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| Subaru Tranny again... [message #791529] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 02:25 |
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Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran fine
aftger that...
WTF?!?!?!
(if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby 3AT
auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts great
now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791530 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 02:47 |
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"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran fine
> aftger that...
>
> WTF?!?!?!
>
> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby 3AT
> auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts great
> now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
Basically, you tried, but you neither had the tool nor the knowledge to
adjust
the band properly. You dont know whether this has anything to do with the
problem or not.
Find an honest tranny specialist (if you can) and have him or her check this
out, before you find yourself walking.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791533 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 02:54 |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran fine
> aftger that...
>
> WTF?!?!?!
>
> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby 3AT
> auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts great
> now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>
>
You are obviously not a car mechanic. Why are you working on this car? Is it
a hobby, like a Frankenstein guitar you experiment on, but really don't use
for gigs because you have no idea whether it'll make it through 3 songs?
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791534 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 02:56 |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:47:44 +0000, HLS wrote:
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> "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>> fine aftger that...
>>
>> WTF?!?!?!
>>
>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>
> Basically, you tried, but you neither had the tool nor the knowledge to
> adjust
> the band properly. You dont know whether this has anything to do with the
> problem or not.
>
> Find an honest tranny specialist (if you can) and have him or her check
> this out, before you find yourself walking.
Basically, not worth it. $300 car.
The problem was jolting during the shift from 1-2. Manual said adjust the
band. I went to just where it gave resistance and backed off. Spec was 18
Ft Lbs, but the space was too small for my torque wrench.
Drive it till it drops, then buy another...I have an '05 Scion tC and an
'88 Supra, and an '89 Mazda to fall back on...
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791539 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 03:36 |
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Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran fine
> aftger that...
>
> WTF?!?!?!
>
> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby 3AT
> auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts great
> now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>
>
I don't know how you adjusted the band, but all transmission bands are
adjusted basically like a brake shoe, meaning, with the same idea in
mind of a brake drum that barely drags on the shoes when adjusted correctly.
If you still suspect the band, it's probably the band servo leaking or
binding. Sometimes a chore to change out, depending on the transmission.
Check the governor for any binding. Sometimes plastic components can
wear enough to cause it.
Did you notice any plastic debris in the pan when you removed it?
Just some thoughts.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791541 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 03:58 |
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:36:21 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>> fine aftger that...
>>
>> WTF?!?!?!
>>
>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>
>>
> I don't know how you adjusted the band, but all transmission bands are
> adjusted basically like a brake shoe, meaning, with the same idea in mind
> of a brake drum that barely drags on the shoes when adjusted correctly.
>
> If you still suspect the band, it's probably the band servo leaking or
> binding. Sometimes a chore to change out, depending on the transmission.
>
> Check the governor for any binding. Sometimes plastic components can wear
> enough to cause it.
>
> Did you notice any plastic debris in the pan when you removed it?
>
> Just some thoughts.
Well, the thing was working fine before I adjusted it. The only thing was,
it would jolt from 1st to 2nd, and you really had to slame the throttle to
get it to kick-down.
I found this:
http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1f/03/25/09 00823d801f0325/repairInfoPages.htm
("Brake Band Adjustment")
I found out this is right from the Subaru repair manual.
I didn't have a torque wrench that would fit, so I went until it just
started to tighten and then backed off. It was so tight the car would
barely move.
I did it again, again going just tight, and then backed off 1 full turn.
Still tight. I backed off some more and it felt better; the jolting was
gone and the kick-down was fine. But now it gives me the binding problem;
when it shifts back to first the binding goes away and it drives normal...
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791543 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:01 |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:54:53 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>> fine aftger that...
>>
>> WTF?!?!?!
>>
>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>
>>
>>
>
> You are obviously not a car mechanic. Why are you working on this car? Is
> it a hobby, like a Frankenstein guitar you experiment on, but really don't
> use for gigs because you have no idea whether it'll make it through 3
> songs?
Yup.
But I manage to fix about 90% of the things that go wrong with my cars.
Maybe if we didn't fart around with the political bullshit and actually
talked cars, I could increase it to 99%.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791544 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:01 |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:LzmBj.5873$e52.275 [at] trndny01...
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:36:21 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>>> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>>> fine aftger that...
>>>
>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>
>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>
>>>
>> I don't know how you adjusted the band, but all transmission bands are
>> adjusted basically like a brake shoe, meaning, with the same idea in mind
>> of a brake drum that barely drags on the shoes when adjusted correctly.
>>
>> If you still suspect the band, it's probably the band servo leaking or
>> binding. Sometimes a chore to change out, depending on the transmission.
>>
>> Check the governor for any binding. Sometimes plastic components can wear
>> enough to cause it.
>>
>> Did you notice any plastic debris in the pan when you removed it?
>>
>> Just some thoughts.
>
>
> Well, the thing was working fine before I adjusted it. The only thing was,
> it would jolt from 1st to 2nd, and you really had to slame the throttle to
> get it to kick-down.
In other words, it was NOT working fine, you knucklehead!!! :-)
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791545 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:06 |
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:47:44 +0000, HLS wrote:
>
>
>>"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>>
>>>Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>>>started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>>>fine aftger that...
>>>
>>>WTF?!?!?!
>>>
>>>(if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>
>>Basically, you tried, but you neither had the tool nor the knowledge to
>>adjust
>>the band properly. You dont know whether this has anything to do with the
>>problem or not.
>>
>>Find an honest tranny specialist (if you can) and have him or her check
>>this out, before you find yourself walking.
>
>
> Basically, not worth it. $300 car.
>
> The problem was jolting during the shift from 1-2. Manual said adjust the
> band. I went to just where it gave resistance and backed off. Spec was 18
> Ft Lbs, but the space was too small for my torque wrench.
>
> Drive it till it drops, then buy another...I have an '05 Scion tC and an
> '88 Supra, and an '89 Mazda to fall back on...
>
>
You could try posting over at www.ultimatesubaru.org . Some of those
guys are pretty successful at keeping older Subes on the road.
Carl
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791546 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:12 |
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Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:36:21 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>>> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>>> fine aftger that...
>>>
>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>
>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>
>>>
>> I don't know how you adjusted the band, but all transmission bands are
>> adjusted basically like a brake shoe, meaning, with the same idea in mind
>> of a brake drum that barely drags on the shoes when adjusted correctly.
>>
>> If you still suspect the band, it's probably the band servo leaking or
>> binding. Sometimes a chore to change out, depending on the transmission.
>>
>> Check the governor for any binding. Sometimes plastic components can wear
>> enough to cause it.
>>
>> Did you notice any plastic debris in the pan when you removed it?
>>
>> Just some thoughts.
>
>
> Well, the thing was working fine before I adjusted it. The only thing was,
> it would jolt from 1st to 2nd, and you really had to slame the throttle to
> get it to kick-down.
>
> I found this:
> http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1f/03/25/09 00823d801f0325/repairInfoPages.htm
>
> ("Brake Band Adjustment")
>
> I found out this is right from the Subaru repair manual.
> I didn't have a torque wrench that would fit, so I went until it just
> started to tighten and then backed off. It was so tight the car would
> barely move.
>
> I did it again, again going just tight, and then backed off 1 full turn.
> Still tight. I backed off some more and it felt better; the jolting was
> gone and the kick-down was fine. But now it gives me the binding problem;
> when it shifts back to first the binding goes away and it drives normal...
>
I read the link Hachi and I believe you would get a better result in
removing the pan, and visually making sure that the band is barely
dragging on the drum. That 1/4 turn either way statement can be the
difference sometimes.
I know it's a bit of a pain to remove the pan but I'm almost certain
that you will be able to see a part, if not most of the band.
While on your back and the car in neutral, use your foot to rotate the
drive wheel tire. You can see and feel the adjustment as you move the
adjuster screw. I've done this lots of times, but not on a Subaru.
When it just barely drags is the best adjustment. You can also check out
the contents of the pan and the band itself for wear and the band servo
operation as well.
It sounds like you almost have it fixed.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791547 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:13 |
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"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:2FlBj.2754$dK3.800 [at] trndny03...
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:47:44 +0000, HLS wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>>> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>>> fine aftger that...
>>>
>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>
>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>
>> Basically, you tried, but you neither had the tool nor the knowledge to
>> adjust
>> the band properly. You dont know whether this has anything to do with the
>> problem or not.
>>
>> Find an honest tranny specialist (if you can) and have him or her check
>> this out, before you find yourself walking.
>
> Basically, not worth it. $300 car.
>
> The problem was jolting during the shift from 1-2. Manual said adjust the
> band. I went to just where it gave resistance and backed off. Spec was 18
> Ft Lbs, but the space was too small for my torque wrench.
Don't know if it helps or not but 18 Ft Lbs would be the same torque as a
properly tightened spark plug.
>
> Drive it till it drops, then buy another...I have an '05 Scion tC and an
> '88 Supra, and an '89 Mazda to fall back on...
>
>
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791548 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:29 |
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:07 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:36:21 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
>>
>>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the
>>>> tranny started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first
>>>> and ran fine aftger that...
>>>>
>>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't know how you adjusted the band, but all transmission bands are
>>> adjusted basically like a brake shoe, meaning, with the same idea in
>>> mind of a brake drum that barely drags on the shoes when adjusted
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> If you still suspect the band, it's probably the band servo leaking or
>>> binding. Sometimes a chore to change out, depending on the
>>> transmission.
>>>
>>> Check the governor for any binding. Sometimes plastic components can
>>> wear enough to cause it.
>>>
>>> Did you notice any plastic debris in the pan when you removed it?
>>>
>>> Just some thoughts.
>>
>>
>> Well, the thing was working fine before I adjusted it. The only thing
>> was, it would jolt from 1st to 2nd, and you really had to slame the
>> throttle to get it to kick-down.
>>
>> I found this:
>> http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1f/03/25/09 00823d801f0325/repairInfoPages.htm
>>
>> ("Brake Band Adjustment")
>>
>> I found out this is right from the Subaru repair manual. I didn't have a
>> torque wrench that would fit, so I went until it just started to tighten
>> and then backed off. It was so tight the car would barely move.
>>
>> I did it again, again going just tight, and then backed off 1 full turn.
>> Still tight. I backed off some more and it felt better; the jolting was
>> gone and the kick-down was fine. But now it gives me the binding
>> problem; when it shifts back to first the binding goes away and it
>> drives normal...
>>
> I read the link Hachi and I believe you would get a better result in
> removing the pan, and visually making sure that the band is barely
> dragging on the drum. That 1/4 turn either way statement can be the
> difference sometimes.
Tomorrow is supposed to be nice. I think I'll have a look...
>
> I know it's a bit of a pain to remove the pan but I'm almost certain that
> you will be able to see a part, if not most of the band.
Actually, on this car it's right out in the open. I'll have to see if I
can get a gasket first. Some parts are plentiful, and others...
Of course, there's alway FIPG!!! Worked on the Supra just fine.
>
> While on your back and the car in neutral, use your foot to rotate the
> drive wheel tire. You can see and feel the adjustment as you move the
> adjuster screw. I've done this lots of times, but not on a Subaru.
There's 4 of them!!! Actually, it's selectable, but in order to get there,
it has to go up on ramps.
>
> When it just barely drags is the best adjustment. You can also check out
> the contents of the pan and the band itself for wear and the band servo
> operation as well.
>
> It sounds like you almost have it fixed.
Thanks! I didn't understand how this really worked, but I see (er,
understand) now! Kind of like the drag belt on a machine tool. Knowing how
something works sure makes it easier. I'm lucky, I have a vivid
imagination and can visualize very well. Now I have an idea what I'm
looking for.
It may be I tightened it so much that it catches somewhere and when the
trans goes back to first it frees it and 'realigns' it to where it's
supposed to be. If I get done early tomorrow, I'll have a look.
This car only really gets used in snow and for trips to the grocery store.
Once the snow stops for good, the plate comes off and goes on the Supra,
so I'll have all summer. But thanks again!
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791549 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:31 |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:01:23 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:LzmBj.5873$e52.275 [at] trndny01...
>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:36:21 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
>>
>>> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the
>>>> tranny started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first
>>>> and ran fine aftger that...
>>>>
>>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't know how you adjusted the band, but all transmission bands are
>>> adjusted basically like a brake shoe, meaning, with the same idea in
>>> mind of a brake drum that barely drags on the shoes when adjusted
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> If you still suspect the band, it's probably the band servo leaking or
>>> binding. Sometimes a chore to change out, depending on the
>>> transmission.
>>>
>>> Check the governor for any binding. Sometimes plastic components can
>>> wear enough to cause it.
>>>
>>> Did you notice any plastic debris in the pan when you removed it?
>>>
>>> Just some thoughts.
>>
>>
>> Well, the thing was working fine before I adjusted it. The only thing
>> was, it would jolt from 1st to 2nd, and you really had to slame the
>> throttle to get it to kick-down.
>
>
> In other words, it was NOT working fine, you knucklehead!!! :-)
Well...it wasn't binding, and the car rolled well, it was just jolting.
When I first put the car on the road, the "Hillholder" was working well,
but after 4,000 miles (YES! 4,000 miles from Jan 2 to March 3!!!) it
wasn't holding on even small inclines.
And it wasn't jolting, either, but the shifts were sort of smooth. The
shifts are REALLY smooth now.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791550 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:32 |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:13:00 +0000, Mike wrote:
>
> "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:2FlBj.2754$dK3.800 [at] trndny03...
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:47:44 +0000, HLS wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the
>>>> tranny started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first
>>>> and ran fine aftger that...
>>>>
>>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>
>>> Basically, you tried, but you neither had the tool nor the knowledge to
>>> adjust
>>> the band properly. You dont know whether this has anything to do with
>>> the problem or not.
>>>
>>> Find an honest tranny specialist (if you can) and have him or her check
>>> this out, before you find yourself walking.
>>
>> Basically, not worth it. $300 car.
>>
>> The problem was jolting during the shift from 1-2. Manual said adjust
>> the band. I went to just where it gave resistance and backed off. Spec
>> was 18 Ft Lbs, but the space was too small for my torque wrench.
>
>
> Don't know if it helps or not but 18 Ft Lbs would be the same torque as
> a
> properly tightened spark plug.
I didn't even go that tight!
>
>
>
>> Drive it till it drops, then buy another...I have an '05 Scion tC and an
>> '88 Supra, and an '89 Mazda to fall back on...
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791551 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:32 |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:06:50 +0000, Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:47:44 +0000, HLS wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>>>
>>>>Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>>>>started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>>>>fine aftger that...
>>>>
>>>>WTF?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>>(if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>>3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>>great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>
>>>Basically, you tried, but you neither had the tool nor the knowledge to
>>>adjust
>>>the band properly. You dont know whether this has anything to do with
>>>the problem or not.
>>>
>>>Find an honest tranny specialist (if you can) and have him or her check
>>>this out, before you find yourself walking.
>>
>>
>> Basically, not worth it. $300 car.
>>
>> The problem was jolting during the shift from 1-2. Manual said adjust
>> the band. I went to just where it gave resistance and backed off. Spec
>> was 18 Ft Lbs, but the space was too small for my torque wrench.
>>
>> Drive it till it drops, then buy another...I have an '05 Scion tC and an
>> '88 Supra, and an '89 Mazda to fall back on...
>>
>>
>>
> You could try posting over at www.ultimatesubaru.org . Some of those guys
> are pretty successful at keeping older Subes on the road.
>
>
> Carl
You keep telling me this, and I keep forgetting it! Yeah, I'll have a look
and bookmark it!
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791552 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:43 |
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Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:07 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:36:21 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the
>>>>> tranny started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first
>>>>> and ran fine aftger that...
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't know how you adjusted the band, but all transmission bands are
>>>> adjusted basically like a brake shoe, meaning, with the same idea in
>>>> mind of a brake drum that barely drags on the shoes when adjusted
>>>> correctly.
>>>>
>>>> If you still suspect the band, it's probably the band servo leaking or
>>>> binding. Sometimes a chore to change out, depending on the
>>>> transmission.
>>>>
>>>> Check the governor for any binding. Sometimes plastic components can
>>>> wear enough to cause it.
>>>>
>>>> Did you notice any plastic debris in the pan when you removed it?
>>>>
>>>> Just some thoughts.
>>>
>>> Well, the thing was working fine before I adjusted it. The only thing
>>> was, it would jolt from 1st to 2nd, and you really had to slame the
>>> throttle to get it to kick-down.
>>>
>>> I found this:
>>> http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1f/03/25/09 00823d801f0325/repairInfoPages.htm
>>>
>>> ("Brake Band Adjustment")
>>>
>>> I found out this is right from the Subaru repair manual. I didn't have a
>>> torque wrench that would fit, so I went until it just started to tighten
>>> and then backed off. It was so tight the car would barely move.
>>>
>>> I did it again, again going just tight, and then backed off 1 full turn.
>>> Still tight. I backed off some more and it felt better; the jolting was
>>> gone and the kick-down was fine. But now it gives me the binding
>>> problem; when it shifts back to first the binding goes away and it
>>> drives normal...
>>>
>> I read the link Hachi and I believe you would get a better result in
>> removing the pan, and visually making sure that the band is barely
>> dragging on the drum. That 1/4 turn either way statement can be the
>> difference sometimes.
>
>
> Tomorrow is supposed to be nice. I think I'll have a look...
>
>
>> I know it's a bit of a pain to remove the pan but I'm almost certain that
>> you will be able to see a part, if not most of the band.
>
>
> Actually, on this car it's right out in the open. I'll have to see if I
> can get a gasket first. Some parts are plentiful, and others...
>
> Of course, there's alway FIPG!!! Worked on the Supra just fine.
>
>
>> While on your back and the car in neutral, use your foot to rotate the
>> drive wheel tire. You can see and feel the adjustment as you move the
>> adjuster screw. I've done this lots of times, but not on a Subaru.
>
> There's 4 of them!!! Actually, it's selectable, but in order to get there,
> it has to go up on ramps.
>
>
>> When it just barely drags is the best adjustment. You can also check out
>> the contents of the pan and the band itself for wear and the band servo
>> operation as well.
>>
>> It sounds like you almost have it fixed.
>
>
> Thanks! I didn't understand how this really worked, but I see (er,
> understand) now! Kind of like the drag belt on a machine tool. Knowing how
> something works sure makes it easier. I'm lucky, I have a vivid
> imagination and can visualize very well. Now I have an idea what I'm
> looking for.
>
> It may be I tightened it so much that it catches somewhere and when the
> trans goes back to first it frees it and 'realigns' it to where it's
> supposed to be. If I get done early tomorrow, I'll have a look.
>
> This car only really gets used in snow and for trips to the grocery store.
> Once the snow stops for good, the plate comes off and goes on the Supra,
> so I'll have all summer. But thanks again!
>
You're welcome, be careful under the car.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791553 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 04:54 |
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:43:33 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:07 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
>>
>>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:36:21 -0400, Ph [at] Boy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>>>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the
>>>>>> tranny started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first
>>>>>> and ran fine aftger that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a
>>>>>> Suby 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2.
>>>>>> Shifts great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how you adjusted the band, but all transmission bands
>>>>> are adjusted basically like a brake shoe, meaning, with the same idea
>>>>> in mind of a brake drum that barely drags on the shoes when adjusted
>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you still suspect the band, it's probably the band servo leaking
>>>>> or binding. Sometimes a chore to change out, depending on the
>>>>> transmission.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check the governor for any binding. Sometimes plastic components can
>>>>> wear enough to cause it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you notice any plastic debris in the pan when you removed it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just some thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Well, the thing was working fine before I adjusted it. The only thing
>>>> was, it would jolt from 1st to 2nd, and you really had to slame the
>>>> throttle to get it to kick-down.
>>>>
>>>> I found this:
>>>> http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1f/03/25/09 00823d801f0325/repairInfoPages.htm
>>>>
>>>> ("Brake Band Adjustment")
>>>>
>>>> I found out this is right from the Subaru repair manual. I didn't have
>>>> a torque wrench that would fit, so I went until it just started to
>>>> tighten and then backed off. It was so tight the car would barely
>>>> move.
>>>>
>>>> I did it again, again going just tight, and then backed off 1 full
>>>> turn. Still tight. I backed off some more and it felt better; the
>>>> jolting was gone and the kick-down was fine. But now it gives me the
>>>> binding problem; when it shifts back to first the binding goes away
>>>> and it drives normal...
>>>>
>>> I read the link Hachi and I believe you would get a better result in
>>> removing the pan, and visually making sure that the band is barely
>>> dragging on the drum. That 1/4 turn either way statement can be the
>>> difference sometimes.
>>
>>
>> Tomorrow is supposed to be nice. I think I'll have a look...
>>
>>
>>> I know it's a bit of a pain to remove the pan but I'm almost certain
>>> that you will be able to see a part, if not most of the band.
>>
>>
>> Actually, on this car it's right out in the open. I'll have to see if I
>> can get a gasket first. Some parts are plentiful, and others...
>>
>> Of course, there's alway FIPG!!! Worked on the Supra just fine.
>>
>>
>>> While on your back and the car in neutral, use your foot to rotate the
>>> drive wheel tire. You can see and feel the adjustment as you move the
>>> adjuster screw. I've done this lots of times, but not on a Subaru.
>>
>> There's 4 of them!!! Actually, it's selectable, but in order to get
>> there, it has to go up on ramps.
>>
>>
>>> When it just barely drags is the best adjustment. You can also check
>>> out the contents of the pan and the band itself for wear and the band
>>> servo operation as well.
>>>
>>> It sounds like you almost have it fixed.
>>
>>
>> Thanks! I didn't understand how this really worked, but I see (er,
>> understand) now! Kind of like the drag belt on a machine tool. Knowing
>> how something works sure makes it easier. I'm lucky, I have a vivid
>> imagination and can visualize very well. Now I have an idea what I'm
>> looking for.
>>
>> It may be I tightened it so much that it catches somewhere and when the
>> trans goes back to first it frees it and 'realigns' it to where it's
>> supposed to be. If I get done early tomorrow, I'll have a look.
>>
>> This car only really gets used in snow and for trips to the grocery
>> store. Once the snow stops for good, the plate comes off and goes on the
>> Supra, so I'll have all summer. But thanks again!
>>
> You're welcome, be careful under the car.
ALWAYS!!!!!
I still have a certain amount of 'fear' getting under a car, so I use
either two sets of stands and two jacks, or ramps and chocks. NEVER under
a jack alone!!!
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791556 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 06:08 |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran fine
> aftger that...
>
> WTF?!?!?!
>
> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby 3AT
> auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts great
> now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>
When you say "jumping" or "jolting" do you mean like a harsh shift? Harsh
shifts can be caused by bad accumulators, which are usually under the
transmission pan.
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791564 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 15:28 |
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It is more than obvious to most folks I think that you need a torque
wrench for this job like the book says. A torque wrench is going to be
cheaper than a pan gasket kit I'll bet and that gasket kit is going to
be a waste of time and money because the band 'still' will need to be
torqued properly to work. Maybe you will find something else wrong
inside, but again, the band 'still' will need to be torqued properly to
work!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran fine
> aftger that...
>
> WTF?!?!?!
>
> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby 3AT
> auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts great
> now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>
>
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791569 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 19:07 |
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"Mike Romain" <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:47d69705$0$9705$9a6e19ea [at] unlimited.newshosting.com...
> It is more than obvious to most folks I think that you need a torque
> wrench for this job like the book says. A torque wrench is going to be
> cheaper than a pan gasket kit I'll bet and that gasket kit is going to be
> a waste of time and money because the band 'still' will need to be torqued
> properly to work. Maybe you will find something else wrong inside, but
> again, the band 'still' will need to be torqued properly to work!
Sometimes Autozone will have tools, perhaps torque wrenches included, which
they
will lend with a deposit, and reimburse when you bring it back. Maybe this
would
be a way to proceed.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791570 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 19:37 |
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HLS wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:47d69705$0$9705$9a6e19ea [at] unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> It is more than obvious to most folks I think that you need a torque
>> wrench for this job like the book says. A torque wrench is going to
>> be cheaper than a pan gasket kit I'll bet and that gasket kit is going
>> to be a waste of time and money because the band 'still' will need to
>> be torqued properly to work. Maybe you will find something else wrong
>> inside, but again, the band 'still' will need to be torqued properly
>> to work!
>
> Sometimes Autozone will have tools, perhaps torque wrenches included,
> which they
> will lend with a deposit, and reimburse when you bring it back. Maybe
> this would
> be a way to proceed.
>
>
The basic old fashioned bar types sell in the $20.00 range....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791586 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 04:52 |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:37:11 -0400, Mike Romain wrote:
> HLS wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:47d69705$0$9705$9a6e19ea [at] unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>> It is more than obvious to most folks I think that you need a torque
>>> wrench for this job like the book says. A torque wrench is going to be
>>> cheaper than a pan gasket kit I'll bet and that gasket kit is going to
>>> be a waste of time and money because the band 'still' will need to be
>>> torqued properly to work. Maybe you will find something else wrong
>>> inside, but again, the band 'still' will need to be torqued properly to
>>> work!
>>
>> Sometimes Autozone will have tools, perhaps torque wrenches included,
>> which they
>> will lend with a deposit, and reimburse when you bring it back. Maybe
>> this would
>> be a way to proceed.
>>
>>
>>
> The basic old fashioned bar types sell in the $20.00 range....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame
> in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
> http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
It has to be small. Unfortunately, the picture in the link looks like
there's plenty of room..
Pictures can be deceiving...
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791587 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 04:53 |
|
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:08:42 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>> fine aftger that...
>>
>> WTF?!?!?!
>>
>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>
> When you say "jumping" or "jolting" do you mean like a harsh shift? Harsh
> shifts can be caused by bad accumulators, which are usually under the
> transmission pan.
This is worse than a harsh shift. It slams from 1-2.
The repair manual suggested the band adjustment, and it seems to have
worked...for the most part.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791589 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 05:07 |
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What is your story HLS same as JoeSpareBedroom same as Trueno [at] ae86.gts?
Why do you need to change names to put someone down? If it bothers you
so much, do not read the newsgroup.
Are u a mechanic without work?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>
>>Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>>started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran fine
>>aftger that...
>>
>>WTF?!?!?!
>>
>>(if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby 3AT
>>auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts great
>>now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>
>>
>
>
>
> You are obviously not a car mechanic. Why are you working on this car? Is it
> a hobby, like a Frankenstein guitar you experiment on, but really don't use
> for gigs because you have no idea whether it'll make it through 3 songs?
>
>
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791591 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 05:17 |
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:07:02 -0400, AS wrote:
> What is your story HLS same as JoeSpareBedroom same as Trueno [at] ae86.gts?
He's not me, I'm me. Are you you?
>
> Why do you need to change names to put someone down? If it bothers you so
> much, do not read the newsgroup.
>
> Are u a mechanic without work?
>
>
>
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>>
>>>Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>>>started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>>>fine aftger that...
>>>
>>>WTF?!?!?!
>>>
>>>(if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You are obviously not a car mechanic. Why are you working on this car?
>> Is it a hobby, like a Frankenstein guitar you experiment on, but really
>> don't use for gigs because you have no idea whether it'll make it
>> through 3 songs?
>>
>>
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791592 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 05:54 |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:RsIBj.8796$ox3.8509 [at] trndny04...
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:08:42 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the tranny
>>> started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first and ran
>>> fine aftger that...
>>>
>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>
>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>
>> When you say "jumping" or "jolting" do you mean like a harsh shift?
>> Harsh
>> shifts can be caused by bad accumulators, which are usually under the
>> transmission pan.
>
>
> This is worse than a harsh shift. It slams from 1-2.
>
> The repair manual suggested the band adjustment, and it seems to have
> worked...for the most part.
>
While you're checking things out, check the throttle cable adjustment.
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791596 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 13:30 |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:MPIBj.5607$Qy3.4498 [at] trnddc03...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:07:02 -0400, AS wrote:
>
>> What is your story HLS same as JoeSpareBedroom same as Trueno [at] ae86.gts?
>
>
> He's not me, I'm me. Are you you?
I don't think even he knows what/who he is. Very confusing.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791602 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 15:30 |
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"AS" <donot [at] spame.com> wrote in message
news:13telkc641l0ebb [at] corp.supernews.com...
> What is your story HLS same as JoeSpareBedroom same as Trueno [at] ae86.gts?
>
> Why do you need to change names to put someone down? If it bothers you so
> much, do not read the newsgroup.
>
> Are u a mechanic without work?
I didnt change names nor did I particularly put this guy down. You
apparently
got your panties in a knot for something somebody else posted.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791603 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 15:31 |
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"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:MPIBj.5607$Qy3.4498 [at] trnddc03...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:07:02 -0400, AS wrote:
>
>> What is your story HLS same as JoeSpareBedroom same as Trueno [at] ae86.gts?
>
>
> He's not me, I'm me. Are you you?
He couldnt even keep the posters straight, Hachiroku.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791605 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 15:35 |
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"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message news:TrIBj.8795>> The
basic old fashioned bar types sell in the $20.00 range....
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame
>> in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
>> http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
>
>
> It has to be small. Unfortunately, the picture in the link looks like
> there's plenty of room..
>
> Pictures can be deceiving...
There is a very small one, quarter inch drive, bar type that has commonly
been used
to adjust auto trannies where space is limited. It is not very expensive,
but, again,
you may be able to borrow it from an Autozone or similar. Some of those
read in
inch pounds rather than footpounds, but assuming it has adequate range, you
can
make the conversion mathematically.
Indeed, pictures can be deceiving, and so can procedures in some of the
manuals
that are available.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791613 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 21:05 |
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>> When you say "jumping" or "jolting" do you mean like a harsh shift?
>> Harsh
>> shifts can be caused by bad accumulators, which are usually under the
>> transmission pan.
>
>
> This is worse than a harsh shift. It slams from 1-2.
>
> The repair manual suggested the band adjustment, and it seems to have
> worked...for the most part.
>
Question for you... my '99 Outback sometmes slams fairly hard from 1 to 2,
when cold and under no load. It's fine warm, and it's fine when I push the
accel hard. Or, I just idle the cold starts at about 1200 rpm and it shifts
right through.
Also, when coming to a stop, if I don't *completely* stop, when I accel the
car seems to slip into 2 kinda wierd. I can't describe it well.
Does that sound like what you had that prompted you to tighten the band??
Ray O, I'm curious about your opinion, too.
-John O
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791622 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 02:02 |
|
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:35:34 +0000, HLS wrote:
>
> "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:TrIBj.8795>> The basic old fashioned bar types sell in the $20.00
> range....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New'
>>> frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos:
>>> http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
>>
>>
>> It has to be small. Unfortunately, the picture in the link looks like
>> there's plenty of room..
>>
>> Pictures can be deceiving...
>
> There is a very small one, quarter inch drive, bar type that has commonly
> been used
> to adjust auto trannies where space is limited. It is not very expensive,
> but, again,
> you may be able to borrow it from an Autozone or similar. Some of those
> read in
> inch pounds rather than footpounds, but assuming it has adequate range,
> you can
> make the conversion mathematically.
216 in-lbs...
>
> Indeed, pictures can be deceiving, and so can procedures in some of the
> manuals
> that are available.
This was the Suby factory manual.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791623 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 02:03 |
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:05:34 -0400, John O wrote:
>
>>> When you say "jumping" or "jolting" do you mean like a harsh shift?
>>> Harsh
>>> shifts can be caused by bad accumulators, which are usually under the
>>> transmission pan.
>>
>>
>> This is worse than a harsh shift. It slams from 1-2.
>>
>> The repair manual suggested the band adjustment, and it seems to have
>> worked...for the most part.
>>
>>
> Question for you... my '99 Outback sometmes slams fairly hard from 1 to 2,
> when cold and under no load. It's fine warm, and it's fine when I push the
> accel hard. Or, I just idle the cold starts at about 1200 rpm and it
> shifts right through.
>
> Also, when coming to a stop, if I don't *completely* stop, when I accel
> the car seems to slip into 2 kinda wierd. I can't describe it well.
>
> Does that sound like what you had that prompted you to tighten the band??
>
> Ray O, I'm curious about your opinion, too.
>
> -John O
That's exactly it!
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791624 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 02:03 |
|
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:54:23 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:RsIBj.8796$ox3.8509 [at] trndny04...
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:08:42 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the
>>>> tranny started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first
>>>> and ran fine aftger that...
>>>>
>>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>>
>>> When you say "jumping" or "jolting" do you mean like a harsh shift?
>>> Harsh
>>> shifts can be caused by bad accumulators, which are usually under the
>>> transmission pan.
>>
>>
>> This is worse than a harsh shift. It slams from 1-2.
>>
>> The repair manual suggested the band adjustment, and it seems to have
>> worked...for the most part.
>>
>>
> While you're checking things out, check the throttle cable adjustment.
That seemed OK.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791625 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 03:14 |
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>>> The repair manual suggested the band adjustment, and it seems to have
>>> worked...for the most part.
>>>
>>>
>> Question for you... my '99 Outback sometmes slams fairly hard from 1 to
>> 2,
>> when cold and under no load. It's fine warm, and it's fine when I push
>> the
>> accel hard. Or, I just idle the cold starts at about 1200 rpm and it
>> shifts right through.
>>
>> Also, when coming to a stop, if I don't *completely* stop, when I accel
>> the car seems to slip into 2 kinda wierd. I can't describe it well.
>>
>> Does that sound like what you had that prompted you to tighten the band??
>>
>> Ray O, I'm curious about your opinion, too.
>>
>> -John O
>
>
> That's exactly it!
>
Woah, that's good. :-) How can I get a copy of that page or section of the
manual? I'd like to take it to my favorite tranny guy and have them do the
work...this problem has been making me crazy for a long time.
-John O
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791627 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 04:07 |
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:14:50 +0000, John O wrote:
>
>>>> The repair manual suggested the band adjustment, and it seems to have
>>>> worked...for the most part.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Question for you... my '99 Outback sometmes slams fairly hard from 1 to
>>> 2,
>>> when cold and under no load. It's fine warm, and it's fine when I push
>>> the
>>> accel hard. Or, I just idle the cold starts at about 1200 rpm and it
>>> shifts right through.
>>>
>>> Also, when coming to a stop, if I don't *completely* stop, when I accel
>>> the car seems to slip into 2 kinda wierd. I can't describe it well.
>>>
>>> Does that sound like what you had that prompted you to tighten the
>>> band??
>>>
>>> Ray O, I'm curious about your opinion, too.
>>>
>>> -John O
>>
>>
>> That's exactly it!
>>
>>
> Woah, that's good. :-) How can I get a copy of that page or section of the
> manual? I'd like to take it to my favorite tranny guy and have them do the
> work...this problem has been making me crazy for a long time.
>
> -John O
I got it from Autozone. I looked to see if they covered '99 model year,
but it stops at '96, and it's the same page...
go to Autozone.com and click the menu item "Repair Info".
I have a '97 Legacy L wagon, but it's buried in the snow right now or I'd
have a look...
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791628 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 04:10 |
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:31:44 +0000, HLS wrote:
>
> "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:MPIBj.5607$Qy3.4498 [at] trnddc03...
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:07:02 -0400, AS wrote:
>>
>>> What is your story HLS same as JoeSpareBedroom same as Trueno [at] ae86.gts?
>>
>>
>> He's not me, I'm me. Are you you?
>
> He couldnt even keep the posters straight, Hachiroku.
HEY! It's hard to tell the players without a scorecard! Esp if you can't
read headers.
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791630 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 07:47 |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:C3%Bj.5878$Zo3.5753 [at] trndny05...
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:54:23 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:RsIBj.8796$ox3.8509 [at] trndny04...
>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:08:42 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno [at] ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:zclBj.6422$y83.4286 [at] trndny06...
>>>>> Fired up the Subaru, went for a ride, about a mile from home the
>>>>> tranny started binding..again...pulled over and it shifted to first
>>>>> and ran fine aftger that...
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF?!?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> (if you didn't see the other post, I adjusted the brake band on a Suby
>>>>> 3AT auto trans to stop it from jumping when shifting from 1-2. Shifts
>>>>> great now, just binds <1 mile and then runs fine...)
>>>>>
>>>> When you say "jumping" or "jolting" do you mean like a harsh shift?
>>>> Harsh
>>>> shifts can be caused by bad accumulators, which are usually under the
>>>> transmission pan.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is worse than a harsh shift. It slams from 1-2.
>>>
>>> The repair manual suggested the band adjustment, and it seems to have
>>> worked...for the most part.
>>>
>>>
>> While you're checking things out, check the throttle cable adjustment.
>
>
> That seemed OK.
>
I'd have to drive it before making any more guesses. Based on what John O
posted, I'm beginning to wonder if this is a "normal" characteristic of the
transmission, or if there is a good fix, then the dealer should know.
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791631 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 15:34 |
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>
> I'd have to drive it before making any more guesses. Based on what John O
> posted, I'm beginning to wonder if this is a "normal" characteristic of
> the transmission, or if there is a good fix, then the dealer should know.
> --
I've discussed these symptoms several times here, and this is the first time
I've heard someone else having the issue. I suspect my car wasn't driven
easy in its young life. :-)
-John O
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| Re: Subaru Tranny again... [message #791644 ] |
Thu, 13 March 2008 23:09 |
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:34:04 -0400, John O wrote:
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>> I'd have to drive it before making any more guesses. Based on what John
>> O posted, I'm beginning to wonder if this is a "normal" characteristic
>> of the transmission, or if there is a good fix, then the dealer should
>> know. --
>
> I've discussed these symptoms several times here, and this is the first
> time I've heard someone else having the issue. I suspect my car wasn't
> driven easy in its young life. :-)
>
> -John O
er...mine's 19 years old!!!
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