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General » rec.autos.driving » It's not MY fault
| It's not MY fault [message #792092] |
Wed, 23 January 2008 19:58 |
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Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. Overheard from
a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
"My car is TOTALED! There was nothing I could do! She made a dead stop
right in front of me! I didn't see her until I hit her!"
Then, OBVIOUSLY you were driving too fast for the road and/or conditions if
that was the case. Like for whatever reason, she shouldn't have stopped so
that you couldn't have hit her. Huh?!?!? That's like saying "The car
shouldn't have been in the intersection going through their green light,
because then I wouldn't have hit them while I was blowing through the red!"
DUH!!!!
John B.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792106 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 01:14 |
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John B. wrote:
>Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. Overheard from
>a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
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>"My car is TOTALED! There was nothing I could do! She made a dead stop
>right in front of me! I didn't see her until I hit her!"
The woman she hit must have been driving a stealth bus. =))
Too bad it didn't kill the stupid bitch.
>Then, OBVIOUSLY you were driving too fast for the road and/or conditions if
>that was the case. Like for whatever reason, she shouldn't have stopped so
>that you couldn't have hit her. Huh?!?!? That's like saying "The car
>shouldn't have been in the intersection going through their green light,
>because then I wouldn't have hit them while I was blowing through the red!"
>DUH!!!!
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>John B.
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Half drunk is a waste of money.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792159 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 16:40 |
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> Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. Overheard from
> a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
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> "My car is TOTALED! There was nothing I could do! She made a dead stop
> right in front of me! I didn't see her until I hit her!"
> Then, OBVIOUSLY you were driving too fast for the road and/or conditions if
> that was the case. Like for whatever reason, she shouldn't have stopped so
> that you couldn't have hit her.
That's not always correct. If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
road.
I saw such a Sloth yesterday. It was in the middle lane and holding up
traffic. The Sloth suddenly locked-up the brakes, skidded into another
lane, and stopped in front of a truck. Drivers were swerving around on
both sides, and the Sloth was almost rammed by several drivers.
Another problem is the LLBing Sloths that swerve in front of the
right-lane traffic and then try to stop, and also the Sloths that pull
out from intersecting streets and stop in front of the approaching traffic.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792162 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 17:06 |
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"Alexander Rogge" <a_rogge [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5vrprfF1n3jv1U1 [at] mid.individual.net...
> > Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. Overheard
from
> > a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
> >
> > "My car is TOTALED! There was nothing I could do! She made a dead stop
> > right in front of me! I didn't see her until I hit her!"
>
> > Then, OBVIOUSLY you were driving too fast for the road and/or conditions
if
> > that was the case. Like for whatever reason, she shouldn't have stopped
so
> > that you couldn't have hit her.
>
> That's not always correct. If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
> legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
> road.
>
I thought the driver that rear-ends another vehicle is always at fault. No
matter the circumstances. If someone just makes a dead stop in the middle
of the road for no reason - yes, they're a frickin' moron. But if you hit
them, you were driving too close to be able to react and do the same. And
hopefully, the cars behind YOU are paying attention!
Never assume ANYTHING while driving and always expect the unexpected.
That's why I've never rear-ended anyone. Even if they WERE stopped in the
middle of the road.
John B.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792163 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 17:12 |
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792164 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 17:19 |
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On Jan 24, 11:12=A0am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:40:30 +0000, Alexander Rogge
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> <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. =A0Overhea=
rd from
> >> a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
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> >> "My car is TOTALED! =A0There was nothing I could do! =A0She made a dead=
stop
> >> right in front of me! =A0I didn't see her until I hit her!"
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> >> Then, OBVIOUSLY you were driving too fast for the road and/or condition=
s if
> >> that was the case. =A0Like for whatever reason, she shouldn't have stop=
ped so
> >> that you couldn't have hit her.
>
> >That's not always correct. =A0If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
> >legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
> >road.
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> No, it's the fault of the idiot that was following too closely.
>
> A defensive driver ALWAYS leaves himself an out. The car in front of
> you might stop suddenly for any number of reasons - a dog (or a kid)
> might run out into the road. A boulder might fall down from the
> adjacent slope (this actually happened on PCH a couple of weeks ago).
> If you rear-end someone, the only time it is NOT your fault is if the
> guy cuts in front of you and then immediately slams on his brakes,
> like the swoop and squat insurance scam.
I've had that happen to me more than a few times. I don't think that
all of them are scammers, they're just people not looking far enough
ahead. "Let me get around this guy driving really slow...
vroooooom.... OH S**T THERE'S ANOTHER CAR IN FRONT OF HIM!" I
haven't hit any of these morons (yet, knock on wood) but they do try
pretty hard sometimes.
I also love the idiots that will see you sitting at the stop line at a
green light because there is nowhere for you to go, pass you in the
other lane, cut in front of you within the intersection, and then stop
in the middle of the box. Or worse yet, do this to you while your
heading for the last open car-space on the other side of the
intersection, so YOU look like the idiot hanging out in the middle of
the intersection...
nate
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792165 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 17:29 |
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On Jan 24, 8:19=A0am, N8N <njna... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:12=A0am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:40:30 +0000, Alexander Rogge
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> > <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. =A0Overh=
eard from
> > >> a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
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> > >> "My car is TOTALED! =A0There was nothing I could do! =A0She made a de=
ad stop
> > >> right in front of me! =A0I didn't see her until I hit her!"
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> > >> Then, OBVIOUSLY you were driving too fast for the road and/or conditi=
ons if
> > >> that was the case. =A0Like for whatever reason, she shouldn't have st=
opped so
> > >> that you couldn't have hit her.
>
> > >That's not always correct. =A0If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
> > >legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in th=
e
> > >road.
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> > No, it's the fault of the idiot that was following too closely.
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> > A defensive driver ALWAYS leaves himself an out. The car in front of
> > you might stop suddenly for any number of reasons - a dog (or a kid)
> > might run out into the road. A boulder might fall down from the
> > adjacent slope (this actually happened on PCH a couple of weeks ago).
> > If you rear-end someone, the only time it is NOT your fault is if the
> > guy cuts in front of you and then immediately slams on his brakes,
> > like the swoop and squat insurance scam.
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> I've had that happen to me more than a few times. =A0I don't think that
> all of them are scammers, they're just people not looking far enough
> ahead. =A0"Let me get around this guy driving really slow...
> vroooooom.... =A0OH S**T THERE'S ANOTHER CAR IN FRONT OF HIM!" =A0I
> haven't hit any of these morons (yet, knock on wood) but they do try
> pretty hard sometimes.
>
> I also love the idiots that will see you sitting at the stop line at a
> green light because there is nowhere for you to go, pass you in the
> other lane, cut in front of you within the intersection, and then stop
> in the middle of the box.
<snip>
I had one pull that on me in Lewiston, was behind me coming up to the
stop light, moved into the right hand lane, light turns green, he
enters a very short merge lane (2 lane into one) across the
intersection then cut into the only lane ahead of me. No problem
except 1/2 block later he stopped all traffic so he could make a left
turn into a parking lot.
Harry K
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792170 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 17:42 |
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On Jan 23, 11:58 am, "John B." <j... [at] computac.com> wrote:
> Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. Overheard from
> a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
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> "My car is TOTALED! There was nothing I could do! She made a dead stop
> right in front of me! I didn't see her until I hit her!"
>
What if a kid had run out in front of the car. You have to make a dead
stop. Those behind should always allow for that possibility but they
never do.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792174 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 18:21 |
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In article <1201190873.516457 [at] nfs-db1.segnet.com>, John B. wrote:
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> "Alexander Rogge" <a_rogge [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5vrprfF1n3jv1U1 [at] mid.individual.net...
>> > Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. Overheard
> from
>> > a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
>> >
>> > "My car is TOTALED! There was nothing I could do! She made a dead stop
>> > right in front of me! I didn't see her until I hit her!"
>>
>> > Then, OBVIOUSLY you were driving too fast for the road and/or conditions
> if
>> > that was the case. Like for whatever reason, she shouldn't have stopped
> so
>> > that you couldn't have hit her.
>>
>> That's not always correct. If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
>> legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
>> road.
>>
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> I thought the driver that rear-ends another vehicle is always at fault. No
> matter the circumstances. If someone just makes a dead stop in the middle
> of the road for no reason - yes, they're a frickin' moron. But if you hit
> them, you were driving too close to be able to react and do the same. And
> hopefully, the cars behind YOU are paying attention!
>
> Never assume ANYTHING while driving and always expect the unexpected.
> That's why I've never rear-ended anyone. Even if they WERE stopped in the
> middle of the road.
Guess you haven't had someone change lanes 3 feet in front of you and
then NAIL the brakes for a full decel stop.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792188 ] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 23:10 |
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On Jan 24, 10:12 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you rear-end someone, the only time it is NOT your fault is if the
> guy cuts in front of you and then immediately slams on his brakes,
> like the swoop and squat insurance scam.
Oh, hell ... and here I thought it was just a mechanical failure when
a brake line broke and I wasn't able to effectively use two-wheel
braking on a wet surface.
Back to self-flagellation, I guess.
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C.R.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792206 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 02:17 |
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Brent P wrote:
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>Guess you haven't had someone change lanes 3 feet in front of you and
>then NAIL the brakes for a full decel stop.
If someone does that, I will get an "at fault" ticket for that.
But I'm also not going to bother to hit the brakes, and, with luck,
that's the last time the idiot will pull such a maneuver.
--
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792216 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 03:47 |
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792229 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 05:41 |
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>> If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
>> legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
>> road.
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> No, it's the fault of the idiot that was following too closely.
The Sloth should be at fault for being stupid, and then slithering away
from the mess that it caused.
> A defensive driver ALWAYS leaves himself an out.
Drivers should not suddenly stop in the road for no legitimate reason.
Drivers should react to the same hazard at about the same time. It is
when drivers react to brake lamps instead of the actual hazards that the
crashes often occur.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792231 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 05:51 |
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On Jan 23, 12:58 pm, "John B." <j... [at] computac.com> wrote:
I suggest "It's not MY fault" as the official motto of r.a.d.
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- gpsman
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792239 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 07:06 |
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In article <fviip35i124b0h7regao5ajn4b7mno7nem [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Give me a break. I have owned over a dozen cars, including at least a
> half-dozen Illinois Beaters that were so rusted out they had NO
> FLOORPANS. Several of them had more than 100,000 miles on the
> odometer. Some of them burned a quart of oil per tank of gas, knocked
> like a coffe can full of marbles because they had 11:1 compression and
> were running on regular unleaded gas, and I've even had one engine
> that completely siezed up because I blew a radiator hose but kept
> right on driving it (hoping to reach my destination before it died).
> However, I have NEVER had my brakes fail. EVER.
I've had at least three brake failures I can think of off the top of my
head. The first was when a hose broke on my '75. I was still learning
things rapidly back then.... thankfully it was where I had to go through
standing water so I had allowed a lot of extra braking distance (the
drums get wet and they lose braking ability) In fact I thought that it
was the drums being wet. When it didn't go away I started looking for a
problem.
Another was when the brake line on my 73 that goes from the front to the
rear developed a pin hole leak on the side that is totally blind and
hidden from inspection. The pedal went to the floor as I was putting it
in another parking place where I could work on it.
The third was maybe a year and half ago. Another hidden pin hole leak,
this time in a line running along the axle. Again the side I couldn't see
in an inspection. I carry brake fluid in the car and drove home slowly.
Then there was one this past summer, a rear wheel cylinder went on me...
although that doesn't really count because there was really no loss of
braking capacity, just a puddle of brake fluid in the garage under the
tire....
> Brakes are one of the most reliable systems on a car. The chances of
> even a partial failure are infinitesimally small. And, if they do,
> then I still say it's still your fault because you obviously didn't
> maintain your vehicle very well. :)
You must have been rather lucky, that's all I can say. I had to REPLACE
all the brake lines to the rear brakes on the torqueless wonder car
because they rusted through. I've replaced a lot of brake lines in my
life and I'm not that old and I don't work on cars for a living.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792246 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 15:05 |
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On Jan 24, 9:47 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:10:13 -0800 (PST), Motorhead Lawyer
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> <88.53... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 24, 10:12 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> If you rear-end someone, the only time it is NOT your fault is if the
> >> guy cuts in front of you and then immediately slams on his brakes,
> >> like the swoop and squat insurance scam.
>
> >Oh, hell ... and here I thought it was just a mechanical failure when
> >a brake line broke and I wasn't able to effectively use two-wheel
> >braking on a wet surface.
>
> Give me a break. I have owned over a dozen cars, including at least a
> half-dozen Illinois Beaters that were so rusted out they had NO
> FLOORPANS. Several of them had more than 100,000 miles on the
> odometer. Some of them burned a quart of oil per tank of gas, knocked
> like a coffe can full of marbles because they had 11:1 compression and
> were running on regular unleaded gas, and I've even had one engine
> that completely siezed up because I blew a radiator hose but kept
> right on driving it (hoping to reach my destination before it died).
> However, I have NEVER had my brakes fail. EVER.
>
> Brakes are one of the most reliable systems on a car. The chances of
> even a partial failure are infinitesimally small. And, if they do,
> then I still say it's still your fault because you obviously didn't
> maintain your vehicle very well. :)
> --
> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
> DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com"
I bought an 85 Firebird in 95. The brakes failed on the way home.
The car had been sitting, and the brakes worked during the "systems
check" before I drove the car home. The fuel lines were rusted, and
apparently the "stress" of checking them in the sellers driveway was
all that it took - first time I tried to apply them on the road the
pedal went to the floor with no result.
Interestingly enough, I drove the car like that for 3 months without
incident until my dad discovered the lack of brakes. Being older,
wiser and more financially secure now I wouldn't' do it again, but
safe driving practices allowed me to avoid an accident with
downshifting being my only brake (parking brake was toast as well). I
wouldn't have taken it into Boston traffic, but it did OK for the
suburbs.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792253 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 16:24 |
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792255 ] |
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792258 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 16:40 |
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On Jan 24, 11:51=A0pm, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 12:58 pm, "John B." <j... [at] computac.com> wrote:
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> I suggest "It's not MY fault" as the official motto of r.a.d.
I suggest "gpsman can DIAF" instead.
Please give cites of any instance when a regular poster has been
involved in any kind of collision and ever tried to absolve himself of
responsibility (unless he clearly was not responsible.)
I can tell you for a fact that you're not going to find one from me,
as the only instance where I've ever made an insurance claim on one of
my vehicles was when the Fabulous BeaterPorsche was hit while parked
at the curb in front of my house.
As usual, your posts show no substance or evidence of any critical
thought, and instead you're simply trying to stir up trouble by being
inflammatory, insulting, and derogatory without any reason to be so.
We see right through you; get help.
nate
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792260 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 17:05 |
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On Jan 24, 6:47=A0pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:10:13 -0800 (PST), Motorhead Lawyer
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> <88.53... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 24, 10:12 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> If you rear-end someone, the only time it is NOT your fault is if the
> >> guy cuts in front of you and then immediately slams on his brakes,
> >> like the swoop and squat insurance scam.
>
> >Oh, hell ... and here I thought it was just a mechanical failure when
> >a brake line broke and I wasn't able to effectively use two-wheel
> >braking on a wet surface.
>
> Give me a break. I have owned over a dozen cars, including at least a
> half-dozen Illinois Beaters that were so rusted out they had NO
> FLOORPANS. Several of them had more than 100,000 miles on the
> odometer. Some of them burned a quart of oil per tank of gas, knocked
> like a coffe can full of marbles because they had 11:1 compression and
> were running on regular unleaded gas, and I've even had one engine
> that completely siezed up because I blew a radiator hose but kept
> right on driving it (hoping to reach my destination before it died).
> However, I have NEVER had my brakes fail. EVER.
>
> Brakes are one of the most reliable systems on a car. The chances of
> even a partial failure are infinitesimally small. And, if they do,
> then I still say it's still your fault because you obviously didn't
> maintain your vehicle very well. :)
> --
> Please don't give financial rewards to trolls -
> DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com"
I've had one failure since 1951 but it was expected and I drove some
real beaters also - ones that would have had the reg pulled by a cop
if I had been stopped. The one failure was on a new (to me) old F250
with a leaking master cylinder. I was aware of it and was on the way
to Lewiston to have my brother fix it (head mechanic at a ford
dealer). Last hint of brakes was just before I reached the top the
Lewiston, Id hill on US 95. That is about 2,000 ft, 6 percent grade
for 6 miles. Lots of truck escape routes and I was eyeballing each
one. Got to his house and he told me to follow him via back streets
to the shop. I swear he hit every stop sign in both Clarkston and
Lewiston before getting there.
So, Yes, I had a failure but No it wasn't a surprise.
Harry K
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792261 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 17:14 |
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In article <fcvjp35atckct3k00r0jhepvjh27k4k5lm [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:06:52 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS [at] yahoo.com
> (Brent P) wrote:
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>>I've had at least three brake failures I can think of off the top of my
>>head.
> You truly have a Black Cloud hanging over your head.
No, my parents' neighbor has had at least two brake failures that I know
of. I helped him fix one of them...
Hell, even the girl I worked with, who was driving a ten year old mercury
that was her grandfather's car, had a line go on her.
>>> Brakes are one of the most reliable systems on a car. The chances of
>>> even a partial failure are infinitesimally small. And, if they do,
>>> then I still say it's still your fault because you obviously didn't
>>> maintain your vehicle very well. :)
>>You must have been rather lucky, that's all I can say.
> Yeah, me, everyone in my family, and everyone that I know have never
> had this particular misfortune, so we must all be extraordinarily
> lucky.
If you all are driving beaters like described. Do you even keep a car for
a decade scott? People I know keep cars to the bitter end.
>>I had to REPLACE
>>all the brake lines to the rear brakes on the torqueless wonder car
>>because they rusted through.
> Thanks for reinforcing my point. Yes, had you not performed this
> essential maintenance on your car there might well have been a brake
> failure. However, because you performed the necessary repairs, no
> failure actually occurred.
The failure did occur. It just occured in the driveway. And it wasn't my
car at the time.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792262 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 17:54 |
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On Jan 25, 11:14=A0am, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com (Brent P)
wrote:
> In article <fcvjp35atckct3k00r0jhepvjh27k4k... [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wr=
ote:
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:06:52 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVET... [at] yahoo.com
> > (Brent P) wrote:
>
> >>I've had at least three brake failures I can think of off the top of my
> >>head.
> > You truly have a Black Cloud hanging over your head.
>
> No, my parents' neighbor has had at least two brake failures that I know
> of. I helped him fix one of them...
>
> Hell, even the girl I worked with, who was driving a ten year old mercury
> that was her grandfather's car, had a line go on her.
>
> >>> Brakes are one of the most reliable systems on a car. The chances of
> >>> even a partial failure are infinitesimally small. And, if they do,
> >>> then I still say it's still your fault because you obviously didn't
> >>> maintain your vehicle very well. :)
> >>You must have been rather lucky, that's all I can say.
> > Yeah, me, everyone in my family, and everyone that I know have never
> > had this particular misfortune, so we must all be extraordinarily
> > lucky.
>
> If you all are driving beaters like described. Do you even keep a car for
> a decade scott? People I know keep cars to the bitter end.
>
> >>I had to REPLACE
> >>all the brake lines to the rear brakes on the torqueless wonder car
> >>because they rusted through.
> > Thanks for reinforcing my point. Yes, had you not performed this
> > essential maintenance on your car there might well have been a brake
> > failure. However, because you performed the necessary repairs, no
> > failure actually occurred.
>
> The failure did occur. It just occured in the driveway. And it wasn't my
> car at the time.
I can say that I have had a brake failure as well; was driving my then-
girlfriend's car. It seems to be far more common in cars that have
spent their lives in the Rust Belt. The car was a 15 year old Monte
Carlo that had spent most of its life in the Cleveland area. It
appeared to be sound, but one of the main brake lines broke as I was
backing out of a steep driveway.
The car was disposed of later that year as the frame was also found to
be rusty.
nate
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792272 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 20:11 |
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On Jan 24, 7:40=A0am, Alexander Rogge <a_ro... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Just gotta love how some people justify their car accidents. =A0Overhear=
d from
> > a woman at a local diner today at lunch.
>
> > "My car is TOTALED! =A0There was nothing I could do! =A0She made a dead =
stop
> > right in front of me! =A0I didn't see her until I hit her!"
> > Then, OBVIOUSLY you were driving too fast for the road and/or conditions=
if
> > that was the case. =A0Like for whatever reason, she shouldn't have stopp=
ed so
> > that you couldn't have hit her.
>
> That's not always correct. =A0If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
> legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
> road.
>
> I saw such a Sloth yesterday. =A0It was in the middle lane and holding up
> traffic. =A0The Sloth suddenly locked-up the brakes, skidded into another
> lane, and stopped in front of a truck. =A0Drivers were swerving around on
> both sides, and the Sloth was almost rammed by several drivers.
>
> Another problem is the LLBing Sloths that swerve in front of the
> right-lane traffic and then try to stop, and also the Sloths that pull
> out from intersecting streets and stop in front of the approaching traffic=
..
Obviously, you stopped and gave your name and address to theose in the
accident. During that time did you hear the front driver eplain what
happened? Peerhaps a right-rear brake shoe grabbed.
Don't give us just paart of the story.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792274 ] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 20:21 |
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On Jan 25, 7:40=A0am, N8N <njna... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:51=A0pm, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jan 23, 12:58 pm, "John B." <j... [at] computac.com> wrote:
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> > I suggest "It's not MY fault" as the official motto of r.a.d.
>
> I suggest "gpsman can DIAF" instead.
>
> Please give cites of any instance when a regular poster has been
> involved in any kind of collision and ever tried to absolve himself of
> responsibility (unless he clearly was not responsible.)
>
> I can tell you for a fact that you're not going to find one from me,
> as the only instance where I've ever made an insurance claim on one of
> my vehicles was when the Fabulous BeaterPorsche was hit while parked
> at the curb in front of my house.
>
> As usual, your posts show no substance or evidence of any critical
> thought, and instead you're simply trying to stir up trouble by being
> inflammatory, insulting, and derogatory without any reason to be so.
> We see right through you; get help.
>
> nate
No one expects anything fair or logical from SADDAM.
If something seems to make sense, we re-read it.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792295 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 02:48 |
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On Jan 24, 8:47 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:10:13 -0800 (PST), Motorhead Lawyer
>
> <88.53... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 24, 10:12 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> If you rear-end someone, the only time it is NOT your fault is if the
> >> guy cuts in front of you and then immediately slams on his brakes,
> >> like the swoop and squat insurance scam.
>
> >Oh, hell ... and here I thought it was just a mechanical failure when
> >a brake line broke and I wasn't able to effectively use two-wheel
> >braking on a wet surface.
>
> Give me a break. I have owned over a dozen cars, including at least a
> half-dozen Illinois Beaters that were so rusted out they had NO
> FLOORPANS. Several of them had more than 100,000 miles on the
> odometer. Some of them burned a quart of oil per tank of gas, knocked
> like a coffe can full of marbles because they had 11:1 compression and
> were running on regular unleaded gas, and I've even had one engine
> that completely siezed up because I blew a radiator hose but kept
> right on driving it (hoping to reach my destination before it died).
> However, I have NEVER had my brakes fail. EVER.
Lucky you.
> Brakes are one of the most reliable systems on a car. The chances of
> even a partial failure are infinitesimally small. And, if they do,
> then I still say it's still your fault because you obviously didn't
> maintain your vehicle very well. :)
Apparently, moving to the Left Coast has softened your brain so that
you do not remember the white winter roads of Cleveland, Ohio, that do
nasty things to metal brake lines. Lucky you.
FWIW, had the surface not been wet at the time, I would have managed a
stop with only the two remaining brakes. I would show you the math
but - you are beneath my dignity. Lucky you.
--
C.R. Krieger
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792312 ] |
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792329 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 07:29 |
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> Have you ever seen the movie "Disturbia?"
> In the first few minutes of the movie, a man and his son are driving
> home from a fishing trip. As they are talking in the car, an SUV
> passes them. After the pass, the son (who is driving) starts
> tailgating the SUV, which completely blocks his view of the road
> ahead. After a few minutes, the SUV suddenly swerves to the left to
> reveal a broken-down car blocking the lane. Because the kid was
> tailgating the SUV, he had no time to react and he rammed the stalled
> car at full speed, launching himself and his father into the air and
> flipping the car over onto its roof. A pickup truck coming from the
> other direction then crashes into them, killing the father.
>
> Who is at fault for this collision?
It's the fault of those stupid SUV developers that sell cars that you
can't see around when you're parked next to them or driving behind them.
It may also be the fault of the pick-up driver for not anticipating
the hazard. If I see a stalled car in the lane on the other side of the
road, I slow down and try to accommodate anybody who may cross the
centre line to pass.
Of course, maybe the tailgater is another one of those drivers that
doesn't like other drivers in front of him. There was another CLB
yesterday that was happy blocking the centre lane and two drivers. As
one driver started tailgating, the CLB stepped on the brakes and tried
to slow down, until somebody moved in front. Then the CLB started
honking and flashing its headlamps. There was no traffic in the lane
ahead of it, and the right lane was open. What is it that they don't
understand about Keep Right Except To Pass?
There was also another merge-impaired driver yesterday that pulled in
front of me at 20 below my speed. I moved left to pass and the Sloth
started honking at me. What was the problem, except its failure to
accelerate to the speed of traffic? They don't want other people in
front of them, but they seem to like holding up everybody else.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792330 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 07:30 |
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In article <jrflp3dv08kodedgenmftnet1akmeacdmo [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:48:01 -0800 (PST), Motorhead Lawyer
><88.535is [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 24, 8:47 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> However, I have NEVER had my brakes fail. EVER.
>>
>>Lucky you.
>
> Yeah, to hear all of you guys talk, I must be the luckiest man alive.
>
> Maybe I'll run out and buy a lottery ticket...
Scott, I crawl under my cars to inspect the brake lines... any hint of
rust I will paint the line with whatever expensive rust inhibiting paint
I have on hand. Stuff like POR15, eastwood products, etc.* Still, I have
had pin holes develop in spots that I could not inspect nor treat. On the
73, a pin hole developed on the back side of the line that runs in the
drive shaft tunnel to the rear of the car. The line to all visual
inspection looked perfect. It ran next to the fuel line and upon removal
I found that rust developed along that side of the brake line only,
invisible to me.
*I'd imagine someone might advise me against this practice, but it has
worked well for me. I've not yet had a line fail where I could and did
treat the rust soon enough. *knock on wood* The only time I've replaced a
line that I have previously painted is when I've replaced a hose or line
attached to it. Either as a 'while I was there' or the fitting had
rusted to the line so I ended up just braking the line to get things
apart despite my best efforts to free the fitting. That said, I tend to
put large globs of grease on brake line fittings when I am in there. The
grease eventually develops a crust of dirt and under it all the fitting
stays nice.
>>Apparently, moving to the Left Coast has softened your brain so that
>>you do not remember the white winter roads of Cleveland, Ohio, that do
>>nasty things to metal brake lines. Lucky you.
> You know all those beaters I told you about? I owned them all when I
> lived in Illinois. Why do you think the floorpans and rear quarters
> rusted out?
The PO's replaced the lines before you got the cars and they didn't live
long enough in your care to fail again?
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792335 ] |
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792337 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 08:11 |
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In article <ummlp3t87b2cf2e20e9ah5asg8d6h6r76e [at] 4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:30:22 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS [at] yahoo.com
> (Brent P) wrote:
>
>>> You know all those beaters I told you about? I owned them all when I
>>> lived in Illinois. Why do you think the floorpans and rear quarters
>>> rusted out?
>>
>>The PO's replaced the lines before you got the cars and they didn't live
>>long enough in your care to fail again?
>
> On *all* of my beater cars?
>
> That's a truly *amazing* run of luck.
How old were your beaters? Vegas usually didn't live long enough for a
typical brake line to fail in a place like Chicago. Either the engine
gave out or the body rusted away inside what, like five years on average?
I know it was an exceptional vega that made it to eight.
But yeah, you're lucky or something, completely outside my personal
experience.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792340 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 11:30 |
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Alexander Rogge wrote:
> That's not always correct. If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
> legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
> road.
No, a crash is the fault of the idiot who was travelling too fast, too close
behind.
Graham
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792341 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 11:33 |
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Alexander Rogge wrote:
> >> If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
> >> legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
> >> road.
> >
> > No, it's the fault of the idiot that was following too closely.
>
> The Sloth should be at fault for being stupid, and then slithering away
> from the mess that it caused.
You're a FUCKING IDIOT.
It's all ME ME ME with you.
Graham
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792348 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 17:08 |
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On Jan 25, 10:40 am, N8N <njna... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:51 pm, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I suggest "It's not MY fault" as the official motto of r.a.d.
>
>
> Please give cites of any instance when a regular poster has been
> involved in any kind of collision and ever tried to absolve himself of
> responsibility (unless he clearly was not responsible.)
Why, is a collision required to attribute fault...?!
> I can tell you for a fact that you're not going to find one from me,
Pfft. The majority of your posts describe your difficulties
negotiating traffic, and I don't remember you ever accepting any
responsibility...
Not your fault, right...?
Nobody should ever choose a lesser velocity than yourself *and* have
the audacity to be to your front causing you to disengage your CC,
should they...?
> As usual, your posts show no substance or evidence of any critical
> thought,
Are you trying to make me cry...?
-----
- gpsman
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792360 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 19:11 |
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>> If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
>> legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
>> road.
>
> No, a crash is the fault of the idiot who was travelling too fast, too close
> behind.
The fault should be with the driver that caused the crash. It's like
JLEDI otherwise, when everybody else is expected to swerve around the
Sloths while they talk on the phone and do other stupid things that are
not related to driving.
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792363 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 19:27 |
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gpsman wrote:
> On Jan 25, 10:40 am, N8N <njna... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 24, 11:51 pm, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I suggest "It's not MY fault" as the official motto of r.a.d.
>>
>>
>> Please give cites of any instance when a regular poster has been
>> involved in any kind of collision and ever tried to absolve himself
>> of responsibility (unless he clearly was not responsible.)
>
>
> Why, is a collision required to attribute fault...?!
Well, since the primary goal of driving (besides reaching your
destination) is to not crash, crashing is a pretty good indicator of
fault. And outside of incredibly rare instances, at least one party is
always at fault in a crash.
>
>> I can tell you for a fact that you're not going to find one from
>> me,
>
>
> Pfft. The majority of your posts describe your difficulties
> negotiating traffic, and I don't remember you ever accepting any
> responsibility...
>
> Not your fault, right...?
Well, since I seem to *only* have difficulties driving in the metro DC
area, I would posit that it must be the average DC-area driver that is
the problem, not that I suddenly become less skilled and aware within 30
miles of the city.
>
> Nobody should ever choose a lesser velocity than yourself *and* have
> the audacity to be to your front causing you to disengage your CC,
> should they...?
>
Not if they're not in the rightmost lane.
>
>> As usual, your posts show no substance or evidence of any critical
>> thought,
>
>
> Are you trying to make me cry...?
No, I'm trying to make you go away. Every time you post the group IQ drops.
nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792367 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 19:53 |
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Alexander Rogge wrote:
> >> If a stupid driver stops suddenly for no
> >> legitimate reason, a crash is the fault of the idiot that stopped in the
> >> road.
> >
> > No, a crash is the fault of the idiot who was travelling too fast, too close
> > behind.
>
> The fault should be with the driver that caused the crash. It's like
> JLEDI otherwise, when everybody else is expected to swerve around the
> Sloths while they talk on the phone and do other stupid things that are
> not related to driving.
Look you blithering idiot, YOU are supposed to keep a SAFE DISTANCE.
It's *people like you* who CAUSE ACCIDENTS with your MFFY attitude.
Graham
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| Re: It's not MY fault [message #792377 ] |
Sat, 26 January 2008 21:54 |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
>gpsman wrote:
>> On Jan 25, 10:40 am, N8N <njna... [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 24, 11:51 pm, gpsman <gps... [at] driversmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suggest "It's not MY fault" as the official motto of r.a.d.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please give cites of any instance when a regular poster has been
>>> involved in any kind of collision and ever tried to absolve himself
>>> of responsibility (unless he clearly was not responsible.)
>>
>>
>> Why, is a collision required to attribute fault...?!
>
>Well, since the primary goal of driving (besides reaching your
>destination) is to not crash, crashing is a pretty good indicator of
>fault. And outside of incredibly rare instances, at least one party is
>always at fault in a crash.
>
>>
>>> I can tell you for a fact that you're not going to find one from
>>> me,
>>
>>
>> Pfft. The majority of your posts describe your difficulties
>> negotiating traffic, and I don't remember you ever accepting any
>> responsibility...
>>
>> Not your fault, right...?
>
>Well, since I seem to *only* have difficulties driving in the metro DC
>area, I would posit that it must be the average DC-area driver that is
>the problem, not that I suddenly become less skilled and aware within 30
>miles of the city.
>
>>
>> Nobody should ever choose a lesser velocity than yourself *and* have
>> the audacity to be to your front causing you to disengage your CC,
>> should they...?
>>
>
>Not if they're not in the rightmost lane.
>
>>
>>> As usual, your posts show no substance or evidence of any critical
>>> thought,
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to make me cry...?
>
>No, I'm trying to make you go away. Every time you post the group IQ drops.
Since kill filing S&DDAM and GPSMoron, I've found the reading
experience in the group to be much better.
I started thinking about it the other day. If those two morons won't
respond to each other, why should I bother reading their retarded
posts?
I *KNOW* gpstard is sitting over there, just itching for your
responses and laughing; he's got you hook, line, and sinker, like
S&DDAM had me for so long.
--
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
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