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| Re: Arizona budget banking on speeders [message #791817] |
Mon, 21 January 2008 02:50 |
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On Jan 20, 10:34 am, Nate Nagel <njna... [at] roosters.net> wrote:
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
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> > On Jan 19, 7:42 pm, Nate Nagel <njna... [at] roosters.net> wrote:
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> >>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
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> >>>On Jan 19, 10:35 am, Nate Nagel <njna... [at] roosters.net> wrote:
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> >>>>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>
> >>>>>Ashton Crusher <d... [at] moore.net> wrote in
> >>>>>news:oab4p3d103e9dq29i2sjsakqnadn47uo6m [at] 4ax.com:
>
> >>>>>>Arizona budget banking on speeders By PAUL DAVENPORT, Associated Press
> >>>>>>Writer
> >>>>>>Sat Jan 19, 6:57 AM ET
>
> >>>>>>PHOENIX - Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano says the deployment of new
> >>>>>>photo radar or other speed enforcement technology on state highways is
> >>>>>>all about public safety. But her proposed state budget counts on the
> >>>>>>anticipated speeding fines to help erase a projected revenue
> >>>>>>shortfall.
>
> >>>>>>The proposal, submitted to the Legislature late Friday, anticipates
> >>>>>>$120 million in revenue the first year, including $90 million in net
> >>>>>>income after expenses from the statewide effort. Even bigger dollar
> >>>>>>amounts are expected in future years.
>
> >>>>>>The state faces a projected revenue shortfall of at least $1.2 billion
> >>>>>>in the fiscal year that starts July 1.
>
> >>>>>>While some states use photo radar and similar technology on a limited
> >>>>>>basis in areas such as construction zones, experts said Arizona is in
> >>>>>>the vanguard of moving toward a widespread deployment of speed
> >>>>>>technology on highways.
>
> >>>>>>"It wasn't designated primarily for revenue generation but since we
> >>>>>>have it (and) it works, we want to move statewide," Napolitano said.
> >>>>>>"We made that decision before the whole budget issue arose. Now we
> >>>>>>take advantage of it and use it for law enforcement highway safety
> >>>>>>purposes."
>
> >>>>>>The governor's budget aides said Friday they could not immediately
> >>>>>>provide details on assumptions used to project the revenue estimate,
> >>>>>>including the numbers of expected violations.
>
> >>>>>>Napolitano's plan needs approval by the Republican-led Legislature,
> >>>>>>and one key lawmaker expressed immediate opposition.
>
> >>>>>>"I don't know whether Arizonans want to be policed by cameras," said
> >>>>>>Senate Transportation Chairman Ron Gould, adding that he plans
> >>>>>>legislation to require that voters decide the issue. "It smacks of Big
> >>>>>>Brother to me."
>
> >>>>>>Proposals calling for even limited use of cameras have run into
> >>>>>>opposition in some states.
>
> >>>>>>Maryland's transportation secretary on Tuesday told lawmakers that
> >>>>>>cameras in highway work zones would improve worker safety and reduce
> >>>>>>accidents, but lawmakers raised concerns on privacy, effectiveness and
> >>>>>>motive.
>
> >>>>>>Arizona Automobile Association spokeswoman Linda Gorman said the
> >>>>>>750,000-member group representing drivers supports photo radar as a
> >>>>>>way to improve traffic safety but not to help balance the state
> >>>>>>budget.
>
> >>>>>>A year ago, Napolitano cited results from suburban Scottsdale's use of
> >>>>>>fixed cameras on a stretch of state freeway when she directed the
> >>>>>>state Department of Public Safety to begin researching the possible
> >>>>>>use of new speed enforcement devices.
>
> >>>>>>An Arizona State University professor who studied the Scottsdale
> >>>>>>project found that it reduced speeding and accident rates. That system
> >>>>>>uses sensors embedded in the freeway to trigger cameras that snap
> >>>>>>photos of speeding vehicles. Motor vehicle records are checked to find
> >>>>>>the vehicles' owners, ultimately leading to citations for identified
> >>>>>>drivers.
>
> >>>>>OK with me. Speeders are kid killers and kid kripplers and i wish they'd
> >>>>>increase the fines 10 fold!!! Caught doing 50 in a 35 zone - cost you
> >>>>>$2,000. Don't like it? Then obey the law.
>
> >>>>they have fines like that in VA now. doesn't seem to make anyone slow
> >>>>down any. could it be that the speed limits are disconnected from reality?
>
> >>>If the states really want to stop speeders, they should shame them
> >>>into slow driving. Put up billboards saying things like "reckless
> >>>driving killed x,000 children last year and injured x00.000.
>
> >>Please explain how driving 70 MPH in a reasonable car on a flat,
> >>straight Interstate highway is "reckless."
>
> >>Many states not only do not consider it reckless, but consider it legal.
>
> >>In fact, I do not condone reckless driving in any way. I simply just
> >>wish that speed limits had some basis in reality.
>
> > Anything over 55 is reckless. There's your reality. And the only
> > reason some states have speed limits of 70 or 75 is because the auto
> > industry pays them to do that. Car crashes are big business.
>
> How do you explain the decided lack of increase in
> crashes/carnage/whatever in the states that have increased speed limits?
> Probably because your whole premise is a crock of shit from beginning
> to end. 70 MPH is only dangerous if you do something stupid like walk
> across the freeway in heavy traffic, which I cordially invite you to try.
The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55 and highway
deaths immediately dropped 16%.
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| Re: Arizona budget banking on speeders [message #791823 ] |
Mon, 21 January 2008 03:04 |
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> On Jan 20, 10:34 am, Nate Nagel <njna... [at] roosters.net> wrote:
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>>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Jan 19, 7:42 pm, Nate Nagel <njna... [at] roosters.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Jan 19, 10:35 am, Nate Nagel <njna... [at] roosters.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Ashton Crusher <d... [at] moore.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:oab4p3d103e9dq29i2sjsakqnadn47uo6m [at] 4ax.com:
>>
>>>>>>>>Arizona budget banking on speeders By PAUL DAVENPORT, Associated Press
>>>>>>>>Writer
>>>>>>>>Sat Jan 19, 6:57 AM ET
>>
>>>>>>>>PHOENIX - Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano says the deployment of new
>>>>>>>>photo radar or other speed enforcement technology on state highways is
>>>>>>>>all about public safety. But her proposed state budget counts on the
>>>>>>>>anticipated speeding fines to help erase a projected revenue
>>>>>>>>shortfall.
>>
>>>>>>>>The proposal, submitted to the Legislature late Friday, anticipates
>>>>>>>>$120 million in revenue the first year, including $90 million in net
>>>>>>>>income after expenses from the statewide effort. Even bigger dollar
>>>>>>>>amounts are expected in future years.
>>
>>>>>>>>The state faces a projected revenue shortfall of at least $1.2 billion
>>>>>>>>in the fiscal year that starts July 1.
>>
>>>>>>>>While some states use photo radar and similar technology on a limited
>>>>>>>>basis in areas such as construction zones, experts said Arizona is in
>>>>>>>>the vanguard of moving toward a widespread deployment of speed
>>>>>>>>technology on highways.
>>
>>>>>>>>"It wasn't designated primarily for revenue generation but since we
>>>>>>>>have it (and) it works, we want to move statewide," Napolitano said.
>>>>>>>>"We made that decision before the whole budget issue arose. Now we
>>>>>>>>take advantage of it and use it for law enforcement highway safety
>>>>>>>>purposes."
>>
>>>>>>>>The governor's budget aides said Friday they could not immediately
>>>>>>>>provide details on assumptions used to project the revenue estimate,
>>>>>>>>including the numbers of expected violations.
>>
>>>>>>>>Napolitano's plan needs approval by the Republican-led Legislature,
>>>>>>>>and one key lawmaker expressed immediate opposition.
>>
>>>>>>>>"I don't know whether Arizonans want to be policed by cameras," said
>>>>>>>>Senate Transportation Chairman Ron Gould, adding that he plans
>>>>>>>>legislation to require that voters decide the issue. "It smacks of Big
>>>>>>>>Brother to me."
>>
>>>>>>>>Proposals calling for even limited use of cameras have run into
>>>>>>>>opposition in some states.
>>
>>>>>>>>Maryland's transportation secretary on Tuesday told lawmakers that
>>>>>>>>cameras in highway work zones would improve worker safety and reduce
>>>>>>>>accidents, but lawmakers raised concerns on privacy, effectiveness and
>>>>>>>>motive.
>>
>>>>>>>>Arizona Automobile Association spokeswoman Linda Gorman said the
>>>>>>>>750,000-member group representing drivers supports photo radar as a
>>>>>>>>way to improve traffic safety but not to help balance the state
>>>>>>>>budget.
>>
>>>>>>>>A year ago, Napolitano cited results from suburban Scottsdale's use of
>>>>>>>>fixed cameras on a stretch of state freeway when she directed the
>>>>>>>>state Department of Public Safety to begin researching the possible
>>>>>>>>use of new speed enforcement devices.
>>
>>>>>>>>An Arizona State University professor who studied the Scottsdale
>>>>>>>>project found that it reduced speeding and accident rates. That system
>>>>>>>>uses sensors embedded in the freeway to trigger cameras that snap
>>>>>>>>photos of speeding vehicles. Motor vehicle records are checked to find
>>>>>>>>the vehicles' owners, ultimately leading to citations for identified
>>>>>>>>drivers.
>>
>>>>>>>OK with me. Speeders are kid killers and kid kripplers and i wish they'd
>>>>>>>increase the fines 10 fold!!! Caught doing 50 in a 35 zone - cost you
>>>>>>>$2,000. Don't like it? Then obey the law.
>>
>>>>>>they have fines like that in VA now. doesn't seem to make anyone slow
>>>>>>down any. could it be that the speed limits are disconnected from reality?
>>
>>>>>If the states really want to stop speeders, they should shame them
>>>>>into slow driving. Put up billboards saying things like "reckless
>>>>>driving killed x,000 children last year and injured x00.000.
>>
>>>>Please explain how driving 70 MPH in a reasonable car on a flat,
>>>>straight Interstate highway is "reckless."
>>
>>>>Many states not only do not consider it reckless, but consider it legal.
>>
>>>>In fact, I do not condone reckless driving in any way. I simply just
>>>>wish that speed limits had some basis in reality.
>>
>>>Anything over 55 is reckless. There's your reality. And the only
>>>reason some states have speed limits of 70 or 75 is because the auto
>>>industry pays them to do that. Car crashes are big business.
>>
>>How do you explain the decided lack of increase in
>>crashes/carnage/whatever in the states that have increased speed limits?
>> Probably because your whole premise is a crock of shit from beginning
>>to end. 70 MPH is only dangerous if you do something stupid like walk
>>across the freeway in heavy traffic, which I cordially invite you to try.
>
>
> The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55 and highway
> deaths immediately dropped 16%.
first of all, you can't compare statistics pre- and post-74
secondly, you're full of crap, I've never seen that dramatic a drop
cited anywhere
nate
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| Re: Arizona budget banking on speeders [message #791841 ] |
Mon, 21 January 2008 05:56 |
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SFB spewed:
> The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55
Then why can't you obey your own speed limit, kid killer?
> and highway deaths immediately dropped 16%.
That tends to happen when you cook the books to get the desired results.
There's lies, damned lies and then there's statistics.
--
Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend admits
to being a deadly speeder:
"There's a 55mph freeway near where i live and
if i do 50, everybody passes me. But if i do
60 very few do."
--Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/
Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM) 12/17/2004
ref: http://tinyurl.com/np3y6
Message ID: <1103257015.147448.55640 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
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