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| Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794878] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 17:52 |
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I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I
go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those
near me.
Anyway, the first "accident" (see book "It's No Accident") happened to
a neighbor of mine who, like me, rides a scooter. Well, she started
from the green light when a car ran the light and... smashed leg and
who knows what else. Beautiful lady, beautiful no more. And she was
lucky it wasn't an SUV with their raised "macho" bumpers... Well, the
guy did stop (wasn't she lucky?) and was very sorry. But chances are
he was speeding, or on the cell phone or trying to beat the light or
everything at once. Everybody does it, right?
Well the second incident was really minor compared to this one, but
happened to my girlfriend with whom I was riding bike on the road...
First thing a car comes real close to her and cuts her off while
turning. I guess people riding bikes are not worth losing a few
seconds, and they are simply ignored. Well sometimes they get
noticed... Second thing she gets yelled at from an SUV, "Asshole!"...
and my girlfriend gives her the finger (yes, she does it too) before
doing the smart move (?) and taking the sidewalk.
It would be so easy to put speed cameras on traffic lights and catch
all those terrorists with a License to Kill. And that would take some
politicians who make an issue out of traffic safety... or a revolution
(see below), but that's another issue. ;)
In the meantime here's a debate from the past about terrorists and
speed cameras in civilized places like Germany...
"Red light camera solution?"
"Big Boy" <bigboy6... [at] aol.comgoaway> wrote in message
news:20021106022800.05358.00002719 [at] mb-fw.aol.com...
: These systems intrigue (and disgust) me.
:
: I was doing a deja.com search and noticed
: that they have them in Arizona. I am
: in Idaho where fortunately we don't have
: scum taking away even more of our
: freedom.
Freedom to speed and run red lights? What is there about "breaking the
law"
that you don't understand? Are you against the idea of security
cameras in
your place of business to protect you and your property?
Or are you one that figures "if I make it through and don't kill
anyone else
I haven't really violated the law"?
The real solution is very simple - obey the law. Then you can drive
with a
clear conscience and not have to worry about getting your picture
taken. You
can even save the cost of the hair spray...
---
jb3
http://groups.google.com/group/az.general/browse_thread/thre ad/8efbe0e5a32de216/342f792fe8027559?hl=en&lnk=st&q= %22car+ran+the+light%22#342f792fe8027559
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WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794888 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 18:34 |
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On Feb 19, 8:52=EF=BF=BDam, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I
> go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those
> near me.
Hey, Donkey Hotay. Fidel Castro finally resigned, now Raul is running
the country.
With any luck, you can pedal your bicycle back to Havana soon.
Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the
new Lion in the Jungle?
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794891 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 19:08 |
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donquijote1954:
<< reply limited to r.a.d >>
>I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I
>go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those
>near me.
>Anyway, the first "accident" (see book "It's No Accident") happened to
>a neighbor of mine who, like me, rides a scooter. Well, she started
>from the green light when a car ran the light and... smashed leg and
>who knows what else. Beautiful lady, beautiful no more. And she was
Why is she nolonger beautiful? TO say she is nolonger beautiful
because of an accident is rather shallow on your part.
>lucky it wasn't an SUV with their raised "macho" bumpers... Well, the
>guy did stop (wasn't she lucky?) and was very sorry. But chances are
>he was speeding, or on the cell phone or trying to beat the light or
>everything at once. Everybody does it, right?
Suprious conclusions, but you are probavblly right.
>Well the second incident was really minor compared to this one, but
>happened to my girlfriend with whom I was riding bike on the road...
>First thing a car comes real close to her and cuts her off while
>turning. I guess people riding bikes are not worth losing a few
>seconds, and they are simply ignored.
I've encountered that all too often. One of these days, I'm going to
get a tag number and call the cops just to see what happens. I have
called them (or more appropriately animal control) in the past when
I've been attacked by dogs while riding.
> Well sometimes they get
>noticed... Second thing she gets yelled at from an SUV, "Asshole!"...
>and my girlfriend gives her the finger (yes, she does it too) before
>doing the smart move (?) and taking the sidewalk.
Gutsy lady your GF is. Unfortunately, sometimes taking the sidewalk is
the only safe alternative.
>It would be so easy to put speed cameras on traffic lights and catch
>all those terrorists with a License to Kill. And that would take some
>politicians who make an issue out of traffic safety... or a revolution
>(see below), but that's another issue. ;)
They are called red light cameras when they are used for traffic
lights. I'm sure they could be adapted to record speed violations too,
but I'm not sure if they do or not.
>In the meantime here's a debate from the past about terrorists and
>speed cameras in civilized places like Germany...
>
>"Red light camera solution?"
>"Big Boy" <bigboy6... [at] aol.comgoaway> wrote in message
>
>news:20021106022800.05358.00002719 [at] mb-fw.aol.com...
>: These systems intrigue (and disgust) me.
>:
>: I was doing a deja.com search and noticed
>: that they have them in Arizona. I am
>: in Idaho where fortunately we don't have
>: scum taking away even more of our
>: freedom.
>
>Freedom to speed and run red lights? What is there about "breaking the
>law"that you don't understand? Are you against the idea of security
>cameras in your place of business to protect you and your property?
There is a difference between cameras on private property where you
have the option not to enter and public property that people really
have no choice but to use. And what of the privacy of peoiple on
adjacent private property who are photographed against their will when
someone runs a red light?
>Or are you one that figures "if I make it through and don't kill
>anyone elseI haven't really violated the law"?
Maybe if the cops got off their asses and enforced the law, cameras
would not be needed. That and actually introducing some standards for
driver licensing to begin with would help.
>The real solution is very simple - obey the law. Then you can drive
>with aclear conscience and not have to worry about getting
>your picture taken.
I do obey the law. Sometimes I think that makes me stand out a little
too much some times.
>Youcan even save the cost of the hair spray...
Doesn't work. IIRC, the Mythbusters tested this and busted the
myth....
F ools
E gomaniacs &
M orons
A ssociation
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794924 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 21:06 |
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On Feb 19, 12:34=C2=A0pm, "." <Rhiann... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 8:52=EF=BF=BDam, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I
> > go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those
> > near me.
>
> Hey, Donkey Hotay. Fidel Castro finally resigned, now Raul is running
> the country.
I'm waiting for Bush to resign too. His brother is better, I think.
>
> With any luck, you can pedal your bicycle back to Havana soon.
Cuba will never amount to anything good. Too far from Europe and too
close to, you know... ;)
>
> Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the
> new Lion in the Jungle?
He's an old lion himself, but you see a lion for what he is. No
camouflage like Castro who's more of a fox. Only hope is the Banana
Revolution.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794925 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 21:10 |
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I've been saying for years that criminal drivers are the real
terrorists. Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794935 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 21:34 |
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <betaxxx [at] earthlink.net> wrote in
message
news:7d9e4b9f-ed19-49f6-9d24-de9c5803e7a5 [at] q70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> I've been saying for years that criminal drivers are the real
> terrorists. Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
> DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
> are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
My family have been a victim of both. I had a cousin killed on 9/11, and his
father was killed by a mindless driver who ran a red-light. I only have to
know that the first one exists. The second, I have to worry about, and watch
for on a daily basis. Especially when I'm traveling on 2 wheels.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794945 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 22:19 |
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On Feb 19, 3:34 pm, "David White" <wlightn... [at] att.net> wrote:
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta... [at] earthlink.net> wrote in
> messagenews:7d9e4b9f-ed19-49f6-9d24-de9c5803e7a5 [at] q70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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> > I've been saying for years that criminal drivers are the real
> > terrorists. Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
> > DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
> > are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
>
> My family have been a victim of both. I had a cousin killed on 9/11, and his
> father was killed by a mindless driver who ran a red-light. I only have to
> know that the first one exists. The second, I have to worry about, and watch
> for on a daily basis. Especially when I'm traveling on 2 wheels.
There's no consolation for the victims of 4 wheeled-terrorists.
Victims just make it to the horror show (the 6 o'clock news), at best.
And not even the word "accident" does any justice to their plight...
(letter to Lisa, author of 'It's No Accident: The Real Story Behind
Senseless Death and Injury on Our Roads')
Dear Lisa,
David Townsend, Tia's father, gave me a copy of "It's No Accident"
this spring, nearly a year after my son Dominick was hit in a Seattle
crosswalk. Your book told our family's story and the stories of so
many other families of pedestrian victims - from the devastating news,
to the insurance companies, to meetings with the local county and city
prosecutor's offices.
Your book helped me understand that $490 fines and no drivers
education or loss of license for the drivers in these deadly crashes
are the norm. That deadly crosswalks like the one where Dominick was
run over frequently are left by the cities with no lights, no traffic
calming, no sign of the lives lost there. Before I read your book I
thought it was perhaps just our family or just Seattle and King
County.
We are so blessed that Dominick lived and is recovering steadily -
recovering from traumatic brain injury is a long long road. We are
appalled to see all the families we know now who have lost a child or
are trying so hard to restore their child after being hit by a car.
Lisa, thank you for putting together the stories and the statistics
into such a powerful book. I have bought copies to give to some of our
community and state leaders. I hope that your speaking schedule brings
you out to Washington. I think it would be so very important for our
local and state leaders to hear from you.
Desiree Douglass
HEADSTRONG
Seattle, WA
http://www.lulu.com/content/186268
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794946 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 22:23 |
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On Feb 19, 12:06=EF=BF=BDpm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
> He's an old lion himself, but you see a lion for what he is. No
> camouflage like Castro who's more of a fox. Only hope is the Banana
> Revolution.
So, why don't you take your Revolting Bananas back to Cuba where you'd
be closer to the action?
What's the point in complaining about traffic conditions *here* while
your cousins are living under the communists?
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794963 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 23:51 |
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On Feb 19, 4:23=C2=A0pm, "." <Rhiann... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 12:06=EF=BF=BDpm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > He's an old lion himself, but you see a lion for what he is. No
> > camouflage like Castro who's more of a fox. Only hope is the Banana
> > Revolution.
>
> So, why don't you take your Revolting Bananas back to Cuba where you'd
> be closer to the action?
In Cuba they don't let you talk like here. No freedom of speech. Here
the case is different... no democracy.
"Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the
government listens" -Alastair Farrugia
>
> What's the point in complaining about traffic conditions *here* while
> your cousins are living under the communists?
I'm complaining about the sad state of affairs in the world. Why
should I worry about the puppet, when we need to change the puppeteer?
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794970 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 00:25 |
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Doesn't this sign make sense?
http://atom.smasher.org/highway/?l1=We+are+the+sheep+&l2 =who+feed+the+beast%21&l3=&l4=
Would you like a T-shirt too?
http://www.zazzle.com/pub/done?pd=235627004264248658
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794971 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 00:28 |
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On Feb 19, 6:25=A0pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Doesn't this sign make sense?
>
> http://atom.smasher.org/highway/?l1=3DWe+are+the+sheep+& l2=3Dwho+feed+the.=
...
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> Would you like a T-shirt too?
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/pub/done?pd=3D235627004264248658
Maybe the T-shirt came out wrong...
http://www.zazzle.com/the_beast_shirt-235627004264248658
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #794977 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 00:41 |
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OK, breaking the news (no need to watch CNN) to you. What would you do
if Nader took up the issue?
(addressed to one of Nader's workers)
Hey, Melanie, I've the issue that can make Ralph stand out before the
other look alikes...
Please read this:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.scooter/browse_thread/thr ead/b6a18bc51b878c32/2d0e78f8cb88ddba?hl=en#2d0e78f8cb88ddba
This is very much Nader's tradition... TRAFFIC SAFETY, the issue of
the century!
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795017 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 02:42 |
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795040 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 04:17 |
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On Feb 19, 1:34 pm, "David White" <wlightn... [at] att.net> wrote:
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta... [at] earthlink.net> wrote in
> messagenews:7d9e4b9f-ed19-49f6-9d24-de9c5803e7a5 [at] q70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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> > I've been saying for years that criminal drivers are the real
> > terrorists. Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
> > DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
> > are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
>
> My family have been a victim of both. I had a cousin killed on 9/11, and his
> father was killed by a mindless driver who ran a red-light. I only have to
> know that the first one exists. The second, I have to worry about, and watch
> for on a daily basis. Especially when I'm traveling on 2 wheels.
That's my point. Most of us have never been endangered by a terrorist
but we are endangered by by criminal drivers every day. And yet which
is the idiot american most concerned with.?
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795072 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 08:22 |
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:34:55 GMT, "David White" <wlightning [at] att.net> wrote:
|>> terrorists. Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
|>> DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
|>> are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
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|>My family have been a victim of both. I had a cousin killed on 9/11, and his
|>father was killed by a mindless driver who ran a red-light. I only have to
|>know that the first one exists. The second, I have to worry about, and watch
|>for on a daily basis. Especially when I'm traveling on 2 wheels.
Which is why I think all people who can, should ride a M/Cycle to
prove they can drive adequately....failing the test can mean a failure in a
close casket.....not much to add to that...
Although some need a 4 wheeler for cargo space, 90% of them don't,
and gobble up the city's parking spaces horrendously. In my City, the meter
maids and insurance companies dump on the M/C guys big time, in a vain
attempt to cause as much damage as possible to the environment and keep the
accident flow coming their way.....
A trike is usually the limit for me, since it's easy to parallel
park, and can carry a heftier cargo than a plain MC, but the prices start at
$15,000, but a sidecar Scooter is a better investment, depending on the
method of add-on/removal capacity.....
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795086 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 14:30 |
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On Feb 19, 10:17=A0pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<beta... [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 1:34 pm, "David White" <wlightn... [at] att.net> wrote:
>
> > "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta... [at] earthlink.net> wrote i=
n
> > messagenews:7d9e4b9f-ed19-49f6-9d24-de9c5803e7a5 [at] q70g2000hsb.googlegroup=
s.com...
>
> > > I've been saying for years that criminal drivers are the real
> > > terrorists. =A0Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
> > > DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
> > > are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
>
> > My family have been a victim of both. I had a cousin killed on 9/11, and=
his
> > father was killed by a mindless driver who ran a red-light. I only have =
to
> > know that the first one exists. The second, I have to worry about, and w=
atch
> > for on a daily basis. Especially when I'm traveling on 2 wheels.
>
> That's my point. Most of us have never been =A0endangered by a terrorist
> but we are endangered by by criminal drivers every day. =A0And yet which
> is the idiot american most concerned with.?
Exactly right. The statistics won't lie: 3,000 at the Towers (a one
time event) vs. 40,000 on the road every year, of which 25,000 could
be saved if we were to have the safety rates of Sweden.
Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
terrorism. They take the picture of your ass going through the
airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
like they don't care...
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795118 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 17:35 |
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:30:47 -0800 (PST), donquijote1954
<nolionnoproblem [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
<< off topic newsgroups removed >>
>Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
>terrorism. They take the picture of your ass going through the
>airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
>like they don't care...
That's because the speed cameras have nothing to do with traffic
safety and everything to do with revenue collection. They are not
placed in areas with accident problems; they are placed where it is
perfectly safe to drive at a higher speed, put in a absurdly low speed
limit and up goes the camera.
All you have to do is read a newspaper article about a town that is
contemplating (or installing for the first time) speed cameras (or red
light cameras) and the first thing out of the, "leader's," mouth is
how much money they will rake in in the same breath as a passing
reference to, "safety."
"Well, I really think he shatters the myth of
white supremacy once and for all."
--Rep Charles Rangel on Pres. W. Bush
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795119 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 17:35 |
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"Bob" <rkba [at] rkba.info> wrote in message
news:5qknr3dr9050n6dhi9jvk696kop82ruent [at] 4ax.com...
> Which is why I think all people who can, should ride a M/Cycle to
> prove they can drive adequately....failing the test can mean a failure in
> a
> close casket.....not much to add to that...
>
> Although some need a 4 wheeler for cargo space, 90% of them don't,
> and gobble up the city's parking spaces horrendously. In my City, the
> meter
> maids and insurance companies dump on the M/C guys big time, in a vain
> attempt to cause as much damage as possible to the environment and keep
> the
> accident flow coming their way.....
Just wait for gas to get even pricier than it is now, and
I think we'll start to see a lot more cagers looking
longingly at two-wheeled transportation. In the
cities, probably be a lot more scooters - even seen,
say, downtown Taipei during rush hour?
Bob M.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795127 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 18:31 |
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Bob wrote:
> Which is why I think all people who can, should ride a M/Cycle to
> prove they can drive adequately....failing the test can mean a
> failure in a close casket....
^^^^^^
Calling Dr. Freud, calling Dr. Freud...
Bill "or did you mean /closed/ casket?" S.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795148 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 20:22 |
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On Feb 20, 11:35=A0am, "Bob Myers" <nospample... [at] address.invalid> wrote:
> "Bob" <r... [at] rkba.info> wrote in message
>
> news:5qknr3dr9050n6dhi9jvk696kop82ruent [at] 4ax.com...
>
> > Which is why I think all people who can, should ride a M/Cycle to
> > prove they can drive adequately....failing the test can mean a failure i=
n
> > a
> > close casket.....not much to add to that...
>
> > Although some need a 4 wheeler for cargo space, 90% of them don't,
> > and gobble up the city's parking spaces horrendously. In my City, the
> > meter
> > maids and insurance companies dump on the M/C guys big time, in a vain
> > attempt to cause as much damage as possible to the environment and keep
> > the
> > accident flow coming their way.....
>
> Just wait for gas to get even pricier than it is now, and
> I think we'll start to see a lot more cagers looking
> longingly at two-wheeled transportation. =A0In the
> cities, probably be a lot more scooters - even seen,
> say, downtown Taipei during rush hour?
>
> Bob M.
Yeah, but prices are not nearly high enough to make people move into
scooters. Maybe above $8.
Parking spaces could be another factor. Small compact cities like Key
West (pop. 25,000) rely a lot on scooters and bikes.
And last but not least the factor that keeps most people from trying
two wheels is... FEAR. In the land of the dinosaurs, the little furry
animals must be very careful. :)
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795158 ] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 21:40 |
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On Feb 20, 2:24 pm, cuhu... [at] webtv.net wrote:
> That is what some govts and the U.N. and U.S.fed govts want.To shoehorn
> people into little bitty so called cars and the cars are to little for
> big folks like I am.Either that, or get everybody pushing bicycle pedals
> or simply walking to wherever.
> cuhulin
You are not very clever, are you?
The UN receives a large chunk of their budget from the US, and the US
Federal Govt. just wants you to spend more, so they can get a larger
piece of the pie.
Do you know what's wrong with a jungle that produces War,
Environmental Recklessness and SUVs?
"In a society dominated by the fact of commercial competition, money
is necessarily the test of prowess, and wastefulness the sole
criterion of power." -Upton Sinclair, book 'The Jungle'
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Yet I don't see any reason that you may feel threaten by bicycles. The
opposite is true though.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795178 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 00:30 |
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On Feb 19, 11:34 am, "." <Rhiann... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 8:52=EF=BF=BDam, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I
> > go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those
> > near me.
>
> Hey, Donkey Hotay. Fidel Castro finally resigned, now Raul is running
> the country.
>
> With any luck, you can pedal your bicycle back to Havana soon.
>
> Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the
> new Lion in the Jungle?
motors are for wimps, or people that don't come equipped with anything
else between their legs.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795181 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 00:43 |
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On Feb 19, 2:10 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<beta... [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> I've been saying for years that criminal drivers are the real
> terrorists. Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
> DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
> are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
no kidding, 44k each year... more than all the homicides with a gun, a
knife, a candlestick put together.
More people die at the hands of motorists each year than have died in
Iraq & Afghanistan during both Bushes' tenure, hell throw Somalia &
Clinton's watch into the totals too - still the grim reaper arrives in
a Ford.
Not to diminish the brave men & women of our armed forces who
volunteer for duty in harm's way, but the numbers say that our
highways rack up a greater loss. Just the other day there was an
article in the local snooze about a soldier, home from his second tour
of someplace sandy, who died in a MVC, it's a shame - but it's the way
it is. If you want to make our streets to be safer you need not worry
about guns, focus on automobile control and get more bang for yer buck.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795182 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 00:47 |
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On Feb 19, 3:23 pm, "." <Rhiann... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 12:06=EF=BF=BDpm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
Rhiann... has a clear cut case of banana envy.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795194 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 02:12 |
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"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem [at] hotmail.com> wrote
> You are not very clever, are you?
And then...
> Yet I don't see any reason that you may feel threaten by bicycles. The
> opposite is true though.
Now: exactly who was it you were accusing of being "not very clever"?
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795200 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 03:24 |
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necromancer <55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org> wrote in
news:sblor35gj7gtnv5pjfv4tfotmpa9gp1gn2 [at] 4ax.com:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:30:47 -0800 (PST), donquijote1954
><nolionnoproblem [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
><< off topic newsgroups removed >>
>
>>Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
>>terrorism. They take the picture of your ass going through the
>>airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
>>like they don't care...
>
> That's because the speed cameras have nothing to do with traffic
> safety and everything to do with revenue collection. They are not
> placed in areas with accident problems; they are placed where it is
> perfectly safe to drive at a higher speed, put in a absurdly low speed
> limit and up goes the camera.
>
> All you have to do is read a newspaper article about a town that is
> contemplating (or installing for the first time) speed cameras (or red
> light cameras) and the first thing out of the, "leader's," mouth is
> how much money they will rake in in the same breath as a passing
> reference to, "safety."
>
> "Well, I really think he shatters the myth of
> white supremacy once and for all."
> --Rep Charles Rangel on Pres. W. Bush
>
it REALLY irks me that morons compare or equate speeders to terrorists.
there's NO comparison at all.
even a "school shooter"(mass murderer) is closer to a "terrorist" than any
speeder.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795206 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 04:00 |
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In article <db5f3697-e800-467e-9f43-eb6d558807b9 [at] j28g2000hsj.googlegroups.com>,
DennisTheBald <DennisTheBald [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 19, 11:34 am, "." <Rhiann... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the
>> new Lion in the Jungle?
>
>motors are for wimps, or people that don't come equipped with anything
>else between their legs.
Hmm... I have to admit, I've never tried it, but I really don't think
that works well for transportation.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795218 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 05:26 |
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Bob wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:34:55 GMT, "David White" <wlightning [at] att.net> wrote:
>
> |>> terrorists. Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder or
> |>> DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
> |>> are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
> |>
> |>My family have been a victim of both. I had a cousin killed on 9/11, and his
> |>father was killed by a mindless driver who ran a red-light. I only have to
> |>know that the first one exists. The second, I have to worry about, and watch
> |>for on a daily basis. Especially when I'm traveling on 2 wheels.
>
>
> Which is why I think all people who can, should ride a M/Cycle to
> prove they can drive adequately....failing the test can mean a failure in a
> close casket.....not much to add to that...
>
> Although some need a 4 wheeler for cargo space, 90% of them don't,
> and gobble up the city's parking spaces horrendously.[...]
How well does the motorcycle work in the snow, ice and cold? I have not
seen anyone on a motorcycle around here for over three months.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795222 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 06:41 |
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Jim Yanik:
>it REALLY irks me that morons compare or equate speeders to terrorists.
>there's NO comparison at all.
No arguement from me on that one. Its human debris like donkey hotay
and SFB who can't differentiate between an intentional act and an
unintentional act that spew crap like, "speeders are terrorists."
BTW, I liked the callous shallowness that donkey showed by saying that
his friend is nolonger beautiful because of the accident that she was
in. I've never laid eyes on this woman, but I would hazard to asy that
she os 100 000 times more beautiful than donkey hotay could ever hope
to be.
And as always, SFB's hypocrisy is quite exquisite.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS (a.k.a. SFB) admits to being
a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler:
"> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?
Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."
Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers
Are Murderers (SADDAM)), 10/3/2002
Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff [at] posting.google.com>
http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg
Proof that POA is LBMHB/lbVH/SADDAM:
See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795224 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 07:22 |
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On Feb 20, 9:35 am, necromancer
>
> All you have to do is read a newspaper article about a town that is
> contemplating (or installing for the first time) speed cameras (or red
> light cameras) and the first thing out of the, "leader's," mouth is
> how much money they will rake in in the same breath as a passing
> reference to, "safety."
>
>
And what's wrong with that?. I say make the criminals pay dearly so
us law-abiders can pay less taxes.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795242 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 10:35 |
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In article <a1580a78-86f8-4e20-9d97-109c22dc21f0 [at] e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
donquijote1954 <nolionnoproblem [at] hotmail.com> writes:
> I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM.
That's a laudable quest, but how exactly
are you going to go about it? What means
and methods have you toward that end?
What is your strategy?
It has to be more effective than just
playing Usenet prophet.
You'd have to be something like RoboCop,
going around & fscking up road terrorists
("Freeze, scum.")
If you could make spike belts shoot out
of your wrists like Spiderman, than would
be something.
Watch out for The Green Hornet (& Kato.)
He /is/ a road terrorist. And I have my
suspicions about The Punisher and
Fat Freddie's cat.
Thank goodness we have anti-road-terrorist
guys like you to defend us good people.
--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795254 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 14:59 |
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On Feb 20, 6:30=C2=A0pm, DennisTheBald <DennisTheB... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 11:34 am, "." <Rhiann... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 19, 8:52=EF=BF=BDam, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>=
> > wrote:
>
> > > I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I
> > > go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those
> > > near me.
>
> > Hey, Donkey Hotay. Fidel Castro finally resigned, now Raul is running
> > the country.
>
> > With any luck, you can pedal your bicycle back to Havana soon.
>
> > Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the
> > new Lion in the Jungle?
>
> motors are for wimps, or people that don't come equipped with anything
> else between their legs.
You got a point there:
"No doubt about it: When you want to have fun put a bicycle between
your legs. Some substitutions are allowed..."
(check front of T-shirt)
http://www.zazzle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825
And about the frugal scooters? They only got a little motor...
"A little motor can be a lot of fun between your legs. And it saves a
lot of gas!"
http://www.zazzle.com/scooter_shirt-235994025243531447
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795255 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 15:06 |
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On Feb 20, 6:47=C2=A0pm, DennisTheBald <DennisTheB... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 3:23 pm, "." <Rhiann... [at] gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 19, 12:06=EF=
=BF=BDpm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Rhiann... has a clear cut case of banana envy.
The banana is for the hungry beast. It's the only weapon the monkey
got. ;)
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795256 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 15:09 |
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On Feb 20, 8:12=A0pm, "P. Roehling" <nowayj... [at] uh-uh.edu> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > You are not very clever, are you?
>
> And then...
>
> > Yet I don't see any reason that you may feel threaten by bicycles. The
> > opposite is true though.
>
> Now: exactly who was it you were accusing of being "not very clever"?
You don't even have to be clever to get it.
It means in plain English that bicycles, scooters and motorcycles are
threatened by SUVs and not the other way around it.
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795257 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 15:13 |
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On Feb 20, 11:26=A0pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0... [at] REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Bob wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:34:55 GMT, "David White" <wlightn... [at] att.net> wro=
te:
>
> > |>> terrorists. =A0Your chances of being killed or maimed by a speeder o=
r
> > |>> DUI are a thousand times greater than by some mad bomber. Americans
> > |>> are such idiots for buying into this arab terrorism crap.
> > |>
> > |>My family have been a victim of both. I had a cousin killed on 9/11, a=
nd his
> > |>father was killed by a mindless driver who ran a red-light. I only hav=
e to
> > |>know that the first one exists. The second, I have to worry about, and=
watch
> > |>for on a daily basis. Especially when I'm traveling on 2 wheels.
>
> > =A0 =A0Which is why I think all people who can, should ride a M/Cycle to=
> > prove they can drive adequately....failing the test can mean a failure i=
n a
> > close casket.....not much to add to that...
>
> > =A0 =A0Although some need a 4 wheeler for cargo space, 90% of them don't=
,
> > and gobble up the city's parking spaces horrendously.[...]
>
> How well does the motorcycle work in the snow, ice and cold? I have not
> seen anyone on a motorcycle around here for over three months.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry you live in Siberia. Come to Key West and you'll seem them all:
bicycles, scooters, EVs, cars, and, of course, Supersized Unnecessary
Vehicles (mostly from Miami).
But you have a summer too, don't you?
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795259 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 15:26 |
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On Feb 21, 4:35=A0am, tkeats2... [at] hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <a1580a78-86f8-4e20-9d97-109c22dc2... [at] e6g2000prf.googlegroups.c=
om>,
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM.
>
> That's a laudable quest, but how exactly
> are you going to go about it? =A0What means
> and methods have you toward that end?
> What is your strategy?
>
> It has to be more effective than just
> playing Usenet prophet.
>
> You'd have to be something like RoboCop,
> going around & fscking up road terrorists
> ("Freeze, scum.")
>
> If you could make spike belts shoot out
> of your wrists like Spiderman, than would
> be something.
>
> Watch out for The Green Hornet (& Kato.)
> He /is/ a road terrorist. =A0And I have my
> suspicions about The Punisher and
> Fat Freddie's cat.
>
> Thank goodness we have anti-road-terrorist
> guys like you to defend us good people.
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
Short of calling Superman or Batman, we can catch the bad guys in SUVs
by sticking together. Same strategy developed by the sardines 300
million years ago. Bicycles can get together and ride the lane, just
like any other vehicle. Similar to Critical Mass but without
antagonizing the motorists who in the end are also trapped in the
cages. And also, unlike Critical Mass, we would ride the road every
day for real transportation.
This T-shirt can fit the bill (I've renounced to any profit on it)...
http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories
Then if everything fails, we call on Clark Kent. ;)
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Thu, 21 February 2008 15:40 |
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795268 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 15:55 |
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On Feb 21, 9:40=A0am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:35:57 -0800, tkeats2... [at] hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <a1580a78-86f8-4e20-9d97-109c22dc2... [at] e6g2000prf.googlegroups.=
com>,
> > =A0 =A0donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >> I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM.
>
> >That's a laudable quest, but how exactly
> >are you going to go about it? =A0What means
> >and methods have you toward that end?
> >What is your strategy?
>
> His primary MO is posting annoying garbage to USENET.
> --
Sure, road safety is garbage only if you drive a supersized SUV. Why
don't you try riding a bike in traffic and then report back?
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| Re: Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists [message #795270 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 15:59 |
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(This is dedicated to those who, like the present administration, are
working so hard to make a glorious and safe future possible)
Someone with a lot of faith says...
> You are assuming that speed is the main cause of road deaths which is
> extremely unlikely. So you don't have any approach to reduce road deaths.
>
> What is being developed and will be on the market in five or so years is car
> to car digital communications. The communications between cars will be
> used to prevent accidents and deaths.
>
> Like commercial aircraft, the drivers will be warned to take evasive action
> an what action should be taken. In extreme cases the electronics in the
> cars will automatically take actions to control the cars to prevent the
> accidents.
>
> Instead of "Its like they don't care..." we have exactly the opposite where
> people care a lot and are putting a lot of money into developing solutions
> industry wide to make driving potentially very safe.
>
> In your ignorance of present activities, you have done nothing while the
> world has many people actually solving the problems.
Well, you ain't seen nothing yet. In the future people will travel
through the telephone lines!!! Imagine all the space left open on our
congested roads. And, of course, then bicycles and scooters will not
only be safe, they'll also be redundant.
Did you see "The Matrix," how the lady disappears right on time to
escape the bad guys through the telephone lines? And all that
technology is being developed at this very minute by a Republican
Administration that knows the future is up in the air. ;)
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| Re: when 70% of drivers are banned from the road [message #795275 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 16:09 |
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On Feb 21, 7:37 am, Bolwerk <bolw... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Martin Edwards wrote:
> > Tom Sherman wrote:
> >> Jack May wrote:
> >>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0... [at] REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:fpiv5h$g12$5 [at] registered.motzarella.org...
> >>>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>>> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoprob... [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:41f30ecb-9b61-46f4-b144-20b20107e322 [at] b29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>> How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists,
> >>>> pedestrians and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped
> >>>> with transponders?
>
> >>> Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most
> >>> people carry a cell phone with them these day with location
> >>> electronics, maybe the law requires a transponder capability like the
> >>> law now require location to be determined by each cell phone for 911
> >>> responses.
>
> >>>> If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that
> >>>> will make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.
>
> >>> We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
> >>> anything with a transponder, including people and pets. The car
> >>> will automatically brake for example to keep from hitting a child
> >>> that runs out into the road. That should not be hard once
> >>> transponders become common.
>
> >>> Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the
> >>> road that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections.
> >>> Zero death is probably impossible even though we are getting near
> >>> that for large passenger jets.
>
> >> All that is needed is adding microphones and cameras to the
> >> transponders - then the government can achieve the long awaited goal
> >> of regulating behavior of people in their homes behind closed doors.
>
> > Scheiss, imagine Jack's tv shouting out, "Mr May, stop that or you will
> > go blind!"
>
> That would only happen during a GM commercial. WTF is this thread doing
> in a transit group anyway? Jack's a troll.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry, but we are trying to develop alternatives (bikes, public
transportation) for the moment when 70% of drivers are banned from the
road...
Driving tests and real-life driving
(...)
Politically, it is unpopular to suggest somebody who is physically
impaired, who is emotionally unbalanced, or who is just plain stupid
should not drive. But the fact is; bad driving causes lethal accidents
and huge traffic jams every day, all across America. Bad driving
wastes millions of gallons of fuel and adds tons of pollutants to our
air.
America's urban freeways are no place for the incompetent, and it is
thousands of times less expensive and more effective to get lousy
drivers off the road than it is to build ever-wider freeways and more
elaborate junctions. A more difficult driving test will accomplish
this. Driving tests can also reinforce common sense, patience, and
respect for others... things which are increasingly rare on American
roads.
Current driving tests measure rudimentary knowledge of the rules of
the road. At some point in a driver's life-usually very early- you
must prove your ability to operate a vehicle under minimally difficult
circumstances. Once licensed, many Americans are not road tested again
for dozens of years. Adding cellular phones, babies, fast food,
gigantic Sport Utility Vehicles, and other distractions on top of a
general increase in traffic and average speeds-only brews more
gridlock and carnage.
(...)
America must not shrink from hard decisions about where, when and who
is fit to drive. We must get the incompetent, the angry, the
thoughtless and the decrepit off the road. At the same time, we must
provide the opportunity to learn driving skills for people who need to
drive and are able to do it well, regardless of income level.
Giving people options
Increased transportation options for people who cannot drive must
coincide with efforts to weed out lousy drivers. Forcing people out of
their cars, with no way to get to work, breeds outlaws and
joblessness. Some ways include:
electric scooter and bicycle programs
bike-trains
high-speed rail
By eliminating the small percentage of drivers who, for whatever
reason, simply cannot cope with modern driving, we can reduce the
estimated 6.6 billion gallons of gasoline wasted by Americans who were
waiting in traffic in 1997, reduce the air pollution associated with
that colossal waste, and reduce the amount of frustration on our roads
in general.
more...
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote44
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