|
General » rec.autos.driving » Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race
| Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794621] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 03:37 |
|
And the idiot spectators were standing in the road!!!
http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15319020/detail.html
UPDATED: 10:27 am HST February 16, 2008
ACCOKEEK, Md. -- Police in Maryland said an uninvolved driver blinded by
exhaust smoke kicked up in an early-morning street race plowed into a
crowd of onlookers, killing eight and injuring six.
The deadly wreck happened about 3:40 a.m. Saturday on State Route 210 in
Accokeek, reported WRC-TV in Washington, D.C. Veteran officers called it
the "worst incident" they have ever seen.
Witnesses said two cars involved in an illegal street race had been
revving engines and kicking up smoke, filling the roadway with white
clouds. A group of onlookers then moved into the road to watch the race
when a white Ford Crown Victoria slammed into the crowd.
The driver told police that he was blinded by white smoke and could not
see the people before striking them. Officers said the driver was not
involved in the illegal race.
A tractor-trailer truck that came by shortly afterward may also have
struck someone on the roadside as it tried to avoid the crash scene,
about 20 miles south of Washington, said Prince George's County Police
Cpl. Clinton Copeland.
Residents along the stretch of high way about 20 miles south of
Washington, D.C., and 55 miles from Baltimore said street racing has long
been a problem. The stretch of State Route 210 is relatively straight,
with stoplights every 150 to 200 yards and little traffic at night.
Neighbors said they saw more than 200 cars parked in a lot near the crash
scene late Friday, and suspected a race was going to happen. They said
police have not responded to their complaints about street racing.
(snip)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794624 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 03:42 |
|
On Feb 16, 6:37=A0pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> And the idiot spectators were standing in the road!!!
>
> http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15319020/detail.html
>
> UPDATED: 10:27 am HST February 16, 2008
>
> ACCOKEEK, Md. -- Police in Maryland said an uninvolved driver blinded by
> exhaust smoke kicked up in an early-morning street race plowed into a
> crowd of onlookers, killing eight and injuring six.
>
> The deadly wreck happened about 3:40 a.m. Saturday on State Route 210 in
> Accokeek, reported WRC-TV in Washington, D.C. Veteran officers called it
> the "worst incident" they have ever seen.
>
> Witnesses said two cars involved in an illegal street race had been
> revving engines and kicking up smoke, filling the roadway with white
> clouds. A group of onlookers then moved into the road to watch the race
> when a white Ford Crown Victoria slammed into the crowd.
>
> The driver told police that he was blinded by white smoke and could not
> see the people before striking them. Officers said the driver was not
> involved in the illegal race.
>
> A tractor-trailer truck that came by shortly afterward may also have
> struck someone on the roadside as it tried to avoid the crash scene,
> about 20 miles south of Washington, said Prince George's County Police
> Cpl. Clinton Copeland.
>
> Residents along the stretch of high way about 20 miles south of
> Washington, D.C., and 55 miles from Baltimore said street racing has long
> been a problem. The stretch of State Route 210 is relatively straight,
> with stoplights every 150 to 200 yards and little traffic at night.
>
> Neighbors said they saw more than 200 cars parked in a lot near the crash
> scene late Friday, and suspected a race was going to happen. They said
> police have not responded to their complaints about street racing.
>
> (snip)
At least the dead weren't innocent victims. They were spectators at
an illegal event.
Harry K
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794630 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 04:33 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794633 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 04:52 |
|
On Feb 16, 8:42=A0pm, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 16, 6:37=A0pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
>
>
>
>
> <xeton2... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > And the idiot spectators were standing in the road!!!
>
> >http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15319020/detail.html
>
> > UPDATED: 10:27 am HST February 16, 2008
>
> > ACCOKEEK, Md. -- Police in Maryland said an uninvolved driver blinded by=
> > exhaust smoke kicked up in an early-morning street race plowed into a
> > crowd of onlookers, killing eight and injuring six.
>
> > The deadly wreck happened about 3:40 a.m. Saturday on State Route 210 in=
> > Accokeek, reported WRC-TV in Washington, D.C. Veteran officers called it=
> > the "worst incident" they have ever seen.
>
> > Witnesses said two cars involved in an illegal street race had been
> > revving engines and kicking up smoke, filling the roadway with white
> > clouds. A group of onlookers then moved into the road to watch the race
> > when a white Ford Crown Victoria slammed into the crowd.
>
> > The driver told police that he was blinded by white smoke and could not
> > see the people before striking them. Officers said the driver was not
> > involved in the illegal race.
>
> > A tractor-trailer truck that came by shortly afterward may also have
> > struck someone on the roadside as it tried to avoid the crash scene,
> > about 20 miles south of Washington, said Prince George's County Police
> > Cpl. Clinton Copeland.
>
> > Residents along the stretch of high way about 20 miles south of
> > Washington, D.C., and 55 miles from Baltimore said street racing has lon=
g
> > been a problem. The stretch of State Route 210 is relatively straight,
> > with stoplights every 150 to 200 yards and little traffic at night.
>
> > Neighbors said they saw more than 200 cars parked in a lot near the cras=
h
> > scene late Friday, and suspected a race was going to happen. They said
> > police have not responded to their complaints about street racing.
>
> > (snip)
>
> At least the dead weren't innocent victims. =A0They were spectators at
> an illegal event.
>
> Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
and they were so stupid as to be standing in the middle of a road with
a 55 mph speed limit.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794635 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 05:15 |
|
SFB spewed:
> And the idiot spectators were standing in the road!!!
So that means that the most Righteous Mr. Darwin Bagged another from
this race since your lst spew on the subject.
> http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15319020/detail.html
As before, don't let our indifference to the deaths of these fine
upstanding american (sic) citizens dissuade you in any way from
continuing your Ko0k crusade to find someone who cares.
--
Sincerely,
The New World Order
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794640 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 08:44 |
|
On Feb 16, 8:33 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:37:33 -0000, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>
>
>
> MURDERERS" <xeton2... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >And the idiot spectators were standing in the road!!!
>
> >http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15319020/detail.html
>
> >UPDATED: 10:27 am HST February 16, 2008
>
> >ACCOKEEK, Md. -- Police in Maryland said an uninvolved driver blinded by
> >exhaust smoke kicked up in an early-morning street race plowed into a
> >crowd of onlookers, killing eight and injuring six.
>
> >The deadly wreck happened about 3:40 a.m. Saturday on State Route 210 in
> >Accokeek, reported WRC-TV in Washington, D.C. Veteran officers called it
> >the "worst incident" they have ever seen.
>
> >Witnesses said two cars involved in an illegal street race had been
> >revving engines and kicking up smoke, filling the roadway with white
> >clouds. A group of onlookers then moved into the road to watch the race
> >when a white Ford Crown Victoria slammed into the crowd.
>
> >A tractor-trailer truck that came by shortly afterward may also have
> >struck someone on the roadside as it tried to avoid the crash scene,
> >about 20 miles south of Washington, said Prince George's County Police
> >Cpl. Clinton Copeland.
>
> Crown Vic == a geezer's car. It's certainly no surprise that a
> doddering old fool would drive right into a cloud of blinding smoke
> instead of safely stopping before he even got to it. As for the
> Trucker, obviously another Egregia Cum Laude graduate of the GPSTroll
> School of Incompetent Fucks.
They didn't know how bad the smoke was till they got into it. Most of
the fault is with the criminal street racers and the idiot spectators
in the road.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794650 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 16:31 |
|
Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in the
race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did nothing
wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one enters a
foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just slam
your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say they
carelessly caused this to happen
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794651 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 16:53 |
|
On Feb 16, 7:33=A0pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:37:33 -0000, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>
>
>
>
>
> MURDERERS" <xeton2... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >And the idiot spectators were standing in the road!!!
>
> >http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15319020/detail.html
>
> >UPDATED: 10:27 am HST February 16, 2008
>
> >ACCOKEEK, Md. -- Police in Maryland said an uninvolved driver blinded by
> >exhaust smoke kicked up in an early-morning street race plowed into a
> >crowd of onlookers, killing eight and injuring six.
>
> >The deadly wreck happened about 3:40 a.m. Saturday on State Route 210 in
> >Accokeek, reported WRC-TV in Washington, D.C. Veteran officers called it
> >the "worst incident" they have ever seen.
>
> >Witnesses said two cars involved in an illegal street race had been
> >revving engines and kicking up smoke, filling the roadway with white
> >clouds. A group of onlookers then moved into the road to watch the race
> >when a white Ford Crown Victoria slammed into the crowd.
>
> >A tractor-trailer truck that came by shortly afterward may also have
> >struck someone on the roadside as it tried to avoid the crash scene,
> >about 20 miles south of Washington, said Prince George's County Police
> >Cpl. Clinton Copeland.
>
> Crown Vic =3D=3D a geezer's car. It's certainly no surprise that a
> doddering old fool would drive right into a cloud of blinding smoke
> instead of safely stopping before he even got to it. As for the
> Trucker, obviously another Egregia Cum Laude graduate of the GPSTroll
> School of Incompetent Fucks.
> --
> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
> DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Making a wild leap of assumption there aren't you? There is nothing
in the report except the car to say how old the driver was. I have
seen a lot of people driving Crown Vics that aren't 'doddering old
fools". Of course the driver _was_ stupid for charging into the
smoke.
Harry K
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794653 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 16:55 |
|
On Feb 17, 7:31=A0am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
> Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in the
> race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did nothing
> wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one enters a
> foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just slam
> your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say they
> carelessly caused this to happen
!!?? Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility before
deciding to slow down? If so, maybe you should shift your gaze a few
yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
Harry K
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794655 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 17:06 |
|
"Harry K" <turnkey4099 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6f7f36c3-ffa3-494b-b6bc-7bea415dd15f [at] i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 17, 7:31 am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
> Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in the
> race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did nothing
> wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one enters a
> foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just slam
> your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say they
> carelessly caused this to happen
!!?? Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility before
deciding to slow down? If so, maybe you should shift your gaze a few
yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
Harry K
----------------------------
Uhhhhhh....it was DARK. Black smoke, in the dark. Even the
semi-truck driver who came upon the scene next, had poor
visibility.
But that's OK, Harry K. It's your turn to stand in the middle of
a dark highway tonight, and lecture drivers.
Kris
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794657 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 17:59 |
|
On Feb 17, 8:06=A0am, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... [at] prodigy.net> wrote:
> "Harry K" <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6f7f36c3-ffa3-494b-b6bc-7bea415dd15f [at] i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 17, 7:31 am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in the
> > race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did nothing
> > wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one enters a
> > foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just slam
> > your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say they
> > carelessly caused this to happen
>
> !!?? =A0Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility before
> deciding to slow down? =A0If so, maybe you should shift your gaze a few
> yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
>
> Harry K
>
> ----------------------------
>
> Uhhhhhh....it was DARK. =A0 =A0Black smoke, in the dark. =A0Even the
> semi-truck driver who came upon the scene next, had poor
> visibility.
>
> But that's OK, Harry K. =A0 It's your turn to stand in the middle of
> a dark highway tonight, and lecture drivers.
>
> Kris
What happened to the concept of "overdriving your headlights' If they
couldn't see that wall of darkness approaching in time to slow
down...but I guess that would be beyond your comprehension.
Harry K
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794660 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 18:46 |
|
On Feb 17, 10:59=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 8:06=A0am, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... [at] prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Harry K" <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:6f7f36c3-ffa3-494b-b6bc-7bea415dd15f [at] i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...=
> > On Feb 17, 7:31 am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in the
> > > race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did nothing
> > > wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one enters a
> > > foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just slam
> > > your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say they
> > > carelessly caused this to happen
>
> > !!?? =A0Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility before
> > deciding to slow down? =A0If so, maybe you should shift your gaze a few
> > yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
>
> > Harry K
>
> > ----------------------------
>
> > Uhhhhhh....it was DARK. =A0 =A0Black smoke, in the dark. =A0Even the
> > semi-truck driver who came upon the scene next, had poor
> > visibility.
>
> > But that's OK, Harry K. =A0 It's your turn to stand in the middle of
> > a dark highway tonight, and lecture drivers.
>
> > Kris
>
> What happened to the concept of "overdriving your headlights' =A0If they
> couldn't see that wall of darkness approaching in time to slow
> down...but I guess that would be beyond your comprehension.
>
> Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Has it occurred to you that the driver who hit these people was not
overdriving his/her headlights, but when these idiots walked out onto
the road, it was too late for the driver to stop? All of the articles
I have read say that they stepped out onto the road after the drag
racers passed. If the driver was not so far back, he/she would not
have had time to stop. Do you expect someone driving an a 55 mph road
to drive more slowly just in case someone steps out in front of them?
This is not a side-street, where you have to watch for kids that might
run out. It is a road with a high speed limit, and anyone who walks
out into the middle of it so that they can gawk at drag racers is a
idiot. Whatever happened to the concept of holding people responsible
for bad things that happened to them as a result of their own stupid,
and illegal behaviour? I have compassion, but having compassion for
people who did something really stupid that injured or killed them
does not mean you overlook their role in the accident and put the
blame on someone who happened to be driving down that road at that
time.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794662 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 19:03 |
|
On Feb 17, 10:55=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> !!?? =A0Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility before
> deciding to slow down? =A0If so, maybe you should shift your gaze a few
> yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
Once you realize you are in or approaching reduced visibilty you
slow down yes..Coming along at 55 MPH on a darkened road and you
suddenly start hitting a foggy area you don`t just lock your brakes
up..I`m sure by the time this person saw the sudden fog/smoke in the
roadway and reached for the brakes to slow they were already on top of
the people..It`s not normal to expect anything to be stopped dead in
the middle of a highway so while one may slow somewhat to see beyond
the scope of your headlights you don`t creep along at 20 MPH either
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794667 ] |
Sun, 17 February 2008 19:52 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794692 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 01:47 |
|
On Feb 16, 10:15=A0pm, necromancer <o.20.t... [at] spamgourmet.com> wrote:
> SFB spewed:
>
> > And the idiot spectators were standing in the road!!!
>
> So that means that the most Righteous Mr. Darwin Bagged another from
> this race since your lst spew on the subject.
>
> >http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15319020/detail.html
>
> As before, don't let our indifference to the deaths of these fine
> upstanding american (sic) citizens dissuade you in any way from
> continuing your Ko0k crusade to find someone who cares.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> The New World Order
No doubt...but factor in these.
Illegal street racers spewing smoke in the air at night.
Onlookers illegally gathering for the event, then going into a public
road.
Crown Vic driver and trucker (of GPSTroll Award contention) apparently
driving too fast for conditions...or lacking situational awareness.
None of the names should be changed, because in this incident *no one*
was innocent (any comment resemblance to the usual from Aunt Judy is
purely coincidental). We could take Aunt Judy's argument further by
recommending that all those on the scene who survived be
incarcerated...including the police department for failing to thwart
the incident.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794703 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 03:54 |
|
On Feb 17, 9:46=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 10:59=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 8:06=A0am, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... [at] prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Harry K" <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:6f7f36c3-ffa3-494b-b6bc-7bea415dd15f [at] i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com.=
...
> > > On Feb 17, 7:31 am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in the
> > > > race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did nothing
> > > > wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one enters a=
> > > > foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just sla=
m
> > > > your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say they=
> > > > carelessly caused this to happen
>
> > > !!?? =A0Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility before=
> > > deciding to slow down? =A0If so, maybe you should shift your gaze a fe=
w
> > > yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
>
> > > Harry K
>
> > > ----------------------------
>
> > > Uhhhhhh....it was DARK. =A0 =A0Black smoke, in the dark. =A0Even the
> > > semi-truck driver who came upon the scene next, had poor
> > > visibility.
>
> > > But that's OK, Harry K. =A0 It's your turn to stand in the middle of
> > > a dark highway tonight, and lecture drivers.
>
> > > Kris
>
> > What happened to the concept of "overdriving your headlights' =A0If they=
> > couldn't see that wall of darkness approaching in time to slow
> > down...but I guess that would be beyond your comprehension.
>
> > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Has it occurred to you that the driver who hit these people was not
> overdriving his/her headlights, but when these idiots walked out onto
> the road, it was too late for the driver to stop? =A0All of the articles
> I have read say that they stepped out onto the road after the drag
> racers passed. =A0If the driver was not so far back, he/she would not
> have had time to stop. =A0Do you expect someone driving an a 55 mph road
> to drive more slowly just in case someone steps out in front of them?
> This is not a side-street, where you have to watch for kids that might
> run out. =A0It is a road with a high speed limit, and anyone who walks
> out into the middle of it so that they can gawk at drag racers is a
> idiot. =A0Whatever happened to the concept of holding people responsible
> for bad things that happened to them as a result of their own stupid,
> and illegal behaviour? =A0I have compassion, but having compassion for
> people who did something really stupid that injured or killed them
> does not mean you overlook their role in the accident and put the
> blame on someone who happened to be driving down that road at that
> time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well it did occur to me to read the article posted here that makes it
plain that your assumptions are unwarranted.
"Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark road to watch the cars drive
away when a white Ford Crwown vic unexpectedly......and smashed into
them"
So, no, they didn't wander our into the street unexpectedly.
Then I read the article in my local paper that shows tht the driver
was overdriving his headlights -
"About 50 pople people were watching the race, Gabons said, and she
saw the Crown Vic approach without its lights on...."
So if no lights =3D overdriving them then yes he/she was. The fact that
the driver was on the road with no lights indicates to me that there
was light of some kind, street lights?
I think Scott has it right - geezer driving.
The accident happened at 3:40 am which may already be lightening up
there. Not sure of the local conditions. My paper also said
"scattering bodies in the early morning darkness..." and "The
combination of the dark _morning_ and the smoke likely meant the
unsuspecting driver could not see the crowd..."
Now you can theorize, speculate, argue, all you want but the bottom
line is "you run into somehing - you screwed up". Of course there is
the 'sudden rock falling off cliff' and the like that cannot be
avoided but running into somethign already on the road? Running into
poor visibility without slowing first? That, added to the routine
tailgating, is the prime cause of the multi car pileups.
Harry K
Harry K
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794720 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 12:29 |
|
On Feb 17, 8:54=A0pm, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 9:46=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 10:59=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 8:06=A0am, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... [at] prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "Harry K" <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:6f7f36c3-ffa3-494b-b6bc-7bea415dd15f [at] i12g2000prf.googlegroups.co=
m...
> > > > On Feb 17, 7:31 am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in the
> > > > > race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did nothin=
g
> > > > > wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one enters=
a
> > > > > foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just s=
lam
> > > > > your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say th=
ey
> > > > > carelessly caused this to happen
>
> > > > !!?? =A0Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility befo=
re
> > > > deciding to slow down? =A0If so, maybe you should shift your gaze a =
few
> > > > yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
>
> > > > Harry K
>
> > > > ----------------------------
>
> > > > Uhhhhhh....it was DARK. =A0 =A0Black smoke, in the dark. =A0Even the=
> > > > semi-truck driver who came upon the scene next, had poor
> > > > visibility.
>
> > > > But that's OK, Harry K. =A0 It's your turn to stand in the middle of=
> > > > a dark highway tonight, and lecture drivers.
>
> > > > Kris
>
> > > What happened to the concept of "overdriving your headlights' =A0If th=
ey
> > > couldn't see that wall of darkness approaching in time to slow
> > > down...but I guess that would be beyond your comprehension.
>
> > > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Has it occurred to you that the driver who hit these people was not
> > overdriving his/her headlights, but when these idiots walked out onto
> > the road, it was too late for the driver to stop? =A0All of the articles=
> > I have read say that they stepped out onto the road after the drag
> > racers passed. =A0If the driver was not so far back, he/she would not
> > have had time to stop. =A0Do you expect someone driving an a 55 mph road=
> > to drive more slowly just in case someone steps out in front of them?
> > This is not a side-street, where you have to watch for kids that might
> > run out. =A0It is a road with a high speed limit, and anyone who walks
> > out into the middle of it so that they can gawk at drag racers is a
> > idiot. =A0Whatever happened to the concept of holding people responsible=
> > for bad things that happened to them as a result of their own stupid,
> > and illegal behaviour? =A0I have compassion, but having compassion for
> > people who did something really stupid that injured or killed them
> > does not mean you overlook their role in the accident and put the
> > blame on someone who happened to be driving down that road at that
> > time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> =A0Well it did occur to me to read the article posted here that makes it
> plain that your assumptions are unwarranted.
>
> "Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark road to watch the cars drive
> away when a white Ford Crwown vic unexpectedly......and smashed into
> them"
>
> So, no, they didn't wander our into the street unexpectedly.
>
> Then I read the article in my local paper that shows tht the driver
> was overdriving his headlights -
>
> "About 50 pople people were watching the race, Gabons said, and she
> saw the Crown Vic approach without its lights on...."
>
> So if no lights =3D overdriving them then yes he/she was. =A0The fact that=
> the driver was on the road with no lights indicates to me that there
> was light of some kind, street lights?
>
> I think Scott has it right - geezer driving.
>
> The accident happened at 3:40 am which may already be lightening up
> there. =A0Not sure of the local conditions. =A0My paper also said
> "scattering bodies in the early morning darkness..." and "The
> combination of the dark _morning_ =A0and the smoke likely meant the
> unsuspecting driver could not see the crowd..."
>
> Now you can theorize, speculate, argue, all you want but the bottom
> line is "you run into somehing - you screwed up". =A0Of course there is
> the 'sudden rock falling off cliff' and the like that cannot be
> avoided but running into somethign already on the road? =A0Running into
> poor visibility without slowing first? =A0That, added to the routine
> tailgating, is the prime cause of the multi car pileups.
>
> Harry K
>
> Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
To me, a group of people walking into a street with high speed limit
is similar to a rock suddenly falling off a cliff. There are some
things that you just don't expect, and can't avoid. Also, it seems
that only that one woman claimed that the driver did not have his/her
lights on. If I recall correctly, she is the one who was out in the
middle of the street with her kid, and had to pull the kid out of the
street. Her dad had a broken leg and could not get off the street
quickly enough and was killed. Given that no one else has said that
the driver did not have his lights on, and that she was engaging in
really stupid behaviour, with her child present, I don't really trust
this woman's statement. Also, if she was watching the drag racers,
her back would have been to the car that hit them, so of course she
would not have seen the lights. I believe in "guilty until proven
innocent." We already know that this group of people was doing
something both illegal and stupid. There is so far no evidence that
the driver who hit them was guilty of anything more than being in the
wrong place at the wrong time. Really, who would, while driving on a
road at 55mph, consider it a possibility that you will come upon a
group of people standing in the middle of the road. I think it is way
too easy for some people to make judgements about this driver's
behaviour, and place little blame on these idiots who were in fact out
in the middle of the night, watching an illegal activity, and standing
in the middle of the road. Finally, you are a fine one to talk about
someone else speculating. You have assumed that the driver is totally
at fault here - no blame on these idiots at all. The bottom line that
you state, "you hit something, you screwed up" is not a hard and fast
rule. If you are out driving, and something darts out in front of
you, or a rock falls off a cliff, and you hit it, how did you screw
up? Are you supposed to always drive really slowly, just to avoid
that situation? So if the speed limit is 55, are you supposed to drive
15, just so that you can stop sooner? Aren't you then being a hazard
to everyone else on the road? Of course anyone involved in an
automobile accident is at fault to some degree just by having been in
that place at that time. But there are differing degrees of fault.
Right now, until there actually is evidence that the driver is guilty
of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I
will continue to beleive the people who were hit bear the majority of
the blame for what happened to them.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794739 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 16:44 |
|
On Feb 18, 3:29=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 8:54=A0pm, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 9:46=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 10:59=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 17, 8:06=A0am, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... [at] prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Harry K" <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:6f7f36c3-ffa3-494b-b6bc-7bea415dd15f [at] i12g2000prf.googlegroups.=
com...
> > > > > On Feb 17, 7:31 am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in th=
e
> > > > > > race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did noth=
ing
> > > > > > wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one ente=
rs a
> > > > > > foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just=
slam
> > > > > > your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say =
they
> > > > > > carelessly caused this to happen
>
> > > > > !!?? =A0Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility be=
fore
> > > > > deciding to slow down? =A0If so, maybe you should shift your gaze =
a few
> > > > > yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
>
> > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > ----------------------------
>
> > > > > Uhhhhhh....it was DARK. =A0 =A0Black smoke, in the dark. =A0Even t=
he
> > > > > semi-truck driver who came upon the scene next, had poor
> > > > > visibility.
>
> > > > > But that's OK, Harry K. =A0 It's your turn to stand in the middle =
of
> > > > > a dark highway tonight, and lecture drivers.
>
> > > > > Kris
>
> > > > What happened to the concept of "overdriving your headlights' =A0If =
they
> > > > couldn't see that wall of darkness approaching in time to slow
> > > > down...but I guess that would be beyond your comprehension.
>
> > > > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Has it occurred to you that the driver who hit these people was not
> > > overdriving his/her headlights, but when these idiots walked out onto
> > > the road, it was too late for the driver to stop? =A0All of the articl=
es
> > > I have read say that they stepped out onto the road after the drag
> > > racers passed. =A0If the driver was not so far back, he/she would not
> > > have had time to stop. =A0Do you expect someone driving an a 55 mph ro=
ad
> > > to drive more slowly just in case someone steps out in front of them?
> > > This is not a side-street, where you have to watch for kids that might=
> > > run out. =A0It is a road with a high speed limit, and anyone who walks=
> > > out into the middle of it so that they can gawk at drag racers is a
> > > idiot. =A0Whatever happened to the concept of holding people responsib=
le
> > > for bad things that happened to them as a result of their own stupid,
> > > and illegal behaviour? =A0I have compassion, but having compassion for=
> > > people who did something really stupid that injured or killed them
> > > does not mean you overlook their role in the accident and put the
> > > blame on someone who happened to be driving down that road at that
> > > time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =A0Well it did occur to me to read the article posted here that makes it=
> > plain that your assumptions are unwarranted.
>
> > "Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark road to watch the cars drive
> > away when a white Ford Crwown vic unexpectedly......and smashed into
> > them"
>
> > So, no, they didn't wander our into the street unexpectedly.
>
> > Then I read the article in my local paper that shows tht the driver
> > was overdriving his headlights -
>
> > "About 50 pople people were watching the race, Gabons said, and she
> > saw the Crown Vic approach without its lights on...."
>
> > So if no lights =3D overdriving them then yes he/she was. =A0The fact th=
at
> > the driver was on the road with no lights indicates to me that there
> > was light of some kind, street lights?
>
> > I think Scott has it right - geezer driving.
>
> > The accident happened at 3:40 am which may already be lightening up
> > there. =A0Not sure of the local conditions. =A0My paper also said
> > "scattering bodies in the early morning darkness..." and "The
> > combination of the dark _morning_ =A0and the smoke likely meant the
> > unsuspecting driver could not see the crowd..."
>
> > Now you can theorize, speculate, argue, all you want but the bottom
> > line is "you run into somehing - you screwed up". =A0Of course there is
> > the 'sudden rock falling off cliff' and the like that cannot be
> > avoided but running into somethign already on the road? =A0Running into
> > poor visibility without slowing first? =A0That, added to the routine
> > tailgating, is the prime cause of the multi car pileups.
>
> > Harry K
>
> > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> To me, a group of people walking into a street with high speed limit
> is similar to a rock suddenly falling off a cliff. =A0There are some
> things that you just don't expect, and can't avoid. =A0Also, it seems
> that only that one woman claimed that the driver did not have his/her
> lights on. =A0If I recall correctly, she is the one who was out in the
> middle of the street with her kid, and had to pull the kid out of the
> street. =A0Her dad had a broken leg and could not get off the street
> quickly enough and was killed. =A0Given that no one else has said that
> the driver did not have his lights on, and that she was engaging in
> really stupid behaviour, with her child present, I don't really trust
> this woman's statement. =A0Also, if she was watching the drag racers,
> her back would have been to the car that hit them, so of course she
> would not have seen the lights. =A0I believe in "guilty until proven
> innocent." =A0We already know that this group of people was doing
> something both illegal and stupid. =A0There is so far no evidence that
> the driver who hit them was guilty of anything more than being in the
> wrong place at the wrong time. =A0Really, who would, while driving on a
> road at 55mph, consider it a possibility that you will come upon a
> group of people standing in the middle of the road. =A0I think it is way
> too easy for some people to make judgements about this driver's
> behaviour, and place little blame on these idiots who were in fact out
> in the middle of the night, watching an illegal activity, and standing
> in the middle of the road. =A0Finally, you are a fine one to talk about
> someone else speculating. =A0You have assumed that the driver is totally
> at fault here - no blame on these idiots at all. =A0The bottom line that
> you state, "you hit something, you screwed up" is not a hard and fast
> rule. =A0If you are out driving, and something darts out in front of
> you, or a rock falls off a cliff, and you hit it, how did you screw
> up? =A0Are you supposed to always drive really slowly, just to avoid
> that situation? So if the speed limit is 55, are you supposed to drive
> 15, just so that you can stop sooner? =A0Aren't you then being a hazard
> to everyone else on the road? =A0Of course anyone involved in an
> automobile accident is at fault to some degree just by having been in
> that place at that time. =A0But there are differing degrees of fault.
> Right now, until there actually is evidence that the driver is guilty
> of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I
> will continue to beleive the people who were hit bear the majority of
> the blame for what happened to them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
You do realize that your argument re people walking into road being
the same as a rock suddently falling in the road absolves every driver
running into _anything_, at any time regardless of the visibility?
I did not claim that the people in the street were being stupid or
shouldn't be charged with somehting. Nice projection there.
The facts speak for themselves. The driver ran into somehting THAT
WAS ALREADY on the street. That driver should be charged with
something.
If you really believe and drive the way you are coming off, I hope you
aren't drving in my area.
Harry K
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794743 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 17:19 |
|
In article <b17a0718-92a2-4cee-abd3-e74e430e85ea [at] e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Harry K wrote:
> The facts speak for themselves. The driver ran into somehting THAT
> WAS ALREADY on the street. That driver should be charged with
> something.
THis is a society of ticky-tacky laws selectively enforced. The presumed
geezer driving a crown vic is a good citizen and those who turn out to
watch street racing are evil, dangerous, no good people. Simple as that.
All blame lies with the street racers. That's how this society functions.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794750 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 18:19 |
|
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:31:55 -0800 (PST), Sara Brown
<SaraTGinMD [at] aol.com> wrote:
>Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in the
>race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did nothing
>wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one enters a
>foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to just slam
>your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to say they
>carelessly caused this to happen
The person who originated this thread is a flaming moron who makes
Jeffery Dahmer look normal. Read some of its spew and you will see
what I mean.
OBTW, the originator of this thread is a hypocrite also.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS (a.k.a. SFB) admits to being
a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler:
"> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?
Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."
Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers
Are Murderers (SADDAM)), 10/3/2002
Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff [at] posting.google.com>
http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg
Proof that POA is LBMHB/lbVH/SADDAM:
See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794756 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 19:42 |
|
On Feb 18, 9:44=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 18, 3:29=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 8:54=A0pm, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 9:46=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 17, 10:59=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 17, 8:06=A0am, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... [at] prodigy.net> wrote:=
>
> > > > > > "Harry K" <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:6f7f36c3-ffa3-494b-b6bc-7bea415dd15f [at] i12g2000prf.googlegroup=
s.com...
> > > > > > On Feb 17, 7:31 am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not in =
the
> > > > > > > race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did no=
thing
> > > > > > > wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one en=
ters a
> > > > > > > foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to ju=
st slam
> > > > > > > your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to sa=
y they
> > > > > > > carelessly caused this to happen
>
> > > > > > !!?? =A0Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibility =
before
> > > > > > deciding to slow down? =A0If so, maybe you should shift your gaz=
e a few
> > > > > > yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
>
> > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > ----------------------------
>
> > > > > > Uhhhhhh....it was DARK. =A0 =A0Black smoke, in the dark. =A0Even=
the
> > > > > > semi-truck driver who came upon the scene next, had poor
> > > > > > visibility.
>
> > > > > > But that's OK, Harry K. =A0 It's your turn to stand in the middl=
e of
> > > > > > a dark highway tonight, and lecture drivers.
>
> > > > > > Kris
>
> > > > > What happened to the concept of "overdriving your headlights' =A0I=
f they
> > > > > couldn't see that wall of darkness approaching in time to slow
> > > > > down...but I guess that would be beyond your comprehension.
>
> > > > > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Has it occurred to you that the driver who hit these people was not
> > > > overdriving his/her headlights, but when these idiots walked out ont=
o
> > > > the road, it was too late for the driver to stop? =A0All of the arti=
cles
> > > > I have read say that they stepped out onto the road after the drag
> > > > racers passed. =A0If the driver was not so far back, he/she would no=
t
> > > > have had time to stop. =A0Do you expect someone driving an a 55 mph =
road
> > > > to drive more slowly just in case someone steps out in front of them=
?
> > > > This is not a side-street, where you have to watch for kids that mig=
ht
> > > > run out. =A0It is a road with a high speed limit, and anyone who wal=
ks
> > > > out into the middle of it so that they can gawk at drag racers is a
> > > > idiot. =A0Whatever happened to the concept of holding people respons=
ible
> > > > for bad things that happened to them as a result of their own stupid=
,
> > > > and illegal behaviour? =A0I have compassion, but having compassion f=
or
> > > > people who did something really stupid that injured or killed them
> > > > does not mean you overlook their role in the accident and put the
> > > > blame on someone who happened to be driving down that road at that
> > > > time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > =A0Well it did occur to me to read the article posted here that makes =
it
> > > plain that your assumptions are unwarranted.
>
> > > "Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark road to watch the cars drive
> > > away when a white Ford Crwown vic unexpectedly......and smashed into
> > > them"
>
> > > So, no, they didn't wander our into the street unexpectedly.
>
> > > Then I read the article in my local paper that shows tht the driver
> > > was overdriving his headlights -
>
> > > "About 50 pople people were watching the race, Gabons said, and she
> > > saw the Crown Vic approach without its lights on...."
>
> > > So if no lights =3D overdriving them then yes he/she was. =A0The fact =
that
> > > the driver was on the road with no lights indicates to me that there
> > > was light of some kind, street lights?
>
> > > I think Scott has it right - geezer driving.
>
> > > The accident happened at 3:40 am which may already be lightening up
> > > there. =A0Not sure of the local conditions. =A0My paper also said
> > > "scattering bodies in the early morning darkness..." and "The
> > > combination of the dark _morning_ =A0and the smoke likely meant the
> > > unsuspecting driver could not see the crowd..."
>
> > > Now you can theorize, speculate, argue, all you want but the bottom
> > > line is "you run into somehing - you screwed up". =A0Of course there i=
s
> > > the 'sudden rock falling off cliff' and the like that cannot be
> > > avoided but running into somethign already on the road? =A0Running int=
o
> > > poor visibility without slowing first? =A0That, added to the routine
> > > tailgating, is the prime cause of the multi car pileups.
>
> > > Harry K
>
> > > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > To me, a group of people walking into a street with high speed limit
> > is similar to a rock suddenly falling off a cliff. =A0There are some
> > things that you just don't expect, and can't avoid. =A0Also, it seems
> > that only that one woman claimed that the driver did not have his/her
> > lights on. =A0If I recall correctly, she is the one who was out in the
> > middle of the street with her kid, and had to pull the kid out of the
> > street. =A0Her dad had a broken leg and could not get off the street
> > quickly enough and was killed. =A0Given that no one else has said that
> > the driver did not have his lights on, and that she was engaging in
> > really stupid behaviour, with her child present, I don't really trust
> > this woman's statement. =A0Also, if she was watching the drag racers,
> > her back would have been to the car that hit them, so of course she
> > would not have seen the lights. =A0I believe in "guilty until proven
> > innocent." =A0We already know that this group of people was doing
> > something both illegal and stupid. =A0There is so far no evidence that
> > the driver who hit them was guilty of anything more than being in the
> > wrong place at the wrong time. =A0Really, who would, while driving on a
> > road at 55mph, consider it a possibility that you will come upon a
> > group of people standing in the middle of the road. =A0I think it is way=
> > too easy for some people to make judgements about this driver's
> > behaviour, and place little blame on these idiots who were in fact out
> > in the middle of the night, watching an illegal activity, and standing
> > in the middle of the road. =A0Finally, you are a fine one to talk about
> > someone else speculating. =A0You have assumed that the driver is totally=
> > at fault here - no blame on these idiots at all. =A0The bottom line that=
> > you state, "you hit something, you screwed up" is not a hard and fast
> > rule. =A0If you are out driving, and something darts out in front of
> > you, or a rock falls off a cliff, and you hit it, how did you screw
> > up? =A0Are you supposed to always drive really slowly, just to avoid
> > that situation? So if the speed limit is 55, are you supposed to drive
> > 15, just so that you can stop sooner? =A0Aren't you then being a hazard
> > to everyone else on the road? =A0Of course anyone involved in an
> > automobile accident is at fault to some degree just by having been in
> > that place at that time. =A0But there are differing degrees of fault.
> > Right now, until there actually is evidence that the driver is guilty
> > of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I
> > will continue to beleive the people who were hit bear the majority of
> > the blame for what happened to them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You do realize that your argument re people walking into road being
> the same as a rock suddently falling in the road absolves every driver
> running into _anything_, at any time regardless of the visibility?
>
> I did not claim that the people in the street were being stupid or
> shouldn't be charged with somehting. =A0Nice projection there.
>
> The facts speak for themselves. =A0The driver ran into somehting THAT
> WAS ALREADY on the street. =A0That driver should be charged with
> something.
>
> If you really believe and drive the way you are coming off, I hope you
> aren't drving in my area.
>
> Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, it does not absolve anyone of ever running into anything. I am
taking into account many things, like that it was dark out, the speed
limit was 55, and these people wandered into the street. We still do
not know whether they had been standing there for a while, or they
just walked out there as the car was approaching. Again, until there
is evidence regarding the driver doing something wrong, I'll assume he
or she did not. The people who were hit were obviously doing
something wrong. If the driver is determined to be responsible, I
will be the first one to say he deserves whatever punishment he gets.
Until that happens, this just seems to me like a bunch of idiots who
wandered into traffic.
If I drive the way I am coming off? hahaha, talk about
projection...you think you know how I drive based on what I write?
For the record, I have had my driver's license for 31 years, and have
never been in an auto accident, and have never gotten a ticket. I
also ride a motorcycle, and have taken the motorcycle safety class,
and also have taught the class for several years. The focus is on
safe and defensive driving. However, no matter how safely someone
drives, there are situations that you can not possibly foresee. I
consider a group of people walking out into a road with a 55mph speed
limit, in the middle of the night, one of those situations. If that
happened to you, would you be able to stop? Are you confident that
you would be able to stop? Do you know the stopping distance of your
car at every speed? How can you be so sure? Have you ever been in
an accident? If so, why couldn't you avoid it? Let's say that a car
runs a red light and you t-bone it - wouldn't that be your fault for
not being prepared for that to happen? Remember your rule - if you
hit something, you did something wrong....so how do you avoid that
situation when someone runs a light? Or maybe they turn left in front
of you? Really the only way to avoid any possible mishap is to drive
around at 5mph. Anyone who drives like that is just as big a hazard
as any speeder is.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794766 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 20:39 |
|
On Feb 18, 11:42=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 18, 9:44=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 18, 3:29=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 8:54=A0pm, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 17, 9:46=A0am, towanda <vgnew... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 17, 10:59=A0am, Harry K <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 17, 8:06=A0am, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... [at] prodigy.net> wrot=
e:
>
> > > > > > > "Harry K" <turnkey4... [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >news:6f7f36c3-ffa3-494b-b6bc-7bea415dd15f [at] i12g2000prf.googlegro=
ups.com...
> > > > > > > On Feb 17, 7:31 am, Sara Brown <SaraTGi... [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Why is the subject heading for this story, "KILLER was not i=
n the
> > > > > > > > race..." All indications are the driver of this vehicle did =
nothing
> > > > > > > > wrong so why are you branding them as a "killer"?..When one =
enters a
> > > > > > > > foggy (In this case smokey) area it isn`t wise or common to =
just slam
> > > > > > > > your breaks on so then not stopping suddenly isn`t cause to =
say they
> > > > > > > > carelessly caused this to happen
>
> > > > > > > !!?? =A0Are you in the habit of driving into reduced visibilit=
y before
> > > > > > > deciding to slow down? =A0If so, maybe you should shift your g=
aze a few
> > > > > > > yards down the road to see what conditions are coming up.
>
> > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > ----------------------------
>
> > > > > > > Uhhhhhh....it was DARK. =A0 =A0Black smoke, in the dark. =A0Ev=
en the
> > > > > > > semi-truck driver who came upon the scene next, had poor
> > > > > > > visibility.
>
> > > > > > > But that's OK, Harry K. =A0 It's your turn to stand in the mid=
dle of
> > > > > > > a dark highway tonight, and lecture drivers.
>
> > > > > > > Kris
>
> > > > > > What happened to the concept of "overdriving your headlights' =
=A0If they
> > > > > > couldn't see that wall of darkness approaching in time to slow
> > > > > > down...but I guess that would be beyond your comprehension.
>
> > > > > > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > Has it occurred to you that the driver who hit these people was no=
t
> > > > > overdriving his/her headlights, but when these idiots walked out o=
nto
> > > > > the road, it was too late for the driver to stop? =A0All of the ar=
ticles
> > > > > I have read say that they stepped out onto the road after the drag=
> > > > > racers passed. =A0If the driver was not so far back, he/she would =
not
> > > > > have had time to stop. =A0Do you expect someone driving an a 55 mp=
h road
> > > > > to drive more slowly just in case someone steps out in front of th=
em?
> > > > > This is not a side-street, where you have to watch for kids that m=
ight
> > > > > run out. =A0It is a road with a high speed limit, and anyone who w=
alks
> > > > > out into the middle of it so that they can gawk at drag racers is =
a
> > > > > idiot. =A0Whatever happened to the concept of holding people respo=
nsible
> > > > > for bad things that happened to them as a result of their own stup=
id,
> > > > > and illegal behaviour? =A0I have compassion, but having compassion=
for
> > > > > people who did something really stupid that injured or killed them=
> > > > > does not mean you overlook their role in the accident and put the
> > > > > blame on someone who happened to be driving down that road at that=
> > > > > time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > =A0Well it did occur to me to read the article posted here that make=
s it
> > > > plain that your assumptions are unwarranted.
>
> > > > "Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark road to watch the cars drive
> > > > away when a white Ford Crwown vic unexpectedly......and smashed into=
> > > > them"
>
> > > > So, no, they didn't wander our into the street unexpectedly.
>
> > > > Then I read the article in my local paper that shows tht the driver
> > > > was overdriving his headlights -
>
> > > > "About 50 pople people were watching the race, Gabons said, and she
> > > > saw the Crown Vic approach without its lights on...."
>
> > > > So if no lights =3D overdriving them then yes he/she was. =A0The fac=
t that
> > > > the driver was on the road with no lights indicates to me that there=
> > > > was light of some kind, street lights?
>
> > > > I think Scott has it right - geezer driving.
>
> > > > The accident happened at 3:40 am which may already be lightening up
> > > > there. =A0Not sure of the local conditions. =A0My paper also said
> > > > "scattering bodies in the early morning darkness..." and "The
> > > > combination of the dark _morning_ =A0and the smoke likely meant the
> > > > unsuspecting driver could not see the crowd..."
>
> > > > Now you can theorize, speculate, argue, all you want but the bottom
> > > > line is "you run into somehing - you screwed up". =A0Of course there=
is
> > > > the 'sudden rock falling off cliff' and the like that cannot be
> > > > avoided but running into somethign already on the road? =A0Running i=
nto
> > > > poor visibility without slowing first? =A0That, added to the routine=
> > > > tailgating, is the prime cause of the multi car pileups.
>
> > > > Harry K
>
> > > > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > To me, a group of people walking into a street with high speed limit
> > > is similar to a rock suddenly falling off a cliff. =A0There are some
> > > things that you just don't expect, and can't avoid. =A0Also, it seems
> > > that only that one woman claimed that the driver did not have his/her
> > > lights on. =A0If I recall correctly, she is the one who was out in the=
> > > middle of the street with her kid, and had to pull the kid out of the
> > > street. =A0Her dad had a broken leg and could not get off the street
> > > quickly enough and was killed. =A0Given that no one else has said that=
> > > the driver did not have his lights on, and that she was engaging in
> > > really stupid behaviour, with her child present, I don't really trust
> > > this woman's statement. =A0Also, if she was watching the drag racers,
> > > her back would have been to the car that hit them, so of course she
> > > would not have seen the lights. =A0I believe in "guilty until proven
> > > innocent." =A0We already know that this group of people was doing
> > > something both illegal and stupid. =A0There is so far no evidence that=
> > > the driver who hit them was guilty of anything more than being in the
> > > wrong place at the wrong time. =A0Really, who would, while driving on =
a
> > > road at 55mph, consider it a possibility that you will come upon a
> > > group of people standing in the middle of the road. =A0I think it is w=
ay
> > > too easy for some people to make judgements about this driver's
> > > behaviour, and place little blame on these idiots who were in fact out=
> > > in the middle of the night, watching an illegal activity, and standing=
> > > in the middle of the road. =A0Finally, you are a fine one to talk abou=
t
> > > someone else speculating. =A0You have assumed that the driver is total=
ly
> > > at fault here - no blame on these idiots at all. =A0The bottom line th=
at
> > > you state, "you hit something, you screwed up" is not a hard and fast
> > > rule. =A0If you are out driving, and something darts out in front of
> > > you, or a rock falls off a cliff, and you hit it, how did you screw
> > > up? =A0Are you supposed to always drive really slowly, just to avoid
> > > that situation? So if the speed limit is 55, are you supposed to drive=
> > > 15, just so that you can stop sooner? =A0Aren't you then being a hazar=
d
> > > to everyone else on the road? =A0Of course anyone involved in an
> > > automobile accident is at fault to some degree just by having been in
> > > that place at that time. =A0But there are differing degrees of fault.
> > > Right now, until there actually is evidence that the driver is guilty
> > > of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I
> > > will continue to beleive the people who were hit bear the majority of
> > > the blame for what happened to them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You do realize that your argument re people walking into road being
> > the same as a rock suddently falling in the road absolves every driver
> > running into _anything_, at any time regardless of the visibility?
>
> > I did not claim that the people in the street were being stupid or
> > shouldn't be charged with somehting. =A0Nice projection there.
>
> > The facts speak for themselves. =A0The driver ran into somehting THAT
> > WAS ALREADY on the street. =A0That driver should be charged with
> > something.
>
> > If you really believe and drive the way you are coming off, I hope you
> > aren't drving in my area.
>
> > Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> No, it does not absolve anyone of ever running into anything. =A0I am
> taking into account many things, like that it was dark out, the speed
> limit was 55, and these people wandered into the street. =A0We still do
> not know whether they had been standing there for a while, or they
> just walked out there as the car was approaching. =A0Again, until there
> is evidence regarding the driver doing something wrong, I'll assume he
> or she did not. =A0The people who were hit were obviously doing
> something wrong. =A0If the driver is determined to be responsible, I
> will be the first one to say he deserves whatever punishment he gets.
> Until that happens, this just seems to me like a bunch of idiots who
> wandered into traffic.
>
> If I drive the way I am coming off? =A0 hahaha, talk about
> projection...you think you know how I drive based on what I write?
> For the record, I have had my driver's license for 31 years, and have
> never been in an auto accident, and have never gotten a ticket. =A0I
> also ride a motorcycle, and have taken the motorcycle safety class,
> and also have taught the class for several years. =A0The focus is on
> safe and defensive driving. =A0However, no matter how safely someone
> drives, there are situations that you can not possibly foresee. =A0I
> consider a group of people walking out into a road with a 55mph speed
> limit, in the middle of the night, one of those situations. =A0If that
> happened to you, would you be able to stop? =A0Are you confident that
> you would be able to stop? =A0Do
> ...
>
> read more =BB- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Easy folks, it's just a negro thing in southern Maryland.
ted
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794769 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 21:44 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794771 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 21:54 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794778 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 22:27 |
|
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:46:17 -0800 (PST), towanda <vgnewsom [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Do you expect someone driving an a 55 mph road
>to drive more slowly just in case someone steps out in front of them?
In Claybrookian america (sic), that is exactly what is expected.
>This is not a side-street, where you have to watch for kids that might
>run out. It is a road with a high speed limit, and anyone who walks
>out into the middle of it so that they can gawk at drag racers is a
>idiot. Whatever happened to the concept of holding people responsible
>for bad things that happened to them as a result of their own stupid,
>and illegal behaviour?
Agreed. The estates of the dead idiots, the other gawkers who ran out
into the road and the racers themselves should be required to pay for
1) any damage to the roadway and/or infrastructure that arose from
their criminal acts
2) replace the car of the gentleman who had the misfortune to be in
the wrong place at the wrong time
3) repair any damage to the articulated that was also invoilved
4) any and all physical and/or mental injuries that the gentleman
and/or the trucker incur.
> I have compassion,
So do I. For the old man driving the Crown Vic and the trucker.
> but having compassion for
>people who did something really stupid that injured or killed them
>does not mean you overlook their role in the accident and put the
>blame on someone who happened to be driving down that road at that
>time.
The guy and the truck were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Nothing more, nothing less.
"Well, I really think he shatters the myth of
white supremacy once and for all."
--Rep Charles Rangel on Pres. W. Bush
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794780 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 22:35 |
|
In article <7mrjr3d820hck56ruo1vcttcv5tngg5ib4 [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:19:04 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS [at] yahoo.com
> (Brent P) wrote:
>
>>In article <b17a0718-92a2-4cee-abd3-e74e430e85ea [at] e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Harry K wrote:
>>
>>> The facts speak for themselves. The driver ran into somehting THAT
>>> WAS ALREADY on the street. That driver should be charged with
>>> something.
>>
>>THis is a society of ticky-tacky laws selectively enforced. The presumed
>>geezer driving a crown vic is a good citizen and those who turn out to
>>watch street racing are evil, dangerous, no good people. Simple as that.
>>All blame lies with the street racers. That's how this society functions.
>
> I have read in the newspapers recently about multiple instances where
> a pedestrian was struck by an automobile in the middle of the street
> and the driver was not cited simply because the pedestrian was not in
> a crosswalk. Pedestrians simply cannot walk willy-nilly wherever they
> please; they have to take *some* responsibility for their own safety.
I believe that is what I just wrote. However the blame is being placed on
the 'street racing' drivers and the crowd 100%. The cops actually want to
find the drivers doing the burn outs. When do they even bother looking Mr.
Magoo that leaves collisions in his wake where no physical contact is
made with his vehicle?? slightly more than never I figure.
And then there are cases where someone drives up on the sidewalk kills a
ped and gets at worst a traffic ticket with a smaller fine than the
standard speeding ticket.
> In the case currently being discussed, I can see fault on both sides.
> IMHO, the drivers should be cited, but should not be held responsible
> for any injuries or deaths to the idiots that were standing in the
> middle of the street obscured by clouds of tire smoke.
You know as well as I do, that if it wasn't a presumed geezer in a crown
vic but some kid in a riced out car the driver would be held at fault,
100% however. That's how the system works and the point I'm making.
How about the people who mash the accelerator instead of the brake and
drive into buildings? They are rarely charged or even get a trivial
ticket. Instead of an 80 year old in a crown vic, take
a 20 year old in WRX who slides off an exit ramp and mashes up his car
but causes no other harm. He's going to get every ticket a cop can dream
up even though he harmed no one but himself.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794781 ] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 22:54 |
|
In article <mltjr3hgnha5areu00csq4pmpbsdibjtsn [at] 4ax.com>, necromancer wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:46:17 -0800 (PST), towanda <vgnewsom [at] yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Do you expect someone driving an a 55 mph road
>>to drive more slowly just in case someone steps out in front of them?
>
> In Claybrookian america (sic), that is exactly what is expected.
Unless you're a member of a protected group or the person(s) you hit are
a member of a 'bad' group. In which case it's perfectly fine to drive the
speed limit no matter what.
Some years ago I was driving on residential street where some asshats had
double parked and left the double parked car with the high beams on. So I
can't see anything past the glare of these high beams. I slow to a crawl.
As the glare of the high beams is behind me, there are some of the
asshats standing in the remaining road available for traffic. I stop or
come close to it. they get out of the way If I continued at the 20mph
speed limit they would have been hit, no question about it. I wouldn't
have been able to stop a bicycle from 20mph in the space from where I got
past the glare to where they were standing. Under the system as it is
normally done, I would have been at fault.
How about turning this on it's head a bit and make it someone who should
be in the road.
Let's replace the crowd gathered to watch a burn out, with say stopped
traffic, put a motorcyclist last in the queue and have some sort haze,
smoke, whatever obscuring the view. A driver plows into the motorcyclist
because he just drove on normally even though his view was obscured. Who's
fault is it?
While the people shouldn't have been standing in the road, that doesn't
excuse driving blindly into a cloud at the speed limit. The smoke didn't
occur suddenly and was likely visible for some distance before hand.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794789 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 00:21 |
|
On Feb 16, 10:33 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:37:33 -0000, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>
>
>
>
>
> MURDERERS" <xeton2... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >And the idiot spectators were standing in the road!!!
>
> >http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15319020/detail.html
>
> >UPDATED: 10:27 am HST February 16, 2008
>
> >ACCOKEEK, Md. -- Police in Maryland said an uninvolved driver blinded by
> >exhaust smoke kicked up in an early-morning street race plowed into a
> >crowd of onlookers, killing eight and injuring six.
>
> >The deadly wreck happened about 3:40 a.m. Saturday on State Route 210 in
> >Accokeek, reported WRC-TV in Washington, D.C. Veteran officers called it
> >the "worst incident" they have ever seen.
>
> >Witnesses said two cars involved in an illegal street race had been
> >revving engines and kicking up smoke, filling the roadway with white
> >clouds. A group of onlookers then moved into the road to watch the race
> >when a white Ford Crown Victoria slammed into the crowd.
>
> >A tractor-trailer truck that came by shortly afterward may also have
> >struck someone on the roadside as it tried to avoid the crash scene,
> >about 20 miles south of Washington, said Prince George's County Police
> >Cpl. Clinton Copeland.
>
> Crown Vic == a geezer's car. It's certainly no surprise that a
> doddering old fool would drive right into a cloud of blinding smoke
> instead of safely stopping before he even got to it. As for the
> Trucker, obviously another Egregia Cum Laude graduate of the GPSTroll
> School of Incompetent Fucks.
> --
> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
> DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Interesting projection. I'd be curious to learn how old you are, with
how quick you are to label people "geezers" so quickly. It reminds me
of the homophobe trying so hard not to acknowledge his own homosexual
thoughts. Are you afraid you might be a geezer, Scott? Is that what
the vette's about, mid life crisis?
My best friend drove a crown vic for a while, from 23-25 years old.
This is someone who has years and years of racing experience. He's
now 27, and likely about to give his wife the explorer and buy another
high performance crown vic, this one wearing mercury marauder badges.
If you and he were to go all out on a very driver-centric course, you
in your C6 & him in his police package crown vic, I'd have a hard time
deciding who to bet on. I'd probably bet on him, since I know his
background regarding racing and knowledge and skill will beat out the
better vehicle more often than not.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794812 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 03:56 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794853 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 14:51 |
|
On Feb 18, 9:56 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:21:44 -0800 (PST), "DanK... [at] gmail.com"
>
> <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >Interesting projection. I'd be curious to learn how old you are, with
> >how quick you are to label people "geezers" so quickly. It reminds me
> >of the homophobe trying so hard not to acknowledge his own homosexual
> >thoughts. Are you afraid you might be a geezer, Scott? Is that what
> >the vette's about, mid life crisis?
>
> LOL!! I'm in my early 40s - not even close to mid-life, let alone
> geezerdom. I drive a Corvette because I like fast cars that handle
> well - always have, and probably always will.
Early 40's, and you've called geezer at people in their fifties. I'd
say you might be a little insecure there, especially reading your
posts. By the way, early 40's are not only close to mid-life, it's
actually past mid-life, with average life span being fewer than 80 as
it is. When people in their teens or 20's refer to that old guy
having the mid-life crisis, you're exactly who we're talking about.
The vette & the MFFY cam are all part of it.
> Any other cockamamie theories, Mr. Armchair Analyst? :)
Easily usenet POTD!! lmao. The irony - it's killing me! Please meet
Mr. Kettle...
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794854 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 15:01 |
|
On Feb 18, 9:56 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:21:44 -0800 (PST), "DanK... [at] gmail.com"
> <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >Interesting projection. I'd be curious to learn how old you are, with
> >how quick you are to label people "geezers" so quickly. It reminds me
> >of the homophobe trying so hard not to acknowledge his own homosexual
> >thoughts. Are you afraid you might be a geezer, Scott? Is that what
> >the vette's about, mid life crisis?
> LOL!! I'm in my early 40s - not even close to mid-life, let alone
> geezerdom. I drive a Corvette because I like fast cars that handle
> well - always have, and probably always will.
Early 40's, and you've called geezer at people in their fifties if not
younger. I'd
say you might be a little insecure there, especially reading your
posts. By the way, early 40's are not only close to mid-life, it's
actually past mid-life, with average life span being fewer than 80
years as
it is. When people in their teens or 20's refer to that old guy
having the mid-life crisis, you're exactly who we're talking about.
The vette & the MFFY cam are all part of it.
> Any other cockamamie theories, Mr. Armchair Analyst? :)
Easily usenet POTD!! lmao. The irony - it's killing me! Please
meet
Mr. Kettle...
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794859 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 15:50 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794860 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 15:52 |
|
|
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794866 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 16:25 |
|
On Feb 19, 9:50 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:51:20 -0800 (PST), "DanK... [at] gmail.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 18, 9:56 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:21:44 -0800 (PST), "DanK... [at] gmail.com"
>
> >> <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Interesting projection. I'd be curious to learn how old you are, with
> >> >how quick you are to label people "geezers" so quickly. It reminds me
> >> >of the homophobe trying so hard not to acknowledge his own homosexual
> >> >thoughts. Are you afraid you might be a geezer, Scott? Is that what
> >> >the vette's about, mid life crisis?
>
> >> LOL!! I'm in my early 40s - not even close to mid-life, let alone
> >> geezerdom. I drive a Corvette because I like fast cars that handle
> >> well - always have, and probably always will.
>
> >Early 40's, and you've called geezer at people in their fifties.
>
> Cite.
I'll decline. Since you have your reader set never to archive your
posts, it'd be a PITA to find an example. What's the official Scott
geezer cutoff? 60? 62? It's all close enough.
> >I'd say you might be a little insecure there, especially reading your
> >posts.
>
> Actually, you're the one who comes off sounding sensitive. How old are
> *you*, Dan? Have you had your Geritol this morning? :)
I'm 25, no daily meds needed. I'm entertained by the concern all the
same.
> >> Any other cockamamie theories, Mr. Armchair Analyst? :)
>
> >Easily usenet POTD!!
>
> En Ingles, Por Favor...
Post Of The Day. Reading "Mr. Armchair Analyst" come from your screen
name, especially in a thread containing some of your wild assumptions,
actually made me laugh out loud. That doesn't happen too often just
from reading usenet.
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was [message #794869 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 16:48 |
|
On Feb 19, 9:52=A0am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:01:36 -0800 (PST), "DanK... [at] gmail.com"
>
> <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >Early 40's, and you've called geezer at people in their fifties if not
> >younger. [...]
>
> You know, that wasn't clever enough to post even once, let alone
> twice. What's the matter, old man - did you forget you'd already hit
> the "send" key? ROFLMAO!!!!
> --
> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
> DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com"
I deleted the first to repost with a typo fixed. Us younger types are
google-centric, so if it messes up some of you old folks with old
school newsreaders so be it. :)
|
|
|
| Re: Latest on the street-racing tragedy that killed 8 - Killer was NOT in the race [message #794870 ] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 16:56 |
|
In article <dbf237df-cee4-471d-bd6e-c1e78e6f6776 [at] 62g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>, DanKMTB [at] gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 19, 9:52 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:01:36 -0800 (PST), "DanK... [at] gmail.com"
>>
>> <DanK... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Early 40's, and you've called geezer at people in their fifties if not
>> >younger. [...]
>>
>> You know, that wasn't clever enough to post even once, let alone
>> twice. What's the matter, old man - did you forget you'd already hit
>> the "send" key? ROFLMAO!!!!
>> --
>> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
>> DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com"
>
> I deleted the first to repost with a typo fixed. Us younger types are
> google-centric, so if it messes up some of you old folks with old
> school newsreaders so be it. :)
usenet is not a google thing. WTF is it with newcomers who confuse usenet
with | |
|
