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#1: Re: 1991 A604 trans fluid change

Posted on 2006-07-10 21:16:52 by MT-2500

billccm Wrote:
> I have changed my transmission fluid every 30K miles since I bought the
> car new (almost 16 years ago). This will be it's third trans fluid
> change (90K miles), and the trans, which is nicknamed "a-sick-oh-four"
> due to it's problems, has been trouble free, so far. I am not sure if
> 30K fluid changes has contributed to my trouble free experience, but I
> will continue.
>
> I understand what you are saying about causing failure after a trans
> fluid change; I think these 'flushes' cause some harm. The way it has
> been explained to me, unless you can flush twice with two new trans
> filters, the flush does not make a "100%" fluid exchange, and the
> flush
> itself spreads some debris past the filter, etc.
>
> Thanks for the advice, take care, Bill
> ron wrote:
> > Bill,Just in case you have 100,000 miles or more on your A604 it's
> > better NOT to change the fluid anymore. To do so will only hasten
> it's
> > inevitable failure. I was told that by every trans tech I've ever
> > known.Ron


Right on there with the regular service.
People that keep there transmission serviced have a lot leess trouble
that the people wo do not.
Good luck MT.


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#2: Re: 1991 A604 trans fluid change

Posted on 2006-07-10 21:27:10 by billccm

OK, back from the local Chrysler dealer's part dept. I am not sure if
they were joking with me, but they said &quot;Good Luck finding that
part....our database shows it is on national back order......&quot;

They did give me a few dealer's phone numbers to try, but none are
local.

So, again, my question to the Chrysler A604 owners; Is it worth the
trouble to find this gasket, or shall I go with a rubber gasket that
comes with a NAPA, or Advance Auto filter?

Thanks for your help and time in replys.

Bill

MT-2500 wrote:
&gt; billccm Wrote:
&gt; &gt; I have changed my transmission fluid every 30K miles since I bought the
&gt; &gt; car new (almost 16 years ago). This will be it's third trans fluid
&gt; &gt; change (90K miles), and the trans, which is nicknamed &quot;a-sick-oh-four&quot;
&gt; &gt; due to it's problems, has been trouble free, so far. I am not sure if
&gt; &gt; 30K fluid changes has contributed to my trouble free experience, but I
&gt; &gt; will continue.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I understand what you are saying about causing failure after a trans
&gt; &gt; fluid change; I think these 'flushes' cause some harm. The way it has
&gt; &gt; been explained to me, unless you can flush twice with two new trans
&gt; &gt; filters, the flush does not make a &quot;100%&quot; fluid exchange, and the
&gt; &gt; flush
&gt; &gt; itself spreads some debris past the filter, etc.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thanks for the advice, take care, Bill
&gt; &gt; ron wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Bill,Just in case you have 100,000 miles or more on your A604 it's
&gt; &gt; &gt; better NOT to change the fluid anymore. To do so will only hasten
&gt; &gt; it's
&gt; &gt; &gt; inevitable failure. I was told that by every trans tech I've ever
&gt; &gt; &gt; known.Ron
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Right on there with the regular service.
&gt; People that keep there transmission serviced have a lot leess trouble
&gt; that the people wo do not.
&gt; Good luck MT.
&gt;
&gt;
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#3: Re: 1991 A604 trans fluid change

Posted on 2006-07-12 13:03:38 by Ted Mittelstaedt

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&gt;
&gt; billccm Wrote:
&gt; &gt; OK, back from the local Chrysler dealer's part dept. I am not sure if
&gt; &gt; they were joking with me, but they said &quot;Good Luck finding that
&gt; &gt; part....our database shows it is on national back order......&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; They did give me a few dealer's phone numbers to try, but none are
&gt; &gt; local.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; So, again, my question to the Chrysler A604 owners; Is it worth the
&gt; &gt; trouble to find this gasket, or shall I go with a rubber gasket that
&gt; &gt; comes with a NAPA, or Advance Auto filter?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thanks for your help and time in replys.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Bill
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; MT-2500 wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; billccm Wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have changed my transmission fluid every 30K miles since I bought
&gt; &gt; the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; car new (almost 16 years ago). This will be it's third trans fluid
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; change (90K miles), and the trans, which is nicknamed
&gt; &gt; &quot;a-sick-oh-four&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; due to it's problems, has been trouble free, so far. I am not sure
&gt; &gt; if
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 30K fluid changes has contributed to my trouble free experience,
&gt; &gt; but I
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; will continue.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I understand what you are saying about causing failure after a
&gt; &gt; trans
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; fluid change; I think these 'flushes' cause some harm. The way it
&gt; &gt; has
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; been explained to me, unless you can flush twice with two new trans
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; filters, the flush does not make a &quot;100%&quot; fluid exchange, and the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; flush
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; itself spreads some debris past the filter, etc.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for the advice, take care, Bill
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ron wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Bill,Just in case you have 100,000 miles or more on your A604
&gt; &gt; it's
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; better NOT to change the fluid anymore. To do so will only hasten
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; inevitable failure. I was told that by every trans tech I've ever
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; known.Ron
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Right on there with the regular service.
&gt; &gt; &gt; People that keep there transmission serviced have a lot leess trouble
&gt; &gt; &gt; that the people wo do not.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Good luck MT.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
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&gt;
&gt; Yes it is a good reusable gasket. Good for 3-5 fluid/filter changes.
&gt; You can silicone the pan back on but it is hard to glue up without
&gt; transmission fluid running down in the glue. I let them drain overnight
&gt; and then glue up and let set a while longer for silcone to set up.
&gt; Cry does have some good black silicone for transmission pans.
&gt; And I use import gray silicone a lot of times.
&gt;
&gt; And the rubber gaskets that come with the filter kits just are not as
&gt; good.

I've never had a problem with the ones I've bought. Get the trans filter
and gasket from a decent parts supplier like NAPA and you won't
have a problem.

The one critical thing though is you must use a torque wrench and make
sure the gasket is properly torqued. The factory manual torque figures
are low - this is to prevent the gasket from being squished
unevenly and causing seepage. The one unfortunate thing about this though
is that because the figures are so low, sometimes one or two of the bolts
will back themselves out. You want to get under the vehicle a month or
so later and check all of the bolts again with the torque wrench. Once
they have been setting in the trans for a while they will stop doing this.
DONT
exceed the torque value or it -will- leak.

Ted

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#4: Re: 1991 A604 trans fluid change

Posted on 2006-07-12 22:41:00 by billccm

Here is the TSB for this reusable gasket:

A/T Pan Gasket - Reusable Design/Installation


NUMBER: 21-05-99 Rev. A


GROUP: Transmission


DATE: Sep. 03, 1999


THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 21-05-99 DATED
MARCH 5, 1999 WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. ALL REVISIONS
ARE HIGHLIGHTED WITH **ASTERISKS** AND INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PARTS AND
MODEL COVERAGE.


SUBJECT:
Reusable Automatic Transmission Oil Pan Gasket


OVERVIEW:
This bulletin announces availability and installation of a reusable
automatic transmission oil pan gasket.


MODELS:
1989 - 1995 (AA) Spirit/Acclaim/LeBaron Sedan
1989 - 1993 (AC) Dynasty/New Yorker/New Yorker Salon
**1989** - 1993 (AG) Daytona
**1989** - 1995 (AJ) LeBaron Coupe/LeBaron Convertible
**1989** - 1994 (AP) Shadow/Shadow Convertible/Sundance
1990 - 1991 (AQ) Chrysler Maserati TC
1989 - 1995 (AS) Town &amp; Country/Caravan/Voyager
1990 - 1993 (AY) Imperial/New Yorker Fifth Avenue
1993 - 1995 (ES) Chrysler Voyager (European Market)
1995 - **2000** (FJ) Sebring/Avenger/Talon
1996 - **2000** (GS) Chrysler Voyager (European Market)
1995 - **2000** (JA) Cirrus/Stratus/Breeze
1996 - **2000** (JX) Sebring Convertible
**1993 - 2000 (LH) Concorde/Intrepid/New Yorker/LHS/Vision/300M**
1996 - **2000** (NS) Town &amp; Country/Caravan/Voyager
**1995 - 2000 (PL) Neon**
**1997 - 2000 (PR) Prowler**


DISCUSSION:


A reusable silicone gasket has been developed to replace the RTV
method of sealing the automatic transmission oil pan. Due to more
frequent Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) change intervals and the
possibility of the fluid foaming if it comes in contact with uncured
RTV it is recommended that this gasket be used in all applications.


NOTE: THIS GASKET CAN BE REUSED UP TO THREE (3) TIMES.


PARTS REQUIRED:


**1 05011113AA Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 31TH**
**1 05011114AA Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 42LE**
1 05011115AA Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 41TE/AE


POLICY: INFORMATION ONLY


POLICY: Information Only



Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
&gt; &quot;MT-2500&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:MT-2500.2aqygp&#64;no-mx.nodomain.com" target="_blank">MT-2500.2aqygp&#64;no-mx.nodomain.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:MT-2500.2aqygp&#64;no-mx.nodomain.com..." target="_blank">MT-2500.2aqygp&#64;no-mx.nodomain.com...</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; billccm Wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; OK, back from the local Chrysler dealer's part dept. I am not sure if
&gt; &gt; &gt; they were joking with me, but they said &quot;Good Luck finding that
&gt; &gt; &gt; part....our database shows it is on national back order......&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; They did give me a few dealer's phone numbers to try, but none are
&gt; &gt; &gt; local.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; So, again, my question to the Chrysler A604 owners; Is it worth the
&gt; &gt; &gt; trouble to find this gasket, or shall I go with a rubber gasket that
&gt; &gt; &gt; comes with a NAPA, or Advance Auto filter?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for your help and time in replys.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Bill
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; MT-2500 wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; billccm Wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have changed my transmission fluid every 30K miles since I bought
&gt; &gt; &gt; the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; car new (almost 16 years ago). This will be it's third trans fluid
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; change (90K miles), and the trans, which is nicknamed
&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;a-sick-oh-four&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; due to it's problems, has been trouble free, so far. I am not sure
&gt; &gt; &gt; if
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 30K fluid changes has contributed to my trouble free experience,
&gt; &gt; &gt; but I
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; will continue.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I understand what you are saying about causing failure after a
&gt; &gt; &gt; trans
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; fluid change; I think these 'flushes' cause some harm. The way it
&gt; &gt; &gt; has
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; been explained to me, unless you can flush twice with two new trans
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; filters, the flush does not make a &quot;100%&quot; fluid exchange, and the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; flush
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; itself spreads some debris past the filter, etc.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for the advice, take care, Bill
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ron wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Bill,Just in case you have 100,000 miles or more on your A604
&gt; &gt; &gt; it's
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; better NOT to change the fluid anymore. To do so will only hasten
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; inevitable failure. I was told that by every trans tech I've ever
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; known.Ron
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Right on there with the regular service.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; People that keep there transmission serviced have a lot leess trouble
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; that the people wo do not.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Good luck MT.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.automotiveforums.com" target="_blank">http://www.automotiveforums.com</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Yes it is a good reusable gasket. Good for 3-5 fluid/filter changes.
&gt; &gt; You can silicone the pan back on but it is hard to glue up without
&gt; &gt; transmission fluid running down in the glue. I let them drain overnight
&gt; &gt; and then glue up and let set a while longer for silcone to set up.
&gt; &gt; Cry does have some good black silicone for transmission pans.
&gt; &gt; And I use import gray silicone a lot of times.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; And the rubber gaskets that come with the filter kits just are not as
&gt; &gt; good.
&gt;
&gt; I've never had a problem with the ones I've bought. Get the trans filter
&gt; and gasket from a decent parts supplier like NAPA and you won't
&gt; have a problem.
&gt;
&gt; The one critical thing though is you must use a torque wrench and make
&gt; sure the gasket is properly torqued. The factory manual torque figures
&gt; are low - this is to prevent the gasket from being squished
&gt; unevenly and causing seepage. The one unfortunate thing about this though
&gt; is that because the figures are so low, sometimes one or two of the bolts
&gt; will back themselves out. You want to get under the vehicle a month or
&gt; so later and check all of the bolts again with the torque wrench. Once
&gt; they have been setting in the trans for a while they will stop doing this.
&gt; DONT
&gt; exceed the torque value or it -will- leak.
&gt;
&gt; Ted

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#5: Re: 1991 A604 trans fluid change

Posted on 2006-07-22 22:19:17 by billccm

Just completed the job! Not too bad, but took me almost three hours
start to finish (including clean up), and cost me a little under $60
including MOPAR gasket and filter, and four quarts of Valvoline ATF+4.

I loosened the pan bolts slowly all around, and let it drip for almost
20 minutes, the loosened the bolts some more, and it let it drip for
another 20 minutes. Then the pan and filter came off without too much
mess.

The pan had a thin rubber gasket from it's last fluid change, so no RTV
to scrap off.

The only item of concern is that the aftermarket filter that was in
place was hard to pull out, and the new replacement MOPAR filter fit in
a bit loosely. YES, it did have the orange O-ring on the replacement
filter; it just did not feel as snug as the filter I removed.

Anti-seize back on all the bolt threads.

I torqued all bolts to 18Nm.

I had one quart of ATF+3 that I put back in first, since I read that
they are backwards compatible with ATF+4. I cycled the gear selector
from R to D while the engine was running parked and added fluid to
FULL.

Going for a test drive.

Thanks for all of your advice!

Bill


billccm wrote:
&gt; Here is the TSB for this reusable gasket:
&gt;
&gt; A/T Pan Gasket - Reusable Design/Installation
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; NUMBER: 21-05-99 Rev. A
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; GROUP: Transmission
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; DATE: Sep. 03, 1999
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 21-05-99 DATED
&gt; MARCH 5, 1999 WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. ALL REVISIONS
&gt; ARE HIGHLIGHTED WITH **ASTERISKS** AND INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PARTS AND
&gt; MODEL COVERAGE.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; SUBJECT:
&gt; Reusable Automatic Transmission Oil Pan Gasket
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; OVERVIEW:
&gt; This bulletin announces availability and installation of a reusable
&gt; automatic transmission oil pan gasket.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; MODELS:
&gt; 1989 - 1995 (AA) Spirit/Acclaim/LeBaron Sedan
&gt; 1989 - 1993 (AC) Dynasty/New Yorker/New Yorker Salon
&gt; **1989** - 1993 (AG) Daytona
&gt; **1989** - 1995 (AJ) LeBaron Coupe/LeBaron Convertible
&gt; **1989** - 1994 (AP) Shadow/Shadow Convertible/Sundance
&gt; 1990 - 1991 (AQ) Chrysler Maserati TC
&gt; 1989 - 1995 (AS) Town &amp; Country/Caravan/Voyager
&gt; 1990 - 1993 (AY) Imperial/New Yorker Fifth Avenue
&gt; 1993 - 1995 (ES) Chrysler Voyager (European Market)
&gt; 1995 - **2000** (FJ) Sebring/Avenger/Talon
&gt; 1996 - **2000** (GS) Chrysler Voyager (European Market)
&gt; 1995 - **2000** (JA) Cirrus/Stratus/Breeze
&gt; 1996 - **2000** (JX) Sebring Convertible
&gt; **1993 - 2000 (LH) Concorde/Intrepid/New Yorker/LHS/Vision/300M**
&gt; 1996 - **2000** (NS) Town &amp; Country/Caravan/Voyager
&gt; **1995 - 2000 (PL) Neon**
&gt; **1997 - 2000 (PR) Prowler**
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; DISCUSSION:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; A reusable silicone gasket has been developed to replace the RTV
&gt; method of sealing the automatic transmission oil pan. Due to more
&gt; frequent Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) change intervals and the
&gt; possibility of the fluid foaming if it comes in contact with uncured
&gt; RTV it is recommended that this gasket be used in all applications.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; NOTE: THIS GASKET CAN BE REUSED UP TO THREE (3) TIMES.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; PARTS REQUIRED:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; **1 05011113AA Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 31TH**
&gt; **1 05011114AA Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 42LE**
&gt; 1 05011115AA Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 41TE/AE
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; POLICY: INFORMATION ONLY
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; POLICY: Information Only
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
&gt; &gt; &quot;MT-2500&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:MT-2500.2aqygp&#64;no-mx.nodomain.com" target="_blank">MT-2500.2aqygp&#64;no-mx.nodomain.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; billccm Wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; OK, back from the local Chrysler dealer's part dept. I am not sure if
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; they were joking with me, but they said &quot;Good Luck finding that
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; part....our database shows it is on national back order......&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; They did give me a few dealer's phone numbers to try, but none are
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; local.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So, again, my question to the Chrysler A604 owners; Is it worth the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; trouble to find this gasket, or shall I go with a rubber gasket that
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; comes with a NAPA, or Advance Auto filter?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for your help and time in replys.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Bill
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; MT-2500 wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; billccm Wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have changed my transmission fluid every 30K miles since I bought
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; car new (almost 16 years ago). This will be it's third trans fluid
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; change (90K miles), and the trans, which is nicknamed
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;a-sick-oh-four&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; due to it's problems, has been trouble free, so far. I am not sure
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; if
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 30K fluid changes has contributed to my trouble free experience,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; but I
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; will continue.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I understand what you are saying about causing failure after a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; trans
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; fluid change; I think these 'flushes' cause some harm. The way it
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; has
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; been explained to me, unless you can flush twice with two new trans
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; filters, the flush does not make a &quot;100%&quot; fluid exchange, and the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; flush
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; itself spreads some debris past the filter, etc.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for the advice, take care, Bill
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ron wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Bill,Just in case you have 100,000 miles or more on your A604
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; better NOT to change the fluid anymore. To do so will only hasten
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; inevitable failure. I was told that by every trans tech I've ever
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; known.Ron
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Right on there with the regular service.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; People that keep there transmission serviced have a lot leess trouble
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; that the people wo do not.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Good luck MT.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes it is a good reusable gasket. Good for 3-5 fluid/filter changes.
&gt; &gt; &gt; You can silicone the pan back on but it is hard to glue up without
&gt; &gt; &gt; transmission fluid running down in the glue. I let them drain overnight
&gt; &gt; &gt; and then glue up and let set a while longer for silcone to set up.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Cry does have some good black silicone for transmission pans.
&gt; &gt; &gt; And I use import gray silicone a lot of times.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; And the rubber gaskets that come with the filter kits just are not as
&gt; &gt; &gt; good.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I've never had a problem with the ones I've bought. Get the trans filter
&gt; &gt; and gasket from a decent parts supplier like NAPA and you won't
&gt; &gt; have a problem.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The one critical thing though is you must use a torque wrench and make
&gt; &gt; sure the gasket is properly torqued. The factory manual torque figures
&gt; &gt; are low - this is to prevent the gasket from being squished
&gt; &gt; unevenly and causing seepage. The one unfortunate thing about this though
&gt; &gt; is that because the figures are so low, sometimes one or two of the bolts
&gt; &gt; will back themselves out. You want to get under the vehicle a month or
&gt; &gt; so later and check all of the bolts again with the torque wrench. Once
&gt; &gt; they have been setting in the trans for a while they will stop doing this.
&gt; &gt; DONT
&gt; &gt; exceed the torque value or it -will- leak.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Ted

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