| 3 months into my first faired bike [message #780731] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 22:48 |
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Hmmm. Not designed for easy disassembly are they these fairing things?
I can understand, if not sympathise terribly much, why previous owners
left half the bolts off.
I think I am going to ditch the bottom and the middle and just run round
with the top and the crash bars from the donor bike.
Now that I am inside though I can do any number of little jobs that need
doing. Not the least of which is the oil leak, which by a stroke of
good fortune was, once in there, piss easy to find:-
http://www.auvache.force9.co.uk/ukrm/leak.mpg
It is not overflowing pot stuff though. The normally iffy main beam came
on when tested and absolutely refused to do anything else other than
shine steadfastly no matter how much I shook rattled and pulled things.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #780738 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 23:15 |
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steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> Now that I am inside though I can do any number of little jobs that need
> doing. Not the least of which is the oil leak, which by a stroke of
> good fortune was, once in there, piss easy to find:-
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> http://www.auvache.force9.co.uk/ukrm/leak.mpg
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Looks like a new gasket is needed?
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #780755 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 23:46 |
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Muck wrote
>steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
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>> Now that I am inside though I can do any number of little jobs that need
>> doing. Not the least of which is the oil leak, which by a stroke of
>> good fortune was, once in there, piss easy to find:-
>>
>> http://www.auvache.force9.co.uk/ukrm/leak.mpg
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>Looks like a new gasket is needed?
That is a given anyway. It has to come off anyway to see if it is the
gasket or worse[1] and a new one will be provided. Hopefully it is just
that.
There may be horror stories yet to come. I know the bike has been down
the road (both sides) and it bears obvious scars but who knows what
trauma lurks beneath?
The right side crankcase cover looks out of place when compared to the
rest of the alloy surrounding it, far too clean. Mind you it has had a
bath of warm new oil for the last few weeks so I am not really surprised
it comes up clean on a greasy rag but it still looks a tad too shiny.
The bolt where the leak is, is right next to one of the internal
locating dowels and when I leaned not too hard on it came undone, which
none of the others have done. The rest of them have needed a good heave
to crack. It wasn't loose but it was the loosest.
I reckon the worst case is a lump missing from the metal that holds the
dowel and a crack travelling from there to the hole where the bolt goes
through. That makes it a new gasket and a bit of shower sealant. So no
big deal either way.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #780758 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 23:53 |
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steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Looks like a new gasket is needed?
>
> That is a given anyway. It has to come off anyway to see if it is the
> gasket or worse[1] and a new one will be provided. Hopefully it is just
> that.
>
> There may be horror stories yet to come. I know the bike has been down
> the road (both sides) and it bears obvious scars but who knows what
> trauma lurks beneath?
>
Fingers crossed!
> The right side crankcase cover looks out of place when compared to the
> rest of the alloy surrounding it, far too clean. Mind you it has had a
> bath of warm new oil for the last few weeks so I am not really surprised
> it comes up clean on a greasy rag but it still looks a tad too shiny.
>
Could have come off anoher bike when the owner slung it down the road?
> The bolt where the leak is, is right next to one of the internal
> locating dowels and when I leaned not too hard on it came undone, which
> none of the others have done. The rest of them have needed a good heave
> to crack. It wasn't loose but it was the loosest.
>
> I reckon the worst case is a lump missing from the metal that holds the
> dowel and a crack travelling from there to the hole where the bolt goes
> through. That makes it a new gasket and a bit of shower sealant. So no
> big deal either way.
Maybe you could use some alloy brazing rod[1] and a dremel / emery cloth
to fix that? Like you say, it may only be something simple and quick to
fix up.
[1]Forget the name of the stuff, but I have some here for fixing model
aircraft exhausts.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #780769 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 00:21 |
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Muck wrote
>steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>> it comes up clean on a greasy rag but it still looks a tad too shiny.
>>
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>Could have come off anoher bike when the owner slung it down the road?
It is a very possibility given what I know. However I have a donor bike
of similar age sitting in the front garden which has not been down the
road, if the provenance is to be believed. I am going to have a damned
good look at the area around there as tomorrow the crash bars are coming
off it. So I will have something to compare.
> That makes it a new gasket and a bit of shower sealant. So no
>> big deal either way.
>
>Maybe you could use some alloy brazing rod[1] and a dremel / emery cloth
>to fix that?
Eh? Get real laddie, this is the 21st fucking century. Glues comes out
of tubes these days not in fucking frozen sticks that you have to melt
to use. FFS I did that crap when I was a fucking apprentice.
>[1]Forget the name of the stuff, but I have some here for fixing model
>aircraft exhausts.
I had a quick look at what Halfrauds have got to offer while I was in
there getting my cheap as it comes bike oil and a can of WD40 yesterday.
Their selection of hideously dangerous exotic do it at home chemistry
experiments is very wide.
Bonus of the day was finding a braided brake hose in my bits collection
that is an inch too long. Yes I could hardly believe it either but by
the law of averages I suppose it had to happen eventually. When all the
things are done my Bloo GS will be sporting a brand fucking spanking new
braided stainless steel front brake hose and maybe a bit if red plastic
so it might not be quite as bloo as it should but it will have braided
hose.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #780779 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 00:22 |
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #786855 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 09:40 |
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steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> >Maybe you could use some alloy brazing rod[1] and a dremel / emery cloth
> >to fix that?
>
> Eh? Get real laddie, this is the 21st fucking century. Glues comes out
> of tubes these days not in fucking frozen sticks that you have to melt
> to use. FFS I did that crap when I was a fucking apprentice.
Dunno what you think this stuff is, but it isn't glue. It's alloy
brazing rod and a flux.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #786856 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 09:40 |
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<deadmail [at] burnt.org.uk> wrote:
> muck [at] _TEETH_rulex.net (Muck) wrote in message
> <1hilbl5.13vgi5h1muhi0jN%muck [at] _TEETH_rulex.net>:
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> >Maybe you could use some alloy brazing rod[1] and a dremel / emery cloth
> >to fix that? Like you say, it may only be something simple and quick to
> >fix up.
>
> If you can get it clean enough I'd consider JB Weld. Mind you I'm a
> lazy bastard and cannot weld so an epoxy is probably the limit of my
> skills...
I used JB Weld on an oil cooler, and it worked fine.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787031 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 16:43 |
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Muck wrote
>steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
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>> >Maybe you could use some alloy brazing rod[1] and a dremel / emery cloth
>> >to fix that?
>>
>> Eh? Get real laddie, this is the 21st fucking century. Glues comes out
>> of tubes these days not in fucking frozen sticks that you have to melt
>> to use. FFS I did that crap when I was a fucking apprentice.
>
>Dunno what you think this stuff is, but it isn't glue. It's alloy
>brazing rod and a flux.
When I were a lad we used to have a pot of boiled horses on the go in
the school art classroom. It need heating up until it turned to a
liquid suitable for use as a glue. Would you please tell me in what way
brazing is different from this from the perspective of gluing stuff
together. There is no fucking mystic science to it like these
engineering types would have you believe, it is just fucking glue even
the same rules apply about cleaning your work first and not eating it.
and whilst I am feeling the happy, the tank came off today without too
much of a fight and the carbs are out and I found the breathing problem
right away.
The left hand slider isn't sliding. Well it wasn't but it is now and
very gritty it feels so that is the carbs coming only half to bits which
is a bonus. I am halfway tempted to ditch the air filter and go for a
set of poseur KN ones but this always seems to involved rejetting the
cunt so in the absence of any tuning expertise around these parts with
knowledge of tweaking the bored out middle two pots of an *old* 750/4, I
will probably settle for the tried and tested bodge of a couple of pot
scourers and a tie wrap or two and see how that goes.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787035 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 17:01 |
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steve auvache wrote:
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> steve auvache
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787053 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 17:23 |
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Krusty wrote
>steve auvache wrote:
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>www.ratemydate.com seems to be available...
dot com!! Do fuck off. Is .co.uk going?
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787089 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 18:18 |
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steve auvache wrote:
> Krusty wrote
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> > www.ratemydate.com seems to be available...
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> dot com!! Do fuck off. Is .co.uk going?
No. In fact .com isn't either - just doesn't do anything. Several other
options though - www.uk2.net
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787181 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 21:00 |
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steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> >Dunno what you think this stuff is, but it isn't glue. It's alloy
> >brazing rod and a flux.
>
> Would you please tell me in what way
> brazing is different from this from the perspective of gluing stuff
> together.
When you're talking about cracks in metal, I'd bet that brasing with the
correct flux would have more chance of fixing the crack for good, rather
than relying on how much you can squidge into the crack by hand.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787215 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 21:42 |
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Muck wrote
>steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
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>> >Dunno what you think this stuff is, but it isn't glue. It's alloy
>> >brazing rod and a flux.
>>
>> Would you please tell me in what way
>> brazing is different from this from the perspective of gluing stuff
>> together.
>
>When you're talking about cracks in metal, I'd bet that brasing with the
>correct flux would have more chance of fixing the crack for good, rather
>than relying on how much you can squidge into the crack by hand.
Given today's chemicals you could easily lose your money. Loz will tell
you roughly how many miles his bindit has done since he "glued" the
crankcase together and sent it on it's little journey to have the nuts
thrashed off it by the likes of WC, Aidie and myself. I know of a
Thundercat which has more chemicals round the clutch operating lever
mechanism than metal and I also know the bloke who rides it most and he
does his best to abuse it as often as he can and has done so for about
three years now since he fixed it.
Mind you I also know that neither of them "just bunged a bit of puddin'
in the hole". Which is probably what makes the difference.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787222 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 22:17 |
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steve auvache <dont_spam [at] thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> >When you're talking about cracks in metal, I'd bet that brasing with the
> >correct flux would have more chance of fixing the crack for good, rather
> >than relying on how much you can squidge into the crack by hand.
>
> Given today's chemicals you could easily lose your money. Loz will tell
> you roughly how many miles his bindit has done since he "glued" the
> crankcase together and sent it on it's little journey to have the nuts
> thrashed off it by the likes of WC, Aidie and myself. I know of a
> Thundercat which has more chemicals round the clutch operating lever
> mechanism than metal and I also know the bloke who rides it most and he
> does his best to abuse it as often as he can and has done so for about
> three years now since he fixed it.
>
Did the same thing for the same reasons, and it worked. Wouldn't
entirely trust it though[1], that's why I got a 'new' oil cooler.
>
> Mind you I also know that neither of them "just bunged a bit of puddin'
> in the hole". Which is probably what makes the difference.
This is true.
[1] I figured that maybe there may have been a diferential in the
expansion rates of the exoxy and the alloy, which may have lead to
cracking or de-bonding.... maybe... but being a cautious type. I didn't
want to take that chance. Also, I thought expoxy tended to crumble off,
but the brazing alloy wouldn't.[2]
[2] Blimey, what a long foot note.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787290 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 00:28 |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember muck [at] _TEETH_rulex.net (Muck) saying
something like:
>
>[1] I figured that maybe there may have been a diferential in the
>expansion rates of the exoxy and the alloy, which may have lead to
>cracking or de-bonding.... maybe... but being a cautious type. I didn't
>want to take that chance. Also, I thought expoxy tended to crumble off,
>but the brazing alloy wouldn't.[2]
For sure, if I want an utterly permanent repair I would use Lumiweld or
similar, but previous encounters with Chemical Metal and suchlike have
worked out well. One sump repair is still holding some 15 years later -
it being temporary until that engine came out of the frame and that
hasn't happened yet.
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| Re: 3 months into my first faired bike [message #787293 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 00:32 |
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Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE [at] REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember muck [at] _TEETH_rulex.net (Muck) saying
> something like:
>
> >
> >[1] I figured that maybe there may have been a diferential in the
> >expansion rates of the exoxy and the alloy, which may have lead to
> >cracking or de-bonding.... maybe... but being a cautious type. I didn't
> >want to take that chance. Also, I thought expoxy tended to crumble off,
> >but the brazing alloy wouldn't.[2]
>
> For sure, if I want an utterly permanent repair I would use Lumiweld or
> similar, but previous encounters with Chemical Metal and suchlike have
> worked out well. One sump repair is still holding some 15 years later -
> it being temporary until that engine came out of the frame and that
> hasn't happened yet.
That's the stuff Lumiwhatsthename. All this talk of glueing and brazing
make me want to get out and produce sparks / fire with my arc welder.
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