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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796687] |
Sun, 02 March 2008 18:50 |
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Mike P wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
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> I'm sorry, but what the fuck. She shouldn't have been texting, but the
> motorcyclist went through a red light and wasn't wearing a helmet....
> yet she gets jailed? I think someone is trying to prove a point the
> wrong way here..
May you or yours be the next people killed by a texting driver ...
> Mike P
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796688 ] |
Sun, 02 March 2008 19:09 |
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796689 ] |
Sun, 02 March 2008 19:10 |
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Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:50:49 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> <theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote:
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>> Mike P wrote:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
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>>> I'm sorry, but what the fuck. She shouldn't have been texting, but
>>> the motorcyclist went through a red light and wasn't wearing a
>>> helmet.... yet she gets jailed? I think someone is trying to prove
>>> a point the wrong way here..
>>
>> May you or yours be the next people killed by a texting driver ...
>
> May you or yours be killed by a red-light-runner.
On a bicycle ...?
LOL!
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796690 ] |
Sun, 02 March 2008 19:16 |
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Scott in SoCal wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:50:49 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
><theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>> >May you or yours be the next people killed by a texting driver ...
>
>May you or yours be killed by a red-light-runner.
Gosh, I wonder if anybody saw that coming!
Consider that running a red light may be the result of an "honest"
mistake but a texting driver has deliberately chosen to disregard
paying appropriate attention to driving.
--
============================================================ ============
Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
| two, one and one make one."
mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796691 ] |
Sun, 02 March 2008 19:18 |
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"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote in news:6307ofF259shtU1
[at] mid.individual.net:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
This is interesting since it appears the victim ran a red light and thus
was also at fault. Anyway, i'm glad the texting driver is being punished
though she deseved 20 years.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796694 ] |
Sun, 02 March 2008 19:35 |
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote in news:6307ofF259shtU1
> [at] mid.individual.net:
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>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
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> This is interesting since it appears the victim ran a red light and
> thus was also at fault. Anyway, i'm glad the texting driver is being
> punished though she deseved 20 years.
Why?
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796706 ] |
Sun, 02 March 2008 22:18 |
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In article <aqqdnQpy3cvLblfanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d [at] bt.com>, brimstone520-ng02
[at] yahoo.co.uk says...
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> > "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote in news:6307ofF259shtU1
> > [at] mid.individual.net:
> >
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
> >
> > This is interesting since it appears the victim ran a red light and
> > thus was also at fault. Anyway, i'm glad the texting driver is being
> > punished though she deseved 20 years.
>
> Why?
It wasn't a driving error - the texting was done in the full knowledge
of how it degrades concentration. Unless of course she has been inside a
lead covered shed for several years, with no communication to the
outside world.
--
MrBitsy
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796707 ] |
Sun, 02 March 2008 22:22 |
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"MEN Are Better Drivers ... "
Finally, some definitive findings that, once and for all, dispell any
lingering doubt that men are in any sense less skilled at driving
motor vehicles than their female counterparts.
--------------------------
"WOMEN really are worse drivers than men. A study published in 1998 by
the Johns Hopkins schools of medicine and public health revealed that
women clocked 5.7 auto accidents per million miles driven, in contrast
to men's 5.1, though men drive about 74 percent more miles a year than
women. The only good news was that women tended to take fewer driving
risks than men, so their crashes were only a third as likely to be
fatal. Those statistics were reinforced by a study released by the
University of London in January showing that women and gay men perform
more poorly than heterosexual men at tasks involving navigation and
spatial awareness, both crucial to good driving.
Why women are the sex that gets into more car accidents could have a
neurological explanation. Men's and women's brains not only look
different, but men's brains are bigger than women's (even adjusting
for men's generally bigger body size). The important proportional
difference is in the parietal cortex, which is associated with space
perception -- critical to skills like driving. But visuospatial
skills, the capacity to rotate three-dimensional objects in the mind,
at which men tend to excel over women, are also related to a capacity
for abstract thinking and reasoning, the grounding for mathematics,
science and philosophy."
---------------------------
So there you have it! Another longtime argument put to rest.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02 /29/AR2008022903397.html
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796741 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 04:07 |
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"James Fenimore" <kinkysr [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ffa65e0-547a-4eb9-99c1-833cf102352e [at] u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> "MEN Are Better Drivers ... "
>
>
>
> Finally, some definitive findings that, once and for all, dispell any
> lingering doubt that men are in any sense less skilled at driving
> motor vehicles than their female counterparts.
> --------------------------
>
> "WOMEN really are worse drivers than men. A study published in 1998 by
> the Johns Hopkins schools of medicine and public health revealed that
> women clocked 5.7 auto accidents per million miles driven, in contrast
> to men's 5.1, though men drive about 74 percent more miles a year than
> women. The only good news was that women tended to take fewer driving
> risks than men, so their crashes were only a third as likely to be
> fatal. Those statistics were reinforced by a study released by the
> University of London in January showing that women and gay men perform
> more poorly than heterosexual men at tasks involving navigation and
> spatial awareness, both crucial to good driving.
>
> Why women are the sex that gets into more car accidents could have a
> neurological explanation. Men's and women's brains not only look
> different, but men's brains are bigger than women's (even adjusting
> for men's generally bigger body size). The important proportional
> difference is in the parietal cortex, which is associated with space
> perception -- critical to skills like driving. But visuospatial
> skills, the capacity to rotate three-dimensional objects in the mind,
> at which men tend to excel over women, are also related to a capacity
> for abstract thinking and reasoning, the grounding for mathematics,
> science and philosophy."
>
> ---------------------------
>
> So there you have it! Another longtime argument put to rest.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02 /29/AR2008022903397.html
Excellent article. So now we know. Women are slightly more likely to crash,
but when men do crash, you are 2/3 more likely to die.
Thanks. Now I know to ride with women when I have a choice.
Betsy
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796744 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 04:19 |
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"Betsy" <b.fernley [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2sOdncov0vEJ91banZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
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>>
>> So there you have it! Another longtime argument put to rest.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02 /29/AR2008022903397.html
>
> Excellent article. So now we know. Women are slightly more likely to
> crash, but when men do crash, you are 2/3 more likely to die.
>
> Thanks. Now I know to ride with women when I have a choice.
>
And make sure you don't get hit by a man...
Best bet: take the bus. Now if only the schedule indicated which routes
have female drivers...
I'm wondering if they factored in to the study differences in vehicle size.
Men are more likely to drive small sports cars - when was the last time you
saw a woman driving a Corvette, or a 911? It's rare. Women often like big
ass SUVs, I think it's a way to project a large physical presence in a world
where they are feel small and weak, you see the tiniest women driving the
biggest mega-size Expeditions and Suburbans.
That'll give you a differential in fatality rates.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796748 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 04:32 |
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796761 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 05:06 |
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"Bo Raxo" <crimenewscenter [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:K7ydneM91vSM81banZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d [at] comcast.com...
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> "Betsy" <b.fernley [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:2sOdncov0vEJ91banZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
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> >>
>>> So there you have it! Another longtime argument put to rest.
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02 /29/AR2008022903397.html
>>
>> Excellent article. So now we know. Women are slightly more likely to
>> crash, but when men do crash, you are 2/3 more likely to die.
>>
>> Thanks. Now I know to ride with women when I have a choice.
>>
>
> And make sure you don't get hit by a man...
>
> Best bet: take the bus. Now if only the schedule indicated which routes
> have female drivers...
>
> I'm wondering if they factored in to the study differences in vehicle
> size. Men are more likely to drive small sports cars - when was the last
> time you saw a woman driving a Corvette, or a 911? It's rare. Women
> often like big ass SUVs, I think it's a way to project a large physical
> presence in a world where they are feel small and weak, you see the
> tiniest women driving the biggest mega-size Expeditions and Suburbans.
>
> That'll give you a differential in fatality rates.
Oh bullshit. I hate driving big-ass cars. I want something that's easy to
handle, easy to park, easy to drive. Most females who drive those big-assed
things, do so only because they have to haul the kids around more often than
not. Once they no longer have to haul the kids around, they choose
something more to their own liking. I know I did.
td
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796777 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 11:34 |
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On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:32:44 -0800, Scott in SoCal
<scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:10:41 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
><theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>
>>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:50:49 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>> <theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but what the fuck. She shouldn't have been texting, but
>>>>> the motorcyclist went through a red light and wasn't wearing a
>>>>> helmet.... yet she gets jailed? I think someone is trying to prove
>>>>> a point the wrong way here..
>>>>
>>>> May you or yours be the next people killed by a texting driver ...
>>>
>>> May you or yours be killed by a red-light-runner.
>>
>>On a bicycle ...?
>
>Are you saying you wouldn't swerve to avoid hitting a pedalcyclist who
>ran a red light in front of you, possibly running into a wall or a
>tree or something? Even if you mow the pedalcyclist down, he might end
>up crashing through your windshield, causing you to lose control and
>crash into a wall or a tree.
>
>Better keep a close eye on the balance in your Karma account, that's
>all I gotta say.
If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796778 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 13:50 |
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In article <47cbd425.674436765 [at] news.motzarella.org>,
terryf [at] googlemail.com says...
> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
If you make a driving error, would you accept another driver kills your
passengers, because they have priority?
--
MrBitsy
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796780 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 14:24 |
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"Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2236047f143e61a989722 [at] news.ntlworld.com...
> In article <47cbd425.674436765 [at] news.motzarella.org>,
> terryf [at] googlemail.com says...
>
>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>
> If you make a driving error, would you accept another driver kills your
> passengers, because they have priority?
>
You seem to have overlooked the word "chooses". That's doing something
deliberately, not making a cock up.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796784 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 15:07 |
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796787 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 15:19 |
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In article <5g1os3p4qvnmoc8ksousfqcdtao3o6su03 [at] 4ax.com>,
Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
> >it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
> Anyone dumb/oblivious enough to run a red light on a bicycle might
> also be dumb/oblivious enough not to swerve. So will you simply run
> them down?
I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a damn good
look before doing so. Unlike car drivers running one just after it's
changed to red. They tend to speed up rather than do it carefully.
--
*Why is a boxing ring square?
Dave Plowman dave [at] davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796791 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 15:31 |
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:50:18 GMT, Raymond Keattch
<ray.keattch [at] nowhere.com> wrote:
>In article <47cbd425.674436765 [at] news.motzarella.org>,
>terryf [at] googlemail.com says...
>
>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>
>If you make a driving error, would you accept another driver kills your
>passengers, because they have priority?
If I make a driving error, I alone am responsible for the
consequences.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796794 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 15:33 |
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:07:55 -0800, Scott in SoCal
<scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:34:20 GMT, terryf [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:32:44 -0800, Scott in SoCal
>><scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:10:41 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>><theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:50:49 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>>>> <theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but what the fuck. She shouldn't have been texting, but
>>>>>>> the motorcyclist went through a red light and wasn't wearing a
>>>>>>> helmet.... yet she gets jailed? I think someone is trying to prove
>>>>>>> a point the wrong way here..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May you or yours be the next people killed by a texting driver ...
>>>>>
>>>>> May you or yours be killed by a red-light-runner.
>>>>
>>>>On a bicycle ...?
>>>
>>>Are you saying you wouldn't swerve to avoid hitting a pedalcyclist who
>>>ran a red light in front of you, possibly running into a wall or a
>>>tree or something? Even if you mow the pedalcyclist down, he might end
>>>up crashing through your windshield, causing you to lose control and
>>>crash into a wall or a tree.
>>>
>>>Better keep a close eye on the balance in your Karma account, that's
>>>all I gotta say.
>>
>>If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>>it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>
>Anyone dumb/oblivious enough to run a red light on a bicycle might
>also be dumb/oblivious enough not to swerve. So will you simply run
>them down?
I might brake gently if there's nobody right behind me, but I'm not
going to risk damaging my car for the sake of a scofflaw cyclist.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796798 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 16:03 |
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In article <1ffa65e0-547a-4eb9-99c1-833cf102352e [at] u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
James Fenimore <kinkysr [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>"MEN Are Better Drivers ... "
>
>
>
>Finally, some definitive findings that, once and for all, dispell any
>lingering doubt that men are in any sense less skilled at driving
>motor vehicles than their female counterparts.
>--------------------------
>
>"WOMEN really are worse drivers than men. A study published in 1998 by
>the Johns Hopkins schools of medicine and public health revealed that
>women clocked 5.7 auto accidents per million miles driven, in contrast
>to men's 5.1, though men drive about 74 percent more miles a year than
>women.
"Though" is misplaced here, as the statistic was clearly stated as
"per million miles driven."
>The only good news was that women tended to take fewer driving
>risks than men, so their crashes were only a third as likely to be
>fatal.
That men have 9 accidents per million miles driven for every ten that
women have, is hardly proof that men are better drivers if men's
accidents are three times as likely to be fatal.
>Those statistics were reinforced by a study released by the
>University of London in January showing that women and gay men perform
>more poorly than heterosexual men at tasks involving navigation and
>spatial awareness, both crucial to good driving.
>
>Why women are the sex that gets into more car accidents could have a
>neurological explanation. Men's and women's brains not only look
>different, but men's brains are bigger than women's (even adjusting
>for men's generally bigger body size). The important proportional
>difference is in the parietal cortex, which is associated with space
>perception -- critical to skills like driving. But visuospatial
>skills, the capacity to rotate three-dimensional objects in the mind,
>at which men tend to excel over women, are also related to a capacity
>for abstract thinking and reasoning, the grounding for mathematics,
>science and philosophy."
And what brain difference accounts for three times as many of the
accidents with male drivers being fatal?
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796805 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 17:02 |
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In article <k82dnWBgyoi9YVba4p2dnAA [at] bt.com>, brimstone520-ng02
[at] yahoo.co.uk says...
>
> "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2236047f143e61a989722 [at] news.ntlworld.com...
> > In article <47cbd425.674436765 [at] news.motzarella.org>,
> > terryf [at] googlemail.com says...
> >
> >> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
> >> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
> >
> > If you make a driving error, would you accept another driver kills your
> > passengers, because they have priority?
> >
> You seem to have overlooked the word "chooses". That's doing something
> deliberately, not making a cock up.
I rather think 'chooses', was an ever so sarcastic slant on its meaning.
--
MrBitsy
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796809 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 17:18 |
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terryf [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote in news:47cc0b8f.688622468
[at] news.motzarella.org:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:50:18 GMT, Raymond Keattch
> <ray.keattch [at] nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <47cbd425.674436765 [at] news.motzarella.org>,
>>terryf [at] googlemail.com says...
>>
>>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>>
>>If you make a driving error, would you accept another driver kills your
>>passengers, because they have priority?
>
> If I make a driving error, I alone am responsible for the
> consequences.
Maybe. Look up "contributory negligence."
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796810 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 17:19 |
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terryf [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote in
news:47cc0bd1.688689187 [at] news.motzarella.org:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:07:55 -0800, Scott in SoCal
> <scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:34:20 GMT, terryf [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:32:44 -0800, Scott in SoCal
>>><scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:10:41 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>>><theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:50:49 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>>>>> <theprof [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but what the fuck. She shouldn't have been texting,
>>>>>>>> but the motorcyclist went through a red light and wasn't
>>>>>>>> wearing a helmet.... yet she gets jailed? I think someone is
>>>>>>>> trying to prove a point the wrong way here..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May you or yours be the next people killed by a texting driver
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May you or yours be killed by a red-light-runner.
>>>>>
>>>>>On a bicycle ...?
>>>>
>>>>Are you saying you wouldn't swerve to avoid hitting a pedalcyclist
>>>>who ran a red light in front of you, possibly running into a wall or
>>>>a tree or something? Even if you mow the pedalcyclist down, he might
>>>>end up crashing through your windshield, causing you to lose control
>>>>and crash into a wall or a tree.
>>>>
>>>>Better keep a close eye on the balance in your Karma account, that's
>>>>all I gotta say.
>>>
>>>If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>>>it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>>
>>Anyone dumb/oblivious enough to run a red light on a bicycle might
>>also be dumb/oblivious enough not to swerve. So will you simply run
>>them down?
>
> I might brake gently if there's nobody right behind me, but I'm not
> going to risk damaging my car for the sake of a scofflaw cyclist.
Maybe. Look up "rhetorical question."
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796821 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 17:54 |
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"Betsy" <b.fernley [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2sOdncov0vEJ91banZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>
> "James Fenimore" <kinkysr [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1ffa65e0-547a-4eb9-99c1-833cf102352e [at] u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> "MEN Are Better Drivers ... "
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally, some definitive findings that, once and for all, dispell any
>> lingering doubt that men are in any sense less skilled at driving
>> motor vehicles than their female counterparts.
>> --------------------------
>>
>> "WOMEN really are worse drivers than men. A study published in 1998 by
>> the Johns Hopkins schools of medicine and public health revealed that
>> women clocked 5.7 auto accidents per million miles driven, in contrast
>> to men's 5.1, though men drive about 74 percent more miles a year than
>> women. The only good news was that women tended to take fewer driving
>> risks than men, so their crashes were only a third as likely to be
>> fatal. Those statistics were reinforced by a study released by the
>> University of London in January showing that women and gay men perform
>> more poorly than heterosexual men at tasks involving navigation and
>> spatial awareness, both crucial to good driving.
>>
>> Why women are the sex that gets into more car accidents could have a
>> neurological explanation. Men's and women's brains not only look
>> different, but men's brains are bigger than women's (even adjusting
>> for men's generally bigger body size). The important proportional
>> difference is in the parietal cortex, which is associated with space
>> perception -- critical to skills like driving. But visuospatial
>> skills, the capacity to rotate three-dimensional objects in the mind,
>> at which men tend to excel over women, are also related to a capacity
>> for abstract thinking and reasoning, the grounding for mathematics,
>> science and philosophy."
>>
>> ---------------------------
>>
>> So there you have it! Another longtime argument put to rest.
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02 /29/AR2008022903397.html
>
> Excellent article. So now we know. Women are slightly more likely to
> crash, but when men do crash, you are 2/3 more likely to die.
Further proof that Men do it Better ...
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796826 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 18:04 |
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On Mar 3, 2:34=A0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:32:44 -0800, Scott in SoCal
>
>
>
>
>
> <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:10:41 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> ><thep... [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>
> >>Scott in SoCal wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:50:49 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> >>> <thep... [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> Mike P wrote:
> >>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
>
> >>>>> I'm sorry, but what the fuck. She shouldn't have been texting, but
> >>>>> the motorcyclist went through a red light and wasn't wearing a
> >>>>> helmet.... yet she gets jailed? =A0I think someone is trying to prov=
e
> >>>>> a point the wrong way here..
>
> >>>> May you or yours be the next people killed by a texting driver ...
>
> >>> May you or yours be killed by a red-light-runner.
>
> >>On a bicycle ...?
>
> >Are you saying you wouldn't swerve to avoid hitting a pedalcyclist who
> >ran a red light in front of you, possibly running into a wall or a
> >tree or something? Even if you mow the pedalcyclist down, he might end
> >up crashing through your windshield, causing you to lose control and
> >crash into a wall or a tree.
>
> >Better keep a close eye on the balance in your Karma account, that's
> >all I gotta say.
>
> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.- Hide quoted text =
-
I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
Harry K
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796855 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 20:32 |
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In article <4f7a4ce5efdave [at] davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave [at] davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a damn good
>look before doing so. Unlike car drivers running one just after it's
>changed to red. They tend to speed up rather than do it carefully.
You can't tell whether they are being careful by their change in
speed.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796858 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 20:51 |
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In article <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891831 [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Harry K <turnkey4099 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 3, 2:34=A0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>>
>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>
>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
prosecuted. The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civil
case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
in front of me".
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796868 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 22:35 |
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:04:14 -0800 (PST), Harry K
<turnkey4099 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 3, 2:34=A0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:32:44 -0800, Scott in SoCal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:10:41 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>> ><thep... [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:50:49 -0700, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>> >>> <thep... [at] jonez.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Mike P wrote:
>> >>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm
>>
>> >>>>> I'm sorry, but what the fuck. She shouldn't have been texting, but
>> >>>>> the motorcyclist went through a red light and wasn't wearing a
>> >>>>> helmet.... yet she gets jailed? =A0I think someone is trying to prov=
>e
>> >>>>> a point the wrong way here..
>>
>> >>>> May you or yours be the next people killed by a texting driver ...
>>
>> >>> May you or yours be killed by a red-light-runner.
>>
>> >>On a bicycle ...?
>>
>> >Are you saying you wouldn't swerve to avoid hitting a pedalcyclist who
>> >ran a red light in front of you, possibly running into a wall or a
>> >tree or something? Even if you mow the pedalcyclist down, he might end
>> >up crashing through your windshield, causing you to lose control and
>> >crash into a wall or a tree.
>>
>> >Better keep a close eye on the balance in your Karma account, that's
>> >all I gotta say.
>>
>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.- Hide quoted text =
>-
>
>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
We don't have "bail bondsmen" or "defense lawyers" in this country.
Any cyclist who takes his chance going through a red light is...taking
his chance. If he gets hit, fuck him. I didn't see him. He came out
of nowhere.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796870 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 22:36 |
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:51:48 -0600, russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net
(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
>In article <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891831 [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>Harry K <turnkey4099 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Mar 3, 2:34=A0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>>>
>>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>>
>>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
>
>If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
>bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
>most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
>prosecuted. The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civil
>case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
>in front of me".
And I couldn't stop in time. Even if I'd wanted to.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796873 ] |
Mon, 03 March 2008 22:46 |
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On 3 Mar, 21:36, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:51:48 -0600, russo... [at] grace.speakeasy.net
>
>
>
>
>
> (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
> >In article <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891... [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.=
com>,
> >Harry K =A0<turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>On Mar 3, 2:34=3DA0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>
> >>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
> >>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>
> >>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
> >>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
>
> >If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
> >bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
> >most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
> >prosecuted. =A0The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civi=
l
> >case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
> >in front of me".
>
> And I couldn't stop in time. =A0Even if I'd wanted to.
You do rather give the game away. Judge, jury and executioner. Do you
ram cars that behave badly in front of you?
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796884 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 00:53 |
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In article <OdednbM5Ueqlz1HanZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d [at] speakeasy.net>,
Matthew T. Russotto <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a damn
> >good look before doing so. Unlike car drivers running one just after
> >it's changed to red. They tend to speed up rather than do it carefully.
> You can't tell whether they are being careful by their change in
> speed.
Apart from the fact that most cyclists are doing at the most 20 mph - and
slow down to a near stop before carrying on across a red light. Car
drivers, on the other hand, go through a recently changed to red one at
30+. Difficult to be careful at that speed as they simply couldn't stop if
something was coming the other way.
--
*I'm not your type. I'm not inflatable.
Dave Plowman dave [at] davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796891 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 01:44 |
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On Mar 3, 6:53=A0pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d... [at] davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <OdednbM5Ueqlz1HanZ2dnUVZ_vamn... [at] speakeasy.net>,
> =A0 =A0Matthew T. Russotto <russo... [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> > >I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a damn
> > >good look before doing so. Unlike car drivers running one just after
> > >it's changed to red. They tend to speed up rather than do it carefully.=
> > You can't tell whether they are being careful by their change in
> > speed.
>
> Apart from the fact that most cyclists are doing at the most 20 mph - and
> slow down to a near stop before carrying on across a red light. Car
> drivers, on the other hand, go through a recently changed to red one at
> 30+. Difficult to be careful at that speed as they simply couldn't stop if=
> something was coming the other way.
>
> --
> *I'm not your type. I'm not inflatable.
>
> =A0 =A0 Dave Plowman =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0d... [at] davenoise.co.uk =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 London SW
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Depends on the cyclist, the driver, the bike and the car. In the city
a large portion of the people you see running red lights are on
fixie's, usually brakeless. How far do you figure it takes to skid-
stop from 20MPH? A 911 can stop from 30MPH in less than 30 feet.
I've had rat bikes in the past with brakes that couldn't reel it in
from 20MPH in 30 feet. I also think 20MPH at the *most* is
innacurate. I know I sometimes ride faster than that on flat ground
nevermind with any sort of a decline, and I know other riders who are
faster than me.
Generally speaking I agree with your principal, but absolute
statements are rarely a safe bet.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796985 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 07:15 |
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:53:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave [at] davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <OdednbM5Ueqlz1HanZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d [at] speakeasy.net>,
> Matthew T. Russotto <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a damn
>> >good look before doing so. Unlike car drivers running one just after
>> >it's changed to red. They tend to speed up rather than do it carefully.
>
>> You can't tell whether they are being careful by their change in
>> speed.
>
>Apart from the fact that most cyclists are doing at the most 20 mph - and
>slow down to a near stop before carrying on across a red light. Car
>drivers, on the other hand, go through a recently changed to red one at
>30+. Difficult to be careful at that speed as they simply couldn't stop if
>something was coming the other way.
They usually rely on the fact that anything coming the other way will
be starting from a stop. Not always the case, sadly.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796986 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 07:17 |
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:46:33 -0800 (PST), Squashme <squashme [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 3 Mar, 21:36, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:51:48 -0600, russo... [at] grace.speakeasy.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
>> >In article <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891... [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> >Harry K =A0<turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>On Mar 3, 2:34=3DA0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>>
>> >>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>> >>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>>
>> >>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>> >>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
>>
>> >If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
>> >bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
>> >most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
>> >prosecuted. =A0The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civi=
>l
>> >case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
>> >in front of me".
>>
>> And I couldn't stop in time. =A0Even if I'd wanted to.
>
>You do rather give the game away. Judge, jury and executioner. Do you
>ram cars that behave badly in front of you?
If they're at fault, I'm not going to swerve into a street light to
avoid them.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796989 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 08:46 |
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On 4 Mar, 00:44, "DanK... [at] gmail.com" <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 3, 6:53 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d... [at] davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <OdednbM5Ueqlz1HanZ2dnUVZ_vamn... [at] speakeasy.net>,
> > Matthew T. Russotto <russo... [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> > > >I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a damn
> > > >good look before doing so. Unlike car drivers running one just after
> > > >it's changed to red. They tend to speed up rather than do it carefully.
> > > You can't tell whether they are being careful by their change in
> > > speed.
>
> > Apart from the fact that most cyclists are doing at the most 20 mph - and
> > slow down to a near stop before carrying on across a red light. Car
> > drivers, on the other hand, go through a recently changed to red one at
> > 30+. Difficult to be careful at that speed as they simply couldn't stop if
> > something was coming the other way.
>
> > --
> > *I'm not your type. I'm not inflatable.
>
> > Dave Plowman d... [at] davenoise.co.uk London SW
> > To e-mail, change noise into sound.
>
> Depends on the cyclist, the driver, the bike and the car. In the city
> a large portion of the people you see running red lights are on
> fixie's, usually brakeless. How far do you figure it takes to skid-
> stop from 20MPH? A 911 can stop from 30MPH in less than 30 feet.
> I've had rat bikes in the past with brakes that couldn't reel it in
> from 20MPH in 30 feet. I also think 20MPH at the *most* is
> innacurate. I know I sometimes ride faster than that on flat ground
> nevermind with any sort of a decline, and I know other riders who are
> faster than me.
>
> Generally speaking I agree with your principal, but absolute
> statements are rarely a safe bet.
"Usually brakeless"? Aren't there legal requirements?
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796990 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 08:48 |
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On 4 Mar, 06:17, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:46:33 -0800 (PST),Squashme<squas... [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 3 Mar, 21:36, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
> >> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:51:48 -0600, russo... [at] grace.speakeasy.net
>
> >> (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
> >> >In article <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891... [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.=
> >com>,
> >> >Harry K =A0<turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>On Mar 3, 2:34=3DA0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>
> >> >>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
> >> >>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>
> >> >>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
> >> >>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
>
> >> >If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
> >> >bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
> >> >most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
> >> >prosecuted. =A0The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civi=
> >l
> >> >case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
> >> >in front of me".
>
> >> And I couldn't stop in time. =A0Even if I'd wanted to.
>
> >You do rather give the game away. Judge, jury and executioner. Do you
> >ram cars that behave badly in front of you?
>
> If they're at fault, I'm not going to swerve into a street light to
> avoid them.
Nor to save yourself?
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796995 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 10:32 |
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On 2008-03-03, Matthew T. Russotto <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
> In article <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891831 [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> Harry K <turnkey4099 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Mar 3, 2:34=A0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>>>
>>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>>
>>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
>
> If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
> bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
> most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
> prosecuted. The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civil
> case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
> in front of me".
So why didn't it work for the woman whose sentence of four years started this
thread?
--
"Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
and presumptuous desire for a second one."
[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796996 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 11:05 |
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:48:18 -0800 (PST), squashme [at] gmail.com wrote:
>On 4 Mar, 06:17, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:46:33 -0800 (PST),Squashme<squas... [at] gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 3 Mar, 21:36, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:51:48 -0600, russo... [at] grace.speakeasy.net
>>
>> >> (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
>> >> >In article <22cfe970-cd54-46b4-b626-93d3a2891... [at] d4g2000prg.googlegroups.=
>> >com>,
>> >> >Harry K =A0<turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>On Mar 3, 2:34=3DA0am, ter... [at] googlemail.com (Terry F.) wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> If I have the right of way and a cyclist chooses to run a red light,
>> >> >>> it should be the cyclist doing all the swerving not me.
>>
>> >> >>I bet you would enjoy every minute of explaining that theory to the
>> >> >>cops, your insurance agent, the bail bondsman, your defense lawyer...
>>
>> >> >If he hits a cyclist who runs a red light, he's not going to need a
>> >> >bail bondsman or a criminal defense lawyer; even if arrested he'll
>> >> >most likely be released on his own recognizance and ultimately not
>> >> >prosecuted. =A0The insurance company will provide the lawyer for the civi=
>> >l
>> >> >case, and the explanation would be simply "The cyclist ran a red light
>> >> >in front of me".
>>
>> >> And I couldn't stop in time. =A0Even if I'd wanted to.
>>
>> >You do rather give the game away. Judge, jury and executioner. Do you
>> >ram cars that behave badly in front of you?
>>
>> If they're at fault, I'm not going to swerve into a street light to
>> avoid them.
>
>Nor to save yourself?
From what? I have seat belts, airbags and a shitload of engine
between me and anything in front.
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796997 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 12:36 |
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Following up to "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave [at] davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>I see plenty cyclists going through red lights - but they have a damn good
>look before doing so
did this one?
--
Mike
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| Re: Text Driver jailed for 4 years [message #796998 ] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 12:37 |
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Following up to Raymond Keattch <ray.keattch [at] nowhere.com> wrote:
>It wasn't a driving error - the texting was done in the full knowledge
>of how it degrades concentration.
its worse than that, you're not even looking out of the windows :-(
--
Mike
Remove clothing to email
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