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| Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787448] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 12:57 |
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Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
day was 10 years ago.
I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
Oh well, I don't work for Suzuki's marketing department so what would
I know?
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d.
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787464 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 13:25 |
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darsy wrote:
> Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
> moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
> day was 10 years ago.
What about the GSX1400?
> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
The only problem I see with that is that the engines on the SV range
are ugly whereas the big lump you get with a Bandit or the GSX1400
looks like a brute. The belly pan helps a little bit but I think Suzuki
would really need to address the cosmetics to loose the "chick wheels"
label.
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787470 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 13:32 |
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"Cane" <CaneUKRM [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>darsy wrote:
>
>> Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
>> moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
>> day was 10 years ago.
>
>What about the GSX1400?
I'd mentally blocked that abortion. I really don't see the point in a
bike that's a bit like the Bandit, but heavier and slower.
>> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
>> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
>> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
>
>The only problem I see with that is that the engines on the SV range
>are ugly
I don't think it looks significantly different to the Ducati engine.
>whereas the big lump you get with a Bandit or the GSX1400
>looks like a brute. The belly pan helps a little bit but I think Suzuki
>would really need to address the cosmetics to loose the "chick wheels"
>label.
Well, yes, and as I suggested above, I think no fairing, flat bars and
agressive-looking twin headlights would help a lot. Actually, fatter
USD forks would help too.
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d.
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787474 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 13:34 |
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Cane wrote:
> > Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
> > moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
> > day was 10 years ago.
>
> What about the GSX1400?
I was going to say that. I'm surprised that darsy forgot about my sexy
bike.
> > I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> > headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge
> > to the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
>
> The only problem I see with that is that the engines on the SV range
> are ugly whereas the big lump you get with a Bandit or the GSX1400
> looks like a brute. The belly pan helps a little bit but I think
> Suzuki would really need to address the cosmetics to loose the "chick
> wheels" label.
Oy! It's a "chick puller" not "chick wheels"
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Cab :^) - argue's like a girl
GSX 1400
UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1
email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org
http://www.rosbif.org
The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787485 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 13:43 |
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darsy wrote:
> >> Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
> >> moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but
> that >> day was 10 years ago.
> >
> > What about the GSX1400?
>
> I'd mentally blocked that abortion. I really don't see the point in a
> bike that's a bit like the Bandit, but heavier and slower.
Ahhh, I see.
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Cab :^) - argue's like a girl
GSX 1400
UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1
email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org
http://www.rosbif.org
The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787486 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 13:47 |
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darsy wrote:
> >> Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
> >> moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
> >> day was 10 years ago.
> >
> >What about the GSX1400?
>
> I'd mentally blocked that abortion. I really don't see the point in a
> bike that's a bit like the Bandit, but heavier and slower.
heh, with you on that even the owners website is an abortion
http://www.gsx1400.org/
> >> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> >> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> >> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
> >
> >The only problem I see with that is that the engines on the SV range
> >are ugly
>
> I don't think it looks significantly different to the Ducati engine.
I know each opinion is subjective but I find those ugly too. Looks like
a mash of plumbing leftovers
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Ducati_monster .jpg
> >whereas the big lump you get with a Bandit or the GSX1400
> >looks like a brute. The belly pan helps a little bit but I think Suzuki
> >would really need to address the cosmetics to loose the "chick wheels"
> >label.
>
> Well, yes, and as I suggested above, I think no fairing, flat bars and
> agressive-looking twin headlights would help a lot. Actually, fatter
> USD forks would help too.
The rear would need some help too. If you sweep the cans upwards or put
them under the tail you expose a totally uninspiring swingarm let alone
the lame rear suspension.
Best start with a blank sheet of paper IMO.
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787494 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 13:55 |
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"Cane" <CaneUKRM [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>Best start with a blank sheet of paper IMO.
actually you're right.
<fx: marks thread ignore>
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d.
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787495 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 13:56 |
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Cab wrote:
> Oy! It's a "chick puller" not "chick wheels"
heh, it's a 50cc Tuono
http://www.apriliajapan.co.jp/products/tuono_50/img/top_phot o2.jpg
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787502 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 14:07 |
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darsy <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> "Cane" <CaneUKRM [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >darsy wrote:
> >> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> >> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> >> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
> >
> >The only problem I see with that is that the engines on the SV range
> >are ugly
>
> I don't think it looks significantly different to the Ducati engine.
I think the engine is one of the best bits, no make that _the_ best bit
of the SV range. Actually the 650 is the nicer lump, for me. At the
weekend I test rode a DL650 and a DL1000, both detuned SV engines.
The 1000 has a lot more vibration, which is to be expected, but for me,
the 650 just runs so sweet, while still offering surprisingly good torque
for a mere 650.
> >whereas the big lump you get with a Bandit or the GSX1400
> >looks like a brute. The belly pan helps a little bit but I think Suzuki
> >would really need to address the cosmetics to loose the "chick wheels"
> >label.
>
> Well, yes, and as I suggested above, I think no fairing, flat bars and
> agressive-looking twin headlights would help a lot. Actually, fatter
> USD forks would help too.
Styling isn't Suzuki's strong point, never has been IMHO. Buy an SV1000S
and sell the fairing, headlight, exhaust cans to some poor unfortunate
crasher and build a streetfightered version to suit your own sense of
how it should look.
I totally agree that Suzuki missed the boat with the SV1000 naked. It was
far too mundane, it needed to be remoulded in the hooligan bike style.
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'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000A-13 '81 CM400T
OMF #7
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787538 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 15:26 |
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"darsy" <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
news:qffpb2p3tkqu36qq7878jddgpf4jb8g5gk [at] 4ax.com...
> Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
> moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
> day was 10 years ago.
>
> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
>
> Oh well, I don't work for Suzuki's marketing department so what would
> I know?
Looks like there is a market
http://www.bandit-sv-owners-club.co.uk/
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Vass
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'02 YZF-R1 d.
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787689 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 22:35 |
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On 18 Jul 2006 04:25:54 -0700, "Cane" <CaneUKRM [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>darsy wrote:
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>> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
>> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
>> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
>
>The only problem I see with that is that the engines on the SV range
>are ugly whereas the big lump you get with a Bandit or the GSX1400
>looks like a brute. The belly pan helps a little bit but I think Suzuki
>would really need to address the cosmetics to loose the "chick wheels"
>label.
Weell, the Tuono engine isn't really any prettier, but it's well
tucked away so you can't see it.
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-Pip
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787715 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 23:43 |
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darsy wrote:
> Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
> moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
> day was 10 years ago.
>
> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
>
> Oh well, I don't work for Suzuki's marketing department so what would
> I know?
Weren't they supposed to be putting that Burger-King thing into production?
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platypus
and there's nothing I can do
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787717 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 23:49 |
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"darsy" <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
news:lghpb2dtkr1n76csk72ce7knoijtlqpega [at] 4ax.com...
> "Cane" <CaneUKRM [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>darsy wrote:
>>
>>> Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
>>> moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
>>> day was 10 years ago.
>>
>>What about the GSX1400?
>
> I'd mentally blocked that abortion. I really don't see the point in a
> bike that's a bit like the Bandit, but heavier and slower.
>
>>> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
>>> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
>>> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
>>
>>The only problem I see with that is that the engines on the SV range
>>are ugly
>
> I don't think it looks significantly different to the Ducati engine.
>
>>whereas the big lump you get with a Bandit or the GSX1400
>>looks like a brute. The belly pan helps a little bit but I think Suzuki
>>would really need to address the cosmetics to loose the "chick wheels"
>>label.
>
> Well, yes, and as I suggested above, I think no fairing, flat bars and
> agressive-looking twin headlights would help a lot.
But isn't that pretty much an SV1000 (non "S"). Granted it's not got the
twin lights, but it's naked with fairly high and flat bars.
Actually, fatter
> USD forks would help too.
Indeed they would.
--
Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787756 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 07:54 |
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"Beav" <beavis.original [at] ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
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>"darsy" <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:lghpb2dtkr1n76csk72ce7knoijtlqpega [at] 4ax.com...
>> Well, yes, and as I suggested above, I think no fairing, flat bars and
>> agressive-looking twin headlights would help a lot.
>
>But isn't that pretty much an SV1000 (non "S"). Granted it's not got the
>twin lights, but it's naked with fairly high and flat bars.
Suzuki don't list such a thing on their website.
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d.
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787764 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 09:47 |
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platypus wrote:
> darsy wrote:
> > Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
> > moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
> > day was 10 years ago.
> >
> > I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> > headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> > the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
> >
> > Oh well, I don't work for Suzuki's marketing department so what would
> > I know?
>
> Weren't they supposed to be putting that Burger-King thing into production?
No.
Shame really. I would have been one of the first in the queue for one.
Ho Hum
Dave
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787835 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 13:50 |
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"darsy" <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
news:86irb2p9vkn3dk4qcoh4nj0hqna21bkrrm [at] 4ax.com...
> "Beav" <beavis.original [at] ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"darsy" <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:lghpb2dtkr1n76csk72ce7knoijtlqpega [at] 4ax.com...
>
>>> Well, yes, and as I suggested above, I think no fairing, flat bars and
>>> agressive-looking twin headlights would help a lot.
>>
>>But isn't that pretty much an SV1000 (non "S"). Granted it's not got the
>>twin lights, but it's naked with fairly high and flat bars.
>
> Suzuki don't list such a thing on their website.
They must've dropped it then, coz it was a bike on my list of "to try before
I buy" except that I didn't because I got a better deal on the Zed than I
could get with the SVthou.
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Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787864 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 15:27 |
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darsy <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> "Beav" <beavis.original [at] ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
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> >
> >"darsy" <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:lghpb2dtkr1n76csk72ce7knoijtlqpega [at] 4ax.com...
>
> >> Well, yes, and as I suggested above, I think no fairing, flat bars and
> >> agressive-looking twin headlights would help a lot.
> >
> >But isn't that pretty much an SV1000 (non "S"). Granted it's not got the
> >twin lights, but it's naked with fairly high and flat bars.
>
> Suzuki don't list such a thing on their website.
SV1000 naked was a one-year (2003) wonder.
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'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000A-13 '81 CM400T
OMF #7
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787919 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 17:14 |
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darsy wrote:
> Suzuki don't have much in the "big bore roadster" category at the
> moment - just the B12. The B12 was a great bike in its day, but that
> day was 10 years ago.
> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
> Oh well, I don't work for Suzuki's marketing department so what would
> I know?
http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Suzuki_GSR_1000_07r. JPG
2007?
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787926 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 17:16 |
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darsy wrote:
> >> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> >> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> >> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
> USD forks would help too.
See the pic I posted to your root post.
Seems to be that someone at Suzuki is telepatically reading your mind.
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| Re: Suzuki missed marketing opportunity [message #787970 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 18:17 |
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darsy <darsy [at] sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> I reckon, a non-S version of the SV1000S, with flat bars, maybe twin
> headlights, higher level exhausts, could offer a bit of a challenge to
> the Monster, Tuono, Speed Triple etc.
I'd buy one. The S models are uncomfortable and the SV650 too puny
(but adequate for my commute).
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http://www.genomics.ceh.ac.uk/lab/
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