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#1: OT: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 08:55:14 by Dave Henrie

Once again the cycling world has proven that America would clean the
world's clock in soccer if it interested anyone here. After-all, we also
have very little interests in cycling and so we sent over a guy for 7 years
who only had one testicle. All he did was crush what we were told were the
world's best bike riders.(and not one bike had a playing card stuck in the
spokes for that cool 'motorbike' sound.) Imagine, if America was really
serious...you can bet we'd send over someone with two cojones.
So this year we again have to have somebody to ride in the Tour Day
France. Who did we come up with? Just some broken down guy who will have
his hip replaced in a few weeks. Oooh boy. Our top skier is a druken bum.
yet he wins world championships. sheesh.
So back to soccer. I saw the trophy, some dinky little bauble that
resembles the brass covered popcorn box that MTV awards to movies.
Americans like trophies that are huge. UGLY huge. Like that Stanley Tools
trophy they have in Hockey. Or the incredibly garish Borg Warner trophy
for the Indy 500. See? So with such a little teeny tiny trophy, there
is just no way to motivate the American athelete. Therefore we'll have to
continue throwing together a team of leftovers while the real atheletes
play stick and ball sports.


:)

dave henrie

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#2: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 09:54:06 by Jeff Reid

> Therefore we'll have to continue throwing together a team of leftovers
> while the real atheletes play stick and ball sports.

Is that why the USA is doing so well in tennis these days?

How many USA drivers are there in the Indy Racing League, Champ Cars,
or Formula 1?

But you're right, USA doesn't care about soccer (neither do I). For
one the the offsides rule is annoying and reduces the chance to score.
Even a blue line rule for offsides in soccer might help the game.
As it is, it's hard to get excited when many games end up with a 0/0
or 1/1 score and then it's penalty kicks.

As far a the USA doing well in cycling, it could just be a fluke.

As an example, China has dominated table tennis for most of the last
30 years, but there was a 7 year period back in the 1990's where two
Swedish players dominated table tennis. One of them Jan Waldner, is
considered the best table tennis player ever, because of the number
of years he dominated the sport. It was a fluke, as Sweden is a small
country, and there's little chance that another player of that caliber
will ever appear again from Sweeden (or from any country).

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#3: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 14:09:50 by andrew.mcp

<a href="mailto:jeffareid&#64;jeffareid.net" target="_blank">jeffareid&#64;jeffareid.net</a> (Jeff Reid) wrote:

&gt; For one the the offsides rule is annoying and reduces
&gt; the chance to score

The USA will never &quot;get&quot; socc.. I mean football (as in a game played
without using the hands) until it understands it's not the number of
goals that matters. You can have a *great* game where neither side scores.

That in itself guarantees football will never take off in the land where
winning is everything. ;-)

Andrew McP

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#4: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 16:57:49 by p.oxford

Jeff Reid wrote:

&gt; As an example, China has dominated table tennis for most of the last
&gt; 30 years, but there was a 7 year period back in the 1990's where two
&gt; Swedish players dominated table tennis. One of them Jan Waldner, is
&gt; considered the best table tennis player ever, because of the number
&gt; of years he dominated the sport. It was a fluke, as Sweden is a small
&gt; country, and there's little chance that another player of that caliber
&gt; will ever appear again from Sweeden (or from any country).

You mean like Bjorn Borg?

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#5: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 18:31:24 by Mitch A

Funny how D.Henrie can so easily decide what is off/on topic or whether the
conversation meets his on/off topic standards... Has ymenard been reborn as
president of RAS? Fu king hypocrites....

Mitch

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&gt; Once again the cycling world has proven that America

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#6: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 19:03:17 by Jan Verschueren

&quot;Dave Henrie&quot; wrote...
&gt; &lt;snip&gt; while the real atheletes play stick and
&gt; ball sports.

Show me a stick and ball player who can cycle up the Père Sourde and I'll
call him an athlete.

Jan.
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#7: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 19:41:32 by David G Fisher

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&gt; Once again the cycling world has proven that America would clean the
&gt; world's clock in soccer if it interested anyone here. After-all, we also
&gt; have very little interests in cycling and so we sent over a guy for 7
&gt; years
&gt; who only had one testicle. All he did was crush what we were told were
&gt; the
&gt; world's best bike riders.(and not one bike had a playing card stuck in the
&gt; spokes for that cool 'motorbike' sound.) Imagine, if America was really
&gt; serious...you can bet we'd send over someone with two cojones.
&gt; So this year we again have to have somebody to ride in the Tour Day
&gt; France. Who did we come up with? Just some broken down guy who will
&gt; have
&gt; his hip replaced in a few weeks. Oooh boy. Our top skier is a druken
&gt; bum.
&gt; yet he wins world championships. sheesh.
&gt; So back to soccer. I saw the trophy, some dinky little bauble that
&gt; resembles the brass covered popcorn box that MTV awards to movies.
&gt; Americans like trophies that are huge. UGLY huge. Like that Stanley
&gt; Tools
&gt; trophy they have in Hockey. Or the incredibly garish Borg Warner trophy
&gt; for the Indy 500. See? So with such a little teeny tiny trophy, there
&gt; is just no way to motivate the American athelete. Therefore we'll have to
&gt; continue throwing together a team of leftovers while the real atheletes
&gt; play stick and ball sports.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; :)
&gt;
&gt; dave henrie

The one testicled one's (former) best friend (and his wife) said he admitted
to them he used steroids and other illegal enhancements. The guy who won
today only did so because the top riders were taken out of the race because
someone *accused* them of cheating in the past (convenient how it happened a
day or two before the race start). Ruined the race for me. Innocent until
at least SOME proof would be nice....like an admission of guilt to your best
friend.


--
David G Fisher

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#8: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 19:50:12 by Jeff Reid

&gt;&gt; As an example, China has dominated table tennis for most of the last
&gt;&gt; 30 years, but there was a 7 year period back in the 1990's where two
&gt;&gt; Swedish players dominated table tennis. One of them Jan Waldner, is
&gt;&gt; considered the best table tennis player ever, because of the number
&gt;&gt; of years he dominated the sport. It was a fluke, as Sweden is a small
&gt;&gt; country, and there's little chance that another player of that caliber
&gt;&gt; will ever appear again from Sweeden (or from any country).

&gt; You mean like Bjorn Borg?

Similar, but Bjorn Borg won 5 times at Wimbledon, never won the US Open,
and it was a 4 to 5 year period where he was ranked number 1 on and off.
In Jan Waldner's case, after his first win, China built it's team with
the idea of beating Jan-Ove Waldner, but rarely accomplished this.
Waldner didn't have any super shots, but he didn't have any weakness
that could be exploited, so he continued to win many tournaments. This
actually lasted for 10 years or so, and he's been in the top 10 for over
20 years, in spite of the fact the game changed slightly (larger ball,
11 point games).

Here's a short clip of his play, well past his prime, but still a great
player, and he demonstrates his soccer skills at the end of one point.

<a href="http://jeffareid.net/real/tt2.wmv" target="_blank">http://jeffareid.net/real/tt2.wmv</a>

Wiki:

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan-Ove_Waldner" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan-Ove_Waldner</a>

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#9: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 20:03:03 by Jeff Reid

&gt;&gt; For one the the offsides rule is annoying and reduces
&gt;&gt; the chance to score
&gt;
&gt; The USA will never &quot;get&quot; socc.. I mean football (as in a game played
&gt; without using the hands) until it understands it's not the number of
&gt; goals that matters. You can have a *great* game where neither side scores.

There are many soccer fans that agree with me on the offsides rule, especially
when a team gets a lead and the defenders just move up the field a bit,
because of this rule. A blue line rule like hockey would stop that.

I think part of the appeal of soccer is the luck factor, where the underdog
team has a descent chance of winning. You see a similar attitude with fans
that hate the idea of instant replays, because their teams suck, and they
need all the luck and/or bad calls they can't get so their favorite team
or player has some chance of winning.

One the other hand, table tennis rarely has upsets, yet is very popular
outside the USA (Europe and China). Must be a different fan base.

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#10: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:38:27 by redTed

&gt; The one testicled one's (former) best friend (and his wife) said he
&gt; admitted to them he used steroids and other illegal enhancements. The guy
&gt; who won today only did so because the top riders were taken out of the
&gt; race because someone *accused* them of cheating in the past (convenient
&gt; how it happened a day or two before the race start). Ruined the race for
&gt; me. Innocent until at least SOME proof would be nice....like an admission
&gt; of guilt to your best friend.
&gt;

The Tour has been clouded in drugs controversy for years now.
I can't see how anybody can claim it's even remotely clean.
No wonder they are all mutants.

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#11: Re: if America really cared about Soccer

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:44:07 by Trev

redTed wrote:
&gt;&gt;The one testicled one's (former) best friend (and his wife) said he
&gt;&gt;admitted to them he used steroids and other illegal enhancements. The guy
&gt;&gt;who won today only did so because the top riders were taken out of the
&gt;&gt;race because someone *accused* them of cheating in the past (convenient
&gt;&gt;how it happened a day or two before the race start). Ruined the race for
&gt;&gt;me. Innocent until at least SOME proof would be nice....like an admission
&gt;&gt;of guilt to your best friend.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The Tour has been clouded in drugs controversy for years now.
&gt; I can't see how anybody can claim it's even remotely clean.
&gt; No wonder they are all mutants.
&gt;
&gt;
LOL, well said!

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