
even sell 101 octane...at a very high price pushing it as racing fuel. But
it is obviously being used or it wouldn't be at the pump.

My car is not a turbo but I have changed the timing slightly. I use mid
grade only because it spark knocks a little with lower grade. If gas prices
keep climbing, I may retard that timing a little and go back to 87 octane.

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&gt; CopperTop wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; There are a number of cars that require the higher octane.
&gt;
&gt; There are way more cars that don't.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Many new cars require it.
&gt;
&gt; Name a car under $35k that REQUIRE mid or premium-grade. The 300 with
&gt; a V6 doesn't, and maybe not even with the hemi.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Even the 4 cylinder PT Cruiser GT requires premium fuel.
&gt;
&gt; Only the ones with a turbo.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/wheels/story/14274850p-15084574c.html" target="_blank"> http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/wheels/story/14274850 p-15084574c.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; &quot;According to the Energy Information Administration in Washington,
&gt; D.C., the number of U.S. drivers filling up with premium is at its
&gt; lowest level in decades.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;From pricey sports cars to high-performance luxury vehicles and even
&gt; some sport-utility vehicles, 21 percent of 2006-model cars on
&gt; America's roads require premium gas, according to Edmunds.com,&quot;
&gt;
&gt; ---
&gt; If this is true (21%) then clearly the media has been missing the
&gt; picture as to what to focus on when it comes to vehicles and the cost
&gt; of fuel.
&gt; ---
&gt;
&gt; &quot;sales/deliveries of premium gas dropped by nearly half in just over a
&gt; decade, from 65.7 million gallons per day in April 1995 to 34.3
&gt; million gallons in April 2006, the most recent monthly statistics
&gt; available.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Automotive experts say confusion about octane ratings is common among
&gt; American motorists who fill up with premium.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;If premium is only &quot;recommended,&quot; he said, drivers can experiment
&gt; with regular in their gas tanks.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;If you don't have a dramatic drop-off in fuel economy, in all
&gt; likelihood, you're OK with the lower grade.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Auto industry analysts estimate that 30 percent of U.S. owners of
&gt; cars that use regular gas either routinely or occasionally fill up
&gt; with premium on the mistaken impression that the higher grade provides
&gt; some benefit. An MSNBC report last year said 9 million U.S. motorists
&gt; were using premium gas in vehicles not requiring it.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Some newer cars whose manufacturers either require or recommend using
&gt; premium-grade (91 octane or higher) gasoline:
&gt;
&gt; . 2006 Porsche Cayenne (SUV): Premium required
&gt;
&gt; . 2007 Ford Shelby GT500 high-performance sports car: Premium required
&gt;
&gt; . 2006 BMW 760i sedan: Premium required
&gt;
&gt; . 2007 Cadillac Escalade SUV: Premium recommended
&gt;
&gt; . 2006 Dodge Magnum SRT8 wagon: Premium recommended
&gt;
&gt; . 2006 Acura MDX (SUV): Premium recommended
&gt;
&gt; (note how many of these say &quot;recommended&quot;)
&gt;
&gt; See also:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/autos/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002802099" target="_blank"> http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/autos/article_display.jsp?v nu_content_id=1002802099</a>

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