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| Moron Move of the Day [message #792694] |
Thu, 31 January 2008 03:50 |
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792700 ] |
Thu, 31 January 2008 04:39 |
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On Jan 30, 8:50=A0pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A Jeep on
> the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
> to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
> go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
> just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
> could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he continues
> to sit there.
>
> Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
> right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
> inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
> MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I was
> able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>
> So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
> simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
> --
> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
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You should have forced him off the road. He has a Jeep; he could have
driven right back onto the road without much trouble, after shifting
the transfer case. :)
You did right...you know about KRETP, and you found the good "except"
part of the acronym.
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792701 ] |
Thu, 31 January 2008 05:05 |
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Scott in SoCal wrote:
> So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A Jeep on
> the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
> to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
> go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
> just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
> could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he continues
> to sit there.
>
> Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
> right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
> inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
> MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I was
> able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>
> So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
> simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
Why do you see a conflict?
Actually, I think "situational awareness" is probably pretty accurate.
It explains a lot of really poor driving, especially in Alhambra and
Monterey Park.
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792706 ] |
Thu, 31 January 2008 07:53 |
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In article <ibd2q3di3qkomoa9c4s8rkn0ua4qfogj15 [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A Jeep on
> the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
> to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
> go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
> just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
> could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he continues
> to sit there.
>
> Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
> right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
> inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
> MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I was
> able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>
> So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
> simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
It's a daily thing around here.... truckers do it too... one of my
unprocessed videos is of a trucker making a right on red without care to
traffic on the road.
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792707 ] |
Thu, 31 January 2008 08:02 |
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Scott in SoCal:
> So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A Jeep on
> the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
> to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
> go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
> just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
> could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he continues
> to sit there.
>
> Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
> right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
> inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
> MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I was
> able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>
> So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
> simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
I'll take both for EUR5000.00, Scott.....
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792783 ] |
Fri, 01 February 2008 21:54 |
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Scott in SoCal (scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
: So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A Jeep on
: the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
: to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
: go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
: just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
: could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he continues
: to sit there.
: Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
: right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
: inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
: MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I was
: able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
: So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
: simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
Another common move I see here is those right-turners immediately going
into the fast lane and then plodding along. I think these people feel
it's "safer" not to be in the slow lane where other cars may be
entering from side streets. Another (bad) habit which is growing in
popularity is right turners yielding to oncoming left turners at a
green light when both want to turn into the same side street. I think
this is a (mistaken) carryover from left turn signals.
Albert
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792788 ] |
Fri, 01 February 2008 23:05 |
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ajeans [at] hpl.hp.com wrote:
> Scott in SoCal (scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
> : So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A Jeep on
> : the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
> : to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
> : go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
> : just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
> : could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he continues
> : to sit there.
>
> : Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
> : right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
> : inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
> : MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I was
> : able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>
> : So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
> : simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
> Another common move I see here is those right-turners immediately going
> into the fast lane and then plodding along. I think these people feel
> it's "safer" not to be in the slow lane where other cars may be
> entering from side streets. Another (bad) habit which is growing in
> popularity is right turners yielding to oncoming left turners at a
> green light when both want to turn into the same side street. I think
> this is a (mistaken) carryover from left turn signals.
>
> Albert
I'll do that if I am doing a RTOR and the oncoming traffic has a green
arrow. Why? Simply because more often than not, the oncoming driver
won't know or won't care that he is supposed to turn left lane to left
lane, and I don't need a new driver's door ornament on my car. I could
be assertive and push the issue, but people seem so adamant about their
made-up rules of driving that it would likely end in a confrontation.
nate
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792791 ] |
Fri, 01 February 2008 23:22 |
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You are required to yield when doing a RTOR and the opposing traffic has
a green arrow and the left turner in such a situation may end in any
lane. It's the code.
> ajeans [at] hpl.hp.com wrote:
>> Scott in SoCal (scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
>> : So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A Jeep on
>> : the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
>> : to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
>> : go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
>> : just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
>> : could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he continues
>> : to sit there.
>>
>> : Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
>> : right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
>> : inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
>> : MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I was
>> : able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>>
>> : So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
>> : simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
>> Another common move I see here is those right-turners immediately going
>> into the fast lane and then plodding along. I think these people feel
>> it's "safer" not to be in the slow lane where other cars may be
>> entering from side streets. Another (bad) habit which is growing in
>> popularity is right turners yielding to oncoming left turners at a
>> green light when both want to turn into the same side street. I think
>> this is a (mistaken) carryover from left turn signals.
>>
>> Albert
>
> I'll do that if I am doing a RTOR and the oncoming traffic has a green
> arrow. Why? Simply because more often than not, the oncoming driver
> won't know or won't care that he is supposed to turn left lane to left
> lane, and I don't need a new driver's door ornament on my car. I could
> be assertive and push the issue, but people seem so adamant about their
> made-up rules of driving that it would likely end in a confrontation.
>
> nate
>
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792793 ] |
Fri, 01 February 2008 23:25 |
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But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane. The correct
procedure is to turn into the left lane and then signal a lane change to
the right, then proceed if safe.
nate
cryopete wrote:
> You are required to yield when doing a RTOR and the opposing traffic has
> a green arrow and the left turner in such a situation may end in any
> lane. It's the code.
>
>
>> ajeans [at] hpl.hp.com wrote:
>>
>>> Scott in SoCal (scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
>>> : So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A Jeep on
>>> : the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
>>> : to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
>>> : go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
>>> : just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
>>> : could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he continues
>>> : to sit there.
>>>
>>> : Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
>>> : right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
>>> : inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
>>> : MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I was
>>> : able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>>>
>>> : So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
>>> : simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
>>> Another common move I see here is those right-turners immediately going
>>> into the fast lane and then plodding along. I think these people feel
>>> it's "safer" not to be in the slow lane where other cars may be
>>> entering from side streets. Another (bad) habit which is growing in
>>> popularity is right turners yielding to oncoming left turners at a
>>> green light when both want to turn into the same side street. I think
>>> this is a (mistaken) carryover from left turn signals.
>>>
>>> Albert
>>
>>
>> I'll do that if I am doing a RTOR and the oncoming traffic has a green
>> arrow. Why? Simply because more often than not, the oncoming driver
>> won't know or won't care that he is supposed to turn left lane to left
>> lane, and I don't need a new driver's door ornament on my car. I
>> could be assertive and push the issue, but people seem so adamant
>> about their made-up rules of driving that it would likely end in a
>> confrontation.
>>
>> nate
>>
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| Left turn into left lane law or lack of law Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792794 ] |
Fri, 01 February 2008 23:31 |
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In article <fo06910e3b [at] news2.newsguy.com>,
Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote:
>But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane. The correct
>procedure is to turn into the left lane and then signal a lane change to
>the right, then proceed if safe.
Making a left turn into the left lane of the destination road is
required in some places but not others. Those visiting another
place may want to find out what the law on the subject is in that
place, or drive conservatively (i.e. always turn left into the left
lane, but not assume that anyone else will) if the law's status on
that is not known.
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| Re: Left turn into left lane law or lack of law Re: Moron Move ofthe Day [message #792796 ] |
Fri, 01 February 2008 23:53 |
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Timothy J. Lee wrote:
> In article <fo06910e3b [at] news2.newsguy.com>,
> Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote:
>
>>But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane. The correct
>>procedure is to turn into the left lane and then signal a lane change to
>>the right, then proceed if safe.
>
>
> Making a left turn into the left lane of the destination road is
> required in some places but not others. Those visiting another
> place may want to find out what the law on the subject is in that
> place, or drive conservatively (i.e. always turn left into the left
> lane, but not assume that anyone else will) if the law's status on
> that is not known.
>
I am sure that you can find places where this is not required (just as,
e.g. Maryland has no KRETP law) but that doesn't mean that people who
don't turn left to left aren't morons, just as people who don't KRETP
are morons, no matter where they live and/or are driving.
For the record, this *is* the law in Virginia, yet another law that is
blatantly ignored and never enforced.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-846
nate
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792798 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 00:04 |
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In CA a left turner may turn into any lane unless a) there are multiple
left turn lanes or b) someone is making an opposing right turn on a
green. Right turners must turn into the right most lane.
> But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane. The correct
> procedure is to turn into the left lane and then signal a lane change to
> the right, then proceed if safe.
>
> nate
>
> cryopete wrote:
>> You are required to yield when doing a RTOR and the opposing traffic
>> has a green arrow and the left turner in such a situation may end in
>> any lane. It's the code.
>>
>>
>>> ajeans [at] hpl.hp.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott in SoCal (scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
>>>> : So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A
>>>> Jeep on
>>>> : the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my right and comes
>>>> : to a stop. His light has just gone red, so obviously mine is about to
>>>> : go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn right, but instead of doing so he
>>>> : just sits there, waiting. Several seconds tick by, during which he
>>>> : could have made his right turn without conflict. However, he
>>>> continues
>>>> : to sit there.
>>>>
>>>> : Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
>>>> : right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds his
>>>> : inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at maybe 35
>>>> : MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was open so I
>>>> was
>>>> : able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>>>>
>>>> : So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are they
>>>> : simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
>>>> Another common move I see here is those right-turners immediately going
>>>> into the fast lane and then plodding along. I think these people feel
>>>> it's "safer" not to be in the slow lane where other cars may be
>>>> entering from side streets. Another (bad) habit which is growing in
>>>> popularity is right turners yielding to oncoming left turners at a
>>>> green light when both want to turn into the same side street. I think
>>>> this is a (mistaken) carryover from left turn signals.
>>>>
>>>> Albert
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll do that if I am doing a RTOR and the oncoming traffic has a
>>> green arrow. Why? Simply because more often than not, the oncoming
>>> driver won't know or won't care that he is supposed to turn left lane
>>> to left lane, and I don't need a new driver's door ornament on my
>>> car. I could be assertive and push the issue, but people seem so
>>> adamant about their made-up rules of driving that it would likely end
>>> in a confrontation.
>>>
>>> nate
>>>
>
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792802 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 02:22 |
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Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in
news:fo06910e3b [at] news2.newsguy.com:
> But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane.
What if they are going to immediately turn into a right-side parking lot or
driveway,like for a store or gas station?
Since THEY have the green light and you are required to yield to oncoming
traffic,you are in the wrong making a RTOR if they have a green turn
signal.
I always wait until the left-turning traffic has CLEARED before I do a
RTOR.I have no way of knowing what lane they need to be in.
(neither do you.)
In some places,there is a lighted LED sign that prohibits ROTR until after
the green left turn signal has gone red.When it goes out,THEN you can RTOR.
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at
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> The correct
> procedure is to turn into the left lane and then signal a lane change
> to the right, then proceed if safe.
>
> nate
>
> cryopete wrote:
>> You are required to yield when doing a RTOR and the opposing traffic
>> has a green arrow and the left turner in such a situation may end in
>> any lane. It's the code.
>>
>>
>>> ajeans [at] hpl.hp.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott in SoCal (scottenaztlan [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
>>>> : So I'm stopped at a red light in the rightmost through lane. A
>>>> : Jeep on the cross street pulls up to the intersection from my
>>>> : right and comes to a stop. His light has just gone red, so
>>>> : obviously mine is about to go green. Mr. Jeep wants to turn
>>>> : right, but instead of doing so he just sits there, waiting.
>>>> : Several seconds tick by, during which he could have made his
>>>> : right turn without conflict. However, he continues to sit there.
>>>>
>>>> : Then, JUST as my might goes green, Sloth Jeep *finally* makes his
>>>> : right turn - directly into my path. And, of course, he compounds
>>>> : his inanity by refusing to accelerate - he just plods along at
>>>> : maybe 35 MPH in a 60 MPH zone. Fortunately, the adjacent lane was
>>>> : open so I was able to avoid being stuck behind this jerk.
>>>>
>>>> : So are these people doing it on purpose to be assholes, or are
>>>> : they simply low on situational awareness? What do you think?
>>>> Another common move I see here is those right-turners immediately
>>>> going into the fast lane and then plodding along. I think these
>>>> people feel it's "safer" not to be in the slow lane where other
>>>> cars may be entering from side streets. Another (bad) habit which
>>>> is growing in popularity is right turners yielding to oncoming left
>>>> turners at a green light when both want to turn into the same side
>>>> street. I think this is a (mistaken) carryover from left turn
>>>> signals.
>>>>
>>>> Albert
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll do that if I am doing a RTOR and the oncoming traffic has a
>>> green arrow. Why? Simply because more often than not, the oncoming
>>> driver won't know or won't care that he is supposed to turn left
>>> lane to left lane, and I don't need a new driver's door ornament on
>>> my car. I could be assertive and push the issue, but people seem so
>>> adamant about their made-up rules of driving that it would likely
>>> end in a confrontation.
>>>
>>> nate
>>>
>
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792804 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 02:42 |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
> Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in
> news:fo06910e3b [at] news2.newsguy.com:
>
>
>>But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane.
>
>
> What if they are going to immediately turn into a right-side parking lot or
> driveway,like for a store or gas station?
> Since THEY have the green light and you are required to yield to oncoming
> traffic,you are in the wrong making a RTOR if they have a green turn
> signal.
In a typical scenario, there aren't any driveways, cross streets, etc.
for a block or more. And yet people still turn directly into the right
lane, more often than not.
>
> I always wait until the left-turning traffic has CLEARED before I do a
> RTOR.I have no way of knowing what lane they need to be in.
> (neither do you.)
>
I do know what is legally required and what is cited at every "defensive
driving" course I've attended (which seems to be required for every job
I've ever had that involves driving.)
> In some places,there is a lighted LED sign that prohibits ROTR until after
> the green left turn signal has gone red.When it goes out,THEN you can RTOR.
I've seen those, but not often and not around here.
nate
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792811 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 03:11 |
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| Re: Left turn into left lane law or lack of law Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792817 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 03:42 |
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In article <fo07u20gj4 [at] news2.newsguy.com>, Nate Nagel wrote:
> Timothy J. Lee wrote:
>> In article <fo06910e3b [at] news2.newsguy.com>,
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote:
>>
>>>But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane. The correct
>>>procedure is to turn into the left lane and then signal a lane change to
>>>the right, then proceed if safe.
>>
>>
>> Making a left turn into the left lane of the destination road is
>> required in some places but not others. Those visiting another
>> place may want to find out what the law on the subject is in that
>> place, or drive conservatively (i.e. always turn left into the left
>> lane, but not assume that anyone else will) if the law's status on
>> that is not known.
>>
>
> I am sure that you can find places where this is not required (just as,
> e.g. Maryland has no KRETP law) but that doesn't mean that people who
> don't turn left to left aren't morons, just as people who don't KRETP
> are morons, no matter where they live and/or are driving.
I wish the camera had caught it....
I am NB approaching a cross street. I want to turn left (WB) and enter
the left turn lane... someone WB guns it and turns SB across my path, as
I am reaching the end of the turn lane and about to turn another driver
decides to pull out from the east side of the intersection to turn SB. I
see the asshat pulling out on a collision course and sound the horn.
Asshat decides waiting is too much, he turns sharply south bound.... in
the left NORTH BOUND lane. He passes by me on my right heading SOUTH and
then I suppose crosses over to the south bound lanes. I didn't follow him
my mirrors, just made the turn and got out of there....
This is not the first time I've seen this idiotcy and more at this
intersection where there have been numerous collisions I've also see the
aftermath of. the intersection should be designed better, but damn,
anyone who's not a moron should be able to get through it without much
problem.
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792831 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 10:29 |
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"Nate Nagel" <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in message
news:fo06910e3b [at] news2.newsguy.com...
> But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane. The correct
> procedure is to turn into the left lane and then signal a lane change to
> the right, then proceed if safe.
Actually, in California, they CAN [left] turn directly into the right lane;
it's permitted. Granted, other states do not allow such, so what you
suggest is the only legal way of left-turning there.
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792837 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 15:38 |
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Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in
news:fo0hpe015bc [at] news2.newsguy.com:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in
>> news:fo06910e3b [at] news2.newsguy.com:
>>
>>
>>>But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane.
>>
>>
>> What if they are going to immediately turn into a right-side parking
>> lot or driveway,like for a store or gas station?
>> Since THEY have the green light and you are required to yield to
>> oncoming traffic,you are in the wrong making a RTOR if they have a
>> green turn signal.
>
> In a typical scenario, there aren't any driveways, cross streets, etc.
> for a block or more.
"typical"??
it seems like EVERY corner has a gas station or 7-11 that has a driveway
~10 ft from the corner.
of course,I live in the "land of strip malls". 8-)
> And yet people still turn directly into the
> right lane, more often than not.
They are probably used to making WIDE turns.
It must be too hard for them to turn the steering wheel a bit more,or
they're afraid of spilling their latte.
>
>>
>> I always wait until the left-turning traffic has CLEARED before I do
>> a RTOR.I have no way of knowing what lane they need to be in.
>> (neither do you.)
AFA I am concerned,they have the right-of-way.
I can afford to wait a few seconds more.
>>
>
> I do know what is legally required and what is cited at every
> "defensive driving" course I've attended (which seems to be required
> for every job I've ever had that involves driving.)
What they write in books[or teach in driving courses] doesn't always apply
practically in real life.
>
>
>> In some places,there is a lighted LED sign that prohibits ROTR until
>> after the green left turn signal has gone red.When it goes out,THEN
>> you can RTOR.
>
> I've seen those, but not often and not around here.
>
> nate
I'd like to see more of them...but police wouldn't enforce them
anyways....police truly are F-ing USELESS.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792839 ] |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
> Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in
> news:fo0hpe015bc [at] news2.newsguy.com:
>
>
>>Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in
>>>news:fo06910e3b [at] news2.newsguy.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>But they shouldn't turn straight into the right lane.
>>>
>>>
>>>What if they are going to immediately turn into a right-side parking
>>>lot or driveway,like for a store or gas station?
>>>Since THEY have the green light and you are required to yield to
>>>oncoming traffic,you are in the wrong making a RTOR if they have a
>>>green turn signal.
>>
>>In a typical scenario, there aren't any driveways, cross streets, etc.
>>for a block or more.
>
>
> "typical"??
> it seems like EVERY corner has a gas station or 7-11 that has a driveway
> ~10 ft from the corner.
>
> of course,I live in the "land of strip malls". 8-)
I'm so sorry...
we have some of that around here as well, but there are a lot of major
intersections that (perhaps deliberately) have no entrances etc. close
to the intersection. Even in urban areas, unless there's a gas station
on the corner. A lot of times there'll be a storefront right up on the
sidewalk, so you'll have to park on a side street or behind the building
- no driveway on the main road.
>
>
>>And yet people still turn directly into the
>>right lane, more often than not.
>
>
> They are probably used to making WIDE turns.
>
> It must be too hard for them to turn the steering wheel a bit more,or
> they're afraid of spilling their latte.
Actually, I have noticed this... I think people turn in *too early* and
end up running wide because they haven't figured out the proper line to
take through a corner. I hate double-left-turn lanes for this reason;
often the driver in the outside lane will turn in too early while I'm
taking the correct line, so I'll have to brake hard (or get sideswiped)
to let him drift into my "lane" and back out again.
Even when people *are* turning into the leftmost lane, I will see them
make a gradual turn starting almost as soon as they pass the stop line,
then as they're past the median suddenly crank over the wheel a lot
harder to avoid drifting wide.
In this context, I'm defining the "proper" line as one that allows
pretty much binary steering input - wheel is pointed straight ahead,
then turned to the left and held in the same position throughout the
turn, then returned to straight ahead, without entering the right lane
on the destination street. Thus, on, say, a four lane road, one
shouldn't really begin to turn at all until one is past the second
through lane and entering the left turn lane for cross traffic as one is
proceeding through the intersection. Otherwise one will have to use
more steering input at the end of one's turn where one really wants to
be using *less* if possible as one will also want to accelerate at the
same time.
Even when the local authorities paint dashed lines right on the road
surface *defining* the proper line through a multi-lane left turn,
people still get it wrong. (shakes head.)
>
>>>I always wait until the left-turning traffic has CLEARED before I do
>>>a RTOR.I have no way of knowing what lane they need to be in.
>>>(neither do you.)
>
> AFA I am concerned,they have the right-of-way.
> I can afford to wait a few seconds more.
>
>
>>I do know what is legally required and what is cited at every
>>"defensive driving" course I've attended (which seems to be required
>>for every job I've ever had that involves driving.)
>
>
> What they write in books[or teach in driving courses] doesn't always apply
> practically in real life.
Of course not. I've found that most of what is taught assumes that
everyone else on the road is playing by the rules, and more often than
not *nobody* is playing by the rules.
>
>>
>>>In some places,there is a lighted LED sign that prohibits ROTR until
>>>after the green left turn signal has gone red.When it goes out,THEN
>>>you can RTOR.
>>
>>I've seen those, but not often and not around here.
>>
>>nate
>
>
> I'd like to see more of them...but police wouldn't enforce them
> anyways....police truly are F-ing USELESS.
What would be the point, unless there was some kind of weird setup where
you have a two-lane road and oncoming traffic has a green left turn
arrow but traffic in your direction does not? (that is, you would have
no way of knowing that oncoming traffic has a left turn arrow?)
Personally, I'm more in favor of *permitting* more traffic movements and
relying on the drivers to make the decisions as to whether a particular
movement is safe and legal or not. Oh, and Draconian punishments for
those whose judgement or knowledge of the law is flawed, since that's
the only way that that would work. Road capacity is so precious around
here that farther restricting throughput is seriously undesirable.
nate
--
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http://members.cox.net/njnagel
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| Re: Moron Move of the Day [message #792847 ] |
Sat, 02 February 2008 19:56 |
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Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in
news:fo20dg09l3 [at] news2.newsguy.com:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote in
>> news:fo0hpe015bc [at] news2.newsguy.com:
>>
>>
>>>Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>>In some places,there is a lighted LED sign that prohibits ROTR until
>>>>after the green left turn signal has gone red.When it goes out,THEN
>>>>you can RTOR.
>>>
>>>I've seen those, but not often and not around here.
>>>
>>>nate
>>
>>
>> I'd like to see more of them...but police wouldn't enforce them
>> anyways....police truly are F-ing USELESS.
>
> What would be the point, unless there was some kind of weird setup
> where you have a two-lane road and oncoming traffic has a green left
> turn arrow but traffic in your direction does not? (that is, you
> would have no way of knowing that oncoming traffic has a left turn
> arrow?)
>
> Personally, I'm more in favor of *permitting* more traffic movements
> and relying on the drivers to make the decisions as to whether a
> particular movement is safe and legal or not. Oh, and Draconian
> punishments for those whose judgement or knowledge of the law is
> flawed, since that's the only way that that would work.
> Road capacity
> is so precious around here that farther restricting throughput is
> seriously undesirable.
Ditto in Orlando.
>
> nate
>
Here in Orlando,there are many double left-turn-lane intersections,and RTOR
drivers often pull out in front of cars turning left in the outermost left
turn lane,even when the LTurners are IN the middle of the intersection.
I've had several close calls because of that.If I had wanted to,I could
have T-boned several of them,instead of braking.
More often than not,when you leave the decisions up to the drivers,they opt
for screwing the other guy.(MFFY)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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