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| lock 2 lock [message #787563] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:03 |
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www.lock2lock.co.uk
"The scheme is simplicity itself. By attaching a L2L sticker to your
bike, motorcyclists can help to drastically reduce motorcycle theft.
The L2L sticker displayed on a motorcycle authorises another
Lock-2-Lock member to lock his or her bike security chain to that
particular bike's security chain. Only the locks are locked together,
therefore any of the bikes can be removed from the "chain" of bikes
when the owner desires."
Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
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d.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787568 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:08 |
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darsy wrote:
> www.lock2lock.co.uk
>
> "The scheme is simplicity itself. By attaching a L2L sticker to your
> bike, motorcyclists can help to drastically reduce motorcycle theft.
> The L2L sticker displayed on a motorcycle authorises another
> Lock-2-Lock member to lock his or her bike security chain to that
> particular bike's security chain. Only the locks are locked together,
> therefore any of the bikes can be removed from the "chain" of bikes
> when the owner desires."
>
> Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
This scheme is at least ten years old.
IIRC, one of the bike mags, or it might have been MCN, started
off the idea and gave away loads of "lock2lock friendly" stickers
to put onto your bike.
It's a great idea, and would certainly make it harder to lift a
bike into a van, but I don't get why you'd want to pay =A310 for
a couple of stickers and some discounts?
--=20
Antony
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787570 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:16 |
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"antonye" <antonye [at] ukrm.net> wrote:
>darsy wrote:
>> www.lock2lock.co.uk
>>
>> "The scheme is simplicity itself. By attaching a L2L sticker to your
>> bike, motorcyclists can help to drastically reduce motorcycle theft.
>> The L2L sticker displayed on a motorcycle authorises another
>> Lock-2-Lock member to lock his or her bike security chain to that
>> particular bike's security chain. Only the locks are locked together,
>> therefore any of the bikes can be removed from the "chain" of bikes
>> when the owner desires."
>>
>> Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
>
>This scheme is at least ten years old.
I'd not heard of it before, but having read the blurb, you're right.
The email got sent to us at work, as they're having a new promotion of
it between 21/7 and 4/8 this year, in conjunction with the City of
London CDRP (Crime & Disorder Reduction Partnership)
>IIRC, one of the bike mags, or it might have been MCN, started
>off the idea and gave away loads of "lock2lock friendly" stickers
>to put onto your bike.
Again, I didn't know that.
>It's a great idea, and would certainly make it harder to lift a
>bike into a van, but I don't get why you'd want to pay £10 for
>a couple of stickers and some discounts?
fair comment, but I guess there's some admin overhead. I guess it
ought to be funded by the police, as they're failing in their duty of
care if your bike gets nicked.
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d.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787577 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:26 |
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darsy wrote:
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> I guess it ought to be funded by the police, as they're failing in
> their duty of care if your bike gets nicked.
Lol, that would be a great point to make at an open day!
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Antony
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787580 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:33 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:56 +0100, darsy said ...
> www.lock2lock.co.uk
>
> "The scheme is simplicity itself. By attaching a L2L sticker to your
> bike, motorcyclists can help to drastically reduce motorcycle theft.
> The L2L sticker displayed on a motorcycle authorises another
> Lock-2-Lock member to lock his or her bike security chain to that
> particular bike's security chain. Only the locks are locked together,
> therefore any of the bikes can be removed from the "chain" of bikes
> when the owner desires."
>
> Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
I'd guess "The latter".
Amateur thieves won't usually bother with a bike with a decent chain &
lock on it, and pros can defeat almost any lock/chain combination with a
mix of X, Y and Z [1]. There's even the point that a chain securely
chained round *your* bike so there's no slack is trickier to defeat,
whereas by, say, lobbing it round a U-lock or similar on someone else's
bike, you're then giving the potential thief slack and/or a fulcrum to
work with. As you doubtless know, if there's slack or a fulcrum to work
with it's *much* easier to defeat a lock or chain.
Plus of course you have to rely on the other biker being bright enough
to get his chain off without clonking your bike, which doesn't strike me
as a given.
[1] I'm not listing them coz I'm not giving any dumb scrotes a free
lesson, but I'm sure you can guess what the 3 things are. Email me if
you're in any doubt
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Bear
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787582 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:40 |
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Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:56 +0100, darsy said ...
>> www.lock2lock.co.uk
>> Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
>
>I'd guess "The latter".
>
>Amateur thieves won't usually bother with a bike with a decent chain &
>lock on it, and pros can defeat almost any lock/chain combination with a
>mix of X, Y and Z [1].
[snip]
I'm of the same opinion. However, it raises my next question: do
professional bike thieves regularly steal bikes from London bike bays
in broad daylight?
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d.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787584 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:45 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:40:39 +0100, darsy said ...
> Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> >On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:56 +0100, darsy said ...
> >> www.lock2lock.co.uk
>
> >> Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
> >
> >I'd guess "The latter".
> >
> >Amateur thieves won't usually bother with a bike with a decent chain &
> >lock on it, and pros can defeat almost any lock/chain combination with a
> >mix of X, Y and Z [1].
>
> [snip]
>
> I'm of the same opinion. However, it raises my next question: do
> professional bike thieves regularly steal bikes from London bike bays
> in broad daylight?
If they didn't, why would you need such a scheme?
Or indeed a lock.
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Bear
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787587 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:01 |
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In article <MPG.1f27046855e6ee9098a8e8 [at] news.individual.de>, Bear says...
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:40:39 +0100, darsy said ...
> > I'm of the same opinion. However, it raises my next question: do
> > professional bike thieves regularly steal bikes from London bike bays
> > in broad daylight?
>
> If they didn't, why would you need such a scheme?
>
> Or indeed a lock.
For the unprofessional bike thieves, perhaps.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787589 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:53 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:56 +0100, darsy <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>www.lock2lock.co.uk
>
>"The scheme is simplicity itself. By attaching a L2L sticker to your
>bike, motorcyclists can help to drastically reduce motorcycle theft.
>The L2L sticker displayed on a motorcycle authorises another
>Lock-2-Lock member to lock his or her bike security chain to that
>particular bike's security chain. Only the locks are locked together,
>therefore any of the bikes can be removed from the "chain" of bikes
>when the owner desires."
>
>Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
Good idea until some fucker locks their bike straight to yours.
--
http://www.addict-racing.com
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787594 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:04 |
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Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:40:39 +0100, darsy said ...
>> I'm of the same opinion. However, it raises my next question: do
>> professional bike thieves regularly steal bikes from London bike bays
>> in broad daylight?
>
>If they didn't, why would you need such a scheme?
>
>Or indeed a lock.
I'm not saying bikes don't get nicked (though I've never had a bike
nicked from a bike bay, nor can I think of anyone I know who has).
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d.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787596 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:05 |
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Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:56 +0100, darsy <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>www.lock2lock.co.uk
>>
>>"The scheme is simplicity itself. By attaching a L2L sticker to your
>>bike, motorcyclists can help to drastically reduce motorcycle theft.
>>The L2L sticker displayed on a motorcycle authorises another
>>Lock-2-Lock member to lock his or her bike security chain to that
>>particular bike's security chain. Only the locks are locked together,
>>therefore any of the bikes can be removed from the "chain" of bikes
>>when the owner desires."
>>
>>Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
>
>Good idea until some fucker locks their bike straight to yours.
well, that's where learning Bear's X Y and Z skills comes in handy.
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d.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787600 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:15 |
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darsy wrote:
> Bear wrote:
> >darsy said ...
> >> www.lock2lock.co.uk
>
> >> Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
> >
> >I'd guess "The latter".
>
> I'm of the same opinion. However, it raises my next question: do
> professional bike thieves regularly steal bikes from London bike bays
> in broad daylight?
They do around here. Some fuckers stuck someones bike in the back of a
transit out of the bike bay under my window in EC4. I wasn't around,
but by the time my colleagues had legged it down from the 2nd floor,
they were away.
Lock to lock would have helped, as it'd be twice as difficult to lift 2
bikes locked together into the back of a van, and would require more
scrotes.
P.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787611 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:34 |
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darsy <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote in
news:5jspb290tegtlkfut01ut6r29aab12kvql [at] 4ax.com:
> Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:56 +0100, darsy said ...
>>> www.lock2lock.co.uk
>
>>> Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
>>
>>I'd guess "The latter".
>>
>>Amateur thieves won't usually bother with a bike with a decent chain &
>>lock on it, and pros can defeat almost any lock/chain combination with a
>>mix of X, Y and Z [1].
>
> [snip]
>
> I'm of the same opinion. However, it raises my next question: do
> professional bike thieves regularly steal bikes from London bike bays
> in broad daylight?
>
>
About 3/4 years ago there were several R-GSes nicked from London during
office hours. About the same time that the Canuck's bike went missing from
MK.
IIRC the gang were eventually caught as the were shipping loads of stuff
overseas via Felixstowe.
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wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787613 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:42 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:05:02 +0100, darsy said ...
> Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
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> >On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:56 +0100, darsy <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>www.lock2lock.co.uk
> >>
> >>"The scheme is simplicity itself. By attaching a L2L sticker to your
> >>bike, motorcyclists can help to drastically reduce motorcycle theft.
> >>The L2L sticker displayed on a motorcycle authorises another
> >>Lock-2-Lock member to lock his or her bike security chain to that
> >>particular bike's security chain. Only the locks are locked together,
> >>therefore any of the bikes can be removed from the "chain" of bikes
> >>when the owner desires."
> >>
> >>Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
> >
> >Good idea until some fucker locks their bike straight to yours.
Ah good point. It's likely to be a scheme embraced by the dim. Is it
endorsed by MAG, by any chance?
> well, that's where learning Bear's X Y and Z skills comes in handy.
Can I just make it clear they're not "my" skills. I've never pinched a
bike in my life. In fact, with the exception of 5 chocolate white mice
when I was 11, I don't think I've actually stolen anything, ever.
Nothing springs to mind. Oh no, hang on, I did once nick some stuff from
an ex-employer who tried to stiff me when I left the company, but I view
that more as "preemptive bailiffing".
And at least 2 of the list of 3 you wouldn't want to have to carry with
you, coz they're bulky items, usually carried in said tea-leaf's van.
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Bear
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787628 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 18:24 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:42:47 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:05:02 +0100, darsy said ...
>> Ben <ukrm [at] bensales.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:56 +0100, darsy <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >>www.lock2lock.co.uk
>> >>
>> >>"The scheme is simplicity itself. By attaching a L2L sticker to your
>> >>bike, motorcyclists can help to drastically reduce motorcycle theft.
>> >>The L2L sticker displayed on a motorcycle authorises another
>> >>Lock-2-Lock member to lock his or her bike security chain to that
>> >>particular bike's security chain. Only the locks are locked together,
>> >>therefore any of the bikes can be removed from the "chain" of bikes
>> >>when the owner desires."
>> >>
>> >>Good idea or a waste of time and effort?
>> >
>> >Good idea until some fucker locks their bike straight to yours.
>
>Ah good point. It's likely to be a scheme embraced by the dim. Is it
>endorsed by MAG, by any chance?
I've never had it happen to a motorbike but I had it happen to the
pushbike a couple of times at uni.
--
http://www.addict-racing.com
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787635 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 19:13 |
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(zymurgy [at] technologist.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :
>> I'm of the same opinion. However, it raises my next question: do
>> professional bike thieves regularly steal bikes from London bike bays
>> in broad daylight?
> They do around here. Some fuckers stuck someones bike in the back of a
> transit out of the bike bay under my window in EC4. I wasn't around,
> but by the time my colleagues had legged it down from the 2nd floor,
> they were away.
A couple of years ago, I and others watched from a 4th floor office on
Marsh Wall as a couple of scrotes lobbed an R6 in the side door of a van,
bike alarm wailing as they did so. Building security had been given a false
alarm round the other side about a minute before...
Plod got a running commentary, but reckoned the white Renault Trafic we
were looking at was actually a small blue Kia hatchback, according to the
plate.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787656 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 20:27 |
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Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:05:02 +0100, darsy said ...
>
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>> well, that's where learning Bear's X Y and Z skills comes in handy.
>
>Can I just make it clear they're not "my" skills.
yes, I know, you sensitive twonk. I meant "the skills to which Bear
referred".
Fairly obviously, I though.
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d.
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| Re: lock 2 lock [message #787664 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 21:18 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:27:50 +0100, darsy said ...
> Bear <bastardDOTbear [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> >On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:05:02 +0100, darsy said ...
> >
> >
> >> well, that's where learning Bear's X Y and Z skills comes in handy.
> >
> >Can I just make it clear they're not "my" skills.
>
> yes, I know, you sensitive twonk. I meant "the skills to which Bear
> referred".
>
> Fairly obviously, I though.
Yes, yes, yes ... I knew *you* meant that - I just wanted to preempt the
usual litany of the dull and unfunny brigade.
--
Bear
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