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| 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781585] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 06:33 |
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Hi,
recently I have encountered the following problem
on my Honda Accord '94.
|Sometimes|, when I try to run the ignition
it cranks, seems to start for half a second (speedometer shows
something)
and then nothing (dies). Also all indicators seems to go off after
that.
If I turn the key to off, and try again sometimes the engine
starts, sometimes not. If I insist it always starts (so far at least!).
I checked the battery, seems fine (12.5V).
I recently also replaced sparks and rotor cap, so these
hopefully should be fine.
>From the posts it seems that 3 could be the main causes:
1. fuel injection main relay
2. starter
3. fuel pump
Any more concrete suggestions from what I described??
TIA
michael
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781587 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 07:23 |
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have the battery load tested, and check the stater connections
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781596 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 16:17 |
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Also, today when I tried to start the car, I noticed that
sometimes the dashboard indicators didn't light on
when the key was in the "on" position (first time is happened
I think).
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781600 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 18:24 |
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On 15 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700, michalis0 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>Hi,
>
>recently I have encountered the following problem
>on my Honda Accord '94.
>
>|Sometimes|, when I try to run the ignition
>it cranks, seems to start for half a second (speedometer shows
>something)
>and then nothing (dies). Also all indicators seems to go off after
>that.
>If I turn the key to off, and try again sometimes the engine
>starts, sometimes not. If I insist it always starts (so far at least!).
>
>I checked the battery, seems fine (12.5V).
>I recently also replaced sparks and rotor cap, so these
>hopefully should be fine.
>
>>From the posts it seems that 3 could be the main causes:
>
>1. fuel injection main relay
The main relay is troublesome but what you describe is probably not
that.
>2. starter
Not if it cranks ok.
>3. fuel pump
Very rare on a Honda
>Any more concrete suggestions from what I described??
Faulty ignition switch. Extremely common. They develop dead spots.
You will probably find that if you hold the key just right the car
will continue to run. If the lock cylinder mechanism is good just buy
the electrical section that bolts on the back of the mechanical part.
Don
www.donsautomotive.com
>TIA
>michael
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781601 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 18:25 |
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On 16 Jul 2006 07:17:13 -0700, michalis0 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>Also, today when I tried to start the car, I noticed that
>sometimes the dashboard indicators didn't light on
>when the key was in the "on" position (first time is happened
>I think).
Ignition switch.
Don
www.donsautomotive.com
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781605 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 18:54 |
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"Don" <don [at] NO-SPAMdonsautomotive.com> wrote in message
news:2spkb25n1lmt38q1j51v5a6iq8u38b1j0b [at] 4ax.com...
> On 15 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700, michalis0 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >recently I have encountered the following problem
> >on my Honda Accord '94.
> >
> >|Sometimes|, when I try to run the ignition
> >it cranks, seems to start for half a second (speedometer shows
> >something)
> >and then nothing (dies). Also all indicators seems to go off after
> >that.
> >If I turn the key to off, and try again sometimes the engine
> >starts, sometimes not. If I insist it always starts (so far at least!).
> >
> >I checked the battery, seems fine (12.5V).
> >I recently also replaced sparks and rotor cap, so these
> >hopefully should be fine.
> >
> >>From the posts it seems that 3 could be the main causes:
> >
> >1. fuel injection main relay
>
> The main relay is troublesome but what you describe is probably not
> that.
>
>
> >2. starter
>
> Not if it cranks ok.
>
> >3. fuel pump
>
> Very rare on a Honda
>
> >Any more concrete suggestions from what I described??
>
> Faulty ignition switch. Extremely common. They develop dead spots.
> You will probably find that if you hold the key just right the car
> will continue to run. If the lock cylinder mechanism is good just buy
> the electrical section that bolts on the back of the mechanical part.
>
> Don
> www.donsautomotive.com
>
>
> >TIA
> >michael
>
Don,
I must be slipping. I re-read michaels original post at least ten times
trying to decipher what he could possibly be talking about. I was un able to
break the code and decided it was too for out there to attempt a reply. I
am amazed that you were able to glean enough usable information out of that
post to come up with a plausible suggestion. I usually just skip the ones I
can't understand and hardly ever make snide remarks to the OP as some others
do, so I just skip over them. But, now that I read your reply I can see
where you were actually able to infer some sort of meaning from that
gibberish. Way to go Don. Do you ever find yourself wishing you could know
more about some of the people who post some of those messages that are way
out there. I often wonder how some of those that are so clueless to
automotive terms and have so much trouble expressing themselves ever find
this forum to post their messages.
Pardon me for rambling.... guess I'm just bored today.
--
Kevin Mouton
Automotive Technology Instructor
"If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy"
Red Green
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781609 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 19:38 |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:54:29 -0500, "Kevin" <kmouton6 [at] cox.net> wrote:
>
>"Don" <don [at] NO-SPAMdonsautomotive.com> wrote in message
>news:2spkb25n1lmt38q1j51v5a6iq8u38b1j0b [at] 4ax.com...
>> On 15 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700, michalis0 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >recently I have encountered the following problem
>> >on my Honda Accord '94.
>> >
>> >|Sometimes|, when I try to run the ignition
>> >it cranks, seems to start for half a second (speedometer shows
>> >something)
>> >and then nothing (dies). Also all indicators seems to go off after
>> >that.
>> >If I turn the key to off, and try again sometimes the engine
>> >starts, sometimes not. If I insist it always starts (so far at least!).
>> >
>> >I checked the battery, seems fine (12.5V).
>> >I recently also replaced sparks and rotor cap, so these
>> >hopefully should be fine.
>> >
>> >>From the posts it seems that 3 could be the main causes:
>> >
>> >1. fuel injection main relay
>>
>> The main relay is troublesome but what you describe is probably not
>> that.
>>
>>
>> >2. starter
>>
>> Not if it cranks ok.
>>
>> >3. fuel pump
>>
>> Very rare on a Honda
>>
>> >Any more concrete suggestions from what I described??
>>
>> Faulty ignition switch. Extremely common. They develop dead spots.
>> You will probably find that if you hold the key just right the car
>> will continue to run. If the lock cylinder mechanism is good just buy
>> the electrical section that bolts on the back of the mechanical part.
>>
>> Don
>> www.donsautomotive.com
>>
>>
>> >TIA
>> >michael
>>
>
>Don,
>
>I must be slipping. I re-read michaels original post at least ten times
>trying to decipher what he could possibly be talking about. I was un able to
>break the code and decided it was too for out there to attempt a reply. I
>am amazed that you were able to glean enough usable information out of that
>post to come up with a plausible suggestion. I usually just skip the ones I
>can't understand and hardly ever make snide remarks to the OP as some others
>do, so I just skip over them. But, now that I read your reply I can see
>where you were actually able to infer some sort of meaning from that
>gibberish. Way to go Don. Do you ever find yourself wishing you could know
>more about some of the people who post some of those messages that are way
>out there. I often wonder how some of those that are so clueless to
>automotive terms and have so much trouble expressing themselves ever find
>this forum to post their messages.
>Pardon me for rambling.... guess I'm just bored today.
Well it was pretty easy for me because we specialize in Japanese cars
and see a lot of Hondas. We have replaced the electrical portion of
the ignition switch many, many times. As soon as he said it runs for
a few seconds and stops that was all I needed.
I know what you mean about the terminology. When a customer tells me
their car won't "turn over" half the time they mean it won't crank,
the other half of the time they mean it cranks but does not start.
Also it gets old when they all tell me the car has a "blocked fuel
line" when in fact it has a bad plug wire or an idle problem due to a
vacuum leak etc. For some reason much of the public thinks all
misfires, stumbles and idle problems are caused by fuel filters or
fuel line blockages. I get requests all the time to "flush the
injectors" because the owner tells me that pouring cans and cans of
fuel injector snake oil into the tank has almost fixed the problem but
now its coming back and needs more aggresive cleaning. Of course, the
problem typically turns out to be a plug wire with a carbon track
through the plastic end where it goes down in the head.
Don
www.donsautomotive.com
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781640 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 06:14 |
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Thanks guys! I will probably order an ignition switch and see how that
goes.
Pardon also my non-complehensible terminology.
Unfortunately I specialize on computers not cars.
(although cars seem to have an awful amount of computers on them
nowadays..)
thanks again
michael
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781941 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 16:40 |
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Check with your Honda dealer before you pay for a switch. There was a
massive recall on these and your car might be covered under it.
On 7/16/06 11:14 PM, in article
1153109641.229385.96300 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "michalis0 [at] gmail.com"
<michalis0 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks guys! I will probably order an ignition switch and see how that
> goes.
> Pardon also my non-complehensible terminology.
> Unfortunately I specialize on computers not cars.
> (although cars seem to have an awful amount of computers on them
> nowadays..)
>
> thanks again
> michael
>
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| Re: 94 honda accord, ignition problem [message #781958 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 00:26 |
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Hi Don,
thank you for the advice. It seems
it was the ignition switch.
I tried the ignition switch with a screwdriver
before putting it to place and the car started
and the lights turned on when at position "II".
To take the old one off was very tricky (don't know
people on the websites describe it in 3 steps!)
We had to disassemble it, otherwise there was no space to take it out.
Also, putting the ignition switch in place took very
long time, because we had to disassemble and assemble it again
to put it to place.
Now for the bad news and to make the long story short...
It seems that the first time we put it back, we didn't place
the clip on (which holds the prongs in place), so when we
put the wires on the switch probably some of the ignition switch
prongs were pushed back. When we turned the engine on again (using the
key now
), something shorted and burned (we heard a 'tsaf'). When I opened the
fuse box
it looks like the part on the bottom right where some cables come in
the fuse
box burned.
Next time that we tried to crank the engine, there is no crank
and I see some small indication of smoke from the negative pole
of the battery(!).
After that we placed the ignition switch properly, but the bad
was already done. So now, when turning key to ignite:
0. At "II" indicators will light
1. At "III" no crank
2. Smoke from neg. battery pole
3. Bottom right part of fuse box when some cables come in, seems
to be burned. (will post picture if necessary)
4. Battery is ok though (still at 12.5v)
Thanks for your previous advice. Any suggestions now?
Can that burned part be replaced? I think I have to cut some
cables and reconnect them. I hope I don't screw up more after that...
michael
Don wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:54:29 -0500, "Kevin" <kmouton6 [at] cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Don" <don [at] NO-SPAMdonsautomotive.com> wrote in message
> >news:2spkb25n1lmt38q1j51v5a6iq8u38b1j0b [at] 4ax.com...
> >> On 15 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700, michalis0 [at] gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >recently I have encountered the following problem
> >> >on my Honda Accord '94.
> >> >
> >> >|Sometimes|, when I try to run the ignition
> >> >it cranks, seems to start for half a second (speedometer shows
> >> >something)
> >> >and then nothing (dies). Also all indicators seems to go off after
> >> >that.
> >> >If I turn the key to off, and try again sometimes the engine
> >> >starts, sometimes not. If I insist it always starts (so far at least!).
> >> >
> >> >I checked the battery, seems fine (12.5V).
> >> >I recently also replaced sparks and rotor cap, so these
> >> >hopefully should be fine.
> >> >
> >> >>From the posts it seems that 3 could be the main causes:
> >> >
> >> >1. fuel injection main relay
> >>
> >> The main relay is troublesome but what you describe is probably not
> >> that.
> >>
> >>
> >> >2. starter
> >>
> >> Not if it cranks ok.
> >>
> >> >3. fuel pump
> >>
> >> Very rare on a Honda
> >>
> >> >Any more concrete suggestions from what I described??
> >>
> >> Faulty ignition switch. Extremely common. They develop dead spots.
> >> You will probably find that if you hold the key just right the car
> >> will continue to run. If the lock cylinder mechanism is good just buy
> >> the electrical section that bolts on the back of the mechanical part.
> >>
> >> Don
> >> www.donsautomotive.com
> >>
> >>
> >> >TIA
> >> >michael
> >>
> >
> >Don,
> >
> >I must be slipping. I re-read michaels original post at least ten times
> >trying to decipher what he could possibly be talking about. I was un able to
> >break the code and decided it was too for out there to attempt a reply. I
> >am amazed that you were able to glean enough usable information out of that
> >post to come up with a plausible suggestion. I usually just skip the ones I
> >can't understand and hardly ever make snide remarks to the OP as some others
> >do, so I just skip over them. But, now that I read your reply I can see
> >where you were actually able to infer some sort of meaning from that
> >gibberish. Way to go Don. Do you ever find yourself wishing you could know
> >more about some of the people who post some of those messages that are way
> >out there. I often wonder how some of those that are so clueless to
> >automotive terms and have so much trouble expressing themselves ever find
> >this forum to post their messages.
> >Pardon me for rambling.... guess I'm just bored today.
>
>
> Well it was pretty easy for me because we specialize in Japanese cars
> and see a lot of Hondas. We have replaced the electrical portion of
> the ignition switch many, many times. As soon as he said it runs for
> a few seconds and stops that was all I needed.
>
> I know what you mean about the terminology. When a customer tells me
> their car won't "turn over" half the time they mean it won't crank,
> the other half of the time they mean it cranks but does not start.
> Also it gets old when they all tell me the car has a "blocked fuel
> line" when in fact it has a bad plug wire or an idle problem due to a
> vacuum leak etc. For some reason much of the public thinks all
> misfires, stumbles and idle problems are caused by fuel filters or
> fuel line blockages. I get requests all the time to "flush the
> injectors" because the owner tells me that pouring cans and cans of
> fuel injector snake oil into the tank has almost fixed the problem but
> now its coming back and needs more aggresive cleaning. Of course, the
> problem typically turns out to be a plug wire with a carbon track
> through the plastic end where it goes down in the head.
>
> Don
> www.donsautomotive.com
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