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#1: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-10 15:31:52 by Pete Stolz

I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
Thanks, Pete

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#2: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-10 18:21:07 by Keep YerSpam

Pete Stolz wrote:

> I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
> actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
> with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
> were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
> there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
> good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
> Thanks, Pete

I'd think for an inexperienced driver (especialy one you care about) an
old Jeep would be a terrible daily driver. I wouldn't put my kids in a
vehicle known for terrible balance problems. Even with a rollbar, it's
not a very safe vehicle to drive on modern roads in modern traffic.

That being said, try the WillysTech.com board if you really want to find
an old Jeep. That's where I found mine. Maybe you can steer her toward a
safer option like a pre-71 Jeepster Commando. Still looks like an old
Jeep, still probably the only one she'll see in the high school parking
lot and infinitely safer on the road. After all, they were designed &
marketed to be driven like cars for people who loved Jeeps in the first
place. Good luck finding one in Wisconsin that isn't a rust bucket, but
they are around though. I brought mine back here from California. Turns
heads all over southern Wisconsin now.

Cheers,
- JJ
67 Kaiser Jeepster Commando
225 Dauntless V6, T400 auto, 3.73 gears
Mostly bone stock and still cool as all get out ;)

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#3: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-10 18:25:34 by twaldron

I agree. Not practical nor safe for a beginner. Why not find her one of
these?

&lt;<a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jeep.cl/wallpaper/wrangler/willys.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.jeep.cl/wallpaper/wrangler/10.asp&amp;h=768&amp;w=1024&amp;sz=254&amp;hl=en&amp;start=22&amp;tbnid=g_qQEqSM5SxRSM:&amp;tbnh=112&amp;tbnw=150&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2Bjeep%2Bwilly%2527s%2Bwrangler%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-23,GGLG:en%26sa%3DN" target="_blank"> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jeep.cl/wa llpaper/wrangler/willys.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.jeep.cl /wallpaper/wrangler/10.asp&amp;h=768&amp;w=1024&amp;sz=254&a mp;hl=en&amp;start=22&amp;tbnid=g_qQEqSM5SxRSM:&amp;tbnh=112 &amp;tbnw=150&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2Bjeep%2Bwilly%2527s%2 Bwrangler%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26 lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-23,GGLG:en%26sa%3DN</a>&gt;

tw
____________________________________________________________ _________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

&quot;There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.&quot;

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80&quot; wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
____________________________________________________________ _________

Keep YerSpam wrote:
&gt; Pete Stolz wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
&gt;&gt; actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
&gt;&gt; with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
&gt;&gt; were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
&gt;&gt; there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
&gt;&gt; good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
&gt;&gt; Thanks, Pete
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I'd think for an inexperienced driver (especialy one you care about) an
&gt; old Jeep would be a terrible daily driver. I wouldn't put my kids in a
&gt; vehicle known for terrible balance problems. Even with a rollbar, it's
&gt; not a very safe vehicle to drive on modern roads in modern traffic.

&gt; Cheers,
&gt; - JJ
&gt; 67 Kaiser Jeepster Commando
&gt; 225 Dauntless V6, T400 auto, 3.73 gears
&gt; Mostly bone stock and still cool as all get out ;)

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#4: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-10 18:28:58 by twaldron

Here's one:

&lt;<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-Wrangler-X-Willys-edition-excellent-condition-16km_W0QQitemZ180005225670QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6285QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_blank"> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-Wrangler-X-Willys-edition- excellent-condition-16km_W0QQitemZ180005225670QQihZ008QQcate goryZ6285QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>&gt;

tw
____________________________________________________________ _________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

&quot;There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.&quot;

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80&quot; wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
____________________________________________________________ _________


twaldron wrote:
&gt; I agree. Not practical nor safe for a beginner. Why not find her one of
&gt; these?
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jeep.cl/wallpaper/wrangler/willys.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.jeep.cl/wallpaper/wrangler/10.asp&amp;h=768&amp;w=1024&amp;sz=254&amp;hl=en&amp;start=22&amp;tbnid=g_qQEqSM5SxRSM:&amp;tbnh=112&amp;tbnw=150&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2Bjeep%2Bwilly%2527s%2Bwrangler%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-23,GGLG:en%26sa%3DN" target="_blank"> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jeep.cl/wa llpaper/wrangler/willys.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.jeep.cl /wallpaper/wrangler/10.asp&amp;h=768&amp;w=1024&amp;sz=254&a mp;hl=en&amp;start=22&amp;tbnid=g_qQEqSM5SxRSM:&amp;tbnh=112 &amp;tbnw=150&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2Bjeep%2Bwilly%2527s%2 Bwrangler%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26 lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-23,GGLG:en%26sa%3DN</a>&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; tw
&gt; ____________________________________________________________ _________
&gt; 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
&gt;
&gt; &quot;There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
&gt;
&gt; Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
&gt; A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80&quot; wheelbase, 1/4-ton
&gt; capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
&gt; ____________________________________________________________ _________
&gt;
&gt; Keep YerSpam wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Pete Stolz wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
&gt;&gt;&gt; actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
&gt;&gt;&gt; with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
&gt;&gt;&gt; were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
&gt;&gt;&gt; there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
&gt;&gt;&gt; good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks, Pete
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'd think for an inexperienced driver (especialy one you care about)
&gt;&gt; an old Jeep would be a terrible daily driver. I wouldn't put my kids
&gt;&gt; in a vehicle known for terrible balance problems. Even with a rollbar,
&gt;&gt; it's not a very safe vehicle to drive on modern roads in modern traffic.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Cheers,
&gt;&gt; - JJ
&gt;&gt; 67 Kaiser Jeepster Commando
&gt;&gt; 225 Dauntless V6, T400 auto, 3.73 gears
&gt;&gt; Mostly bone stock and still cool as all get out ;)

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#5: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-10 20:03:19 by mr X

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:31:52 +0000, Pete Stolz wrote:

&gt; I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
&gt; actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
&gt; with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
&gt; were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
&gt; there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
&gt; good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
&gt; Thanks, Pete

Not a good idea. If Nader had taken /those/ on for safety issues, he
might not be considered the dork he is today.

YMMV.

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#6: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-10 20:06:12 by Pete Stolz

Keep YerSpam wrote:
&gt; Pete Stolz wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
&gt;&gt; actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
&gt;&gt; with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
&gt;&gt; were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
&gt;&gt; there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
&gt;&gt; good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
&gt;&gt; Thanks, Pete
&gt;
&gt; I'd think for an inexperienced driver (especialy one you care about) an
&gt; old Jeep would be a terrible daily driver. I wouldn't put my kids in a
&gt; vehicle known for terrible balance problems. Even with a rollbar, it's
&gt; not a very safe vehicle to drive on modern roads in modern traffic.
&gt;
&gt; That being said, try the WillysTech.com board if you really want to find
&gt; an old Jeep. That's where I found mine. Maybe you can steer her toward a
&gt; safer option like a pre-71 Jeepster Commando. Still looks like an old
&gt; Jeep, still probably the only one she'll see in the high school parking
&gt; lot and infinitely safer on the road. After all, they were designed &amp;
&gt; marketed to be driven like cars for people who loved Jeeps in the first
&gt; place. Good luck finding one in Wisconsin that isn't a rust bucket, but
&gt; they are around though. I brought mine back here from California. Turns
&gt; heads all over southern Wisconsin now.
&gt;
&gt; Cheers,
&gt; - JJ
&gt; 67 Kaiser Jeepster Commando
&gt; 225 Dauntless V6, T400 auto, 3.73 gears
&gt; Mostly bone stock and still cool as all get out ;)


That is very good advice about the inexperienced driver. She'll only be
driving it about a mile and a half to school in light, small-town
traffic, so it shouldn't be a huge deal. Plus, it will be boatloads of
fun for me. (the truth finally comes out.) If she wants to take a
longer trip, she can take my Durango.

I like the Jeepster idea, and I've always been a fan of them. I saw one
for sale in Green Bay a few days ago. In addition to the safety issue,
it might be a little easier for her to turn the steering wheel too.
Thanks for the help
Pete

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#7: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-10 20:19:44 by Pete Stolz

Keep YerSpam wrote:
&gt; Pete Stolz wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
&gt;&gt; actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
&gt;&gt; with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
&gt;&gt; were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
&gt;&gt; there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
&gt;&gt; good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
&gt;&gt; Thanks, Pete
&gt;
&gt; I'd think for an inexperienced driver (especialy one you care about) an
&gt; old Jeep would be a terrible daily driver. I wouldn't put my kids in a
&gt; vehicle known for terrible balance problems. Even with a rollbar, it's
&gt; not a very safe vehicle to drive on modern roads in modern traffic.
&gt;
&gt; That being said, try the WillysTech.com board if you really want to find
&gt; an old Jeep. That's where I found mine. Maybe you can steer her toward a
&gt; safer option like a pre-71 Jeepster Commando. Still looks like an old
&gt; Jeep, still probably the only one she'll see in the high school parking
&gt; lot and infinitely safer on the road. After all, they were designed &amp;
&gt; marketed to be driven like cars for people who loved Jeeps in the first
&gt; place. Good luck finding one in Wisconsin that isn't a rust bucket, but
&gt; they are around though. I brought mine back here from California. Turns
&gt; heads all over southern Wisconsin now.
&gt;
&gt; Cheers,
&gt; - JJ
&gt; 67 Kaiser Jeepster Commando
&gt; 225 Dauntless V6, T400 auto, 3.73 gears
&gt; Mostly bone stock and still cool as all get out ;)


That is very good advice about the inexperienced driver. She'll only be
driving it about a mile and a half to school in light, small-town
traffic, so it shouldn't be a huge deal. Plus, it will be boatloads of
fun for me. (the truth finally comes out.) If she wants to take a
longer trip, she can take my Durango.

I like the Jeepster idea, and I've always been a fan of them. I saw one
for sale in Green Bay a few days ago. In addition to the safety issue,
it might be a little easier for her to turn the steering wheel too.
Thanks for the help
Pete

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#8: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-11 05:02:16 by Lon

Keep YerSpam proclaimed:

&gt; Pete Stolz wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
&gt;&gt; actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
&gt;&gt; with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
&gt;&gt; were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
&gt;&gt; there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
&gt;&gt; good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
&gt;&gt; Thanks, Pete
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I'd think for an inexperienced driver (especialy one you care about) an
&gt; old Jeep would be a terrible daily driver. I wouldn't put my kids in a
&gt; vehicle known for terrible balance problems. Even with a rollbar, it's
&gt; not a very safe vehicle to drive on modern roads in modern traffic.

Agreed. The older military versions were so bad that the commanding
general of White Sands mandated full roll cages on all of the 1/4 ton
models whilst I was there. Too many accidents.

Plus highway cruising is more hypothetical than possible.
&gt;
&gt; That being said, try the WillysTech.com board if you really want to find
&gt; an old Jeep. That's where I found mine. Maybe you can steer her toward a
&gt; safer option like a pre-71 Jeepster Commando. Still looks like an old
&gt; Jeep, still probably the only one she'll see in the high school parking
&gt; lot and infinitely safer on the road. After all, they were designed &amp;
&gt; marketed to be driven like cars for people who loved Jeeps in the first
&gt; place. Good luck finding one in Wisconsin that isn't a rust bucket, but
&gt; they are around though. I brought mine back here from California. Turns
&gt; heads all over southern Wisconsin now.

Easier to paint a more modern unit with military paint than to turn a
military model into a good off-road and on-road unit. Have done it with
a small block 265 and welded wide wheels, but arguably cost more than a
decent civilian Jeep.

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#9: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-11 05:49:31 by Pete Stolz

Lon wrote:
&gt; Keep YerSpam proclaimed:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Pete Stolz wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
&gt;&gt;&gt; actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
&gt;&gt;&gt; with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the mv's
&gt;&gt;&gt; were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an MV show
&gt;&gt;&gt; there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what would be a
&gt;&gt;&gt; good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where to get it?
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks, Pete
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'd think for an inexperienced driver (especialy one you care about)
&gt;&gt; an old Jeep would be a terrible daily driver. I wouldn't put my kids
&gt;&gt; in a vehicle known for terrible balance problems. Even with a rollbar,
&gt;&gt; it's not a very safe vehicle to drive on modern roads in modern traffic.
&gt;
&gt; Agreed. The older military versions were so bad that the commanding
&gt; general of White Sands mandated full roll cages on all of the 1/4 ton
&gt; models whilst I was there. Too many accidents.
&gt;
&gt; Plus highway cruising is more hypothetical than possible.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; That being said, try the WillysTech.com board if you really want to
&gt;&gt; find an old Jeep. That's where I found mine. Maybe you can steer her
&gt;&gt; toward a safer option like a pre-71 Jeepster Commando. Still looks
&gt;&gt; like an old Jeep, still probably the only one she'll see in the high
&gt;&gt; school parking lot and infinitely safer on the road. After all, they
&gt;&gt; were designed &amp; marketed to be driven like cars for people who loved
&gt;&gt; Jeeps in the first place. Good luck finding one in Wisconsin that
&gt;&gt; isn't a rust bucket, but they are around though. I brought mine back
&gt;&gt; here from California. Turns heads all over southern Wisconsin now.
&gt;
&gt; Easier to paint a more modern unit with military paint than to turn a
&gt; military model into a good off-road and on-road unit. Have done it with
&gt; a small block 265 and welded wide wheels, but arguably cost more than a
&gt; decent civilian Jeep.
&gt;
&gt;
If I do end up doing it, it will have a full cage and shoulder belts,
with high back buckets. She'll NOT be using it on the highway if I get
one for me, I mean her.

I started this thread not really stressing the safety aspect, but fear
not, it is a major consideration, and it's heartening to get so many
replies stressing it. Thanks a lot for the input.

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#10: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-11 17:00:53 by Lon

Pete Stolz proclaimed:

&gt; Lon wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Keep YerSpam proclaimed:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Pete Stolz wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm looking to buy an old WWII military jeep for my daughter (She's
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; actually the one who suggested it, and I'm sure I won't have ANY fun
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with it :) ) I went to the Iola car show yesterday, but all the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; mv's were gone! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I know there's an
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; MV show there in August, but anybody have any suggestions on what
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; would be a good one for her to drive (just to high school) and where
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to get it? Thanks, Pete
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'd think for an inexperienced driver (especialy one you care about)
&gt;&gt;&gt; an old Jeep would be a terrible daily driver. I wouldn't put my kids
&gt;&gt;&gt; in a vehicle known for terrible balance problems. Even with a
&gt;&gt;&gt; rollbar, it's not a very safe vehicle to drive on modern roads in
&gt;&gt;&gt; modern traffic.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Agreed. The older military versions were so bad that the commanding
&gt;&gt; general of White Sands mandated full roll cages on all of the 1/4 ton
&gt;&gt; models whilst I was there. Too many accidents.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Plus highway cruising is more hypothetical than possible.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; That being said, try the WillysTech.com board if you really want to
&gt;&gt;&gt; find an old Jeep. That's where I found mine. Maybe you can steer her
&gt;&gt;&gt; toward a safer option like a pre-71 Jeepster Commando. Still looks
&gt;&gt;&gt; like an old Jeep, still probably the only one she'll see in the high
&gt;&gt;&gt; school parking lot and infinitely safer on the road. After all, they
&gt;&gt;&gt; were designed &amp; marketed to be driven like cars for people who loved
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jeeps in the first place. Good luck finding one in Wisconsin that
&gt;&gt;&gt; isn't a rust bucket, but they are around though. I brought mine back
&gt;&gt;&gt; here from California. Turns heads all over southern Wisconsin now.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Easier to paint a more modern unit with military paint than to turn a
&gt;&gt; military model into a good off-road and on-road unit. Have done it
&gt;&gt; with a small block 265 and welded wide wheels, but arguably cost more
&gt;&gt; than a decent civilian Jeep.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt; If I do end up doing it, it will have a full cage and shoulder belts,
&gt; with high back buckets. She'll NOT be using it on the highway if I get
&gt; one for me, I mean her.

I dunno if you can even still buy the small block adapter kits that were
so popular back in the early sixties for military conversions. A nice
small block GM and a bit larger wide tires and it can cruise reasonably
well--better than the stock engine's buzzing insanely at anything near
highway speeds.


&gt; I started this thread not really stressing the safety aspect, but fear
&gt; not, it is a major consideration, and it's heartening to get so many
&gt; replies stressing it. Thanks a lot for the input.

A nice roll bar setup is a full cold rolled cube cage with the front of
it in position just above and behind the drivers head and the back at
the rear of the body. Add triangle bracking to that cube, and make the
cube tall enough that you can stand up and stay pretty much inside it.
Then another roll bar at the front of the vehicle mainly to protect the
engine. With that, you err might be able to jump sand dunes where part
of the fun is just rolling the thing over and over off the steep side as
long as you have enough folks aboard [well belted in] to tip it upright
and drive away when the fun stops. Not that we would have intentionally
done this on the White Sands units, nope, not us.

Mail order an electric wiper conversion unless it *never* rains.

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#11: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-11 23:12:38 by Pete Stolz

&gt; A nice roll bar setup is a full cold rolled cube cage with the front of
&gt; it in position just above and behind the drivers head and the back at
&gt; the rear of the body. Add triangle bracking to that cube, and make the
&gt; cube tall enough that you can stand up and stay pretty much inside it.
&gt; Then another roll bar at the front of the vehicle mainly to protect the
&gt; engine. With that, you err might be able to jump sand dunes where part
&gt; of the fun is just rolling the thing over and over off the steep side as
&gt; long as you have enough folks aboard [well belted in] to tip it upright
&gt; and drive away when the fun stops. Not that we would have intentionally
&gt; done this on the White Sands units, nope, not us.
&gt;

Seriously? You do that? Really? And the Jeep puts up with it? Wow.

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#12: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-14 02:28:02 by Lon

Pete Stolz proclaimed:

&gt;
&gt;&gt; A nice roll bar setup is a full cold rolled cube cage with the front
&gt;&gt; of it in position just above and behind the drivers head and the back
&gt;&gt; at the rear of the body. Add triangle bracking to that cube, and make
&gt;&gt; the cube tall enough that you can stand up and stay pretty much inside
&gt;&gt; it. Then another roll bar at the front of the vehicle mainly to
&gt;&gt; protect the engine. With that, you err might be able to jump sand
&gt;&gt; dunes where part of the fun is just rolling the thing over and over
&gt;&gt; off the steep side as long as you have enough folks aboard [well
&gt;&gt; belted in] to tip it upright and drive away when the fun stops. Not
&gt;&gt; that we would have intentionally done this on the White Sands units,
&gt;&gt; nope, not us.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Seriously? You do that? Really? And the Jeep puts up with it? Wow.

At White Sands, there are some really nice, tall, sand dunes where the
downwind side tends to be pretty soft. And yes, you could roll the old
military jeeps off that downwind side and then just turn them upright at
the bottom and drive away after they installed the General Freddie
Thorlin mandated roll cages on all smaller tac vehicles. Best to hose
them out before taking them back to the motor pool. A bit more risky
was chasing jackrabbits into the bush... some bushes had BF rocks in
them. However, unless you were going crazy fast it really didn't hurt
the tac jeeps in any way you couldn't fix with a can of spray paint.

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#13: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-14 03:28:38 by Keep YerSpam

Pete Stolz wrote:

&gt;
&gt;
&gt; That is very good advice about the inexperienced driver. She'll only be
&gt; driving it about a mile and a half to school in light, small-town
&gt; traffic, so it shouldn't be a huge deal. Plus, it will be boatloads of
&gt; fun for me. (the truth finally comes out.) If she wants to take a
&gt; longer trip, she can take my Durango.
&gt;
&gt; I like the Jeepster idea, and I've always been a fan of them. I saw one
&gt; for sale in Green Bay a few days ago. In addition to the safety issue,
&gt; it might be a little easier for her to turn the steering wheel too.
&gt; Thanks for the help
&gt; Pete

So you're in Wisconsin?
There's a later AMC Commando for sale around me (53538) that's for sale
for only $500. Swap the front end with a fiberglass CJ and you have what
can easily pass for a Jeepster Commando. I'm sure for that price you'll
need some welding skills to fix the cancer it most likely has from
living in Wisconsin prior to the late 1980s when they changed from raw
rock salt to a composite potasium blend for winter roads. I haven't seen
it up close, but drive by it almost daily.

Most of the Kaisers are 225 V6 and most later ones from AMC are 401 V8
IIRC. That's a lot of grunt in a little package! ;) Commandos of both
flavors also have removable steel hardtops in addition to the folding
canvas/vinyl tops. Mine has both.

Cheers,
- JJG

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#14: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-14 14:32:19 by Bret Ludwig

Lon wrote:


&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Agreed. The older military versions were so bad that the commanding
&gt; &gt;&gt; general of White Sands mandated full roll cages on all of the 1/4 ton
&gt; &gt;&gt; models whilst I was there. Too many accidents.

Are you talking Jeeps or MUTTs????? How old are you???? The MUTT
replaced Jeeps in the Regular Army early on in the Vietnam era. A few
National Guard and quasimilitary activities kept Jeeps later.

&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Plus highway cruising is more hypothetical than possible.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; That being said, try the WillysTech.com board if you really want to
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; find an old Jeep. That's where I found mine. Maybe you can steer her
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; toward a safer option like a pre-71 Jeepster Commando. Still looks
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; like an old Jeep, still probably the only one she'll see in the high
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; school parking lot and infinitely safer on the road. After all, they
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; were designed &amp; marketed to be driven like cars for people who loved
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Jeeps in the first place. Good luck finding one in Wisconsin that
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; isn't a rust bucket, but they are around though. I brought mine back
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; here from California. Turns heads all over southern Wisconsin now.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Easier to paint a more modern unit with military paint than to turn a
&gt; &gt;&gt; military model into a good off-road and on-road unit. Have done it
&gt; &gt;&gt; with a small block 265 and welded wide wheels, but arguably cost more
&gt; &gt;&gt; than a decent civilian Jeep.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; If I do end up doing it, it will have a full cage and shoulder belts,
&gt; &gt; with high back buckets. She'll NOT be using it on the highway if I get
&gt; &gt; one for me, I mean her.
&gt;
&gt; I dunno if you can even still buy the small block adapter kits that were
&gt; so popular back in the early sixties for military conversions. A nice
&gt; small block GM and a bit larger wide tires and it can cruise reasonably
&gt; well--better than the stock engine's buzzing insanely at anything near
&gt; highway speeds.
&gt;

The military Jeep driveline is in no way smallblockworthy. Even a 215
Buick/Rover V8 or Buick 90 degree V6 is way more than they were
engineered to handle. This sounds like a Bill Hughes idiot idea.

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#15: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-14 23:57:22 by billhughes

It was Kaiser that adapted the Buick V6 and 350&quot; V8 to the Borg
Warner T-90 and Turbo 400. Hot Rodders start at the rear with a tubbed
nine inch.
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&gt; Lon wrote:
&gt;
&gt; The military Jeep driveline is in no way smallblockworthy. Even a 215
&gt; Buick/Rover V8 or Buick 90 degree V6 is way more than they were
&gt; engineered to handle. This sounds like a Bill Hughes idiot idea.

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#16: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-15 05:20:44 by Lon

Bret Ludwig proclaimed:

&gt; Lon wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Agreed. The older military versions were so bad that the commanding
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;general of White Sands mandated full roll cages on all of the 1/4 ton
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;models whilst I was there. Too many accidents.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Are you talking Jeeps or MUTTs????? How old are you???? The MUTT
&gt; replaced Jeeps in the Regular Army early on in the Vietnam era. A few
&gt; National Guard and quasimilitary activities kept Jeeps later.

I am talking Jeeps. The new civilian models were being bought by the
range to replace the tactical units except for those where the drivers
had to be out on the range. Similarly they were buying 3/4 ton 4wd
pickups to replace the 3/4 ton tactical units except where needed. And
no, there were no MUTTS picked up at White Sands. As for the era, the
rollbars were fitted prior to Kennedy's visit to Gen Freddie Thorlin
[the commander that mandated the rollcages].

&gt;
&gt; The military Jeep driveline is in no way smallblockworthy. Even a 215
&gt; Buick/Rover V8 or Buick 90 degree V6 is way more than they were
&gt; engineered to handle. This sounds like a Bill Hughes idiot idea.

Yeah, that's why it was so popular to drop a 265 or 283 into a military
jeep back in the early 60's. Then add the double wide wheels with
float tires. Parts for the conversion weren't that hard to get ahold of
around Las Cruces or at the north range extension at Green River. But
what the heck to I know, I was just in the army at white sands and drove
those non-existent tactical jeeps and as a civilian at Utah Launch
Complex stuffed a 265 into a surplus military jeep.

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#17: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-15 05:22:39 by Lon

I didn't write that drivel below, Bill, someone else who didn't know
what they were talking about did.

We used small block chevvie engines as much because they were available
but also the adapters weren't that difficult to find in the high desert
areas from parts stores or in one case the local Conoco station.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III proclaimed:

&gt; It was Kaiser that adapted the Buick V6 and 350&quot; V8 to the Borg
&gt; Warner T-90 and Turbo 400. Hot Rodders start at the rear with a tubbed
&gt; nine inch.
&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a> <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Lon wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The military Jeep driveline is in no way smallblockworthy. Even a 215
&gt;&gt;Buick/Rover V8 or Buick 90 degree V6 is way more than they were
&gt;&gt;engineered to handle. This sounds like a Bill Hughes idiot idea.

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#18: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-15 06:14:12 by billhughes

Sorry.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Lon wrote:
&gt;
&gt; I didn't write that drivel below, Bill, someone else who didn't know
&gt; what they were talking about did.

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#19: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-15 13:41:55 by Bret Ludwig

Lon wrote:
&gt;
&gt; I am talking Jeeps. The new civilian models were being bought by the
&gt; range to replace the tactical units except for those where the drivers
&gt; had to be out on the range. Similarly they were buying 3/4 ton 4wd
&gt; pickups to replace the 3/4 ton tactical units except where needed. And
&gt; no, there were no MUTTS picked up at White Sands. As for the era, the
&gt; rollbars were fitted prior to Kennedy's visit to Gen Freddie Thorlin
&gt; [the commander that mandated the rollcages].

You're talking '62, 63 then. The ring a ding ding days. Presuming you
mean Jack and not Sen. Bobby. Teddy was too fat to ride in a jeep even
then.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The military Jeep driveline is in no way smallblockworthy. Even a 215
&gt; &gt; Buick/Rover V8 or Buick 90 degree V6 is way more than they were
&gt; &gt; engineered to handle. This sounds like a Bill Hughes idiot idea.
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, that's why it was so popular to drop a 265 or 283 into a military
&gt; jeep back in the early 60's. Then add the double wide wheels with
&gt; float tires. Parts for the conversion weren't that hard to get ahold of
&gt; around Las Cruces or at the north range extension at Green River. But
&gt; what the heck to I know, I was just in the army at white sands and drove
&gt; those non-existent tactical jeeps and as a civilian at Utah Launch
&gt; Complex stuffed a 265 into a surplus military jeep.

They were civilian vehicles purchased at the command level, just like
sedans, IOW. Cool. They were not military jeeps.

The 265, 283 smallblocks were not making anything like the power
levels 350s are making all day now with cheap aftermarket cams, intakes
and headers. A 3.8 V6 will make more power any day on less gas. The
average 283 would not make 250 honest hp back then without a lot of
head work and a rumpety cam worthless for offroad work. And they are
now high collectible items since the vintage racers and boat guys and
restorers have bought them all up and they have small bearings. When
you say &quot;put a smallblock in&quot; the average doofus is going for a built
350. I guarandamntee the WWII or M38 driveline will not last with that
in place unless no one besides nuns and old pansies are allowed to
drive it.

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#20: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-16 01:55:10 by billhughes

There were no roll bars on anything military or civilian, at least
until after my bought new '68 and four wheeled without one here:
<a href="http://www.billhughes.com/new68jeep.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/new68jeep.jpg</a> And there was no aftermarket
off-road shops, we had to make our own.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
&gt;
&gt; You're talking '62, 63 then. The ring a ding ding days. Presuming you
&gt; mean Jack and not Sen. Bobby. Teddy was too fat to ride in a jeep even
&gt; then.
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;

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#21: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-16 03:30:50 by Lon

You are ex-military, right? Picture the following:
The commanding general decides that the jeeps need roll cages.
They don't come with them standard, but so what.

Actually both the 1/4 and 3/4 sized tactical vehicles got roll cages at
about the same time. Apparently he didn't figure there was much danger
of rollovers for the deuce and a halfs or the 5 tonners--typically we
used them only to pull around the mobile stuff for mobile missions.

Not sure why only the tactical 1/4 tons were given the full cold roll
steel pipe roll cages. They were picking up the newer civilian model
jeeps with thin metal bodies by late 63 to early 64 and those were a lot
faster than the tactical units and actually had more accidents than the
tactical units. The tactical units were used more by the recovery teams
and some of my units missions--where roads weren't available.


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III proclaimed:

&gt; There were no roll bars on anything military or civilian, at least
&gt; until after my bought new '68 and four wheeled without one here:
&gt; <a href="http://www.billhughes.com/new68jeep.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.billhughes.com/new68jeep.jpg</a> And there was no aftermarket
&gt; off-road shops, we had to make our own.
&gt; God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
&gt; mailto:<a href="mailto:LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">LWHughes3rd&#64;aol.com</a>
&gt;
&gt; Bret Ludwig wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; You're talking '62, 63 then. The ring a ding ding days. Presuming you
&gt;&gt;mean Jack and not Sen. Bobby. Teddy was too fat to ride in a jeep even
&gt;&gt;then.
&gt;&gt;&lt;snip&gt;

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#22: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-16 03:31:11 by billhughes

Right.
I think Patton would have voted for one. But wouldn't it look
stupid doing the low crawl beside a roll cage?
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Lon wrote:
&gt;
&gt; You are ex-military, right? Picture the following:
&gt; The commanding general decides that the jeeps need roll cages.
&gt; They don't come with them standard, but so what.
&gt;
&gt; Actually both the 1/4 and 3/4 sized tactical vehicles got roll cages at
&gt; about the same time. Apparently he didn't figure there was much danger
&gt; of rollovers for the deuce and a halfs or the 5 tonners--typically we
&gt; used them only to pull around the mobile stuff for mobile missions.
&gt;
&gt; Not sure why only the tactical 1/4 tons were given the full cold roll
&gt; steel pipe roll cages. They were picking up the newer civilian model
&gt; jeeps with thin metal bodies by late 63 to early 64 and those were a lot
&gt; faster than the tactical units and actually had more accidents than the
&gt; tactical units. The tactical units were used more by the recovery teams
&gt; and some of my units missions--where roads weren't available.

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#23: Re: Sources for WWII military jeeps

Posted on 2006-07-22 20:20:46 by Pete Stolz

Keep YerSpam wrote:
&gt; Pete Stolz wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; That is very good advice about the inexperienced driver. She'll only
&gt;&gt; be driving it about a mile and a half to school in light, small-town
&gt;&gt; traffic, so it shouldn't be a huge deal. Plus, it will be boatloads
&gt;&gt; of fun for me. (the truth finally comes out.) If she wants to take a
&gt;&gt; longer trip, she can take my Durango.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I like the Jeepster idea, and I've always been a fan of them. I saw
&gt;&gt; one for sale in Green Bay a few days ago. In addition to the safety
&gt;&gt; issue, it might be a little easier for her to turn the steering wheel
&gt;&gt; too. Thanks for the help
&gt;&gt; Pete
&gt;
&gt; So you're in Wisconsin?
&gt; There's a later AMC Commando for sale around me (53538) that's for sale
&gt; for only $500. Swap the front end with a fiberglass CJ and you have what
&gt; can easily pass for a Jeepster Commando. I'm sure for that price you'll
&gt; need some welding skills to fix the cancer it most likely has from
&gt; living in Wisconsin prior to the late 1980s when they changed from raw
&gt; rock salt to a composite potasium blend for winter roads. I haven't seen
&gt; it up close, but drive by it almost daily.
&gt;
&gt; Most of the Kaisers are 225 V6 and most later ones from AMC are 401 V8
&gt; IIRC. That's a lot of grunt in a little package! ;) Commandos of both
&gt; flavors also have removable steel hardtops in addition to the folding
&gt; canvas/vinyl tops. Mine has both.
&gt;
&gt; Cheers,
&gt; - JJG

Yep, good ole cheeseland. I don't really have the time for a MAJOR
project right now, but it does sound cool. Thanks for the info.

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