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| LLB causes accident [message #793901] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 06:41 |
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It doesn't happen to me very often, but it happened yesterday. I was
trapped in the left lane behind several other drivers, who were stuck
behind an LLB and an Enabler in the right lane. I could not return to
the right lane and people were bunching up behind me in both lanes.
After awhile of sitting behind this rolling roadblock, a driver on my
right apparently got tired of waiting in what was becoming a very slow
drive, and swerved into my side. I ended up leaving the road to avoid
the collision.
It is clearly the fault of the LLB for causing this accident. People
will only wait so long in a traffic jam, with an empty road ahead of it,
before doing something stupid. Nobody has unlimited tolerance, and this
other driver snapped. I was a victim of the LLB's illegal driving.
This accident could've been much worse if I hadn't been expecting
something like this to happen. Keep Right Except To Pass! I probably
would've had serious injuries from being knocked into the median and
possibly into the oncoming traffic, and the LLB would've slithered away,
leaving me in the hospital and at least two cars damaged.
My tolerance for improper lane usage has been reduced this week. If
you're in the passing lane, you'd better be passing somebody!
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793904 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 07:37 |
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On Feb 11, 12:41 am, Alexander Rogge <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> It doesn't happen to me very often, but it happened yesterday. I was
> trapped in the left lane behind several other drivers, who were stuck
> behind an LLB and an Enabler in the right lane.
Whose fault was it you were "trapped" in the L lane...?!
> I could not return to
> the right lane and people were bunching up behind me in both lanes.
Whose fault was it you couldn't change lanes...?!
> After awhile of sitting behind this rolling roadblock, a driver on my
> right apparently got tired of waiting in what was becoming a very slow
> drive, and swerved into my side.
You seem to be implying that one driver is somehow responsible for the
actions of another driver, and that you were therefore involved in a
collision with a blameless driver who collided with you.
> I ended up leaving the road to avoid
> the collision.
You seem to be implying there was no collision, and you just drove off
the road.
> It is clearly the fault of the LLB for causing this accident. People
> will only wait so long in a traffic jam, with an empty road ahead of it,
> before doing something stupid. Nobody has unlimited tolerance, and this
> other driver snapped. I was a victim of the LLB's illegal driving.
Yeah, right. People become impatient, and it's not their fault if
they react stupidly to their impatience and subsequently crash.
Following your logic, I could swerve into someone passing me at 75 as
I drive 55 in a 55 and it would be their fault if I allowed myself to
become impatient at their driving.
> This accident could've been much worse if I hadn't been expecting
> something like this to happen. Keep Right Except To Pass! I probably
> would've had serious injuries from being knocked into the median and
> possibly into the oncoming traffic, and the LLB would've slithered away,
> leaving me in the hospital and at least two cars damaged.
Oh, well. I guess you shouldn't join the morons bunching up behind
slower traffic. Wouldn't that have made your "accident" avoidable?
> My tolerance for improper lane usage has been reduced this week. If
> you're in the passing lane, you'd better be passing somebody!
Yeah? Who were you passing...?
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- gpsman
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793906 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 07:48 |
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Was the LLB doing the speed limit or more? I suspect he was and that
means none of you deadly criminal speeders had any reason to pass.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793929 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 15:39 |
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On Feb 11, 1:37=A0am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 12:41 am, Alexander Rogge <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > It doesn't happen to me very often, but it happened yesterday. =A0I was
> > trapped in the left lane behind several other drivers, who were stuck
> > behind an LLB and an Enabler in the right lane.
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> Whose fault was it you were "trapped" in the L lane...?!
The LLB, and to a lesser extent other traffic. Jesus, you're a
douchenozzle. What did you want him to do? Pass on the shoulder?
Run another car off the road so he could change lanes?
nate
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793932 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 16:30 |
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In article <ad157ec2-7162-463f-a151-f503c7c0eb5d [at] h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, N8N wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:37 am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 12:41 am, Alexander Rogge <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > It doesn't happen to me very often, but it happened yesterday. I was
>> > trapped in the left lane behind several other drivers, who were stuck
>> > behind an LLB and an Enabler in the right lane.
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>> Whose fault was it you were "trapped" in the L lane...?!
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> The LLB, and to a lesser extent other traffic. Jesus, you're a
> douchenozzle. What did you want him to do? Pass on the shoulder?
> Run another car off the road so he could change lanes?
I've seen truckers run other vehicles off the road and pass on the
shoulder... (all fine graduates of the gpstroll trucking school I would
imagine) so that's probably exactly what he means.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793939 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 17:37 |
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On Feb 11, 9:39 am, N8N <njna... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:37 am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 11, 12:41 am, Alexander Rogge <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > It doesn't happen to me very often, but it happened yesterday. I was
> > > trapped in the left lane behind several other drivers, who were stuck
> > > behind an LLB and an Enabler in the right lane.
>
> > Whose fault was it you were "trapped" in the L lane...?!
>
> The LLB, and to a lesser extent other traffic. Jesus, you're a
> douchenozzle. What did you want him to do? Pass on the shoulder?
> Run another car off the road so he could change lanes?
The extrapolation of another's views to the point of ridiculousness,
while exceedingly popular, remains ineffective, except for (further)
revealing that you're an idiot.
I assume those are the only alternatives you could think of, probably
because, like all inferior drivers, you also allow your focus to
become concentrated too close to your front.
A more competent operator would have identified the situation
developing, early, and avoided it entirely, perhaps by moving into the
R lane and waiting for traffic to sort itself out.
Personally, I find Alexander's description highly questionable, and
his feeble attempt to blame his crash on a driver to his front, with
"several" vehicles between himself and that driver, completely and
utterly preposterous.
Despite your claim that I expect to follow shortly that you do it at
least several times every day, and observe it countless times every
single week, it is incredibly unlikely anyone could react swiftly
enough to avoid at least some contact with an adjacent vehicle
"swerving" into them, even if they were expecting it to happen.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793940 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 17:47 |
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On Feb 11, 11:37=A0am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:39 am, N8N <njna... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 11, 1:37 am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Feb 11, 12:41 am, Alexander Rogge <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > It doesn't happen to me very often, but it happened yesterday. =A0I =
was
> > > > trapped in the left lane behind several other drivers, who were stuc=
k
> > > > behind an LLB and an Enabler in the right lane.
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> > > Whose fault was it you were "trapped" in the L lane...?!
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> > The LLB, and to a lesser extent other traffic. =A0Jesus, you're a
> > douchenozzle. =A0What did you want him to do? =A0Pass on the shoulder?
> > Run another car off the road so he could change lanes?
>
> The extrapolation of another's views to the point of ridiculousness,
> while exceedingly popular, remains ineffective, except for (further)
> revealing that you're an idiot.
en anglais, s'il vous plait?
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> I assume those are the only alternatives you could think of, probably
> because, like all inferior drivers, you also allow your focus to
> become concentrated too close to your front.
>
> A more competent operator would have identified the situation
> developing, early, and avoided it entirely, perhaps by moving into the
> R lane and waiting for traffic to sort itself out.
>
And if, as the OP stipulated, the RL was clogged with a conga line of
drivers stacked up behind a rolling roadblock, possibly all following
each other too closely out of impatience?
> Personally, I find Alexander's description highly questionable, and
> his feeble attempt to blame his crash on a driver to his front, with
> "several" vehicles between himself and that driver, completely and
> utterly preposterous.
As we generally find you.
>
> Despite your claim that I expect to follow shortly that you do it at
> least several times every day, and observe it countless times every
> single week, it is incredibly unlikely anyone could react swiftly
> enough to avoid at least some contact with an adjacent vehicle
> "swerving" into them, even if they were expecting it to happen.
I actually have taken to the shoulder on occasion because of drivers
suddenly entering my lane, and no, there was no contact. As for the
rolling roadblock, I do see it quote often so unlike you, the OP's
description of what he witnessed is entirely believable to me.
nate
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793957 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 22:13 |
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:39:47 -0800 (PST), N8N <njnagel [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>The LLB, and to a lesser extent other traffic. Jesus, you're a
>douchenozzle. What did you want him to do? Pass on the shoulder?
GPS in his rig would probablly run the OP (Alexander Rogge) off the
road.
>Run another car off the road so he could change lanes?
If I read the OP's post correctly, the OP was the one who was run off
the road.
F ascist
B rotherhood
I ncorporated
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793959 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 22:39 |
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Alexander Rogge:
>It doesn't happen to me very often, but it happened yesterday. I was
>trapped in the left lane behind several other drivers, who were stuck
>behind an LLB and an Enabler in the right lane. I could not return to
>the right lane and people were bunching up behind me in both lanes.
>After awhile of sitting behind this rolling roadblock, a driver on my
>right apparently got tired of waiting in what was becoming a very slow
>drive, and swerved into my side. I ended up leaving the road to avoid
>the collision.
Hopefully you atleast got your hands (figuratively, oc course) on the
guy who sideswiped you.
>It is clearly the fault of the LLB for causing this accident. People
>will only wait so long in a traffic jam, with an empty road ahead of it,
>before doing something stupid. Nobody has unlimited tolerance, and this
>other driver snapped. I was a victim of the LLB's illegal driving.
IMO, you were the victim of the impatience of the guy who sideswiped
you. A fire that was fueled by the LLB and his co-conspirator who were
obstructing the highway. Hopefully some road karma will catch up to
them.....
..... and leave them together on the bottom of a river.
>This accident could've been much worse if I hadn't been expecting
>something like this to happen. Keep Right Except To Pass! I probably
>would've had serious injuries from being knocked into the median and
>possibly into the oncoming traffic, and the LLB would've slithered away,
>leaving me in the hospital and at least two cars damaged.
Yesterday and today, I passed a stretch of IH4 that is sometimes
referred to as, "The Dead Zone," (at the crossing of the St. Johns
River at the Volusia/Seminole County line) - alledgedly because some
car electronics like radios and the alike don't work properly when
passing through it - though my CD player worked fine, however, for
some reason my camera stoped recording both on the outbound and
inbound trips well before I reached the area.
But I digress. The area is noted for a high incidence of accidents on
the bridges over the river. LLBing is also rather bad too (or I should
say Center Lane Blocking as that is where the sloths were).
Co-incidence? I think not. But this being FloriDUH and FloriDUHians
being what they are, they would rather blame the ghosts of some German
family from the 1800's that is said to be buried under the Eastbound
lanes of IH4 (see http://www.local6.com/news/13273890/detail.html )
than their own shitty driving.
>My tolerance for improper lane usage has been reduced this week. If
>you're in the passing lane, you'd better be passing somebody!
Sometimes I wonder which lane people thik os for passing. It supposed
to be the left lane, but it seems that I do most of my passing in the
right lane these days...
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS (a.k.a. SFB) admits to being
a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler:
"> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?
Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."
Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers
Are Murderers (SADDAM)), 10/3/2002
Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff [at] posting.google.com>
http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg
Proof that POA is LBMHB/lbVH/SADDAM:
See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793965 ] |
Mon, 11 February 2008 23:18 |
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necromancer <55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org> wrote in
news:8pe1r358fa1stpupahn80gb5igu6pp89su [at] 4ax.com:
> Sometimes I wonder which lane people thik os for passing. It supposed
> to be the left lane, but it seems that I do most of my passing in the
> right lane these days...
Necro,they DONT THINK,period.
They are in their own little world,zombies.
Oblivious to what's happening next to and behind them;it doesn't matter to
them.
All they want is to cruise without having to work their 'brains' or
steering wheel too much.So,they make it up to others to figure out a way to
pass them.
(until they near their exit,then they swoop over across multiple lanes at
the last minute..EXPECTING others to let them in!)
FAR more dangerous than simple "speeding".
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Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793968 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 01:18 |
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> It is clearly the fault of the LLB for causing this accident.
No, it isn't.
He may end up spending eternity in some anteroom of Dante's Hell, or
at least the fourth terrace of Purgatory among the slothful. But
deviating from moral consequences and into 21st C. US traffic law, it
sounds to me as though fault lies 100% with the guy to your right,
who fouled you with an unsafe lane change.
What if the way had been blocked not by an LLB but some safety concern
visible only to the people at the head of the line? Or just by
impenetrable traffic he was unaware of for similar reasons? And did
he think having an accident was going to cause him to get there
*faster*?
Traffic presents us all with frustrating problems, most of which are
beyond our individual power to solve, and he really needs to switch
to decaf (perhaps freeing up enough of the real stuff for the LLB to
have a badly needed second cup, but never mind that).
He doesn't get to change lanes into the side of another car (not
negotiable -- there's some kind of law of physics on that subject),
and isn't even supposed to run the other guy off the road in the
attempt unless it's the only way to avoid something truly ghastly.
Good thing for everyone concerned (including those who would've been
stuck in even worse traffic behind the wreck -- or involved in a chain
reaction pile-up) that you were alert enough to see it coming, and
were both able and willing to leave the road so he didn't hit you.
Cheers,
--Joe
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793970 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 01:38 |
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Ad absurdum per aspera wrote:
> Traffic presents us all with frustrating problems, most of which are
> beyond our individual power to solve, and he really needs to switch
> to decaf (perhaps freeing up enough of the real stuff for the LLB to
> have a badly needed second cup, but never mind that).
Perhaps the best solution would be for the LLB to drink 3 or even 4 cups
of coffee before he leaves for his commute. I guarantee he'll soon have
a compelling reason not to LLB ;)
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793974 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 03:15 |
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793977 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 04:10 |
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Ad absurdum per aspera <jtchew [at] california.com> wrote in news:6215026c-9065-
466b-be1c-08b7a803a13c [at] 1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com:
>
>> It is clearly the fault of the LLB for causing this accident.
>
> No, it isn't.
>
> He may end up spending eternity in some anteroom of Dante's Hell, or
> at least the fourth terrace of Purgatory among the slothful. But
> deviating from moral consequences and into 21st C. US traffic law, it
> sounds to me as though fault lies 100% with the guy to your right,
> who fouled you with an unsafe lane change.
>
> What if the way had been blocked not by an LLB but some safety concern
> visible only to the people at the head of the line? Or just by
> impenetrable traffic he was unaware of for similar reasons? And did
> he think having an accident was going to cause him to get there
> *faster*?
>
> Traffic presents us all with frustrating problems, most of which are
> beyond our individual power to solve, and he really needs to switch
> to decaf (perhaps freeing up enough of the real stuff for the LLB to
> have a badly needed second cup, but never mind that).
>
> He doesn't get to change lanes into the side of another car (not
> negotiable -- there's some kind of law of physics on that subject),
> and isn't even supposed to run the other guy off the road in the
> attempt unless it's the only way to avoid something truly ghastly.
> Good thing for everyone concerned (including those who would've been
> stuck in even worse traffic behind the wreck -- or involved in a chain
> reaction pile-up) that you were alert enough to see it coming, and
> were both able and willing to leave the road so he didn't hit you.
>
> Cheers,
> --Joe
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don't you guys use your HORNS? (and eyes?)
When I see a car in another lane begin to edge over,I'm ready to give them
a healthy "URGENT" blast on the horn.(and swerve and brake)
They always give themselves away.
Head tilt or turn,too is an indicator.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793988 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 05:04 |
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On Feb 11, 9:39=A0am, N8N <njna... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:37=A0am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 11, 12:41 am, Alexander Rogge <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > It doesn't happen to me very often, but it happened yesterday. =A0I wa=
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> > > trapped in the left lane behind several other drivers, who were stuck
> > > behind an LLB and an Enabler in the right lane.
>
> > Whose fault was it you were "trapped" in the L lane...?!
>
> The LLB, and to a lesser extent other traffic. =A0Jesus, you're a
> douchenozzle. =A0What did you want him to do? =A0Pass on the shoulder?
> Run another car off the road so he could change lanes?
Remember, you're talking to a guy who thinks stopping completely in
the middle of the road is a-ok.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793992 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 05:22 |
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On Feb 11, 7:10 pm, Jim Yanik <jya... [at] abuse.gov> wrote:
> Ad absurdum per aspera <jtc... [at] california.com> wrote in news:6215026c-9065-
> 466b-be1c-08b7a803a... [at] 1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com:
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> >> It is clearly the fault of the LLB for causing this accident.
>
> > No, it isn't.
>
> > He may end up spending eternity in some anteroom of Dante's Hell, or
> > at least the fourth terrace of Purgatory among the slothful. But
> > deviating from moral consequences and into 21st C. US traffic law, it
> > sounds to me as though fault lies 100% with the guy to your right,
> > who fouled you with an unsafe lane change.
>
> > What if the way had been blocked not by an LLB but some safety concern
> > visible only to the people at the head of the line? Or just by
> > impenetrable traffic he was unaware of for similar reasons? And did
> > he think having an accident was going to cause him to get there
> > *faster*?
>
> > Traffic presents us all with frustrating problems, most of which are
> > beyond our individual power to solve, and he really needs to switch
> > to decaf (perhaps freeing up enough of the real stuff for the LLB to
> > have a badly needed second cup, but never mind that).
>
> > He doesn't get to change lanes into the side of another car (not
> > negotiable -- there's some kind of law of physics on that subject),
> > and isn't even supposed to run the other guy off the road in the
> > attempt unless it's the only way to avoid something truly ghastly.
> > Good thing for everyone concerned (including those who would've been
> > stuck in even worse traffic behind the wreck -- or involved in a chain
> > reaction pile-up) that you were alert enough to see it coming, and
> > were both able and willing to leave the road so he didn't hit you.
>
> > Cheers,
> > --Joe
>
> don't you guys use your HORNS? (and eyes?)
> When I see a car in another lane begin to edge over,I'm ready to give them
> a healthy "URGENT" blast on the horn.(and swerve and brake)
> They always give themselves away.
> Head tilt or turn,too is an indicator.
Heavy tints sometimes block your view of the drivers' heads.
And if you are in their blind spot, and they are those kind of folks
that don't know how to adjust their mirror properly and don't bother
to turn their heads, then when they come over, it's a better plan to
avoid, and if you get a honk in, great...
Yeah, staying out of a blind spot is best, but on a crowded freeway,
people put themselves in places where they can't see you, and you just
have to do the best you can. I can see a sequence of events that
would be unpredictable and unavoidable...
E.P.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #793996 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 06:26 |
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> When I see a car in another lane begin to edge over,I'm ready to give them
> a healthy "URGENT" blast on the horn.(and swerve and brake)
I tried that automatically, but it was too late. I realised that he was
coming over whether I was there or not, and avoided a serious collision.
I blame the LLB for causing this incident, because if the LLB hadn't
caused a traffic jam, everyone in the left lane would have passed
normally and there would have been no reason for that frustrated driver
to swerve into the left lane.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794007 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 08:36 |
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> What if the way had been blocked not by an LLB but some safety concern
> visible only to the people at the head of the line?
The cause of the traffic jam was obvious to everyone who could see the
rolling roadblock and the empty road ahead of it. Somebody wasn't
following KRETP, and the driver on the right was allowing the Duckling
to cause the traffic jam.
> And did he think having an accident was going to cause him to get
> there *faster*?
What he was trying to do was squeeze into the space in front of me, but
didn't have the skill to move into that space without hitting me. Being
frustrated with the LLB-caused traffic jam, he probably didn't even
notice me in the lane.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794023 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 15:58 |
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794032 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 17:04 |
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In article <80d3r39edc9jto4bvlc9b1bfa6qcseue6f [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Then you should GTFO ASAP. Keeping a Space Cushion around your car is
> part of Defensive Driving, as well.
Scott, I think those wide huge CA roads have made you forget how it is
driving in many other places. When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
wall. Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
The problem is, most everyone else stuck behind the wall is trying to do
the same and those that are not are forming more layers to the wall.
>>I can see a sequence of events that
>>would be unpredictable and unavoidable...
> That's the difference between the drivers in this group and the
> typical driver, who is totally oblivious to car body language and just
> about everything else around them. EVERYTHING comes as a surprise to
> these people.
Which is why I try to work my way past the wall ASAP. It is the only way
to get away from the danger.
Of course that's how I got a ticket once... I saw a gap in the wall and
punched it to get out in the open.... however one of the members of the
wall was a unmarked ISP car. I didn't get a good view of it, but it
appeared to be a livery cab. It was when the state police and livery
plates were very close in appearance with the color of the text being
what set them apart.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794034 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 18:26 |
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On Feb 12, 11:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
wrote:
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> When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
> can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
> the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
> get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
> wall.
Duh. You can avoid nearing the wall to begin with, you fucking moron.
> Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
> by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
*That* sounds reasonable and prudent...
> Which is why I try to work my way past the wall ASAP. It is the only way
> to get away from the danger.
<spit take> Yeranidiot. You can always lower your veocity and let
the wall pull away from you.
> Of course that's how I got a ticket once... I saw a gap in the wall and
> punched it to get out in the open.... however one of the members of the
> wall was a unmarked ISP car. I didn't get a good view of it, but it
> appeared to be a livery cab. It was when the state police and livery
> plates were very close in appearance with the color of the text being
> what set them apart.
Uh huh. You ignored the reasonableness and prudence of a majority of
drivers with more situational awareness than yourself and got ticketed
for it.
You sure get a lot of tickets and report drawing a remarkable portion
of the attention of LE for being such a good driver.
How did sitting on the roadside receiving your ticket improve your
level of safety and/or your life?
Did it add any time to your travel...?!
I may be in Chicago this weekend. Maybe we could get together and
I'll give you a free driving lesson....?
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- gpsman
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794058 ] |
Tue, 12 February 2008 22:56 |
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In article <6215026c-9065-466b-be1c-08b7a803a13c [at] 1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com>,
Ad absurdum per aspera <jtchew [at] california.com> wrote:
>
>Traffic presents us all with frustrating problems, most of which are
>beyond our individual power to solve, and he really needs to switch
>to decaf (perhaps freeing up enough of the real stuff for the LLB to
>have a badly needed second cup, but never mind that).
Many of them are not beyond our individual power to solve, merely
beyond our individual authority to solve. It's an important distinction.
Shoulder-passing and optionally brake-checking the LLB, for instance,
is not beyond the power of at least the first car behind him.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794068 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 00:47 |
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On Feb 12, 11:26 am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 11:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
> > When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
> > can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
> > the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
> > get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
> > wall.
>
> Duh. You can avoid nearing the wall to begin with, you fucking moron.
>
> <spit take> Yeranidiot. You can always lower your veocity and let
> the wall pull away from you.
As traffic from behind streams past you making said wall layers
thicker. *You* are the fucking moron.
> I may be in Chicago this weekend. Maybe we could get together and
> I'll give you a free driving lesson....?
I doubt it. The way you drive, in Chicago, you will never arrive.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Tearing down the walls, M'F'er!)
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794072 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 01:28 |
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In article <f896f68a-c7cc-4b90-b883-d99e162b05bf [at] d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Motorhead Lawyer wrote:
> On Feb 12, 11:26 am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 12, 11:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
>> wrote:
>> > When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
>> > can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
>> > the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
>> > get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
>> > wall.
>> Duh. You can avoid nearing the wall to begin with, you fucking moron.
>>
>> <spit take> Yeranidiot. You can always lower your veocity and let
>> the wall pull away from you.
> As traffic from behind streams past you making said wall layers
> thicker. *You* are the fucking moron.
lol... guess I'm missing some fun not seeing his posts. Slowing down
doesn't change a thing because traffic from behind fills in and the
situation becomes worse for the driver that slowed. I suppose one could
stop and wait a half hour.... it will probably be gone by then... of
course other moving road blocks will form so it will be for nothing.
>> I may be in Chicago this weekend. Maybe we could get together and
>> I'll give you a free driving lesson....?
> I doubt it. The way you drive, in Chicago, you will never arrive.
Maybe he'll take out another one of the local overpasses. Maybe I'll get
gpstroll on video... he should post what he'll be driving.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794076 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 01:40 |
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On Feb 12, 6:47 pm, Motorhead Lawyer <88.53... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 11:26 am, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 12, 11:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
> > wrote:
> > > When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
> > > can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
> > > the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
> > > get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
> > > wall.
>
> > Duh. You can avoid nearing the wall to begin with, you fucking moron.
>
> > <spit take> Yeranidiot. You can always lower your veocity and let
> > the wall pull away from you.
>
> As traffic from behind streams past you making said wall layers
> thicker. *You* are the fucking moron.
Uh huh. Obviously, the wall is going to become more dense whether you
join it, or avoid it.
So... how does avoiding the wall act in the detriment of one's own
safety?
> > I may be in Chicago this weekend. Maybe we could get together and
> > I'll give you a free driving lesson....?
>
> I doubt it. The way you drive, in Chicago, you will never arrive.
I'll bet I do, and the invitation extends to you.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794081 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 02:16 |
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On Feb 12, 8:04=A0am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
wrote:
> In article <80d3r39edc9jto4bvlc9b1bfa6qcseu... [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wr=
ote:
> > Then you should GTFO ASAP. Keeping a Space Cushion around your car is
> > part of Defensive Driving, as well.
>
> Scott, I think those wide huge CA roads have made you forget how it is
> driving in many other places. When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
> can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
> the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
> get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
> wall. Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
> by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
This is exactly the conditions I had envisioned. In downtown Seattle,
and in places on the east side of Lake Washington, traffic gets to be
exactly like this. There is not any way to create a safe cushion
around yourself.
I will admit that when I lived in San Diego, I never had this
particular problem. However, over the past 15-20 years, traffic has
become much worse on every successive visit.
E.P.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794091 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 03:15 |
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On Feb 12, 8:16 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
> > In article <80d3r39edc9jto4bvlc9b1bfa6qcseu... [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> > > Then you should GTFO ASAP. Keeping a Space Cushion around your car is
> > > part of Defensive Driving, as well.
>
> > Scott, I think those wide huge CA roads have made you forget how it is
> > driving in many other places. When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
> > can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
> > the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
> > get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
> > wall. Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
> > by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
>
> This is exactly the conditions I had envisioned. In downtown Seattle,
> and in places on the east side of Lake Washington, traffic gets to be
> exactly like this. There is not any way to create a safe cushion
> around yourself.
Yes, there is: operating a few mph slower than the flow, and slowing
before and to the degree that you don't become part of the traffic
"walls".
Of course that involves letting as many drivers to your front as
desire to be there, but it works, all the time, every time.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2793026662356344647
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- gpsman
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794093 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 03:20 |
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gpsman wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:16 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 12, 8:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <80d3r39edc9jto4bvlc9b1bfa6qcseu... [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>>
>>>>Then you should GTFO ASAP. Keeping a Space Cushion around your car is
>>>>part of Defensive Driving, as well.
>>
>>>Scott, I think those wide huge CA roads have made you forget how it is
>>>driving in many other places. When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
>>>can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
>>>the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
>>>get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
>>>wall. Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
>>>by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
>>
>>This is exactly the conditions I had envisioned. In downtown Seattle,
>>and in places on the east side of Lake Washington, traffic gets to be
>>exactly like this. There is not any way to create a safe cushion
>>around yourself.
>
>
> Yes, there is: operating a few mph slower than the flow, and slowing
> before and to the degree that you don't become part of the traffic
> "walls".
>
> Of course that involves letting as many drivers to your front as
> desire to be there, but it works, all the time, every time.
How is this going to reduce the traffic in the lanes next to you and
behind you? How is this going to insure that you still have an
appropriate space cushion in front of you at all times?
nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794100 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 05:03 |
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On Feb 12, 6:15 pm, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:16 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 8:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
> > wrote:
>
> > > In article <80d3r39edc9jto4bvlc9b1bfa6qcseu... [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> > > > Then you should GTFO ASAP. Keeping a Space Cushion around your car is
> > > > part of Defensive Driving, as well.
>
> > > Scott, I think those wide huge CA roads have made you forget how it is
> > > driving in many other places. When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
> > > can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
> > > the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
> > > get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
> > > wall. Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
> > > by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
>
> > This is exactly the conditions I had envisioned. In downtown Seattle,
> > and in places on the east side of Lake Washington, traffic gets to be
> > exactly like this. There is not any way to create a safe cushion
> > around yourself.
>
> Yes, there is: operating a few mph slower than the flow, and slowing
> before and to the degree that you don't become part of the traffic
> "walls".
You're obviously way too stupid to understand, but I'll lay it out for
you.
You are traffic flow -3mph in the right lane. Fucktard in tinted
window ricer sedan pulls past you and slows slightly such that you are
sitting in blind spot. Your choice is to speed up such that he can
see you, or slow down so there's clearance, or, if you're really
unlucky, he decides before you get to do any of that that he needs to
be in the right lane, right now. Of course, you are occupying that
lane right now, and your choice is now collision or shoulder.
Hopefully, shoulder exists.
Now, maybe this has never happened to you. In urbanized areas, I've
seen it and been the right lane victim of it.
As you have said over and over and over, you have no control over any
vehicle but your own, and sometimes the choices you have are choices
between bad and worse. And all the pre-planning and careful
positioning don't mean shit.
Of course, flow -3 means that there is a freight train of folks
passing you, then cutting over into your anti-tailgating gap, such
that you get to slow down more. Which is why flow - 3 is an exercise
in stupidity. It also disrupts traffic flow. Uh, except for you -
for you, traffic flow doesn't exist.
E.P.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794105 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 05:39 |
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On Feb 12, 11:03 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 6:15 pm, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 8:16 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 12, 8:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > In article <80d3r39edc9jto4bvlc9b1bfa6qcseu... [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> > > > > Then you should GTFO ASAP. Keeping a Space Cushion around your car is
> > > > > part of Defensive Driving, as well.
>
> > > > Scott, I think those wide huge CA roads have made you forget how it is
> > > > driving in many other places. When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
> > > > can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
> > > > the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
> > > > get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
> > > > wall. Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
> > > > by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
>
> > > This is exactly the conditions I had envisioned. In downtown Seattle,
> > > and in places on the east side of Lake Washington, traffic gets to be
> > > exactly like this. There is not any way to create a safe cushion
> > > around yourself.
>
> > Yes, there is: operating a few mph slower than the flow, and slowing
> > before and to the degree that you don't become part of the traffic
> > "walls".
>
> You're obviously way too stupid to understand, but I'll lay it out for
> you.
>
> You are traffic flow -3mph in the right lane. Fucktard in tinted
> window ricer sedan pulls past you and slows slightly such that you are
> sitting in blind spot. Your choice is to speed up such that he can
> see you, or slow down so there's clearance, or, if you're really
> unlucky, he decides before you get to do any of that that he needs to
> be in the right lane, right now. Of course, you are occupying that
> lane right now, and your choice is now collision or shoulder.
> Hopefully, shoulder exists.
Relative velocity is practically irrelevant to that. Unless you are
among the fastest of vehicles traffic will always (or at least often)
be passing and may create that scenario.
Shirley anyone except the densest of morons will conclude that in your
scenario, the lower the velocity, the better.
> Now, maybe this has never happened to you. In urbanized areas, I've
> seen it and been the right lane victim of it.
>
> As you have said over and over and over, you have no control over any
> vehicle but your own, and sometimes the choices you have are choices
> between bad and worse. And all the pre-planning and careful
> positioning don't mean shit.
Hey, you do the best you can, in the interest of your own safety, and
no realistic solution is perfect
You don't have much control over who may hit you, you have almost
absolute control over avoiding hitting anyone else. And that's your
priority.
As traffic fills the gap to your front, the lower your velocity, the
faster they are (or tend to be) pulling away.
The common "solution" of following at such a minimal distance that
traffic has not enough space to merge safely is obviously foolhardy.
They're often so determined to merge they're willing to risk your
safety and their own to do so. The obvious best solution is to ensure
they can do so without jeopardizing your safety any more than
necessary.
> Of course, flow -3 means that there is a freight train of folks
> passing you, then cutting over into your anti-tailgating gap, such
> that you get to slow down more. Which is why flow - 3 is an exercise
> in stupidity. It also disrupts traffic flow. Uh, except for you -
> for you, traffic flow doesn't exist.
Yup, score one for you.
The flow of traffic, or the optimization of throughput, is not any
driver's responsibility beyond KRETP maintaining velocity within the
speed limits, and adjusting velocity and following distance for people
wishing to merge to one's front and/or as conditions may dictate, and
I defy anyone to find a credible reference that states that it is.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794128 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 07:22 |
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On Feb 12, 9:20 pm, Nate Nagel <njna... [at] roosters.net> wrote:
> gpsman wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 8:16 pm, Ed Pirrero <gcmschem... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Feb 12, 8:04 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>In article <80d3r39edc9jto4bvlc9b1bfa6qcseu... [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
>
> >>>>Then you should GTFO ASAP. Keeping a Space Cushion around your car is
> >>>>part of Defensive Driving, as well.
>
> >>>Scott, I think those wide huge CA roads have made you forget how it is
> >>>driving in many other places. When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
> >>>can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
> >>>the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
> >>>get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
> >>>wall. Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
> >>>by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
>
> >>This is exactly the conditions I had envisioned. In downtown Seattle,
> >>and in places on the east side of Lake Washington, traffic gets to be
> >>exactly like this. There is not any way to create a safe cushion
> >>around yourself.
>
> > Yes, there is: operating a few mph slower than the flow, and slowing
> > before and to the degree that you don't become part of the traffic
> > "walls".
>
> > Of course that involves letting as many drivers to your front as
> > desire to be there, but it works, all the time, every time.
>
> How is this going to reduce the traffic in the lanes next to you and
> behind you?
Q: How do you reduce the traffic in the lanes next to you now?
Traffic to your rear will tend to pass in reaction to your lower
velocity.
> How is this going to insure that you still have an
> appropriate space cushion in front of you at all times?
You can't. All you can do is operate in such a manner that traffic
that may "cut you off" is pulling away and recreating your following
distance for you.
The closer you operate to the flow velocity, the longer that will
take.
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Wed, 13 February 2008 16:04 |
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794148 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 16:23 |
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In article <f916r3lq2jsr21l1n56e74d7pr8nd4s2v5 [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:04:52 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS [at] yahoo.com
> (Brent P) wrote:
>
>>In article <80d3r39edc9jto4bvlc9b1bfa6qcseue6f [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>
>>> Then you should GTFO ASAP. Keeping a Space Cushion around your car is
>>> part of Defensive Driving, as well.
>>
>>Scott, I think those wide huge CA roads have made you forget how it is
>>driving in many other places. When there is a wall of LLB blockers, you
>>can't keep a space cushion around your car as traffic bunches up behind
>>the wall. People intrude into it and since the wall is there you can't
>>get it back. The only way to re-establish a space cushion is get past the
>>wall. Which means jockeying for a posistion that will enable you to get
>>by at the slightest parting of asses that make up the wall.
> You think we don't have Phalanxes of Sloth in CA? I can assure you we
> do.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4388138191155175700
Nice trivial example.
> Everything you said applies here, as well. There are times when you
> temporarily reduce your space cushion for greater overall gain, such
> as when making a pass. However, for safety's sake, you should try to
> minimize the amount of time spent under such conditions.
>>>>I can see a sequence of events that
>>>>would be unpredictable and unavoidable...
>>
>>> That's the difference between the drivers in this group and the
>>> typical driver, who is totally oblivious to car body language and just
>>> about everything else around them. EVERYTHING comes as a surprise to
>>> these people.
>>Which is why I try to work my way past the wall ASAP. It is the only way
>>to get away from the danger.
> Exactly. And once you're past it, you immediately re-establish your
> space cusion.
Until then, you have little control over your space cushion.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794164 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 18:47 |
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Jim Yanik:
>Necro,they DONT THINK,period.
>They are in their own little world,zombies.
Oh, I believe there is some type of electrical activity that occurs
between the ears of these people that could be interpreted as
thought... :)
>Oblivious to what's happening next to and behind them;it doesn't matter to
>them.
DOn't I know it. I'll have a few videos of them upcomming in the next
few days.
>All they want is to cruise without having to work their 'brains' or
>steering wheel too much.So,they make it up to others to figure out a way to
>pass them.
>(until they near their exit,then they swoop over across multiple lanes at
>the last minute..EXPECTING others to let them in!)
>
>FAR more dangerous than simple "speeding".
But not as lucrative as a number posted on a sign is. Over the
weekend, I noted the FHP out in spades on IH95 between J-ville and
Daytona. Are they running a budget shortfall?
V ery
I rritating
A ddition
T o
O nline
L andtravel
O pinion
G roups
I ncluding
S ome
T trolling
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794166 ] |
Wed, 13 February 2008 19:53 |
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necromancer <55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org> wrote in
news:m2b6r39sga7q3c791a4vjamh2s3crkgr2b [at] 4ax.com:
> Jim Yanik:
>
>>Necro,they DONT THINK,period.
>>They are in their own little world,zombies.
>
> Oh, I believe there is some type of electrical activity that occurs
> between the ears of these people that could be interpreted as
> thought... :)
>
>>Oblivious to what's happening next to and behind them;it doesn't
>>matter to them.
>
> DOn't I know it. I'll have a few videos of them upcomming in the next
> few days.
>
>>All they want is to cruise without having to work their 'brains' or
>>steering wheel too much.So,they make it up to others to figure out a
>>way to pass them.
>>(until they near their exit,then they swoop over across multiple lanes
>>at the last minute..EXPECTING others to let them in!)
>>
>>FAR more dangerous than simple "speeding".
>
> But not as lucrative as a number posted on a sign is. Over the
> weekend, I noted the FHP out in spades on IH95 between J-ville and
> Daytona. Are they running a budget shortfall?
>
> V ery
> I rritating
> A ddition
> T o
> O nline
> L andtravel
> O pinion
> G roups
> I ncluding
> S ome
> T trolling
>
FHP is WAY below their staffing goals.
Seems all the other police depts pay a lot more.
BTW,it's I-95,no need for the "H".
I -hope- everyone knows an Interstate is a highway. Roadmaps,even the signs
on I-95 say "I-95".
SR= State road,CR= County road.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794184 ] |
Thu, 14 February 2008 02:48 |
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Jim Yanik:
> FHP is WAY below their staffing goals.
> Seems all the other police depts pay a lot more.
Not surprised. I saw a lot of locals patrolling too (especially in
St.John's County south of St. Augustine and in Camden County in GA
near Kingsland).
> BTW,it's I-95,no need for the "H".
> I -hope- everyone knows an Interstate is a highway. Roadmaps,even the signs
> on I-95 say "I-95".
Technically, IHxx is a correct terminology (The Comrade in m.t.r also
uses IHxx) according to what I have read (as is I-xx), though not
widely used. I use it to be different. Much like Carl Rogers uses the
term Federal Route; from what I've read, the term is technically
correct if not widely used.
> SR= State road,CR= County road.
When referencing State Routes, I prefer to use the state's postal
abbreviation and the route number so that we know
what state route we are referring to (as in differentiating Florida
State Route 100 from Georgia State Route 100, I would use FL100 or
GA100 as appropriate).
--
C an't
I nterpret
A nything
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794185 ] |
Thu, 14 February 2008 02:51 |
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gpsman:
> > This is exactly the conditions I had envisioned. In downtown Seattle,
> > and in places on the east side of Lake Washington, traffic gets to be
> > exactly like this. There is not any way to create a safe cushion
> > around yourself.
>
> Yes, there is: operating a few mph slower than the flow, and slowing
> before and to the degree that you don't become part of the traffic
> "walls".
That's when you become the wall. And defensive driving requires
maintaining a space cushion around *all* your sides if possible (IMO).
If you slow down too much traffic will start bunching up behind you.
--
D epratment of
H yesterical
S creaming
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794186 ] |
Thu, 14 February 2008 03:59 |
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On Feb 13, 12:53=A0pm, Jim Yanik <jya... [at] abuse.gov> wrote:
> necromancer <55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org> wrote innews:m2=
b6r39sga7q3c791a4vjamh2s3crkgr2b [at] 4ax.com:
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> > Jim Yanik:
>
> >>Necro,they DONT THINK,period.
> >>They are in their own little world,zombies.
>
> > Oh, I believe there is some type of electrical activity that occurs
> > between the ears of these people that could be interpreted as
> > thought... =A0:)
>
> >>Oblivious to what's happening next to and behind them;it doesn't
> >>matter to them.
>
> > DOn't I know it. I'll have a few videos of them upcomming in the next
> > few days.
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> >>All they want is to cruise without having to work their 'brains' or
> >>steering wheel too much.So,they make it up to others to figure out a
> >>way to pass them.
> >>(until they near their exit,then they swoop over across multiple lanes
> >>at the last minute..EXPECTING others to let them in!)
>
> >>FAR more dangerous than simple "speeding".
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> > But not as lucrative as a number posted on a sign is. Over the
> > weekend, I noted the FHP out in spades on IH95 between J-ville and
> > Daytona. Are they running a budget shortfall?
>
> > V ery
> > I rritating
> > A ddition
> > T o
> > O nline
> > L andtravel
> > O pinion
> > G roups
> > I ncluding
> > S ome
> > T trolling
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> FHP is WAY below their staffing goals.
> Seems all the other police depts pay a lot more.
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> BTW,it's I-95,no need for the "H".
> I -hope- everyone knows an Interstate is a highway. Roadmaps,even the sign=
s
> on I-95 say "I-95".
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> SR=3D State road,CR=3D County road.
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> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
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"IH" is the common terminology in Texas, even on VMS. AFAIK Texas is
the only state that officially uses the term. On Web sites,
Necromancer and the Comrade use them regularly.
SR is common, but using the state postal code (as in MO 291) is just
as common. CR is proper when the county road name is not in street-
name format. Many counties have named their roads with street names
as part of the E911 system. As a result, "CR xxx" is getting less
commonly used.
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| Re: LLB causes accident [message #794195 ] |
Thu, 14 February 2008 05:14 |
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On Feb 13, 8:51 pm, necromancer <o.20.t... [at] spamgourmet.com> wrote:
> gpsman:
>
> > > This is exactly the conditions I had envisioned. In downtown Seattle,
> > > and in places on the east side of Lake Washington, traffic gets to be
> > > exactly like this. There is not any way to create a safe cushion
> > > around yourself.
>
> > Yes, there is: operating a few mph slower than the flow, and slowing
> > before and to the degree that you don't become part of the traffic
> > "walls".
>
> That's when you become the wall.
One car in the R lane isn't much of a wall...
> And defensive driving requires
> maintaining a space cushion around *all* your sides if possible (IMO).
Maintaining a good following distance combined with a velocity slower
than the flow offers the choice of increasing velocity in addition to
decreasing velocity as tactics to deal with anyone who may pace you.
> If you slow down too much traffic will start bunching up behind you.
As long as you're operating at or above any minimum limit, that's
their problem.
If they're driving far enough ahead of their vehicles they should have
plenty of time to change lanes. If they don't, that's their fault,
and their problem.
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- gpsman
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