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#1: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-04 04:25:39 by Unknown User

I replaced the fuel pump on my car because it wasn't working. The new one
doesn't work either, so I was thinking that it could be the fuel pump relay,
so I bought one, even though I'm not 100% sure where it is located. I found
some relays located up by the car battery, but my new relay will only fit
into 2 of the 5 relay slots. But the fuel pump still does not get any power
regardless of which slot I put the new relay into... Could it be something
else? Is there another part that could have went out, such as a fuse or
something? I can't find any fuse related to the fuel system anywhere on the
car. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong area??? I'm totally stumped on this
situation... any ideas???

-Mark

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#2: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-04 05:06:42 by dastern

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:

> I replaced the fuel pump on my car because it wasn't working. The new
> one doesn't work either, so I was thinking that it could be the fuel
> pump relay, so I bought one, even though I'm not 100% sure where it is
> located. I found some relays located up by the car battery, but my new
> relay will only fit into 2 of the 5 relay slots. But the fuel pump
> still does not get any power regardless of which slot I put the new
> relay into.

How are you testing for fuel pump power? Remember, if the engine computer
(SBEC) doesn't see the distributor, it will not power up the ASD relay,
which means the fuel pump won't get power. To test for this, disconnect
the battery for a couple of minutes, reconnect it, crank the engine and
then pull the codes. If you see a code 11, the computer doesn't see the
distributor.

> Is there another part that could have went out, such as a fuse or
> something?

Fusible link, distributor optical pickup or hall effect pickup (depending
if this is the 4-cylinder or the V6), wiring between distributor and SBEC,
wiring between SBEC and relays, wiring between fuel pump relay and fuel
pump...

To check the computer codes:

With the engine off, switch the ignition key on-off-on-off-on,
leaving it "ON". Do not
go to "start", just "on" during this procedure.

Watch the "Check Engine" or "Power Loss" light. It will turn on, then go
off, then will begin to flash-out any trouble codes that have been stored.
For instance, if it flashes:

flash <pause> flash flash
<long pause>
flash flash flash <pause> flash flash flash flash flash
<long pause>
flash flash flash flash flash <pause> flash flash flash flash flash

Then you have a 12 (one flash followed by two) a 35 (three and five) and a
55 (five and five). 55 means "end of codes" or, if by itself, "No codes
stored. Check the codes and report what you find.

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#3: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-04 05:38:40 by Unknown User

It's the 2.5L. 4-cylinder engine. How does the distributor fit into the
fuel pump circuit? Are you talking about the same distributor as the one
under the distributor cap? Sorry, but I'm a little confused by your answer,
even though you may be right on target...

-Mark

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&gt; On Sun, 4 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I replaced the fuel pump on my car because it wasn't working. The new
&gt; &gt; one doesn't work either, so I was thinking that it could be the fuel
&gt; &gt; pump relay, so I bought one, even though I'm not 100% sure where it is
&gt; &gt; located. I found some relays located up by the car battery, but my new
&gt; &gt; relay will only fit into 2 of the 5 relay slots. But the fuel pump
&gt; &gt; still does not get any power regardless of which slot I put the new
&gt; &gt; relay into.
&gt;
&gt; How are you testing for fuel pump power? Remember, if the engine computer
&gt; (SBEC) doesn't see the distributor, it will not power up the ASD relay,
&gt; which means the fuel pump won't get power. To test for this, disconnect
&gt; the battery for a couple of minutes, reconnect it, crank the engine and
&gt; then pull the codes. If you see a code 11, the computer doesn't see the
&gt; distributor.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Is there another part that could have went out, such as a fuse or
&gt; &gt; something?
&gt;
&gt; Fusible link, distributor optical pickup or hall effect pickup (depending
&gt; if this is the 4-cylinder or the V6), wiring between distributor and SBEC,
&gt; wiring between SBEC and relays, wiring between fuel pump relay and fuel
&gt; pump...
&gt;
&gt; To check the computer codes:
&gt;
&gt; With the engine off, switch the ignition key on-off-on-off-on,
&gt; leaving it &quot;ON&quot;. Do not
&gt; go to &quot;start&quot;, just &quot;on&quot; during this procedure.
&gt;
&gt; Watch the &quot;Check Engine&quot; or &quot;Power Loss&quot; light. It will turn on, then go
&gt; off, then will begin to flash-out any trouble codes that have been stored.
&gt; For instance, if it flashes:
&gt;
&gt; flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash
&gt; &lt;long pause&gt;
&gt; flash flash flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash flash flash flash
&gt; &lt;long pause&gt;
&gt; flash flash flash flash flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash flash flash flash
&gt;
&gt; Then you have a 12 (one flash followed by two) a 35 (three and five) and a
&gt; 55 (five and five). 55 means &quot;end of codes&quot; or, if by itself, &quot;No codes
&gt; stored. Check the codes and report what you find.
&gt;
&gt;

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#4: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-04 05:56:46 by dastern

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:

&gt; It's the 2.5L. 4-cylinder engine. How does the distributor fit into the
&gt; fuel pump circuit?

The distributor generates a pulsed voltage, with the pulse frequency
varying, obviously, with how fast the engine is turning. The computer
looks at this signal to determine when to fire the ignition. If the
computer does NOT see this signal, it assumes that there is a problem that
will prevent the engine from running (it's right) and does not energize
the ASD relay, which means no power to the fuel pump or fuel injection
system.

&gt; Are you talking about the same distributor as the one
&gt; under the distributor cap?

The very same. The one and only.

&gt; Sorry, but I'm a little confused by your answer,

Erm...what's hard to understand? I gave you the diagnostic procedure, step
by step. Go follow it.

And please, in your next post, cut out all groups but rec.autos.tech and
rec.autos.makers.chrysler. None of the rest of them have any business
seeing this, but I have no way of knowing what group you're reading from.

&gt; &gt; Disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes, reconnect it, crank
&gt; &gt; the engine and then pull the codes. If you see a code 11, the computer
&gt; &gt; doesn't see the distributor.

&gt; &gt; To check the computer codes:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; With the engine off, switch the ignition key on-off-on-off-on,
&gt; &gt; leaving it &quot;ON&quot;. Do not
&gt; &gt; go to &quot;start&quot;, just &quot;on&quot; during this procedure.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Watch the &quot;Check Engine&quot; or &quot;Power Loss&quot; light. It will turn on, then go
&gt; &gt; off, then will begin to flash-out any trouble codes that have been stored.
&gt; &gt; For instance, if it flashes:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash
&gt; &gt; &lt;long pause&gt;
&gt; &gt; flash flash flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash flash flash flash
&gt; &gt; &lt;long pause&gt;
&gt; &gt; flash flash flash flash flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash flash flash flash
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Then you have a 12 (one flash followed by two) a 35 (three and five) and a
&gt; &gt; 55 (five and five). 55 means &quot;end of codes&quot; or, if by itself, &quot;No codes
&gt; &gt; stored. Check the codes and report what you find.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#5: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-05 04:27:36 by Unknown User

Checked the codes, they are:

12
41
55


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&gt; On Sun, 4 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; It's the 2.5L. 4-cylinder engine. How does the distributor fit into the
&gt; &gt; fuel pump circuit?
&gt;
&gt; The distributor generates a pulsed voltage, with the pulse frequency
&gt; varying, obviously, with how fast the engine is turning. The computer
&gt; looks at this signal to determine when to fire the ignition. If the
&gt; computer does NOT see this signal, it assumes that there is a problem that
&gt; will prevent the engine from running (it's right) and does not energize
&gt; the ASD relay, which means no power to the fuel pump or fuel injection
&gt; system.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Are you talking about the same distributor as the one
&gt; &gt; under the distributor cap?
&gt;
&gt; The very same. The one and only.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Sorry, but I'm a little confused by your answer,
&gt;
&gt; Erm...what's hard to understand? I gave you the diagnostic procedure, step
&gt; by step. Go follow it.
&gt;
&gt; And please, in your next post, cut out all groups but rec.autos.tech and
&gt; rec.autos.makers.chrysler. None of the rest of them have any business
&gt; seeing this, but I have no way of knowing what group you're reading from.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes, reconnect it, crank
&gt; &gt; &gt; the engine and then pull the codes. If you see a code 11, the computer
&gt; &gt; &gt; doesn't see the distributor.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; To check the computer codes:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; With the engine off, switch the ignition key on-off-on-off-on,
&gt; &gt; &gt; leaving it &quot;ON&quot;. Do not
&gt; &gt; &gt; go to &quot;start&quot;, just &quot;on&quot; during this procedure.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Watch the &quot;Check Engine&quot; or &quot;Power Loss&quot; light. It will turn on, then
go
&gt; &gt; &gt; off, then will begin to flash-out any trouble codes that have been
stored.
&gt; &gt; &gt; For instance, if it flashes:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;long pause&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; flash flash flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash flash flash flash
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;long pause&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; flash flash flash flash flash &lt;pause&gt; flash flash flash flash flash
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Then you have a 12 (one flash followed by two) a 35 (three and five)
and a
&gt; &gt; &gt; 55 (five and five). 55 means &quot;end of codes&quot; or, if by itself, &quot;No
codes
&gt; &gt; &gt; stored. Check the codes and report what you find.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;

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#6: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-05 04:35:58 by dastern

(removed inappropriate newsgroups - can't you read?)

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:

&gt; Checked the codes, they are:
&gt;
&gt; 12
&gt; 41
&gt; 55

41 indicates a problem with your alternator field control circuit and
probably is unrelated to your fuel pump lack of power. Did you disconnect
the battery for a few minutes, reconnect it, attempt to start the engine
and then pull the codes? Or did you just pull them without
disconnect/reconnect/attempt-to-start?

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#7: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-05 18:58:00 by dastern

Don't know what group you're reading/posting from, but my response to your
question is found in the one and only group on your crosspost list in
which your question is appropriate: rec.autos.makers.chrysler

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#8: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-05 19:08:09 by Unknown User

I will re-do the steps and try it again... Where are you finding out what
the codes mean? I have 2 manuals: a Chiltons and a Haynes, and I can't find
codes in either of them...

-Mark

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&gt; (removed inappropriate newsgroups - can't you read?)
&gt;
&gt; On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Checked the codes, they are:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; 12
&gt; &gt; 41
&gt; &gt; 55
&gt;
&gt; 41 indicates a problem with your alternator field control circuit and
&gt; probably is unrelated to your fuel pump lack of power. Did you disconnect
&gt; the battery for a few minutes, reconnect it, attempt to start the engine
&gt; and then pull the codes? Or did you just pull them without
&gt; disconnect/reconnect/attempt-to-start?

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#9: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-05 19:29:59 by pawn

Unknown User wrote:

&gt; I will re-do the steps and try it again... Where are you finding out what
&gt; the codes mean? I have 2 manuals: a Chiltons and a Haynes, and I can't find
&gt; codes in either of them...
&gt;

<a href="http://www.allpar.com/fix/codes.html" target="_blank">http://www.allpar.com/fix/codes.html</a>

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#10: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-06 05:08:28 by dastern

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:

&gt; I will re-do the steps and try it again.

Very important to do all the steps provided. Ordinarily you can just jump
in and pull the codes, but in this particular case, disconnecting the
battery, leaving it sit a few minutes, reconnecting it, trying to start
the engine and *then* pulling the codes is diagnostic for a certain
specific fault that could be causing your issue. You are looking, by the
way, when you do this, for a code 11.

&gt; Where are you finding out what the codes mean?

The ones I can't remember (I've owned numerous of these cars), I get out
of the '92 Factory Service Manual on the shelf behind my desk at my
office. There's a fairly good online list here:

<a href="http://www.allpar.com/fix/80s-codes.html" target="_blank">http://www.allpar.com/fix/80s-codes.html</a>

&gt; I have 2 manuals: a Chiltons and a Haynes, and I can't find codes in
&gt; either of them...

Neither of them is worth the paper it's printed on; far too much info is
left out or is present but incorrect. If you do your own maintenance,
having the factory service manual or, second preference, subscribing to
www.alldatadiy.com is an absolute must.

For Haynes/Chilton instructions see
<a href="http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html" target="_blank">http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html</a>

DS

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#11: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-06 21:37:21 by Unknown User

thanks!


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&gt; Unknown User wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I will re-do the steps and try it again... Where are you finding out
what
&gt; &gt; the codes mean? I have 2 manuals: a Chiltons and a Haynes, and I can't
find
&gt; &gt; codes in either of them...
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.allpar.com/fix/codes.html" target="_blank">http://www.allpar.com/fix/codes.html</a>

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#12: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-06 21:43:30 by Unknown User

The codes are still the same:

12
41
55

I re-did it twice, but get the same results every time...

-Mark

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&gt; On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I will re-do the steps and try it again.
&gt;
&gt; Very important to do all the steps provided. Ordinarily you can just jump
&gt; in and pull the codes, but in this particular case, disconnecting the
&gt; battery, leaving it sit a few minutes, reconnecting it, trying to start
&gt; the engine and *then* pulling the codes is diagnostic for a certain
&gt; specific fault that could be causing your issue. You are looking, by the
&gt; way, when you do this, for a code 11.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Where are you finding out what the codes mean?
&gt;
&gt; The ones I can't remember (I've owned numerous of these cars), I get out
&gt; of the '92 Factory Service Manual on the shelf behind my desk at my
&gt; office. There's a fairly good online list here:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.allpar.com/fix/80s-codes.html" target="_blank">http://www.allpar.com/fix/80s-codes.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I have 2 manuals: a Chiltons and a Haynes, and I can't find codes in
&gt; &gt; either of them...
&gt;
&gt; Neither of them is worth the paper it's printed on; far too much info is
&gt; left out or is present but incorrect. If you do your own maintenance,
&gt; having the factory service manual or, second preference, subscribing to
&gt; www.alldatadiy.com is an absolute must.
&gt;
&gt; For Haynes/Chilton instructions see
&gt; <a href="http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html" target="_blank">http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; DS

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#13: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-07 03:01:51 by dastern

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:

&gt; The codes are still the same:
&gt;
&gt; 12
&gt; 41
&gt; 55
&gt;
&gt; I re-did it twice, but get the same results every time...

It's strange that you get a 41 after having disconnected the battery and
allowed the car to sit for a few minutes, then reconnected the battery and
attempted to start the engine, then checked the code. Usually 41 will not
be set unless the computer sees a charging system problem *with the engine
running*.

Assuming you're reading the codes correctly:

-Once you figure out why your fuel pump isn't receiving power, you've got
a charging system issue to look at.

-The computer sees the distributor signal, and so lack of distributor
signal is not why your fuel pump isn't getting power. Time to look at your
ASD relay, your fuel pump relay, and their control and power circuits, as
well as the wiring to the fuel pump itself.

When switching the ignition from off to on, do you *ever* hear the fuel
pump run briefly?

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#14: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-07 05:32:20 by Unknown User

Daniel-
I never hear the fuel pump anymore, but I used to hear it &quot;pressurize&quot; right
before starting the car before it broke down.

Where is the ASD relay and what does it do? I tried to look in my manuals,
but can't find it referenced. I bought a fuel pump relay, however there are
two identical sockets that it can physically fit into. I've swapped it out
in both places, but nothing different happens when trying to start the
car...

-Mark


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&gt; On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; The codes are still the same:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; 12
&gt; &gt; 41
&gt; &gt; 55
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I re-did it twice, but get the same results every time...
&gt;
&gt; It's strange that you get a 41 after having disconnected the battery and
&gt; allowed the car to sit for a few minutes, then reconnected the battery and
&gt; attempted to start the engine, then checked the code. Usually 41 will not
&gt; be set unless the computer sees a charging system problem *with the engine
&gt; running*.
&gt;
&gt; Assuming you're reading the codes correctly:
&gt;
&gt; -Once you figure out why your fuel pump isn't receiving power, you've got
&gt; a charging system issue to look at.
&gt;
&gt; -The computer sees the distributor signal, and so lack of distributor
&gt; signal is not why your fuel pump isn't getting power. Time to look at your
&gt; ASD relay, your fuel pump relay, and their control and power circuits, as
&gt; well as the wiring to the fuel pump itself.
&gt;
&gt; When switching the ignition from off to on, do you *ever* hear the fuel
&gt; pump run briefly?
&gt;
&gt;

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#15: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-07 05:48:53 by dastern

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:

&gt; I never hear the fuel pump anymore, but I used to hear it &quot;pressurize&quot;
&gt; right before starting the car before it broke down.

OK, so you definitely have a problem somewhere in your fuel pump control
or driver circuit. That includes the engine control computer (SBEC), the
feed wiring (from the SBEC) and the ground wiring tto the ASD and fuel
pump relays' 85 and 86 terminals, the fusible links through which power is
supplied to terminal 30 of the ASD and fuel pump relays, the relays
themselves, the feed wiring that runs from terminal 87 of the fuel pump
relay to the fuel pump, and the fuel pump ground wiring.

&gt; Where is the ASD relay

Grouped with the fuel pump, radiator fan and A/C clutch relays on the
driver's side of the engine bay.

&gt; and what does it do?

Explained in an earlier post.

&gt; I tried to look in my manuals, but can't find it referenced.

That's why you need a factory service manual, or at least a subscription
to alldatadiy.com . You cannot successfully diagnose and repair your car
with Haynes/Chilton's garbage.

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#16: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-08 01:02:40 by mic canic

before you do anything else take your keys and lock and unlock the doors then
try starting it
if the battery went dead then you may have tripped the alarm system and it
has shut down the pcm

&quot;Daniel J. Stern&quot; wrote:

&gt; (removed inappropriate newsgroups - can't you read?)
&gt;
&gt; On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Unknown User wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Checked the codes, they are:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; 12
&gt; &gt; 41
&gt; &gt; 55
&gt;
&gt; 41 indicates a problem with your alternator field control circuit and
&gt; probably is unrelated to your fuel pump lack of power. Did you disconnect
&gt; the battery for a few minutes, reconnect it, attempt to start the engine
&gt; and then pull the codes? Or did you just pull them without
&gt; disconnect/reconnect/attempt-to-start?

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#17: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-11 04:45:16 by clemslay

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:01:51 -0400, &quot;Daniel J. Stern&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:dastern&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">dastern&#64;127.0.0.1</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;attempted to start the engine, then checked the code. Usually 41 will not
&gt;be set unless the computer sees a charging system problem *with the engine
&gt;running*.
&gt;
&gt;Assuming you're reading the codes correctly:
&gt;
&gt;-Once you figure out why your fuel pump isn't receiving power, you've got
&gt;a charging system issue to look at.

Alternator brushes worn so low that battery is so run down that it
will crank but not enough voltage to pull-in the ASD relay?
Since they tend to rust inside, change it.

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#18: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-11 05:22:03 by dastern

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 <a href="mailto:clemslay&#64;iname.com" target="_blank">clemslay&#64;iname.com</a> wrote:

&gt; Alternator brushes worn so low that battery is so run down that it will
&gt; crank but not enough voltage to pull-in the ASD relay?

Highly doubtful.

&gt; Since they tend to rust inside, change it.

I might agree with you here if I knew what &quot;they&quot; referred to.

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#19: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-14 04:22:44 by clemslay

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:22:03 -0400, &quot;Daniel J. Stern&quot;
&gt;&gt; Since they tend to rust inside, change it.
&gt;
&gt;I might agree with you here if I knew what &quot;they&quot; referred to.

Or not. :)
ASD relays.

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#20: Re: 1992 Dodge Spirit Fuel Pump problem

Posted on 2005-09-14 07:59:58 by Unknown User

Sorry, but I've been out of pocket for the last week or so, just started a
new job...

I already replaced the alternator last month.

-Mark

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&gt; On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:01:51 -0400, &quot;Daniel J. Stern&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:dastern&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">dastern&#64;127.0.0.1</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;attempted to start the engine, then checked the code. Usually 41 will not
&gt; &gt;be set unless the computer sees a charging system problem *with the
engine
&gt; &gt;running*.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Assuming you're reading the codes correctly:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;-Once you figure out why your fuel pump isn't receiving power, you've got
&gt; &gt;a charging system issue to look at.
&gt;
&gt; Alternator brushes worn so low that battery is so run down that it
&gt; will crank but not enough voltage to pull-in the ASD relay?
&gt; Since they tend to rust inside, change it.
&gt;

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