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| Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794697] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 02:19 |
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I am in market for something from what appears to be a competitive
group of smaller wagons, vans or SUVs, whatever they are called.
I need pretty good cargo space and want this under or maybe a just bit
over $20,000. I drive a lot so mpg (both numbers must be over 20) and
overall handling and pickup are considerations.
I just to drive a manual but havent in a while. Would prefer auto at
this stage. I would like to hear any thoughts on stick vs. auto for
any model.
Here are some possibilites, listed in my order of interest (which
changes day to day). A couple of off-beat choices are included and i
would like to hear more. Thanks.
2008 Scion XB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and
has lots of room.
THanks!
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794702 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 03:43 |
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"byrdsfan" <byrdsfan [at] mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:6dd71f42-f731-4af5-b017-90ec8a889370 [at] p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>I am in market for something from what appears to be a competitive
> group of smaller wagons, vans or SUVs, whatever they are called.
>
> I need pretty good cargo space and want this under or maybe a just bit
> over $20,000. I drive a lot so mpg (both numbers must be over 20) and
> overall handling and pickup are considerations.
>
> I just to drive a manual but havent in a while. Would prefer auto at
> this stage. I would like to hear any thoughts on stick vs. auto for
> any model.
>
> Here are some possibilites, listed in my order of interest (which
> changes day to day). A couple of off-beat choices are included and i
> would like to hear more. Thanks.
>
> 2008 Scion XB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
> Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
> Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
> Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
> Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and
> has lots of room.
>
> THanks!
>
You are looking for a crossover, and more specifically, the SX4, made by
Suzuki. If you want, you can even get AWD, and still stay well within your
price range, with an automatic transmission. It will handle like a dream,
and have better performance than all of the vehicles you've considered so
far, while still getting better than 20MPG city. Also note the 64 Cubic
feet of cargo space. If you test-drive one, you will buy it, regardless of
how many other 2008 vehicles you also test-drive. We own the earlier
version of this, they used to call it the Aerio SX. It's basically a subaru
forester, but with more interior room than the forester (having driven both,
the forester feels cramped in comparison) and costs a lot less than a
forester. 150,000 miles and not one penny spent on unscheduled maintenance
so far. -Dave
http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr_08/sx4_crossover/specs_and_pric ing/
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794708 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 04:59 |
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On Feb 17, 9:43=A0pm, "Dave" <no... [at] nohow.not> wrote:
> "byrdsfan" <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote in message
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> news:6dd71f42-f731-4af5-b017-90ec8a889370 [at] p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
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> >I am in market for something from what appears to be a competitive
> > group of smaller wagons, vans or SUVs, whatever they are called.
>
> > I need pretty good cargo space and want this under or maybe a just bit
> > over $20,000. I drive a lot so mpg (both numbers must be over 20) and
> > overall handling and pickup are considerations.
>
> > I just to drive a manual but havent in a while. Would prefer auto at
> > this stage. I would like to hear any thoughts on stick vs. auto for
> > any model.
>
> > Here are some possibilites, listed in my order of interest (which
> > changes day to day). A couple of off-beat choices are included and i
> > would like to hear =A0more. Thanks.
>
> > 2008 Scion XB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
> > Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
> > Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
> > Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
> > Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and
> > has lots of room.
>
> > THanks!
>
> You are looking for a crossover, and more specifically, the SX4, made by
> Suzuki. =A0If you want, you can even get AWD, and still stay well within y=
our
> price range, with an automatic transmission. =A0It will handle like a drea=
m,
> and have better performance than all of the vehicles you've considered so
> far, while still getting better than 20MPG city. =A0Also note the 64 Cubic=
> feet of cargo space. =A0If you test-drive one, you will buy it, regardless=
of
> how many other 2008 vehicles you also test-drive. =A0We own the earlier
> version of this, they used to call it the Aerio SX. =A0It's basically a su=
baru
> forester, but with more interior room than the forester (having driven bot=
h,
> the forester feels cramped in comparison) and costs a lot less than a
> forester. =A0150,000 miles and not one penny spent on unscheduled maintena=
nce
> so far. =A0-Dave
>
> http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr_08/sx4_crossover/specs_and_pric ing/- Hide quo=
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Thanks that looks great. I've been attracted to Suzikis because of
the big "S"
on the front. My last name starts with S. Also the styling is cool on
all their cars.
I'm a little concerned abotu cargo room. with this. It doesnt seem to
have a area beyond the back seats. I was hoping to have pretty good
room with two passengers, one seat down in back. This doesnt seem to
have much in that regard.
But it is probably worth a look.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794709 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 05:10 |
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> http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr_08/sx4_crossover/specs_and_pric ing/- Hide
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Thanks that looks great. I've been attracted to Suzikis because of
the big "S"
on the front. My last name starts with S. Also the styling is cool on
all their cars.
I'm a little concerned abotu cargo room. with this. It doesnt seem to
have a area beyond the back seats. I was hoping to have pretty good
room with two passengers, one seat down in back. This doesnt seem to
have much in that regard.
But it is probably worth a look.
(my reply)
Well there are compromises to make. You can get a larger vehicle with a
larger cargo area and a larger engine. It won't stay above 20MPG city,
though. How often do you think you'll be carrying both two passengers and
significant cargo? You'd be surprised what you can stuff into an SX4 when
you drop the back seats. But then, if you drop both of them, you are
carrying one passenger at most. Something else to consider is that the SX4
comes with very sturdy roof racks standard. If you won't be carrying two
passengers AND significant cargo very often, you could always get a rooftop
cargo carrier for extra cargo. But then your MPG will drop significantly.
Not due to weight so much, but due to air resistance. That's why you
wouldn't want to run it that way very often. :) -Dave
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794714 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 06:58 |
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On Feb 17, 7:19 pm, byrdsfan <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> I am in market for something from what appears to be a competitive
> group of smaller wagons, vans or SUVs, whatever they are called.
>
> I need pretty good cargo space and want this under or maybe a just bit
> over $20,000. I drive a lot so mpg (both numbers must be over 20) and
> overall handling and pickup are considerations.
>
> I just to drive a manual but havent in a while. Would prefer auto at
> this stage. I would like to hear any thoughts on stick vs. auto for
> any model.
>
> Here are some possibilites, listed in my order of interest (which
> changes day to day). A couple of off-beat choices are included and i
> would like to hear more. Thanks.
>
> 2008ScionXB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
> Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
> Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
> Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
> Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and
> has lots of room.
>
> THanks!
I had been researching for quite a while (kept reading stats/reviews
and about new concepts coming) I finally decided on the 2008 XB as the
all around
best vehicle because of price (all inclusive price for excellent
safety/high performance radio, pwr windows/locks) also performance
with the Camry engine
and automatic is amazing. The seats fit all sizes and the interior
cargo space is more than adequate.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794717 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 08:13 |
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794782 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 23:41 |
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On Feb 18, 2:13=A0am, Ashton Crusher <d... [at] moore.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:59:22 -0800 (PST),byrdsfan
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> <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 17, 9:43=A0pm, "Dave" <no... [at] nohow.not> wrote:
> >> "byrdsfan" <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:6dd71f42-f731-4af5-b017-90ec8a889370 [at] p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com..=
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> >> >I am in market for something from what appears to be a competitive
> >> > group of smaller wagons, vans or SUVs, whatever they are called.
>
> >> > I need pretty good cargo space and want this under or maybe a just bi=
t
> >> > over $20,000. I drive a lot so mpg (both numbers must be over 20) and=
> >> > overall handling and pickup are considerations.
>
> >> > I just to drive a manual but havent in a while. Would prefer auto at
> >> > this stage. I would like to hear any thoughts on stick vs. auto for
> >> > any model.
>
> >> > Here are some possibilites, listed in my order of interest (which
> >> > changes day to day). A couple of off-beat choices are included and i
> >> > would like to hear =A0more. Thanks.
>
> >> > 2008 Scion XB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
> >> > Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
> >> > Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
> >> > Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
> >> > Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and
> >> > has lots of room.
>
> >> > THanks!
>
> >> You are looking for a crossover, and more specifically, the SX4, made b=
y
> >> Suzuki. =A0If you want, you can even get AWD, and still stay well withi=
n your
> >> price range, with an automatic transmission. =A0It will handle like a d=
ream,
> >> and have better performance than all of the vehicles you've considered =
so
> >> far, while still getting better than 20MPG city. =A0Also note the 64 Cu=
bic
> >> feet of cargo space. =A0If you test-drive one, you will buy it, regardl=
ess of
> >> how many other 2008 vehicles you also test-drive. =A0We own the earlier=
> >> version of this, they used to call it the Aerio SX. =A0It's basically a=
subaru
> >> forester, but with more interior room than the forester (having driven =
both,
> >> the forester feels cramped in comparison) and costs a lot less than a
> >> forester. =A0150,000 miles and not one penny spent on unscheduled maint=
enance
> >> so far. =A0-Dave
>
> >> http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr_08/sx4_crossover/specs_and_pric ing/-Hide qu=
oted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> >Thanks that looks great. I've been attracted to Suzikis because of
> >the big "S"
> > on the front. My last name starts with S. Also the styling is cool on
> >all their cars.
> >I'm a little concerned abotu cargo room. with this. It doesnt seem to
> >have a area beyond the back seats. I was hoping to have pretty good
> >room with two passengers, one seat down in back. This doesnt seem to
> >have much in that regard.
> >But it is probably worth a look.
>
> You might take a look at the Pontiac Vibe also. =A0It's the same vehicle
> as a Toyota Matrix. =A0I believe they have or shortly will be coming out
> with an all new design for it. =A0It's a relatively small vehicle and
> I['m not sure how it compares sizewize to the Suzuki. =A0My Dad has one
> and gets around 30+ mpg in his around town driving.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Looks very good! Especially the GT version.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794814 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 04:12 |
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On Feb 18, 5:41=A0pm, byrdsfan <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2:13=A0am, Ashton Crusher <d... [at] moore.net> wrote:
>
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>
>
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> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:59:22 -0800 (PST),byrdsfan
>
> > <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> > >On Feb 17, 9:43=A0pm, "Dave" <no... [at] nohow.not> wrote:
> > >> "byrdsfan" <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:6dd71f42-f731-4af5-b017-90ec8a889370 [at] p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com=
....
>
> > >> >I am in market for something from what appears to be a competitive
> > >> > group of smaller wagons, vans or SUVs, whatever they are called.
>
> > >> > I need pretty good cargo space and want this under or maybe a just =
bit
> > >> > over $20,000. I drive a lot so mpg (both numbers must be over 20) a=
nd
> > >> > overall handling and pickup are considerations.
>
> > >> > I just to drive a manual but havent in a while. Would prefer auto a=
t
> > >> > this stage. I would like to hear any thoughts on stick vs. auto for=
> > >> > any model.
>
> > >> > Here are some possibilites, listed in my order of interest (which
> > >> > changes day to day). A couple of off-beat choices are included and =
i
> > >> > would like to hear =A0more. Thanks.
>
> > >> > 2008 Scion XB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
> > >> > Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
> > >> > Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
> > >> > Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
> > >> > Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and=
> > >> > has lots of room.
>
> > >> > THanks!
>
> > >> You are looking for a crossover, and more specifically, the SX4, made=
by
> > >> Suzuki. =A0If you want, you can even get AWD, and still stay well wit=
hin your
> > >> price range, with an automatic transmission. =A0It will handle like a=
dream,
> > >> and have better performance than all of the vehicles you've considere=
d so
> > >> far, while still getting better than 20MPG city. =A0Also note the 64 =
Cubic
> > >> feet of cargo space. =A0If you test-drive one, you will buy it, regar=
dless of
> > >> how many other 2008 vehicles you also test-drive. =A0We own the earli=
er
> > >> version of this, they used to call it the Aerio SX. =A0It's basically=
a subaru
> > >> forester, but with more interior room than the forester (having drive=
n both,
> > >> the forester feels cramped in comparison) and costs a lot less than a=
> > >> forester. =A0150,000 miles and not one penny spent on unscheduled mai=
ntenance
> > >> so far. =A0-Dave
>
> > >> http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr_08/sx4_crossover/specs_and_pric ing/-Hideq=
uoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >Thanks that looks great. I've been attracted to Suzikis because of
> > >the big "S"
> > > on the front. My last name starts with S. Also the styling is cool on
> > >all their cars.
> > >I'm a little concerned abotu cargo room. with this. It doesnt seem to
> > >have a area beyond the back seats. I was hoping to have pretty good
> > >room with two passengers, one seat down in back. This doesnt seem to
> > >have much in that regard.
> > >But it is probably worth a look.
>
> > You might take a look at the Pontiac Vibe also. =A0It's the same vehicle=
> > as a Toyota Matrix. =A0I believe they have or shortly will be coming out=
> > with an all new design for it. =A0It's a relatively small vehicle and
> > I['m not sure how it compares sizewize to the Suzuki. =A0My Dad has one
> > and gets around 30+ mpg in his around town driving.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Looks very good! Especially the GT version.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
A little small it turns out. Cargo room is a concern. the Vibe is
already out as a 2009 model. Looks like a bargain but i have to haul
stuff. it has 50-feet cargo room. the XB has almost 70. Seems like a
big difference.
But i also drive a real lot, so maybe smaller ...
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794847 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 14:18 |
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On Feb 17, 8:19 pm, byrdsfan <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> I am in market for something from what appears to be a competitive
> group of smaller wagons, vans or SUVs, whatever they are called.
>
> I need pretty good cargo space and want this under or maybe a just bit
> over $20,000. I drive a lot so mpg (both numbers must be over 20) and
> overall handling and pickup are considerations.
>
> I just to drive a manual but havent in a while. Would prefer auto at
> this stage. I would like to hear any thoughts on stick vs. auto for
> any model.
>
> Here are some possibilites, listed in my order of interest (which
> changes day to day). A couple of off-beat choices are included and i
> would like to hear more. Thanks.
>
> 2008 Scion XB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
> Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
> Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
> Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
> Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and
> has lots of room.
>
> THanks!
I'd suggest driving a VW Rabbit (gas & TDI) & a Honda Civic hatchback
before making any purchases. Also, don't let the cargo room numbers
you read on the web sell you or turn you off from any particular
vehicle. The way the vehicle is designed is often more important than
overall available room. I had an 86 Golf 2 door that had a TON of
usable cargo space, aided by good designing including but not at all
limited to a big hatch.
Oh, and 5-speed. All day long. Not even a question.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794865 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 16:09 |
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> I'd suggest driving a VW Rabbit (gas & TDI) & a Honda Civic hatchback
> before making any purchases. Also, don't let the cargo room numbers
> you read on the web sell you or turn you off from any particular
> vehicle. The way the vehicle is designed is often more important than
> overall available room. I had an 86 Golf 2 door that had a TON of
> usable cargo space, aided by good designing including but not at all
> limited to a big hatch.
>
> Oh, and 5-speed. All day long. Not even a question.
I used to feel that way also. Now I drive automatic. You outgrow that
manual tranny thing quick when you spend a lot of time stuck in stop-and-go
traffic. -Dave
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794868 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 16:40 |
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On Feb 19, 10:09=A0am, "Dave" <no... [at] nohow.not> wrote:
> > I'd suggest driving a VW Rabbit (gas & TDI) & a Honda Civic hatchback
> > before making any purchases. =A0Also, don't let the cargo room numbers
> > you read on the web sell you or turn you off from any particular
> > vehicle. =A0The way the vehicle is designed is often more important than=
> > overall available room. =A0I had an 86 Golf 2 door that had a TON of
> > usable cargo space, aided by good designing including but not at all
> > limited to a big hatch.
>
> > Oh, and 5-speed. =A0All day long. =A0Not even a question.
>
> I used to feel that way also. =A0Now I drive automatic. =A0You outgrow tha=
t
> manual tranny thing quick when you spend a lot of time stuck in stop-and-g=
o
> traffic. =A0-Dave
My dad says the same thing. For me, even in stop and go, I'll take
the stick. I don't mind it in stop and go, and love it in any other
traffic condition.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794873 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 17:06 |
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How much does your cargo *weigh*?
Just a lot of aggregate bulk, or individual large pieces? In the
latter case, especially, there is no substitute for crawling around in
the actual vehicles with a tape measure and making sure there are no
obscure little show stoppers.
Do you have a place to store a small trailer, and would that help?
(Insofar as vehicles that meet your other requirements are even
capable of this.) How about one of those clams for the roof rack?
(The penalty for the latter depends on how often you do this, and for
how many miles at a crack, and whether city or highway.)
Some anecdotes: My sister and her husband are very happy with their
2005 Suzuki wagon. A co-worker bought that boxy Scion because it
juuuust can swallow his bicycles without tearing them down, and gets
better mileage than SUV's. The Chevy HHR that I rented not long
ago seemed pleasing enough in a lot of ways (and I thought its
performance acceptable) but oh, those windshield pillars -- not sure I
could ever get used to searching for pedestrians, bicyclists, and any
747s that might be making an emergency landing in the next lane; it's
like playing peekaboo behind a telephone pole. See if the Subaru
Forester (the taller version of the Outback) meets your space needs
and gets over your gas-mileage bar; I know several people who are
pleased with their Outbacks and wouldn't mind having one, myself.
A bit of outside-the-box thinking: Is what you really need *two*
vehicles -- a nice used minivan for those cargo-hauling moments and a
small, good performing, high-mileage car as your daily? Or do you
have to be capable of hauling the stuff often and on short notice? If
the need is truly occasional, consider renting the cargo machine as
needed instead of buying one.
Best of luck,
--Joe
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #794875 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 17:28 |
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On Feb 19, 8:18 am, "DanK... [at] gmail.com" <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 8:19 pm,byrdsfan<byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am in market for something from what appears to be a competitive
> > group of smaller wagons, vans or SUVs, whatever they are called.
>
> > I need pretty good cargo space and want this under or maybe a just bit
> > over $20,000. I drive a lot so mpg (both numbers must be over 20) and
> > overall handling and pickup are considerations.
>
> > I just to drive a manual but havent in a while. Would prefer auto at
> > this stage. I would like to hear any thoughts on stick vs. auto for
> > any model.
>
> > Here are some possibilites, listed in my order of interest (which
> > changes day to day). A couple of off-beat choices are included and i
> > would like to hear more. Thanks.
>
> > 2008 Scion XB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
> > Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
> > Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
> > Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
> > Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and
> > has lots of room.
>
> > THanks!
>
> I'd suggest driving a VW Rabbit (gas & TDI) & a Honda Civic hatchback
> before making any purchases. Also, don't let the cargo room numbers
> you read on the web sell you or turn you off from any particular
> vehicle. The way the vehicle is designed is often more important than
> overall available room. I had an 86 Golf 2 door that had a TON of
> usable cargo space, aided by good designing including but not at all
> limited to a big hatch.
>
> Oh, and 5-speed. All day long. Not even a question.
I drive back and forth across Manhattan five days a week and then
begin a 50 mile drive. Actually the manual can help you beat out cabs
and such but waiting 30 minutes at the tunnel can be a huge pain with
it. I had two Corollas in a row, that was about 15 years of shifting,
getting stuck without a clutch, adjustments, replacements. At least
with an auto, you know when the tranny goes it's time to get a new car.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795187 ] |
Thu, 21 February 2008 01:19 |
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In article <6dd71f42-f731-4af5-b017-90ec8a889370 [at] p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
byrdsfan <byrdsfan [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
>2008 Scion XB. Very interested in auto vs. stick on this.
>Chevy HHR. Nice looking but people rip its performance.
>Mazda3 five-door (too small but i am considering it)
>Kia Rondo (more minivan and not sporty but seems a bargain).
>Honda Element. Too much of a SUV, mpg low but it seems wel made and
>has lots of room.
Another idea: Mazda 5. Basically a small van version of the Mazda 3
if you need more cargo room.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795388 ] |
Fri, 22 February 2008 02:32 |
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This is fun!
Since i started this, my Saturn LS with 260,000 has actively started
givig up the ghost by trying to overheat in Manhattan, which is never
fun.
Ive demoted it to station car status and Im taking the train to work,
something i should have done a long time and now plan to do no matter
what car i get (at least a good portion of the time)/
In pictures, the Mazda5 is way too minivan looking.
I had been leaning back to the Mazda3, thinking a roof rack might help
out in emergencies but one of the few complaints ive seen about it is
it's a tight fit for a big driver. Im six feet and on the XXL side.
Also one for someone my size i have short legs and a long torso. That
makes headroom a big concern. some cars i just can fit in the driver's
seat.
The Mazda3 though seems to be my wife's choice. I dont think she
appreciates the so--ugly-it's cool factor of the XB.
I was also thinking back to the Suzuki until i read it has an 11-
gallon gas tank. Yeow! My saturn is 13 and it stops at efvery station.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795410 ] |
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795429 ] |
Fri, 22 February 2008 04:06 |
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In article
<877dd3a9-8e69-4497-add6-4d39165a8182 [at] q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
byrdsfan <byrdsfan [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> This is fun!
> Since i started this, my Saturn LS with 260,000 has actively started
> givig up the ghost by trying to overheat in Manhattan, which is never
> fun.
This might be something as simple as a head gasket leak. You
might be able to spend a few hundred dollars on it and get
another 100K out of the car. 260K is just fully getting broken
in these days as long as you changed the oil regularly.
-john-
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795487 ] |
Fri, 22 February 2008 15:15 |
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On Feb 21, 10:06 pm, "John A. Weeks III" <j... [at] johnweeks.com> wrote:
> In article
> <877dd3a9-8e69-4497-add6-4d39165a8... [at] q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> byrdsfan<byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> > This is fun!
> > Since i started this, my Saturn LS with 260,000 has actively started
> > givig up the ghost by trying to overheat in Manhattan, which is never
> > fun.
>
> This might be something as simple as a head gasket leak. You
> might be able to spend a few hundred dollars on it and get
> another 100K out of the car. 260K is just fully getting broken
> in these days as long as you changed the oil regularly.
>
> -john-
>
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> Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
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Not sure what is but it is complicated. i'll mention it here anyway.
The service engine light goes on intermittingly, and when it does, the
(auto) transmission starts to buck. The problem however does nto seem
related to the tranny. It might have something to do with the air
intake. Someone mentioned that when i posted the problem elsewhere.
When the car started to overheat he other day, it was more like a
burning small, complete with smoke, not steam.
A friend has the same car, same problem and could not it diagnosed at
the dealer. but the guy on net said the car goes into "limp home" mode
when it senses it is not getting enough air. My friend's car, not
mine, also gets a reduce power message.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795508 ] |
Fri, 22 February 2008 18:04 |
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In article
<a30fc3a6-42db-4e36-9d64-c70c4ac39c66 [at] k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
wmsweeney [at] gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 21, 10:06 pm, "John A. Weeks III" <j... [at] johnweeks.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <877dd3a9-8e69-4497-add6-4d39165a8... [at] q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > byrdsfan<byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> > > This is fun!
> > > Since i started this, my Saturn LS with 260,000 has actively started
> > > givig up the ghost by trying to overheat in Manhattan, which is never
> > > fun.
> >
> > This might be something as simple as a head gasket leak. You
> > might be able to spend a few hundred dollars on it and get
> > another 100K out of the car. 260K is just fully getting broken
> > in these days as long as you changed the oil regularly.
> Not sure what is but it is complicated. i'll mention it here anyway.
> The service engine light goes on intermittingly, and when it does, the
> (auto) transmission starts to buck. The problem however does nto seem
> related to the tranny. It might have something to do with the air
> intake. Someone mentioned that when i posted the problem elsewhere.
> When the car started to overheat he other day, it was more like a
> burning small, complete with smoke, not steam.
> A friend has the same car, same problem and could not it diagnosed at
> the dealer. but the guy on net said the car goes into "limp home" mode
> when it senses it is not getting enough air. My friend's car, not
> mine, also gets a reduce power message.
This could still be consistent with a bad head gasket. Your
tranny most likely needs a vacuum line to operate. With a
bad head gasket, you are getting pressure from the cylinders
blown into areas like your oil lines and air intake. This
messes up the ability of the car to create a vacuum, so the
car runs poorly. What I suggest it that the car may still be
worth the diagnostics to find out what is wrong and how much
the total bill would be.
-john-
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795817 ] |
Mon, 25 February 2008 03:08 |
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Thanks.
It's in the hands of Saturn now. Should know tomorrow.
My new motto is when your mechanic says it's time to get a new car,
it's time to get a new mechanic!
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795933 ] |
Tue, 26 February 2008 00:27 |
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On Feb 25, 12:08=A0am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:08:35 -0800 (PST),byrdsfan
>
> <byrds... [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> >Thanks.
> >It's in the hands of Saturn now. Should know tomorrow.
> >My new motto is when your mechanic says it's time to get a new car,
>
> ...he works for a new car dealership. :)
> --
> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
> DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com"
It was some kind of pressure thing related to the tranny. Between
that, tranny service (for something else), water pump and radiator,
two grand. Im doing it.
He said the car is in good shape otherwise.
This was a Saturn dealer. My local guy will never talk to me again.
Thanks for helping.
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #795940 ] |
Tue, 26 February 2008 02:03 |
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In article
<6b7f5faf-80c8-48d9-9637-60334dab1518 [at] p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
byrdsfan <byrdsfan [at] mailandnews.com> wrote:
> It was some kind of pressure thing related to the tranny. Between
> that, tranny service (for something else), water pump and radiator,
> two grand. Im doing it.
> He said the car is in good shape otherwise.
> This was a Saturn dealer. My local guy will never talk to me again.
> Thanks for helping.
Two grand is hard to take all in one sitting. But look at it
this way...everything in the past is a "sunk cost" and doesn't
mean anything because you cannot go back and change it. So, in
a business deal like this, you can only look at the future. In
this case, that future is this...would you pay $2000 to buy this
Saturn as-is once all that work get done? If the answer is yes,
then you do the work, pay the money, and enjoy the car. I had
a similar question like that on my Ranger a year back. I am
glad that I put the money in. I have driven over 50,000 miles
on that truck since then, which would have a new car half used
up already. I think it was a good deal.
-john-
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| Re: Thoughts on small wagon/suv (2008 Scion XB) types [message #796045 ] |
Wed, 27 February 2008 02:13 |
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I though exactly the same thing.
I would rather have this car than anything used i nthat price range.
As far as new, i was weighing smaller and cheaper against bigger and
more expesive in price and gas. And i shuddered remembering making
those payments. The Saturn was expensive (to me) and i wanted to go
lower this time but even cheaper cars that start at $15,000-$16,000
are way over $20,000 out the door. Some dont have AC and a lot of
safety equipment standard.
Just last week i was going 85 on a winding road. I wouldnt even have
realized it except the sound of the air on the windows (that was never
a good aspect of this car).
I think will try to baby it a little though. I think i forgot how to
read when i stopped taking the train and it feels good to start that
up again.
Maybe a couple of days a week at least, then it's back to 85!
Thanks for help here.
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