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#1: Re: Harley Battery Charging System

Posted on 2006-07-15 23:21:48 by dual45s

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&gt;&gt; I have an '06 FLHTCUI and I have a question about the bike's battery
&gt;&gt; charging system. One of the tech's at my local HD shop told me that
&gt;&gt; the charging system doesn't even start charging the battery until you
&gt;&gt; reach 3000 RPM's. If one was to ride the bike as suggested in the
&gt;&gt; owner's manual (using their rather conservative shift points), it seems
&gt;&gt; unlikely that the bike would ever spend much time (if any) charging the
&gt;&gt; battery. Does anyone know if this accurately describes how the bike
&gt;&gt; charges the battery?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I generally have been keeping my tach between 2000-and 2600 while
&gt;&gt; riding. At 3000 rpm's or higher it seems like I'm revving out the
&gt;&gt; engine a bit, not to mention putting a dent in my gas mileage. I have
&gt;&gt; a Stage 1 cleaner/breather and peformance pro mufflers so yea, after
&gt;&gt; the chip flash my rev limiter went up to 6200. Am I &quot;babying&quot; the
&gt;&gt; bike?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Thanks in advance for constructive replies.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I put the Kuryakyn battery gauge on my bike. 1 grand charges I think you
&gt; need to find a new wrench.

Bingo! 1,000 rpm will start charging your battery. Your wrench is off in the
ozone.

--

Wayne
AH52
The road goes on forever

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#2: Re: Harley Battery Charging System

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:38:09 by rationalcop

dual45s wrote:
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&gt; &gt;&gt; I have an '06 FLHTCUI and I have a question about the bike's battery
&gt; &gt;&gt; charging system. One of the tech's at my local HD shop told me that
&gt; &gt;&gt; the charging system doesn't even start charging the battery until you
&gt; &gt;&gt; reach 3000 RPM's. If one was to ride the bike as suggested in the
&gt; &gt;&gt; owner's manual (using their rather conservative shift points), it seems
&gt; &gt;&gt; unlikely that the bike would ever spend much time (if any) charging the
&gt; &gt;&gt; battery. Does anyone know if this accurately describes how the bike
&gt; &gt;&gt; charges the battery?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I generally have been keeping my tach between 2000-and 2600 while
&gt; &gt;&gt; riding. At 3000 rpm's or higher it seems like I'm revving out the
&gt; &gt;&gt; engine a bit, not to mention putting a dent in my gas mileage. I have
&gt; &gt;&gt; a Stage 1 cleaner/breather and peformance pro mufflers so yea, after
&gt; &gt;&gt; the chip flash my rev limiter went up to 6200. Am I &quot;babying&quot; the
&gt; &gt;&gt; bike?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks in advance for constructive replies.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I put the Kuryakyn battery gauge on my bike. 1 grand charges I think you
&gt; &gt; need to find a new wrench.
&gt;
&gt; Bingo! 1,000 rpm will start charging your battery. Your wrench is off in the
&gt; ozone.
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt;
&gt; Wayne
&gt; AH52
&gt; The road goes on forever

Thanks!

Would it be fair to say that the more things I have drawing juice, the
more rpm's I need to charge the battery?

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#3: Re: Harley Battery Charging System

Posted on 2006-07-19 00:20:06 by carl

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&gt;
&gt; dual45s wrote:
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&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I have an '06 FLHTCUI and I have a question about the bike's battery
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; charging system. One of the tech's at my local HD shop told me that
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; the charging system doesn't even start charging the battery until you
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; reach 3000 RPM's. If one was to ride the bike as suggested in the
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; owner's manual (using their rather conservative shift points), it
seems
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; unlikely that the bike would ever spend much time (if any) charging
the
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; battery. Does anyone know if this accurately describes how the bike
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; charges the battery?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I generally have been keeping my tach between 2000-and 2600 while
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; riding. At 3000 rpm's or higher it seems like I'm revving out the
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; engine a bit, not to mention putting a dent in my gas mileage. I
have
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; a Stage 1 cleaner/breather and peformance pro mufflers so yea, after
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; the chip flash my rev limiter went up to 6200. Am I &quot;babying&quot; the
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; bike?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks in advance for constructive replies.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I put the Kuryakyn battery gauge on my bike. 1 grand charges I think
you
&gt; &gt; &gt; need to find a new wrench.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Bingo! 1,000 rpm will start charging your battery. Your wrench is off in
the
&gt; &gt; ozone.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; --
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Wayne
&gt; &gt; AH52
&gt; &gt; The road goes on forever
&gt;
&gt; Thanks!
&gt;
&gt; Would it be fair to say that the more things I have drawing juice, the
&gt; more rpm's I need to charge the battery?
&gt;

I can pull my trailer with the 4 tail lights and run my add on auxiliary
lights and still show the same for charging. I'm running L.E.D lights though
so I can't say that there wouldn't be a tad difference if a analog unit was
used. But I do run the same full charge at 1,500 rpms by my L.E.D lights
that I run down the highway at 2 grand and above. The voltage rectifier /
regulator will sense the battery needs and keep putting the charge needed
back so I'm thinking not as far as your question is concerned. Unless your
trying to light up all the lights on a Semi Tractor I'd think the charging
system will keep up fine with what your putting to it. It doesn't hurt to
check how many amps its pulling from what I was told,,,,,,,but I've been
fine for 3 years with mine like it is.
--




Carl
99 FLSTF
I started out with nothing, and
I just about have that paid for!

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#4: Re: Harley Battery Charging System

Posted on 2006-07-19 17:40:09 by Steve

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| &gt;
| &gt; dual45s wrote:
|| &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I have an '06 FLHTCUI and I have a question about
the bike's battery
| &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; charging system. One of the tech's at my local HD
shop told me that
| &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; the charging system doesn't even start charging the
battery until you
| &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; reach 3000 RPM's. If one was to ride the bike as
suggested in the
| &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; owner's manual (using their rather conservative
shift points), it
| &gt; &gt; &gt;
| &gt; &gt; &gt; I put the Kuryakyn battery gauge on my bike. 1 grand
charges I think
| you
| &gt; &gt; &gt; need to find a new wrench.
| &gt; &gt;
| &gt; &gt; Bingo! 1,000 rpm will start charging your battery.
Your wrench is off in
| the
| &gt; &gt; ozone.
| &gt; &gt;
| &gt; &gt; --
| &gt; &gt;
| &gt; &gt; Wayne
| &gt; &gt; AH52
| &gt; &gt; The road goes on forever
| &gt;
| &gt; Thanks!
| &gt;
| &gt; Would it be fair to say that the more things I have
drawing juice, the
| &gt; more rpm's I need to charge the battery?
| &gt;
|
| I can pull my trailer with the 4 tail lights and run my
add on auxiliary
| lights and still show the same for charging. I'm running
L.E.D lights though
| so I can't say that there wouldn't be a tad difference if
a analog unit was
| used. But I do run the same full charge at 1,500 rpms by
my L.E.D lights
| that I run down the highway at 2 grand and above. The
voltage rectifier /
| regulator will sense the battery needs and keep putting
the charge needed
| back so I'm thinking not as far as your question is
concerned. Unless your
| trying to light up all the lights on a Semi Tractor I'd
think the charging
| system will keep up fine with what your putting to it. It
doesn't hurt to
| check how many amps its pulling from what I was
told,,,,,,,but I've been
| fine for 3 years with mine like it is.
| --
| Carl
| 99 FLSTF
| I started out with nothing, and
| I just about have that paid for!
|
The key to the whole issue of additional lighting is
how much current all items draw in terms of current. Every
alternator (car or motorcycle) has a max capacity and that
should not be exceeded. True, most LED units draw less
current than the equivalent incandescent. It is a good idea
to check now and then to see how much current is being drawn
when all lights and accessories are in use. As long as the
max current level is not exceeded, then no problem. --
steve

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#5: Re: Harley Battery Charging System

Posted on 2006-07-19 23:26:13 by carl

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&gt; | &gt;
&gt; | &gt; dual45s wrote:
&gt; || &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I have an '06 FLHTCUI and I have a question about
&gt; the bike's battery
&gt; | &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; charging system. One of the tech's at my local HD
&gt; shop told me that
&gt; | &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; the charging system doesn't even start charging the
&gt; battery until you
&gt; | &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; reach 3000 RPM's. If one was to ride the bike as
&gt; suggested in the
&gt; | &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; owner's manual (using their rather conservative
&gt; shift points), it
&gt; | &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; | &gt; &gt; &gt; I put the Kuryakyn battery gauge on my bike. 1 grand
&gt; charges I think
&gt; | you
&gt; | &gt; &gt; &gt; need to find a new wrench.
&gt; | &gt; &gt;
&gt; | &gt; &gt; Bingo! 1,000 rpm will start charging your battery.
&gt; Your wrench is off in
&gt; | the
&gt; | &gt; &gt; ozone.
&gt; | &gt; &gt;
&gt; | &gt; &gt; --
&gt; | &gt; &gt;
&gt; | &gt; &gt; Wayne
&gt; | &gt; &gt; AH52
&gt; | &gt; &gt; The road goes on forever
&gt; | &gt;
&gt; | &gt; Thanks!
&gt; | &gt;
&gt; | &gt; Would it be fair to say that the more things I have
&gt; drawing juice, the
&gt; | &gt; more rpm's I need to charge the battery?
&gt; | &gt;
&gt; |
&gt; | I can pull my trailer with the 4 tail lights and run my
&gt; add on auxiliary
&gt; | lights and still show the same for charging. I'm running
&gt; L.E.D lights though
&gt; | so I can't say that there wouldn't be a tad difference if
&gt; a analog unit was
&gt; | used. But I do run the same full charge at 1,500 rpms by
&gt; my L.E.D lights
&gt; | that I run down the highway at 2 grand and above. The
&gt; voltage rectifier /
&gt; | regulator will sense the battery needs and keep putting
&gt; the charge needed
&gt; | back so I'm thinking not as far as your question is
&gt; concerned. Unless your
&gt; | trying to light up all the lights on a Semi Tractor I'd
&gt; think the charging
&gt; | system will keep up fine with what your putting to it. It
&gt; doesn't hurt to
&gt; | check how many amps its pulling from what I was
&gt; told,,,,,,,but I've been
&gt; | fine for 3 years with mine like it is.
&gt; | --
&gt; | Carl
&gt; | 99 FLSTF
&gt; | I started out with nothing, and
&gt; | I just about have that paid for!
&gt; |
&gt; The key to the whole issue of additional lighting is
&gt; how much current all items draw in terms of current. Every
&gt; alternator (car or motorcycle) has a max capacity and that
&gt; should not be exceeded. True, most LED units draw less
&gt; current than the equivalent incandescent. It is a good idea
&gt; to check now and then to see how much current is being drawn
&gt; when all lights and accessories are in use. As long as the
&gt; max current level is not exceeded, then no problem. --
&gt; steve
&gt;
As I stated I have not done that. I am just going by so far so good and
sometimes that's the wrong way to be,,,,after 3 years I'd say I took a
gamble and won.
--




Carl
99 FLSTF
I started out with nothing, and
I just about have that paid for!

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#6: Re: Harley Battery Charging System

Posted on 2006-07-21 17:29:29 by Greg O

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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Would it be fair to say that the more things I have drawing juice, the
&gt; more rpm's I need to charge the battery?
&gt;
Yes!
With my Ultra's engine idling the voltmeter shows 14 volts, until my wife
plugs in her heated jacket, then the voltage drops a bit. That tells me that
bike is not able to keep up at low RPM. Rev it up a bit and the volts climb
back to 14.
All automotive, motorcycle charging systems produce more power with more
RPM, to a point. After a certain RPM little is gained.

--
PoorUB
'05 Ultra Classic
'06 MAMBM

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#7: Re: Harley Battery Charging System

Posted on 2006-07-22 05:13:52 by rationalcop

Greg O wrote:
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&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Would it be fair to say that the more things I have drawing juice, the
&gt; &gt; more rpm's I need to charge the battery?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; Yes!

Thanks.

An update for those interested.

Here's some background that lead me to this tertiary battery charging
question to begin with.

For the last three weeks I have had a problem with my '06 Ultra where
the voltage would suddenly drop to about 12 volts (or just under) and
the check engine and battery discharge lights would light up. This
would happen after the bike had warmed up, it would appear to be
operating at the normal 14 volts or so, from a start or while riding
down the road (regardless of the RPM's I was doing). After anywhere
from 5 seconds to 2 minutes, the voltage would climb back up to 14.
Rinse, wash and repeat several times during a typical &quot;round town&quot;
ride. The only time it seemed to give me a reprieve was during highway
riding.

The first time I went I took it in to be checked out, the tech found a
loose ground wire to the starter and blamed that. Since I had just had
my 1000 mile service done, I wondered how that ground wire came loose
right afterwards. (things that make you go, hmmm) The second trip and
the tech couldn't find anything. The third trip the service manager
said it was the battery leads. EACH time they also insinuated that my
riding could be a problem because they didn't think I was revving it
out enough. Even after I picked up the revs, it persisted. After they
told me about the 3000 rpm charging crap, I showed them that if a
person were to ride the bike as described in the owner's manual, the
battery would never charge based on what they were telling me.

Now, I just had my next service done and I told them find the problem,
and keep the bike until you do. Lo and behold it turns out the voltage
regulator was bad and had to be replaced. It had nothing to do with my
riding whatsoever, and they acknowledged such. I've been
driving/riding manual transmissions (bikes and cars) for 26 years now,
I know how to listen for shifting points, I know how not to &quot;lug&quot; an
engine, and I know how to read a tachometer.

Suffice to say that while I'm not pleased with how long it took to
resolve this problem, I am happy that my bike is finally working
properly.

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