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#1: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 05:24:41 by Roger M

Harley's *new* line up is pretty disappointing. I love their Touring
bikes but damn why trade up? One cubic inch more than a TC95, a six gear
tranny. An engine with shitloads of torque doesn't need six gears it
needs a better ratio spread in the five it had. It's ignorant
engineering if you ask me. They still have the same old hokey exhaust
system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic, same shitty
suspension, shocks and brakes. I guess the marketing gurus and bean
counters are in charge of their upgrades.


Oh well pardon me if I don't ohhh and ahhh at the new bikes.




Roger
whatever!

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#2: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 15:13:14 by Greasy Rider

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:24:41 -0400, Roger M &lt;<a href="mailto:rmauck&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">rmauck&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt;
postulated :
&gt;
&gt; Harley's *new* line up is pretty disappointing. I love their Touring
&gt;bikes but damn why trade up? One cubic inch more than a TC95, a six gear
&gt;tranny. An engine with shitloads of torque doesn't need six gears it
&gt;needs a better ratio spread in the five it had. It's ignorant
&gt;engineering if you ask me.

You are assuming they have an engineering department.

&gt;They still have the same old hokey exhaust
&gt;system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic, same shitty
&gt;suspension, shocks and brakes. I guess the marketing gurus and bean
&gt;counters are in charge of their upgrades.

Willie G and his paint catalog are really in charge. Nothing succeeds
like success.

&gt;Oh well pardon me if I don't ohhh and ahhh at the new bikes.

They have all the aura of the '50 and '60 Volkswagen Beetles except
that was a poor design that was brilliantly executed.





Ride Safe!
Greasy Rider SLOB-6
'97 FLHTCI Lehman trike
53 years of motorcyling
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#3: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 16:16:29 by Barney Rebel

I think they should have done more with the Sportser, give it a new paint
scheme or diiferent seat, these paint schemes have been boring since 04' and
the seats have sucked since the same year. I mean how expensive can it be to
add a little bit of bling to a Sportster....damn!



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&gt;
&gt; Harley's *new* line up is pretty disappointing. I love their Touring
&gt; bikes but damn why trade up? One cubic inch more than a TC95, a six gear
&gt; tranny. An engine with shitloads of torque doesn't need six gears it
&gt; needs a better ratio spread in the five it had. It's ignorant
&gt; engineering if you ask me. They still have the same old hokey exhaust
&gt; system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic, same shitty
&gt; suspension, shocks and brakes. I guess the marketing gurus and bean
&gt; counters are in charge of their upgrades.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Oh well pardon me if I don't ohhh and ahhh at the new bikes.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Roger
&gt; whatever!
&gt;

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#4: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 16:43:17 by dual45s

&quot;Roger M&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rmauck&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">rmauck&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; Harley's *new* line up is pretty disappointing. I love their Touring
&gt; bikes but damn why trade up? One cubic inch more than a TC95, a six gear
&gt; tranny. An engine with shitloads of torque doesn't need six gears it
&gt; needs a better ratio spread in the five it had. It's ignorant
&gt; engineering if you ask me. They still have the same old hokey exhaust
&gt; system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic, same shitty
&gt; suspension, shocks and brakes. I guess the marketing gurus and bean
&gt; counters are in charge of their upgrades.

I agree with you. Most of the changes they made are &quot;nice&quot; but they really
need to address the suspension, handling, and brakes issue.

&gt; Oh well pardon me if I don't ohhh and ahhh at the new bikes.

JMHO but all they did was make some changes to partially catch up to some of
the competition. They did just enough to stimulate a lot of folks wanting a
new bike (like most of us do) to go ahead and make a move. They didn't do
anything that moves them out of dead last (in the touring bike category).
The touring bikes need a new frame, anti-lock brakes with stop right now
power, and suspension that is newer in design than 1989. The flip side is
they will sell the hell out of the new models so why make the changes? The
hard to swallow part is H-D has the ability to make the changes that would
truely modernize thier touring bikes and yet keep the &quot;look&quot; that has made
them so successful. Instead, they pumped out an &quot;improved&quot; model that still
requires you spend some serious $ to address the faults that can be be
addressed (some like the handling just can't be seriously improved). They
just continue to puzzle the hell out of me. They do some things better than
anyone but then they do some things that are amateur night at the Ritz.
--

Wayne
AH52
The road goes on forever

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#5: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 17:22:46 by hawgeye

&quot;Roger M&quot; wrote ...
&gt;
&gt; Harley's *new* line up is pretty disappointing. I love their Touring
&gt; bikes but damn why trade up? One cubic inch more than a TC95, a six gear
&gt; tranny. An engine with shitloads of torque doesn't need six gears it
&gt; needs a better ratio spread in the five it had. It's ignorant
&gt; engineering if you ask me.

I'd have to agree with you about the lineup. Nothing there really appeals
to me except maybe the RoadGlide but it's over-priced, IMO.
Far be it from me to defend ignorant engineering, but what I find amusing is
what took them so long.
The touring models have needed an overdrive for years, whether it be in the
form of 5 or 6 gears doesn't really matter to me but I'm sure it had
something to do with emmisions.and customer request.

&gt; They still have the same old hokey exhaust
&gt; system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic,

I guess that would be inherint to any air-cooled motor. When I'm stuck in
traffic it isn't the exhaust that bothers me it's the overall heat of the
motor that cooks my ass.

&gt; same shitty suspension, shocks and brakes. I guess the marketing gurus
&gt; and bean
&gt; counters are in charge of their upgrades.

Yep! although the brakes have improved since the 90's it doesn't make sence
to put more torque and hp on a bike and not upgrade the stopping capacity at
the same time.


&gt; Oh well pardon me if I don't ohhh and ahhh at the new bikes.

That's OK Roger we wouldn't expect anything less from you. &lt;g&gt;
But ya gotta admit, it's better than wasting time with Beckywhatsherface's
id or TigerJohn's lack of a header.
Or not!

--
hawgeye ©
www.hawgeye.com
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#6: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 19:15:03 by TL Mitchell

&quot;hawgeye&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:hawgeye96&#64;ATTITUDEcomcast.net" target="_blank">hawgeye96&#64;ATTITUDEcomcast.net</a>&gt; wrote

&gt; They still have the same old hokey exhaust
&gt; system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic,

&gt;&gt;I guess that would be inherint to any air-cooled motor. When I'm stuck in
traffic it isn't the exhaust that bothers me it's the overall heat of the
motor that cooks my ass. &lt;&lt;

They did this just fer you:
***************************
Activating Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS)

Upon request of the customer, apply the necessary optional dealer enabled
engine calibration to activate the EITMS capability using the Digital
Technician Tool. Review/explain the following system function to the
customer:

System Function

When engine temperature reaches a pre-determined point, the EITMS will turn
off the rear cylinder fuel injector. Idle speed will be maintained, however
the rear cylinder will
become an &quot;air pump&quot; which will then work to cool the engine. The conditions
required for this to occur are:

? High engine temperature
? Engine must be at idle speed
? Vehicle must not be moving
? Clutch lever must be pulled in or transmission inneutral

When these conditions are met, the rear cylinder will stop firing until one
of the conditions listed above are no longer met. If the vehicle is moving,
the engine temperature drops, the throttle is opened from the idle position,
or the clutch is eased
out while in gear the rear cylinder will again fire normally. When the
engine is in EITMS mode you will notice a difference in idle cadence.
Additionally there may be a unique exhaust odor. These are both considered
to be normal conditions.

NOTE

If customer decides he does not want the EITMS, he may request you to
deactivate it. Each motorcycle (as identified with it's VIN) is entitled to
have EITMS
activated and deactivated once without charge. Charges for additional EITMS
activations or deactivations will be the customer's responsibility. Screamin'
Eagle Stage calibrations are available with active EITMS and without EITMS.
Before installing these calibrations on a customer's vehicle, ensure the
customer customer
understands the EITMS and indicates their choice.
**************************

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#7: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 19:44:37 by Big Al

TL Mitchell wrote:

&gt; Activating Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS)
&gt;
&gt; Upon request of the customer, apply the necessary optional dealer enabled
&gt; engine calibration to activate the EITMS capability using the Digital
&gt; Technician Tool. Review/explain the following system function to the
&gt; customer:
&gt;
&gt; System Function
&gt;
&gt; When engine temperature reaches a pre-determined point, the EITMS will turn
&gt; off the rear cylinder fuel injector. Idle speed will be maintained, however
&gt; the rear cylinder will
&gt; become an &quot;air pump&quot; which will then work to cool the engine. The conditions
&gt; required for this to occur are:
&gt;

&gt; 112


Interesting. S'pose it will have an air hose attachment? ;-)

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#8: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 19:51:51 by TL Mitchell

&quot;Roger M&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rmauck&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">rmauck&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote

&gt; Harley's *new* line up is pretty disappointing.

And probably always will be compared to the things they *ought* to and have
the capability to do.

&gt; I love their Touring
&gt; bikes but damn why trade up?

Depends on yer point of view and what yer looking for. On my Y2K barge the
3.37 primary gearing was just right goin' through the gears. Needed either
another cog or a higher 5th gear for the highway though. On the '05 the 3.15
primary gearing sucks..... always feel like I'm in the wrong gear loafing
through town but the revs dropped over 300 at 70 mph compared to the '00 and
the gas mileage improved. Always figgered the lower primary gearing and the
6th gear coupled with a bit more oomph would be the better recipe.... it's
what I was waiting for. The change to a better cam-chain design was overdue
as well.

Yeah, I coulda done a 95&quot; kit, geared cams and a 6-speed overdrive.......
but I've got a problem with dropping an additional ton of cash into a bike
that I'm not gonna keep forever to make it the way it *should* have come
from the factory. Many folks have been expecting H-D to beef up the engine
and add another cog, now they have. I woulda never swapped the Y2K on the
'05 except the old barge was getting enough miles on it that it that it had
to go. I figgered once you hit 100k nobody's gonna buy it and a dealer isn't
gonna give you anything on trade.

&gt; They still have the same old hokey exhaust
&gt; system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic,

A pair of O2 bungs in the true duals and problem solved.

&gt;same shitty
&gt; suspension, shocks and brakes. I guess the marketing gurus and bean
&gt; counters are in charge of their upgrades.

As it has been for a long time.

&gt; Oh well pardon me if I don't ohhh and ahhh at the new bikes.

It isn't required. However, IMO, the marketing goobers were looking for a
way to entice folks to trade up. Face it, for the last coupla years everyone
that wanted a new Twin Cam could get one, probably in the color of their
choice. The dealers cried for years about not getting enough bikes.... now
they're crying that production is too high and in many markets they have to
*compete* for a change. The stream of 1st-time buyers has slowed so the
other source is repeat buyers. When that slows you'll probably see a new
touring frame or anti-lock brakes or whatever. And after that it'll be a
water-cooled bagger.

Changes is H-D's product line has always been incremental and probably
always will be. Sooner or later they might do something that trips your
particular trigger.

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#9: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 19:54:47 by TL Mitchell

&quot;dual45s&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dual45s&#64;tampabay.rr.com" target="_blank">dual45s&#64;tampabay.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote

&gt;&gt;The touring bikes need........brakes with stop right now power.......

I dunno, the brakes on the '05 Ultrabarge work pretty well. Just ask those
that are behind me &lt;sfsf&gt;

112 &lt;----- panic stops for yellow lights

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#10: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 19:58:33 by TL Mitchell

&quot;big al&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; TL Mitchell wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Activating Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS)

&gt; Interesting. S'pose it will have an air hose attachment? ;-)

Only to be used for blow-drying and styling before removal from the trailer.

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#11: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 20:01:26 by Big Al

TL Mitchell wrote:
&gt; &quot;big al&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com" target="_blank">bslug205&#64;NOSPAM_SUCKAyahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:44ba7b05$<a href="mailto:1&#64;127.0.0.1..." target="_blank">1&#64;127.0.0.1...</a>
&gt;&gt; TL Mitchell wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Activating Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS)
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Interesting. S'pose it will have an air hose attachment? ;-)
&gt;
&gt; Only to be used for blow-drying and styling before removal from the trailer.
&gt;
&gt; 112
&gt;
&gt;

Ya gonna have the dealer turn that thing off, or try it out?

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#14: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-16 23:59:29 by TL Mitchell

&lt;<a href="mailto:me&#64;nopam.com" target="_blank">me&#64;nopam.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:54:47 GMT, &quot;TL Mitchell&quot;
&gt; &lt;tlmitchell99(MyJohnson)@earthlink.net&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;dual45s&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dual45s&#64;tampabay.rr.com" target="_blank">dual45s&#64;tampabay.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The touring bikes need........brakes with stop right now power.......
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I dunno, the brakes on the '05 Ultrabarge work pretty well. Just ask those
&gt;&gt;that are behind me &lt;sfsf&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Bob don;t count, he was watching TV!

Well, *that* explains everything!

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#15: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:08:31 by Roger M

TL Mitchell wrote:

&gt; &quot;Roger M&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rmauck&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">rmauck&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Harley's *new* line up is pretty disappointing.
&gt;
&gt; And probably always will be compared to the things they *ought* to and have
&gt; the capability to do.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I love their Touring
&gt; &gt; bikes but damn why trade up?
&gt;
&gt; Depends on yer point of view and what yer looking for. On my Y2K barge the
&gt; 3.37 primary gearing was just right goin' through the gears. Needed either
&gt; another cog or a higher 5th gear for the highway though. On the '05 the 3.15
&gt; primary gearing sucks..... always feel like I'm in the wrong gear loafing
&gt; through town but the revs dropped over 300 at 70 mph compared to the '00 and
&gt; the gas mileage improved. Always figgered the lower primary gearing and the
&gt; 6th gear coupled with a bit more oomph would be the better recipe.... it's
&gt; what I was waiting for. The change to a better cam-chain design was overdue
&gt; as well.
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, I coulda done a 95&quot; kit, geared cams and a 6-speed overdrive.......
&gt; but I've got a problem with dropping an additional ton of cash into a bike
&gt; that I'm not gonna keep forever to make it the way it *should* have come
&gt; from the factory. Many folks have been expecting H-D to beef up the engine
&gt; and add another cog, now they have. I woulda never swapped the Y2K on the
&gt; '05 except the old barge was getting enough miles on it that it that it had
&gt; to go. I figgered once you hit 100k nobody's gonna buy it and a dealer isn't
&gt; gonna give you anything on trade.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; They still have the same old hokey exhaust
&gt; &gt; system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic,
&gt;
&gt; A pair of O2 bungs in the true duals and problem solved.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;same shitty
&gt; &gt; suspension, shocks and brakes. I guess the marketing gurus and bean
&gt; &gt; counters are in charge of their upgrades.
&gt;
&gt; As it has been for a long time.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Oh well pardon me if I don't ohhh and ahhh at the new bikes.
&gt;
&gt; It isn't required. However, IMO, the marketing goobers were looking for a
&gt; way to entice folks to trade up. Face it, for the last coupla years everyone
&gt; that wanted a new Twin Cam could get one, probably in the color of their
&gt; choice. The dealers cried for years about not getting enough bikes.... now
&gt; they're crying that production is too high and in many markets they have to
&gt; *compete* for a change. The stream of 1st-time buyers has slowed so the
&gt; other source is repeat buyers. When that slows you'll probably see a new
&gt; touring frame or anti-lock brakes or whatever. And after that it'll be a
&gt; water-cooled bagger.
&gt;
&gt; Changes is H-D's product line has always been incremental and probably
&gt; always will be. Sooner or later they might do something that trips your
&gt; particular trigger.
&gt;
&gt; 112

I liked the higher primary gears it was one of the very first things I did to
my '01. It took away some of the snap but did lower the R's on the highway. I
did do a '95 on my '05 along with a set of their heads that I mildly reworked.
At this stage my bike could easily handle a higher overall gear ratio and I
think that's what I'm going to do. I just think it's a shame with all of the
money the company has made that they aren't re-investing it and moving way ahead
of where they're at. I was thinkin' a lot of people have spent the money on
their bikes to make them do what they want and the latest offerings aren't much
of a forward move to make them do it all over again.




Roger
I do likes them
O-2 sensors though

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#16: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:16:12 by TL Mitchell

&quot;Roger M&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rmauck&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">rmauck&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote

&lt;major snippage&gt;

&gt;&gt;I do likes them O-2 sensors though &lt;&lt;

SE breather and slipons, no more ECM flashes :) I can live with the 5200 rev
limiter. Gotta find someone to weld some bungs in my duals though. Mebbe
I'll make an intrepid search of the Yellow Pages for a robust bunghole
specialist............ ummm, or not!

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#17: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:37:12 by Roger M

TL Mitchell wrote:

&gt; &quot;Roger M&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rmauck&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">rmauck&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;
&gt; &lt;major snippage&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;I do likes them O-2 sensors though &lt;&lt;
&gt;
&gt; SE breather and slipons, no more ECM flashes :) I can live with the 5200 rev
&gt; limiter. Gotta find someone to weld some bungs in my duals though. Mebbe
&gt; I'll make an intrepid search of the Yellow Pages for a robust bunghole
&gt; specialist............ ummm, or not!
&gt;
&gt; 112



I've got them bungs in stock and the TIg to put 'em in with. As far as no more
ecm flashes goes maybe maybe not. A feedback (auto anyway) system only has a
certain range of adjustment and beyond that it can't do. From the work I've been
doing in FI lately I believe all OE systems made to be EPA and CARB emissions
legal have these limits built into them. I don't know if bike feedback systems
are different or not though. I would think they do since they have to be
approved too. I wonder if they use what are now referred to as A/F sensors
(wideband) or if they use the old O-2 sensors. I guess as these bikes get out
there and modified the info on them will become more available.




Roger
Not a bunghole
specialist but I got
plenty of 'em

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#18: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-17 20:38:54 by Eric Johnson

&quot;TL Mitchell&quot; &lt;tlmitchell99(MyJohnson)@earthlink.net&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; When engine temperature reaches a pre-determined point, the EITMS will
&gt; turn off the rear cylinder fuel injector. Idle speed will be maintained,
&gt; however the rear cylinder will
&gt; become an &quot;air pump&quot; which will then work to cool the engine. The
&gt; conditions required for this to occur are:
&gt;
&gt; ? High engine temperature
&gt; ? Engine must be at idle speed
&gt; ? Vehicle must not be moving
&gt; ? Clutch lever must be pulled in or transmission inneutral


Doesn't matter. No potato, potato sound on one cylinder. Oh, engine must
be at idle speed? I thought it was required to rev the engine every 4-6
seconds while at a stop. How long does it take to kick in and out?

Hmmmm.

EJ

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#19: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-17 23:17:35 by Dave Schultheis

big al wrote:

&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Activating Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS)

It sounds like T.L. made up the whole thing. &lt;g&gt;

&gt; &gt;&gt; Interesting. S'pose it will have an air hose attachment? ;-)

You may laugh, but that _was_ done at Slimefest in the Wamic
Valley (Pine Hollow Lakeside Resort, as I recall), when Randy
had to change a tire. Or blow up an air mattress, or something.

He had a device that screwed into the spark plug hole and aired
up whatever it was that needed airing up, and it worked well.


Dave S.

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#20: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-18 01:19:15 by ah104

Roger M sed:
&lt;snip some&gt;
&gt;I love their Touring bikes but damn why trade up?
&gt;One cubic inch more than a TC95, a six gear tranny.
&lt;snip some more&gt;
&gt;same shitty suspension, shocks and brakes.

I gotta agree with ya Roger.
I've been waiting for the stopping...

Go fast is easy.
Stop fast takes a little more work.

ASSHOLE#104 Len

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#21: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:36:26 by Phil Boutros

Dave Schultheis &lt;<a href="mailto:dave6592&#64;accesscom.com" target="_blank">dave6592&#64;accesscom.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; You may laugh, but that _was_ done at Slimefest in the Wamic
&gt; Valley (Pine Hollow Lakeside Resort, as I recall), when Randy
&gt; had to change a tire. Or blow up an air mattress, or something.

I actually wanted to see that in action, but I was busy
changing a top motor mount at the time, IIRC...

Randy, how well does that thing work?

On an unrelated note, Dave, you'll be happy to hear that you
can now finally get Mountain Dew *with* caffeine here in Canada. It
is sold under the &quot;Mountain Dew Fuel&quot; (alleged energy drink) monicker.


Phil...the &quot;I missed all the cowboy action, too...&quot; Asshole(tm)...
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#22: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-23 03:40:03 by Phil Boutros

hawgeye &lt;<a href="mailto:hawgeye96&#64;ATTITUDEcomcast.net" target="_blank">hawgeye96&#64;ATTITUDEcomcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; The touring models have needed an overdrive for years, whether it be in the
&gt; form of 5 or 6 gears doesn't really matter to me but I'm sure it had
&gt; something to do with emmisions.and customer request.

Well, heck, it's *still* not an overdrive. Final tranny
ration is still 1:1, but they changed the gearing to take advantage of
the 6th gear.

&gt; Yep! although the brakes have improved since the 90's it doesn't make sence
&gt; to put more torque and hp on a bike and not upgrade the stopping capacity at
&gt; the same time.

Agreed on that. Although the 4-piston calipers seem to be
somewhat of an improvement, their main problem is that they are so
damn hard to bleed thoroughly. Most of the ones I saw in the field
(even brand new out of the crate) were marginally *worse* than my old
style '89 brakes that are properly bled.

And why they stopped making the calipers float is beyond me.
That bought *tons* of complaints of noisy brakes (the ol' &quot;woosh
woosh&quot; noise), uneven wear of pads, premature wear of pads, warped
disks, etc...Kind of common sense, I thought, that either the caliper
and/or rotors should float for best results.

But what do I know, I aren't an engine-eer (but may become
one, who knows).


Phil
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#23: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-23 11:50:42 by Coasty

&quot;TL Mitchell&quot; &lt;tlmitchell99(MyJohnson)@earthlink.net&gt; wrote in message
news:ruuug.240$<a href="mailto:bP5.131&#64;newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net..." target="_blank">bP5.131&#64;newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...</a>
&gt; &quot;hawgeye&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:hawgeye96&#64;ATTITUDEcomcast.net" target="_blank">hawgeye96&#64;ATTITUDEcomcast.net</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;
&gt;&gt; They still have the same old hokey exhaust
&gt;&gt; system that burns the fuck outta your leg in traffic,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I guess that would be inherint to any air-cooled motor. When I'm stuck
&gt;&gt;&gt;in
&gt; traffic it isn't the exhaust that bothers me it's the overall heat of the
&gt; motor that cooks my ass. &lt;&lt;
&gt;
&gt; They did this just fer you:
&gt; ***************************
&gt; Activating Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS)
&gt;
&gt; Upon request of the customer, apply the necessary optional dealer enabled
&gt; engine calibration to activate the EITMS capability using the Digital
&gt; Technician Tool. Review/explain the following system function to the
&gt; customer:
&gt;
&gt; System Function
&gt;
&gt; When engine temperature reaches a pre-determined point, the EITMS will
&gt; turn off the rear cylinder fuel injector. Idle speed will be maintained,
&gt; however the rear cylinder will
&gt; become an &quot;air pump&quot; which will then work to cool the engine. The
&gt; conditions required for this to occur are:
&gt;
&gt; ? High engine temperature
&gt; ? Engine must be at idle speed
&gt; ? Vehicle must not be moving
&gt; ? Clutch lever must be pulled in or transmission inneutral
&gt;
&gt; When these conditions are met, the rear cylinder will stop firing until
&gt; one of the conditions listed above are no longer met. If the vehicle is
&gt; moving, the engine temperature drops, the throttle is opened from the idle
&gt; position, or the clutch is eased
&gt; out while in gear the rear cylinder will again fire normally. When the
&gt; engine is in EITMS mode you will notice a difference in idle cadence.
&gt; Additionally there may be a unique exhaust odor. These are both considered
&gt; to be normal conditions.
&gt;
&gt; NOTE
&gt;
&gt; If customer decides he does not want the EITMS, he may request you to
&gt; deactivate it. Each motorcycle (as identified with it's VIN) is entitled
&gt; to have EITMS
&gt; activated and deactivated once without charge. Charges for additional
&gt; EITMS
&gt; activations or deactivations will be the customer's responsibility.
&gt; Screamin' Eagle Stage calibrations are available with active EITMS and
&gt; without EITMS. Before installing these calibrations on a customer's
&gt; vehicle, ensure the customer customer
&gt; understands the EITMS and indicates their choice.
&gt; **************************
&gt;
&gt; 112
You for got that all models will have to be E85 fueled
Coasty

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#24: Re: It's 2003 all over again

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:05:10 by Dennis Peterson

Phil Boutros wrote:
&gt; hawgeye &lt;<a href="mailto:hawgeye96&#64;ATTITUDEcomcast.net" target="_blank">hawgeye96&#64;ATTITUDEcomcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; The touring models have needed an overdrive for years, whether it be in the
&gt;&gt; form of 5 or 6 gears doesn't really matter to me but I'm sure it had
&gt;&gt; something to do with emmisions.and customer request.
&gt;
&gt; Well, heck, it's *still* not an overdrive. Final tranny
&gt; ration is still 1:1, but they changed the gearing to take advantage of
&gt; the 6th gear.
&gt;

I think it's prolly better than overdrive. Those put a lot of shear
pressure on the shafts because the gears try to push away from each
other. Tweaking the sprocket ratio lets them run higher ratios through
out the gearbox and so less shear force on the expensive parts. This
translates to less gear wear and bruised oil molecules, and better
bearing life.

Or it's just a gimmick.

dp

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