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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792848] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 19:59 |
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792858 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 23:18 |
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Scott in SoCal:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:00 -0500, "Stephane Dumas"
> <stephdumas [at] NOSPAMvideotron.ca> wrote:
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> >I spotted this article on Autoblog about a old video founded on Youtube
> >about the future of motoring, circa 1960
> > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/video-the-future-of-motor ing-circa-1960/
>
> While watching that utopian vision, I couldn't help but think of Jack
> May and George Conklin...
Could you imagine the reaction of the NOW crowd if that video had been
made today? :)
OTOH, I found the part about, "recommended safe speed," to be amusing
and the part about the mapping system sounds a lot like what current GPS
systems are evolving into.
Color coded highways? Christ, haven't they heard of something called a
map and numbered highways?
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and what a "thread," is:
"Now that takes nerve. You claim to killfile
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792860 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 00:06 |
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792867 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 00:50 |
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Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:00 -0500, "Stephane Dumas"
> <stephdumas [at] NOSPAMvideotron.ca> wrote:
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>> I spotted this article on Autoblog about a old video founded on Youtube
>> about the future of motoring, circa 1960
>> http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/video-the-future-of-motor ing-circa-1960/
>
> While watching that utopian vision, I couldn't help but think of Jack
> May and George Conklin...
Heat radiating highways? Funny how energy efficiency wasn't even on the
radar then. Not to mention the environmental impact of turning the
entire world into a parking lot. And feminism was only right around the
corner. :-p
And did they predict the Hummer? No! http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=1479
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792872 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 01:28 |
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792893 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 04:15 |
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Scott in SoCal:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, necromancer
>
> <55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> wrote:
> >OTOH, I found the part about, "recommended safe speed," to be amusing
>
> That was my favorite part. "Recommended safe speed: 85 MPH" - can you
> tell that film predates the influence of Claybrook and Nader?
Yep! ;)
> >and the part about the mapping system sounds a lot like what current GPS
> >systems are evolving into.
>
> >Color coded highways? Christ, haven't they heard of something called a
> >map and numbered highways?
>
> It's funny how they predicted GPS navigation systems and self-driving
> cars, but it never occurred to them that those things would make
> color-coded roads completely unnecessary. :)
True. OTOH, the color coded highways were already redundant. Could you
imagine having to come up with a different color for each city in the
US (or for every highway)?
However, I can't wait for the parking spot that takes you straight to
your office.. :)
> --
> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792907 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 05:48 |
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In article <9jt9q39k0f470g2h73telb66vu4lnprrn8 [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, necromancer
><55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> wrote:
>
>>OTOH, I found the part about, "recommended safe speed," to be amusing
>
> That was my favorite part. "Recommended safe speed: 85 MPH" - can you
> tell that film predates the influence of Claybrook and Nader?
>
>>and the part about the mapping system sounds a lot like what current GPS
>>systems are evolving into.
>>
>>Color coded highways? Christ, haven't they heard of something called a
>>map and numbered highways?
>
> It's funny how they predicted GPS navigation systems and self-driving
> cars, but it never occurred to them that those things would make
> color-coded roads completely unnecessary. :)
Backwards compatibility! duh.
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792908 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 05:49 |
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In article <13qa0els6jgthcc [at] corp.supernews.com>, Bolwerk wrote:
> Heat radiating highways? Funny how energy efficiency wasn't even on the
> radar then.
Nuke power was to provide unlimited energy.
> And did they predict the Hummer?
They were predicting atomic powered cars, not CAFE!
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792911 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 05:58 |
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"Bolwerk" <bolwerk [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:13qa0els6jgthcc [at] corp.supernews.com...
> Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:00 -0500, "Stephane Dumas"
>> <stephdumas [at] NOSPAMvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Heat radiating highways? Funny how energy efficiency wasn't even on the
> radar then. Not to mention the environmental impact of turning the entire
> world into a parking lot. And feminism was only right around the corner.
> :-p
>
> And did they predict the Hummer? No! http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=1479
I posted a news story a couple of weeks ago (no longer on Yahoo) about how
roads are now being built using the asphalt to store solar energy to melt
snow and ice in the winter. The amount of heat that can be collected by
asphalt roads is so large it can also heat and cool buildings all years
using heat pumps.
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792928 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 13:39 |
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Brent P wrote:
> In article <9jt9q39k0f470g2h73telb66vu4lnprrn8 [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, necromancer
>><55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>OTOH, I found the part about, "recommended safe speed," to be amusing
>>
>>That was my favorite part. "Recommended safe speed: 85 MPH" - can you
>>tell that film predates the influence of Claybrook and Nader?
>>
>>
>>>and the part about the mapping system sounds a lot like what current GPS
>>>systems are evolving into.
>>>
>>>Color coded highways? Christ, haven't they heard of something called a
>>>map and numbered highways?
>>
>>It's funny how they predicted GPS navigation systems and self-driving
>>cars, but it never occurred to them that those things would make
>>color-coded roads completely unnecessary. :)
>
>
> Backwards compatibility! duh.
>
>
At least around Pittsburgh, there are several colored "belts" around the
city. Of course, they are made up of old, existing roads, not purpose
built beltways so their usefulness is somewhat in doubt.
nate
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792936 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 16:48 |
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Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:00 -0500, "Stephane Dumas"
> <stephdumas [at] NOSPAMvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> I spotted this article on Autoblog about a old video founded on Youtube
>> about the future of motoring, circa 1960
>> http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/video-the-future-of-motor ing-circa-1960/
>
> While watching that utopian vision, I couldn't help but think of Jack
> May and George Conklin...
Loved it. Thanks for the link.
--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792937 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 16:49 |
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Bolwerk wrote:
> Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:00 -0500, "Stephane Dumas"
>> <stephdumas [at] NOSPAMvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I spotted this article on Autoblog about a old video founded on
>>> Youtube about the future of motoring, circa 1960
>>> http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/video-the-future-of-motor ing-circa-1960/
>>>
>>
>> While watching that utopian vision, I couldn't help but think of Jack
>> May and George Conklin...
>
> Heat radiating highways? Funny how energy efficiency wasn't even on the
> radar then. Not to mention the environmental impact of turning the
> entire world into a parking lot. And feminism was only right around the
> corner. :-p
>
> And did they predict the Hummer? No! http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=1479
Incidentally, no explanation was offered as to why Athens had become
deserted.
--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792945 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 18:03 |
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792949 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 18:39 |
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>
> You know, I thought about snagging the domain name "calrogsux.com" for
> use as the Fan Club Videos repository site, but it just wasn't worth
> the $9.95 registration fee. :)
>
> Of course, now that I've mentioned it, Cal-El is going to register
> every "negative" variant of his domain that he can think of and point
> them all to his main site in order to harvest more hits. :) :)
Godaddy says it's taken (unable to find out by whom). Network Solutions
wants $35/year
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792952 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 19:29 |
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Scott in SoCal:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:15:43 -0800 (PST), necromancer
> <o.20.tbim [at] spamgourmet.com> wrote:
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> >Scott in SoCal:
> >
> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, necromancer
> >>
> >> <55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> wrote:
> >> >OTOH, I found the part about, "recommended safe speed," to be amusing
> >>
> >> That was my favorite part. "Recommended safe speed: 85 MPH" - can you
> >> tell that film predates the influence of Claybrook and Nader?
> >
> >Yep! ;)
>
> And yet modern cars are so much safer than what they had when that
> film was made. If a 1960 Impala is "safe" at 85 MPH, then how fast
> would a ZR-1 be allowed to travel?
>
> >Carl really ought to change the name of his site to calsuck.com ;-P
>
> You know, I thought about snagging the domain name "calrogsux.com" for
> use as the Fan Club Videos repository site, but it just wasn't worth
> the $9.95 registration fee. :)
>
> Of course, now that I've mentioned it, Cal-El is going to register
> every "negative" variant of his domain that he can think of and point
> them all to his main site in order to harvest more hits. :) :)
Heh.. heh... heh... We just might bankrupt him yet. Just keep suggesting
negative domain names that he will have to buy to keep the rest of us
from using them. And don't forget, ".com," isn't the *only* top level
domain out there.... ;-D
--
"Go f*ck yourself! You are a useless armchair quarterback, as far as I
am concerned." --Carl Rogers, 3/9/2007
Ref: http://snipurl.com/1fzbf
Msg ID: 1173420548.730347.236470 [at] t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #792971 ] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 22:03 |
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In article <M5ydnVINJb9j1DjanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
Jack May <jack.may [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
>I posted a news story a couple of weeks ago (no longer on Yahoo) about how
>roads are now being built using the asphalt to store solar energy to melt
>snow and ice in the winter. The amount of heat that can be collected by
>asphalt roads is so large it can also heat and cool buildings all years
>using heat pumps.
I saw such an article. Looks good until you figure in the maintenence
costs for running liquids underneath the road at a depth shallow
enough to harness the heat.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #793005 ] |
Mon, 04 February 2008 01:48 |
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On Feb 2, 3:18=A0pm, necromancer
<55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> wrote:
> =A0Scott in SoCal:
>
> > On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:00 -0500, "Stephane Dumas"
> > <stephdu... [at] NOSPAMvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> > >I spotted this article on Autoblog about a old video founded on Youtube=
> > >about the future of motoring, circa 1960
> > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/02/video-the-future-of-motor ing-circa..=
..
>
> > While watching that utopian vision, I couldn't help but think of Jack
> > May and George Conklin...
>
> Could you imagine the reaction of the NOW crowd if that video had been
> made today? :)
My wife particularly got a kick out of that segment. "While the wife
goes shopping with junior..."
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #793006 ] |
Mon, 04 February 2008 01:49 |
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On Feb 2, 4:06=A0pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, necromancer
>
> <55_sux [at] worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> wrote:
> >OTOH, I found the part about, "recommended safe speed," to be amusing
>
> That was my favorite part. "Recommended safe speed: 85 MPH" - can you
> tell that film predates the influence of Claybrook and Nader?
Maybe it was metric. They probably assumed we'd all be on metric by
then along with speaking Esperanto.
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #793036 ] |
Mon, 04 February 2008 05:57 |
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necromancer wrote:
>> Of course, now that I've mentioned it, Cal-El is going to register
>> every "negative" variant of his domain that he can think of and point
>> them all to his main site in order to harvest more hits. :) :)
>
>Heh.. heh... heh... We just might bankrupt him yet. Just keep suggesting
>negative domain names that he will have to buy to keep the rest of us
>from using them. And don't forget, ".com," isn't the *only* top level
>domain out there.... ;-D
LMAO. Nice. :-)
--
People don't confuse me with someone who gives cares.
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #793044 ] |
Mon, 04 February 2008 06:44 |
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David Poole:
> necromancer wrote:
> >> Of course, now that I've mentioned it, Cal-El is going to register
> >> every "negative" variant of his domain that he can think of and point
> >> them all to his main site in order to harvest more hits. :) :)
> >
> >Heh.. heh... heh... We just might bankrupt him yet. Just keep suggesting
> >negative domain names that he will have to buy to keep the rest of us
> >from using them. And don't forget, ".com," isn't the *only* top level
> >domain out there.... ;-D
>
> LMAO. Nice. :-)
Thanks, I'll start of the, "Bankrupt Calrog," band wagon by proposing
the following domain name for him to buy up under *all* the top level
domains:
www.calrogsucksthesweatofftheballsofjosephbartlo.eu :-D
--
"Two, what in the wide, wide world of sports is a viatologist?"
--Garth Almgren
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #793047 ] |
Mon, 04 February 2008 06:47 |
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"Matthew T. Russotto" <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:t6KdnTIF2vCXsTvanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d [at] speakeasy.net...
> In article <M5ydnVINJb9j1DjanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
> Jack May <jack.may [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>I posted a news story a couple of weeks ago (no longer on Yahoo) about how
>>roads are now being built using the asphalt to store solar energy to melt
>>snow and ice in the winter. The amount of heat that can be collected by
>>asphalt roads is so large it can also heat and cool buildings all years
>>using heat pumps.
>
> I saw such an article. Looks good until you figure in the maintenence
> costs for running liquids underneath the road at a depth shallow
> enough to harness the heat.
>
>
>
> --
> There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices
> can
> result in a fully-depreciated one.
The article I read had the full cost of construction because it is installed
and running. The cost is more than conventional pavement but the surface
has a longer life.
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #793123 ] |
Mon, 04 February 2008 22:51 |
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> "Matthew T. Russotto" <russotto [at] grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:t6KdnTIF2vCXsTvanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d [at] speakeasy.net...
>> In article <M5ydnVINJb9j1DjanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
>> Jack May <jack.may [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>I posted a news story a couple of weeks ago (no longer on Yahoo) about
>>>how
>>>roads are now being built using the asphalt to store solar energy to melt
>>>snow and ice in the winter. The amount of heat that can be collected by
>>>asphalt roads is so large it can also heat and cool buildings all years
>>>using heat pumps.
>>
>> I saw such an article. Looks good until you figure in the maintenence
>> costs for running liquids underneath the road at a depth shallow
>> enough to harness the heat.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices
>> can
>> result in a fully-depreciated one.
>
> The article I read had the full cost of construction because it is
> installed and running. The cost is more than conventional pavement but
> the surface has a longer life.
Double the life at ten times (at least) the cost? Certainly that's how it
would shake out in anyplace like the Oregon mountains.
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #793145 ] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 02:56 |
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On Feb 3, 11:39=A0am, "US 71" <u... [at] cox.net> wrote:
> > You know, I thought about snagging the domain name "calrogsux.com" for
> > use as the Fan Club Videos repository site, but it just wasn't worth
> > the $9.95 registration fee. :)
>
> > Of course, now that I've mentioned it, Cal-El is going to register
> > every "negative" variant of his domain that he can think of and point
> > them all to his main site in order to harvest more hits. :) :)
>
> Godaddy says it's taken (unable to find out by whom). =A0Network Solutions=
> wants $35/year
One potential suspect for taking that one might be the Attack
Chihuahua. ;)
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| Re: the future of Motoring circa 1960 [message #793148 ] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 03:23 |
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[Futurific filmstrip]
> It's funny how they predicted GPS navigation systems
Transit, the first navigation satellite, got started in the late 50s
-- the story is that a scientist at the Johns Hopkins Univ. Applied
Physics Lab had the seminal idea from Sputnik, and the (unsuccessful)
launch of what would have been the first Transit satellite was in
1959. I think they had a useful constellation up within a few years.
Not sure how widely known outside of clearance-plus-need-to-know
circles this was, of course.
(Transit was Doppler-based only, but Timation, a second generation
satnav system that added a timing signal, was going up by 1967 or
so. For a perspective on these and other programs in the lineage of
what became NAVSTAR GPS, see
http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR614/MR614.appb. pdf)
> and self-driving cars,
That idea was around too, though I think that in realistic futurism
rather than out-and-out sci-fi it was usually predicated on some kind
of control system in or around the road, and at least somewhat planned
trips with central oversight sometimes compared to air-traffic control
-- rather than a car that can autonomously go wherever a human driver
could, and just as impulsively. Check out another film from that
age:
http://www.archive.org/details/Designfo1956
(Ahh, if it's a slow day, just browse the site, which has some of
everything, including Driver's Ed filmstrips and auto-maker propaganda
from several periods.)
> but it never occurred to them that those things would make
> color-coded roads completely unnecessary. :)
They knew something about both the physics and the statistics of
failure in those days too! The recommended safe speed of 85 mph
would be a heck of a time for a tube to burn out. Perhaps also about
people's desire for an occasional "sanity check" on what the automatic
systems are doing down there.
Some of the signage, too, is interesting in both its flaws and its
virtues, compared to what we really ended up using...
--Joe
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