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Sun, 09 March 2008 14:28 |
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The Best Car in World Today
Trully the best and fastest sedan I have ever owned. Any sedan in the
mid 50s that can get from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my book is far above
average. My 535 handles extremely well and performs every bit as well
as advertised. I highly recommend this car to any one. I am a car
person who has rebuilt a muscle car and owned many great cars in my 63
years. This is probably the best car in the world today.
http://autourl.org/cars/2008-bmw-5-series.html
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791463 ] |
Sun, 09 March 2008 18:20 |
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On Mar 9, 9:28=A0am, Lucern <L.Luc... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> The Best Car in World Today
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> Trully the best and fastest sedan I have ever owned. Any sedan in the
> mid 50s that can get from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my book is far above
> average. My 535 handles extremely well and performs every bit as well
> as advertised. I highly recommend this car to any one. I am a car
> person who has rebuilt a muscle car and owned many great cars in my 63
> years. This is probably the best car in the world today.
>
> http://autourl.org/cars/2008-bmw-5-series.html
The crown "Best Car in The World" will have to be a big one because it
will have to somehow address the needs of all car owners to be the
best of all in the world. Although I can't honestly think of one car
that meets all of those criteria I can certainly think of cars that
go a long way toward meeting criteria for certain kinds of driving.
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791465 ] |
Sun, 09 March 2008 20:09 |
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"Lucern" <L.Lucern [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d828b149-bedf-4d45-9471-daea360bdcec [at] i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> The Best Car in World Today
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> Trully the best and fastest sedan I have ever owned. Any sedan in the
> mid 50s that can get from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my book is far above
> average. My 535 handles extremely well and performs every bit as well
> as advertised. I highly recommend this car to any one. I am a car
> person who has rebuilt a muscle car and owned many great cars in my 63
> years. This is probably the best car in the world today.
>
> http://autourl.org/cars/2008-bmw-5-series.html
Wildly overpriced, ridiculously over complicated, poor reliability...yeah
"Best Car in the World" if you are made of money. What makes it better than
a Accord, Camry, Fusion for people of moderate means? The next time I am in
Germany and get a chance to drive on the Autobahn, I'd love to rent one. For
cruising around North Carolina, I'll save my money.
Ed
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791466 ] |
Sun, 09 March 2008 20:14 |
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"Ed White" <cewhite3 [at] mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:13t8de86on63v2c [at] corp.supernews.com...
> Wildly overpriced, ridiculously over complicated, poor reliability...yeah
> "Best Car in the World" if you are made of money. What makes it better
> than a Accord, Camry, Fusion for people of moderate means? The next time I
> am in Germany and get a chance to drive on the Autobahn, I'd love to rent
> one. For cruising around North Carolina, I'll save my money.
>
> Ed
I think they are attractive cars, and probably have very good engines and
transmissions.
As they age, I have seen them have paint and body integrity deterioration,
which is
a little sad on a car like this.
The last time I looked at a Consumers Report rating (which, I readily admit
is not
rock solid information), the 500 and 700 series BMWs were rather
disappointing.
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791480 ] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 02:01 |
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If I was made of money, I would buy a new Maserati car.
cuhulin
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791492 ] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 13:49 |
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<cuhulin [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25528-47D48880-658 [at] storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net...
> If I was made of money, I would buy a new Maserati car.
> cuhulin
You might really regret that, cuhulin, although they can be beautiful
things.
A friend bought one a few years ago, and it spent two weeks in the shop for
every week he drove it. Similar to helicopter maintenance.
I understand that Ferraris are very tough and dependable (surprising for
an Italian car), but when you do have to take them to the shop, it costs you
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791495 ] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 14:41 |
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Lucern <L.Lucern [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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>Trully the best and fastest sedan I have ever owned. Any sedan in the
>mid 50s that can get from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my book is far above
>average. My 535 handles extremely well and performs every bit as well
>as advertised. I highly recommend this car to any one. I am a car
>person who has rebuilt a muscle car and owned many great cars in my 63
>years. This is probably the best car in the world today.
No way. My 1983 535i is much better. For one thing, it's paid for.
Secondly it doesn't have all that electronic crap to break.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791502 ] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 16:02 |
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HLS <nospam [at] nospam.nix> wrote:
><cuhulin [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
>> If I was made of money, I would buy a new Maserati car.
>> cuhulin
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>You might really regret that, cuhulin, although they can be beautiful
>things.
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>A friend bought one a few years ago, and it spent two weeks in the shop for
>every week he drove it. Similar to helicopter maintenance.
My mechanic works on them, and I occasionally see one in his shop.
I had never seen a car where you had to pull the engine to get to one of
the coolant hoses before.
--scott
You know, it's really nice leaving my car there, because I know if somebody
is going to steal something from his lot, it's NOT going to be my 30-year-old
BMW with the primer all over it.
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791507 ] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 16:22 |
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My Maserati (I wish) does 185,,, I lost my license,,, now I do not
drivvveee,,,,,,
cuhulin
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791509 ] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 16:47 |
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<cuhulin [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29961-47D5523B-628 [at] storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net...
> My Maserati (I wish) does 185,,, I lost my license,,, now I do not
> drivvveee,,,,,,
> cuhulin
My ex and I were driving up IH59 from Houston one afternoon when a
young man passed us in a new yellow Biturbo. He was zipping along,
changing lanes like a madman, weaving his way through the rest of us
OF drivers, top down, just having a great time.
Up near Livingston, young man ran into Highway Patrol, and stationary
radar outran his 185 mph Maserati.
Such are the mundane experiences that deflate the exuberance of youth ;>)
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791512 ] |
Mon, 10 March 2008 18:56 |
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Whats the name of that high speed highway in Houston? I think the name
of it starts with K
I had to dive off of that highway.I can't drive that fast.
cuhulin
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791526 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 01:07 |
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<cuhulin [at] webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13173-47D57651-680 [at] storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
> Whats the name of that high speed highway in Houston? I think the name
> of it starts with K
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> I had to dive off of that highway.I can't drive that fast.
> cuhulin
There is no high speed highway in Houston, at least legally.
Beltway 8 or Sam Houston Parkway is one of the ones that is most abused.
I drive 65 and am the slowest traffic on the parkway. People pass me at
90 MPH and more.
I have driven in the 140-150 mph range, but not with turdheads and
secretaries
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791571 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 20:38 |
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On Mar 9, 9:28=A0am, Lucern <L.Luc... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> The Best Car in World Today
>
> Trully the best and fastest sedan I have ever owned. Any sedan in the
> mid 50s that can get from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my book is far above
> average. My 535 handles extremely well and performs every bit as well
> as advertised. I highly recommend this car to any one. I am a car
> person who has rebuilt a muscle car and owned many great cars in my 63
> years. This is probably the best car in the world today.
>
> http://autourl.org/cars/2008-bmw-5-series.html
last time consumer reports tested a bmw 5 series, i recall they
declared it the best car they ever tested.
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791572 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 20:44 |
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On Mar 11, 3:38 pm, z <gzuck... [at] snail-mail.net> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 9:28 am, Lucern <L.Luc... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The Best Car in World Today
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> > Trully the best and fastest sedan I have ever owned. Any sedan in the
> > mid 50s that can get from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my book is far above
> > average. My 535 handles extremely well and performs every bit as well
> > as advertised. I highly recommend this car to any one. I am a car
> > person who has rebuilt a muscle car and owned many great cars in my 63
> > years. This is probably the best car in the world today.
>
> >http://autourl.org/cars/2008-bmw-5-series.html
>
> last time consumer reports tested a bmw 5 series, i recall they
> declared it the best car they ever tested.
went back to check my memory; that was the 2001 530i that was the best
car they ever tested. when they tested the 2004 with the idrive, it
began to sag:
"The redesigned BMW 530i replaces the model that was CR's best car
tested for two years. This new version has slightly improved fuel
economy and rear-seat room. But these gains are offset by the
complicated iDrive multifunction control system and less-agile
handling. The BMW has a stronger powertrain than the Mercedes-Benz
E320 but doesn't match the E320's balance of ride comfort and agility.
Overall, the 530i is an excellent car, but it doesn't live up to the
high expectations set by its predecessor. "
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791575 ] |
Tue, 11 March 2008 23:10 |
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z wrote:
> On Mar 11, 3:38 pm, z <gzuck... [at] snail-mail.net> wrote:
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>>On Mar 9, 9:28 am, Lucern <L.Luc... [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>The Best Car in World Today
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>>>Trully the best and fastest sedan I have ever owned. Any sedan in the
>>>mid 50s that can get from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds in my book is far above
>>>average. My 535 handles extremely well and performs every bit as well
>>>as advertised. I highly recommend this car to any one. I am a car
>>>person who has rebuilt a muscle car and owned many great cars in my 63
>>>years. This is probably the best car in the world today.
>>
>>>http://autourl.org/cars/2008-bmw-5-series.html
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>>last time consumer reports tested a bmw 5 series, i recall they
>>declared it the best car they ever tested.
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> went back to check my memory; that was the 2001 530i that was the best
> car they ever tested. when they tested the 2004 with the idrive, it
> began to sag:
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> "The redesigned BMW 530i replaces the model that was CR's best car
> tested for two years. This new version has slightly improved fuel
> economy and rear-seat room. But these gains are offset by the
> complicated iDrive multifunction control system and less-agile
> handling. The BMW has a stronger powertrain than the Mercedes-Benz
> E320 but doesn't match the E320's balance of ride comfort and agility.
> Overall, the 530i is an excellent car, but it doesn't live up to the
> high expectations set by its predecessor. "
Personally I think BMW has been on a downhill slope since the 80's.
Obviously customers disagree as I see more BMW's on the road now than
ever before (or maybe it's just the area I live in?) but personally I'm
not interested in iDrive, electronic this, power assisted that, etc. I
just want a quality built sport sedan that is fun to drive and has a
modicum of luxury (leather seats, high quality interior materials, etc.)
I had an '86 535i for a while and loved it, the only reason I got rid
of it was it was ragged out, but even that car was starting to see some
insidious over-gadgetization, to its detriment (e.g. my temperature
gauge didn't work because it was tied to the service interval indicator;
the little warning center that would tell you when a bulb was burned out
was always blinking at me, etc.)
Now if you could find me an old 3.0CSL I'd be a happy camper...
nate
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replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791601 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 15:05 |
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Nate Nagel <njnagel [at] roosters.net> wrote:
>> "The redesigned BMW 530i replaces the model that was CR's best car
>> tested for two years. This new version has slightly improved fuel
>> economy and rear-seat room. But these gains are offset by the
>> complicated iDrive multifunction control system and less-agile
>> handling. The BMW has a stronger powertrain than the Mercedes-Benz
>> E320 but doesn't match the E320's balance of ride comfort and agility.
>> Overall, the 530i is an excellent car, but it doesn't live up to the
>> high expectations set by its predecessor. "
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>Personally I think BMW has been on a downhill slope since the 80's.
>Obviously customers disagree as I see more BMW's on the road now than
>ever before (or maybe it's just the area I live in?) but personally I'm
>not interested in iDrive, electronic this, power assisted that, etc. I
>just want a quality built sport sedan that is fun to drive and has a
>modicum of luxury (leather seats, high quality interior materials, etc.)
> I had an '86 535i for a while and loved it, the only reason I got rid
>of it was it was ragged out, but even that car was starting to see some
>insidious over-gadgetization, to its detriment (e.g. my temperature
>gauge didn't work because it was tied to the service interval indicator;
>the little warning center that would tell you when a bulb was burned out
>was always blinking at me, etc.)
I have an '85 535i right now, and it is a fun car to drive. It has some
weirdness, and it wasn't treated very well by the original owner and it has
been a nightmare for me to fix some of their stupidity, but it's a fun car
to drive.
The new 535i isn't a fun car to drive. It's plenty fast and plenty roomy,
but it feels like it's designed for the passenger rather than the driver.
If anything, it feels more like an old Mercedes than an old BMW. I won't
even mention the explosion of electronics, which I predict to be a time
bomb waiting to go off.
>Now if you could find me an old 3.0CSL I'd be a happy camper...
There's one for sale in the latest club newsletter. The price might be
crazy, though. Would you settle for a 2002? It's really the most fun
car I ever owned.
--scott
Incidentally, your temperature gauge issue probably had to do with the
battery in the instrument panel. It's a half-hour total to get the thing
out, desolder the battery, and solder a new one in. And the brake light
indicator either was the result of the current sense relays in the box
in the trunk going bad, or the stupid metal plate contacts on the tail
lights going bad. Parts for all of these are readily available and not
too expensive. The BMWs from that era did suffer from a lot of electronic
problems caused by cold solder joints. I can't even IMAGINE what will
happen to the new ones in twenty years, what with all the RoHS crap.
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791608 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 17:16 |
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On Mar 12, 10:05=A0am, klu... [at] panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Nate Nagel =A0<njna... [at] roosters.net> wrote:
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> >> "The redesigned BMW 530i replaces the model that was CR's best car
> >> tested for two years. This new version has slightly improved fuel
> >> economy and rear-seat room. But these gains are offset by the
> >> complicated iDrive multifunction control system and less-agile
> >> handling. The BMW has a stronger powertrain than the Mercedes-Benz
> >> E320 but doesn't match the E320's balance of ride comfort and agility.
> >> Overall, the 530i is an excellent car, but it doesn't live up to the
> >> high expectations set by its predecessor. "
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> >Personally I think BMW has been on a downhill slope since the 80's.
> >Obviously customers disagree as I see more BMW's on the road now than
> >ever before (or maybe it's just the area I live in?) but personally I'm
> >not interested in iDrive, electronic this, power assisted that, etc. =A0I=
> >just want a quality built sport sedan that is fun to drive and has a
> >modicum of luxury (leather seats, high quality interior materials, etc.)
> > =A0I had an '86 535i for a while and loved it, the only reason I got rid=
> >of it was it was ragged out, but even that car was starting to see some
> >insidious over-gadgetization, to its detriment (e.g. my temperature
> >gauge didn't work because it was tied to the service interval indicator;
> >the little warning center that would tell you when a bulb was burned out
> >was always blinking at me, etc.)
>
> I have an '85 535i right now, and it is a fun car to drive. =A0It has some=
> weirdness, and it wasn't treated very well by the original owner and it ha=
s
> been a nightmare for me to fix some of their stupidity, but it's a fun car=
> to drive.
>
> The new 535i isn't a fun car to drive. =A0It's plenty fast and plenty room=
y,
> but it feels like it's designed for the passenger rather than the driver.
> If anything, it feels more like an old Mercedes than an old BMW. =A0I won'=
t
> even mention the explosion of electronics, which I predict to be a time
> bomb waiting to go off.
>
> >Now if you could find me an old 3.0CSL I'd be a happy camper...
>
> There's one for sale in the latest club newsletter. =A0The price might be
> crazy, though. =A0Would you settle for a 2002? =A0It's really the most fun=
> car I ever owned.
Possibly, although right now the only way I could purchase one is if
someone would take a non-running Corrado in trade. And SWMBO would
kill me if I traded her PITA car for something even older... I just
like the 3.0 because a) I like big engines and b) it's just a pretty
damn shape, unlike the 2002 which the best you can say about it is
it's "cute."
I did, however, show SWMBO a picture of a '59 Lark that a guy I know
has for sale, with a 454/THM400 stuffed into it and she responded
positively to that, so who knows what she'd like?
>
> Incidentally, your temperature gauge issue probably had to do with the
> battery in the instrument panel. =A0It's a half-hour total to get the thin=
g
> out, desolder the battery, and solder a new one in. =A0And the brake light=
> indicator either was the result of the current sense relays in the box
> in the trunk going bad, or the stupid metal plate contacts on the tail
> lights going bad. =A0Parts for all of these are readily available and not
> too expensive. =A0The BMWs from that era did suffer from a lot of electron=
ic
> problems caused by cold solder joints. =A0I can't even IMAGINE what will
> happen to the new ones in twenty years, what with all the RoHS crap.
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. =A0C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Yup, I did that dance - put new batteries in the service indicator and
even velcroed a little two-AA battery box behind the instrument panel,
still didn't work. The taillights filled up with water regularly, so
that is probably why I was having issues with those. The nail in the
coffin was when I had the engine replaced (spun a rod bearing after a
high speed run back from Pittsburgh) and something got screwed up so
that the car would just die after about 20 min. of driving and
wouldn't restart until it cooled down. I sold it cheap to a kid who
had a family friend that was a "good BMW mechanic." Some days I miss
that car, but only the times when it was actually running. It still
had TRXes on it as well, and for some reason I seemed to have a real
issue finding a tire store that would sell me 14" tires for it. (I
did have a set of 14" wheels from an older car that I'd bought for
cheap.) I never did replace the tires because the engine replacement
happened very shortly before I was planning a move to VA so I just
unloaded it rather than deal with all the headaches and moving at the
same time.
The other major issue I had with the car was having to replace the
driver's side door lock assembly as it started locking me out of the
car as soon as I'd unlock it; fortunately I had a little experience
with DIY locksmithing so I was able to fix it without having to pay
for anything but the lock cylinder.
nate
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| Re: The Best Car in World Today [message #791610 ] |
Wed, 12 March 2008 17:34 |
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In article <fr701i01rh6 [at] news2.newsguy.com>, Nate Nagel wrote:
>Personally I think BMW has been on a downhill slope since the 80's.
>Obviously customers disagree as I see more BMW's on the road now than
>ever before (or maybe it's just the area I live in?)
It's the same here and more of them does indicate they've gone down the
LCD slope to making cars more for the herd.
> but personally I'm
>not interested in iDrive, electronic this, power assisted that, etc. I
>just want a quality built sport sedan that is fun to drive and has a
>modicum of luxury (leather seats, high quality interior materials, etc.)
That is part of what is turning me off wrt the 135i.
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