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Motorcycles » uk.rec.motorcycles » STunningly OT; buyacar.com
| STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779958] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 13:14 |
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Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they seem to
offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
Ta!
Ali
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779978 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 13:54 |
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Alison Hopkins wrote:
> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they
> seem to offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>
http://www.allbrandsnew.com/ have been recommended to me , as has
broadspeed.com
Anyway , uk.rec.cars.misc is that way ----->
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Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779984 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 13:58 |
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"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!! [at] drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4hpes9FmfksU1 [at] individual.net...
> Alison Hopkins wrote:
>> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
>> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they
>> seem to offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>>
> http://www.allbrandsnew.com/ have been recommended to me , as has
> broadspeed.com
>
Ta!
> Anyway , uk.rec.cars.misc is that way ----->
>
I know, but I get more sense out of you lot. :)
Ali
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779985 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:05 |
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Alison Hopkins wrote:
> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!! [at] drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4hpes9FmfksU1 [at] individual.net...
>> Alison Hopkins wrote:
>>> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
>>> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they
>>> seem to offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>>>
>> http://www.allbrandsnew.com/ have been recommended to me , as has
>> broadspeed.com
>>
>
> Ta!
It's worth getting a load of printouts from brokers for the sale price , a
free Glass's guide valuation of your old one from
http://www.virtual-showroom.co.uk/scripts/nuvv/nuvv1.asp?cli entId=vauxhall&laf=vauxhall&nuvvpath=b&sessionid =0
and then talking to a few dealers to see how close they can get.
I got my new Octavia at cost price and top book trade in for the old one
using this method
>> Anyway , uk.rec.cars.misc is that way ----->
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>
> I know, but I get more sense out of you lot. :)
>
There is a fair amount of crossover between groups anyway.
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Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779987 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:04 |
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Alison Hopkins wrote:
> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they seem to
> offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
Yes, I just bought a megane from them, paid my money, got a new car
delivered, px taken away, very civilised.
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scruttocks
k12rs r80g/s sIIa
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779993 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:25 |
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:04:59 +0100, scruttocks wrote:
> Alison Hopkins wrote:
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>> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
>> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they seem to
>> offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>
> Yes, I just bought a megane from them, paid my money, got a new car
> delivered, px taken away, very civilised.
There's a rather nice Bentley Turbo on Auto Trader - only 12k...
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Soy.
GSX600F
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779994 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:39 |
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"scruttocks" <jdtg06 [at] gmail.replace> wrote in message
news:44b7886a$0$5233$db0fefd9 [at] news.zen.co.uk...
> Alison Hopkins wrote:
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>> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
>> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they seem
>> to offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>
> Yes, I just bought a megane from them, paid my money, got a new car
> delivered, px taken away, very civilised.
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>
Kewl. I don't see why I should pay more margin than I need to. Have you come
across any warranty issues?
Ali
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779996 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:42 |
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Alison Hopkins wrote:
> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they seem to
> offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>
> Ta!
>
> Ali
Seems to be some good deals at www.autotraders.com if you select new cars
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Steve Parry
K100RS SE & F650
and a 520i SE Touring for comfort
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779997 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:43 |
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Steve Parry wrote:
> Alison Hopkins wrote:
>> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
>> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they seem
>> to offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>>
>> Ta!
>>
>> Ali
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> Seems to be some good deals at www.autotraders.com if you select new cars
of course that SHOULD read www.autotrader.com
NOT autotraders
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Steve Parry
K100RS SE & F650
and a 520i SE Touring for comfort
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #779999 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:45 |
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Alison Hopkins wrote:
> Kewl. I don't see why I should pay more margin than I need to. Have you come
> across any warranty issues?
Not had to take it in for anything yet, but it's a UK car supplied
thorough a UK dealer so it should be cool.
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scruttocks
k12rs r80g/s sIIa
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780010 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 15:12 |
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"scruttocks" <jdtg06 [at] gmail.replace> wrote in message
news:44b791e3$0$7632$db0fefd9 [at] news.zen.co.uk...
> Alison Hopkins wrote:
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>> Kewl. I don't see why I should pay more margin than I need to. Have you
>> come across any warranty issues?
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> Not had to take it in for anything yet, but it's a UK car supplied
> thorough a UK dealer so it should be cool.
>
>
They do say it's no different from simply buying from a different dealer.
And given that all the profit is in servicing these days!
Ali
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780017 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 15:25 |
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>> Alison Hopkins wrote:
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>>> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
>>> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they seem
>>> to
>>> offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>>
>> Yes, I just bought a megane from them, paid my money, got a new car
>> delivered, px taken away, very civilised.
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> There's a rather nice Bentley Turbo on Auto Trader - only 12k...
Someone I know had one - loved the car but reckoned it cost him at least
£1.50 to overtake anything . . .
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780021 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 15:36 |
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780031 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 15:52 |
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"dwb" <parc_erom_tey [at] crossdata.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4hpkv7Fnkh3U1 [at] individual.net...
> scruttocks wrote:
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>> Alison Hopkins wrote:
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>> > Kewl. I don't see why I should pay more margin than I need to. Have
>> > you come across any warranty issues?
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>> Not had to take it in for anything yet, but it's a UK car supplied
>> thorough a UK dealer so it should be cool.
>
> I got a Megane from AutoByTel a couple of years ago. It too came from
> an actual dealer (Renault Southampton) and was made by Renault to order
> (so not a pre-reg).
>
> We saved about ?4000 on the price the local dealership wanted.
>
> I also haven't yet had to have anything done to it, but all the Renault
> blurb says that warranties, servicing etc are all perfectly valid if
> done at any Renault dealership, so it would appear to make no
> difference.
>
> Ultimately Ren Southampton made a sale through zero effort by just
> having a lower price. Strikes me as the way to do it really - none of
> that "work" business.
>
Works for me. The daft thing is that I know exactly which model I want, the
lot. So, my local dealer could have a no effort sale directly to me if they
wanted to. OK, a lower margin, but I've always thought that business with no
cost of sale to speak of is quite attractive.
I shall go dig around some more.
Thankee, chaps!
Ali
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780061 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 17:27 |
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In article <4hpf7eFn4loU1 [at] individual.net>, Alison Hopkins wrote:
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> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!! [at] drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4hpes9FmfksU1 [at] individual.net...
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>> Anyway , uk.rec.cars.misc is that way ----->
>
> I know, but I get more sense out of you lot. :)
Things you never thought you would see on UKRM no.25..
Phil
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Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
Triumph Tiger 955i
'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780080 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 18:54 |
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Alison Hopkins <fn62 [at] dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they seem to
> offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
Nearly new from a local car supermarket or even main dealer.
Only people buying with someone else's money shoud buy new.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780092 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 19:16 |
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SteveH wrote:
> Only people buying with someone else's money shoud buy new.
Why?
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Cab :^) - argue's like a girl
GSX 1400
UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1
email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org
http://www.rosbif.org
The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780098 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 19:27 |
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Cab <my_email_address_is_in_my_sig [at] privacy.net> wrote:
> SteveH wrote:
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> > Only people buying with someone else's money should buy new.
(arse, corrected typo)
> Why?
Because it ranks alongside roulette as a way to burn lots of money very
quickly.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780107 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 19:56 |
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SteveH wrote:
> Alison Hopkins <fn62 [at] dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
>> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they
>> seem to offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>
> Nearly new from a local car supermarket or even main dealer.
I got nearly 10% off list price on my new car and got to pick the exact spec
and options I wanted.
By buying a year old 12000 mile example I'd have saved myself possibly an
extra grand at the most in exchange for a year's less warranty , no choice
on spec and the knowledge that the previous owner probably drove with no
mechanical sympathy.
Now if you want to sell your car after a year you will lose a lot of money.
The difference between what I'd get selling on my car after 12 months and
what a dealer would then re-sell it for is quite a lot. In fact I've seen
second hand cars being advertised for more than the price I paid for a new
one.
You don't automatically lose a fortune by buying new unless you are paying
full retail price.
Buying new from a car broker will save you a huge amount off list and the
cost to run one from new for three years will be very similar to buying a
year old one for and running that for the same period
--
Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780111 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 19:54 |
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SteveH wrote:
> > > Only people buying with someone else's money should buy new.
>
> (arse, corrected typo)
>
> > Why?
>
> Because it ranks alongside roulette as a way to burn lots of money
> very quickly.
That's a very narrow minded viewpoint. I'm looking for a new car, as
it's less likely to come across mechanical problems than an older s/h
car. Buying an older s/h increases the risk of having to pay out untold
sums of money in repairs. Plus I could have a car that no one else has
driven, with that fresh new smell.
The only advantage I see of buying something a year or so old, is that
I could probably get more gadgets and goodies for the same price as a
new one.
Does your logic apply to bikes too?
--
Cab :^) - argue's like a girl
GSX 1400
UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1
email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org
http://www.rosbif.org
The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780117 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:12 |
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Cab <my_email_address_is_in_my_sig [at] privacy.net> wrote:
> > Because it ranks alongside roulette as a way to burn lots of money
> > very quickly.
>
> That's a very narrow minded viewpoint. I'm looking for a new car, as
> it's less likely to come across mechanical problems than an older s/h
> car. Buying an older s/h increases the risk of having to pay out untold
> sums of money in repairs. Plus I could have a car that no one else has
> driven, with that fresh new smell.
I wouldn't say you're less likely to have problems - my 6 month old
company car is with VW at the moment, with VW arguing over a warranty
claim.
I don't think the 'new car' smell is worth a lot, I'm in a 2 month old
hire car at the moment which has the new car smell. It smells of
plastic. Nice.
Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about. OK, I can see that
possibly at 1 year old you haven't maximised the savings on a new one,
but I'd never even buy at 1 year old with my money (I only suggested it
'cos it's a fair trade off of price vs age if you want something new,
IYSWIM) - at 3 years old most mainstream cars are barely run it, still
in great condition, and well under half the new price. That's probably
where I'd be looking.
> The only advantage I see of buying something a year or so old, is that
> I could probably get more gadgets and goodies for the same price as a
> new one.
You should be saving a fair bit over the cost of a new one, too.
> Does your logic apply to bikes too?
Yes. I'd never buy a new bike [1] or car with my own money.
[1] Obvious exception being the Hongdou, but that's because a new one
was cheaper than a shagged out 10 year old Jap machine.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780125 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:39 |
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steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in news:1hih9tw.1n90p45199oi0wN%
steve [at] italiancar.co.uk:
> Cab <my_email_address_is_in_my_sig [at] privacy.net> wrote:
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>> SteveH wrote:
>>
>> > Only people buying with someone else's money should buy new.
>
> (arse, corrected typo)
>
>> Why?
>
> Because it ranks alongside roulette as a way to burn lots of money very
> quickly.
>
I disagree. New car prices are very cheap for what you get. A new shopping
box like my Ibiza has a RRP around £7k: exactly the same price as 6 years
ago when I bought mine. As Dr Z says, shop around the brokers and you might
get a grand off that.
I could've bought a 12 month old car in 2000 and saved a few grand. Would I
still be driving that car 6 years later? Doubtful as it would probably be
falling apart by now, as most 12 month old shopping carts get abused as
short term rental or pool cars.
As Cab says, there is something inherently nice about buying a new car,
even a titchy one like mine. To many people this has *value*. As someone
who works in retail I would expect you to understand this concept but the
evidence from many of your posts suggests otherwise.
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wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780128 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:45 |
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SteveH wrote:
> Cab <my_email_address_is_in_my_sig [at] privacy.net> wrote:
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>>> Because it ranks alongside roulette as a way to burn lots of money
>>> very quickly.
>>
>> That's a very narrow minded viewpoint. I'm looking for a new car, as
>> it's less likely to come across mechanical problems than an older s/h
>> car. Buying an older s/h increases the risk of having to pay out
>> untold sums of money in repairs. Plus I could have a car that no one
>> else has driven, with that fresh new smell.
>
> I wouldn't say you're less likely to have problems - my 6 month old
> company car is with VW at the moment, with VW arguing over a warranty
> claim.
Heh , what's wrong with it?
Anything that could have been caused by driver abuse?
--
Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780129 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:51 |
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wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net> wrote:
> > Because it ranks alongside roulette as a way to burn lots of money very
> > quickly.
> >
>
> I disagree. New car prices are very cheap for what you get. A new shopping
> box like my Ibiza has a RRP around £7k: exactly the same price as 6 years
> ago when I bought mine. As Dr Z says, shop around the brokers and you might
> get a grand off that.
>
> I could've bought a 12 month old car in 2000 and saved a few grand. Would I
> still be driving that car 6 years later? Doubtful as it would probably be
> falling apart by now, as most 12 month old shopping carts get abused as
> short term rental or pool cars.
Why wouldn't you be driving the same car 6 years later? - I assume
you'll still be driving your car in 12 months time. In which case,
where's the difference? (I don't fully understand the fear of ex-lease /
pool / rental cars).
>
> As Cab says, there is something inherently nice about buying a new car,
> even a titchy one like mine. To many people this has *value*. As someone
> who works in retail I would expect you to understand this concept but the
> evidence from many of your posts suggests otherwise.
*shrugs*
I fail to see the 'value' in buying something that's going to lose
several thousand pounds in 12 months of ownership.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780132 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:54 |
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Dr Zoidberg <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!! [at] drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
> > I wouldn't say you're less likely to have problems - my 6 month old
> > company car is with VW at the moment, with VW arguing over a warranty
> > claim.
>
> Heh , what's wrong with it?
> Anything that could have been caused by driver abuse?
Airbag fault.
Possibly caused by the phone fitter, though.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780133 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:57 |
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SteveH wrote:
> Dr Zoidberg <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!! [at] drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> I wouldn't say you're less likely to have problems - my 6 month old
>>> company car is with VW at the moment, with VW arguing over a
>>> warranty claim.
>>
>> Heh , what's wrong with it?
>> Anything that could have been caused by driver abuse?
>
> Airbag fault.
> Possibly caused by the phone fitter, though.
So unless it was fitted by VW they would be quite right to dispute a
warranty claim
--
Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780134 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 21:01 |
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SteveH wrote:
> (I don't fully understand the fear of
> ex-lease / pool / rental cars).
Almost everyone I know who has a hire/pool/loan car drives it like a twat.
Now if that's how you are going to drive you car then it shouldn't worry you
that someone else has done it before.
I however know that I'm not going to find out what happens if I bounce off
the rev limiter in every gear possible , ride the clutch on steep hills and
crash over speed bumps without slowing and would prefer a car where this
hasn't been done.
Now a two or three year old privately owned vehicle is much more likely to
have been driven with mechanical sympathy and this is probably less of a
worry.
--
Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780141 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 21:12 |
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steve [at] italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in
news:1hihdc9.vv089qnj16w9N%steve [at] italiancar.co.uk:
> wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> > Because it ranks alongside roulette as a way to burn lots of money
>> > very quickly.
>> >
>>
>> I disagree. New car prices are very cheap for what you get. A new
>> shopping box like my Ibiza has a RRP around £7k: exactly the same
>> price as 6 years ago when I bought mine. As Dr Z says, shop around
>> the brokers and you might get a grand off that.
>>
>> I could've bought a 12 month old car in 2000 and saved a few grand.
>> Would I still be driving that car 6 years later? Doubtful as it would
>> probably be falling apart by now, as most 12 month old shopping carts
>> get abused as short term rental or pool cars.
>
> Why wouldn't you be driving the same car 6 years later? - I assume
> you'll still be driving your car in 12 months time. In which case,
> where's the difference? (I don't fully understand the fear of ex-lease
> / pool / rental cars).
>>
It's not a fear, it's the hassle of having to get more parts changed as
the car reaches 3-4 years old due to past abuse. I'm just starting to
get to that stage after year 6 as my odometer started on 0 rather than a
very hard 12k. I find getting vehicles serviced and repaired a tedious
chore that I would rather be without. If I had the cash flow I'd have a
new one delivered every 12 months.
>> As Cab says, there is something inherently nice about buying a new
>> car, even a titchy one like mine. To many people this has *value*. As
>> someone who works in retail I would expect you to understand this
>> concept but the evidence from many of your posts suggests otherwise.
>
> *shrugs*
>
> I fail to see the 'value' in buying something that's going to lose
> several thousand pounds in 12 months of ownership.
Yes, we know. Many people disagree with you and trade in their cars for
new ones periodically. Your preference for buying used cars wouldn't
work out very well if they didn't. I wish you could accept that people
are different, and not feel obliged to diss everyone who posts a query,
when they have already made a *choice* to buy a brand new car.
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780156 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 21:49 |
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SteveH wrote:
>
> Yes. I'd never buy a new bike
But can you understand and accept why others would?
There is something intrinsically 'nice' about buying new. You may not
feel that, though it seems others (including me and especially with
bikes) do.
Just think that if it wasn't for 'mugs' like me, you'd not have those
second hand cars to buy.
IMO, a 3 year old car with 60k miles on it is anything but "just run
in" - it's a 3 year old car with 60k miles on it.
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780227 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 00:42 |
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"dwb" <parc_erom [at] crossdata.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1152906552.204278.186140 [at] i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> SteveH wrote:
>>
>> Yes. I'd never buy a new bike
>
> But can you understand and accept why others would?
>
> There is something intrinsically 'nice' about buying new.
Like the Toyota warranty that saved me literally thousands of quid last
time.
Ali
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780296 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 10:27 |
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dwb wrote:
> SteveH wrote:
>>
>> Yes. I'd never buy a new bike
>
> But can you understand and accept why others would?
>
> There is something intrinsically 'nice' about buying new. You may not
> feel that, though it seems others (including me and especially with
> bikes) do.
>
> Just think that if it wasn't for 'mugs' like me, you'd not have those
> second hand cars to buy.
>
> IMO, a 3 year old car with 60k miles on it is anything but "just run
> in" - it's a 3 year old car with 60k miles on it.
Yup.
Having owned my last car from new - 3yrs/80k there is a noticable difference
between the two states.
The engine itself was still perfect as far as I could see and when cleaned
the bodywork was just fine.
There were however a growing collection of small creaks and noises from the
interior , the suspension was showing signs of wear , plenty of servicable
components were reaching the end of their life span so that services
wouldn't just be the basic fixed price any more. More importantly it was now
out of warranty so anything expensive that broke would be my problem.
As it happens the air conditioning clutch/compressor died - a common fault
on VAG cars of this age - which would have been a grand to fix at a main
dealer. It also needed new tyres , an 80k service and that was going to add
up to nearly six months repayments on it's replacement so it was traded in
and a new car bought.
There is something to be said for the peace of mind of a new reliable car
that isn't going to have any unexpected costs to catch you out , and it also
means you get to drive the latest and best model of your choice.
Yes , running an old shed would save me money , but it wouldn't be anywhere
near as nice an experience
--
Alex
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780305 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 10:55 |
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780306 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 10:50 |
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SteveH wrote:
> Why wouldn't you be driving the same car 6 years later? - I assume
> you'll still be driving your car in 12 months time. In which case,
> where's the difference? (I don't fully understand the fear of
> ex-lease / pool / rental cars).
I worked for Avis as a student.
I wouldn't touch an ex-rental with someone else's bargepole.
The two statements *may* be connected.
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780369 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 14:40 |
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"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!! [at] drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4hq424Fq7qiU1 [at] individual.net...
> SteveH wrote:
>> Alison Hopkins <fn62 [at] dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry to raise the very idea of a cage. But has anyone ever used
>>> buyacar.com? I'm pondering the replacement of the Avensis and they
>>> seem to offer one hell of a deal, even with PX.
>>
>> Nearly new from a local car supermarket or even main dealer.
>
> I got nearly 10% off list price on my new car and got to pick the exact
> spec and options I wanted.
>
> By buying a year old 12000 mile example I'd have saved myself possibly an
> extra grand at the most in exchange for a year's less warranty , no choice
> on spec and the knowledge that the previous owner probably drove with no
> mechanical sympathy.
>
> Now if you want to sell your car after a year you will lose a lot of
> money. The difference between what I'd get selling on my car after 12
> months and what a dealer would then re-sell it for is quite a lot. In fact
> I've seen second hand cars being advertised for more than the price I paid
> for a new one.
>
> You don't automatically lose a fortune by buying new unless you are paying
> full retail price.
>
> Buying new from a car broker will save you a huge amount off list and the
> cost to run one from new for three years will be very similar to buying a
> year old one for and running that for the same period
>
Well, that was interesting. Armed with the knowledge of the assorted book
values for the Avensis, and the list price of a new one, I trotted in to my
actual Toyota dealer to have a laugh.
And.....erm.... came out with a new car. I thought they'd come back with
something silly on PX, but they gave me showroom condition value and a
reasonable discount. Result was very little different from the brokers, and
not really worth going to one. And the sales lad will do all the retention
paperwork for the plate, says lazy me.
Basically, he was a new Lad, has a high target and it was close to period
end for their reporting, so they were feeling generous. Kewl.
Only trouble is, as I've ordered same model in same colour and it will have
same plate, HOW will anyone know it's new? :)
Ali
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780377 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 15:02 |
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Timo Geusch wrote:
> > Why wouldn't you be driving the same car 6 years later? - I assume
> > you'll still be driving your car in 12 months time. In which case,
> > where's the difference? (I don't fully understand the fear of
> > ex-lease / pool / rental cars).
>
> I worked for Avis as a student.
>
> I wouldn't touch an ex-rental with someone else's bargepole.
'ang on. Your name is Timo. That's hardly a glowing reference, is it?
;-)
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #780387 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 16:21 |
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Alison Hopkins wrote:
> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!! [at] drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
>> I got nearly 10% off list price on my new car and got to pick the
>> exact spec and options I wanted.
>
> Well, that was interesting. Armed with the knowledge of the assorted
> book values for the Avensis, and the list price of a new one, I
> trotted in to my actual Toyota dealer to have a laugh.
>
> And.....erm.... came out with a new car.
Excellent.
Dealers can be surprisingly reasonable when they know that A) you have a
good idea on prices and B) you are prepared to buy if they offer the right
deal.
They can afford to make very little profit on some of their sales as they
know they'll up the average on others and they are likely to get a steady
stream of servicing income.
>
> Only trouble is, as I've ordered same model in same colour and it
> will have same plate, HOW will anyone know it's new? :)
>
Easy. Get it delivered by the garage on the back of a transporter.
--
Alex
Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #789079 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 20:07 |
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Cab? He'z just ziz guy, you know?
> SteveH wrote:
>
> > > > Only people buying with someone else's money should buy new.
> >
> > (arse, corrected typo)
> >
> > > Why?
> >
> > Because it ranks alongside roulette as a way to burn lots of money
> > very quickly.
>
> That's a very narrow minded viewpoint. I'm looking for a new car, as
> it's less likely to come across mechanical problems than an older s/h
> car. Buying an older s/h increases the risk of having to pay out
> untold sums of money in repairs.
I think you'll find that nowadays, unless the older car is > 5+ years
old and high milage, that just doesn't apply anymore.
> Plus I could have a car that no one
> else has driven, with that fresh new smell.
£50 for a full valet will get you that smell and a car cleaner than one
out the showroom.
> The only advantage I see of buying something a year or so old, is that
> I could probably get more gadgets and goodies for the same price as a
> new one.
Jesus, what goodies do you want? Solid gold wheels? New car say £15k, a
year old model, £10kish. And if its a second hand car, the amount of
goodies doesn't really affect the sale price (unless the garage
saleperson is an idiot) so you can get a fully loaded 1 year old model
for the same £10k or so.
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #789083 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 20:17 |
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Dr Zoidberg? He'z just ziz guy, you know?
> The engine itself was still perfect as far as I could see and when
> cleaned the bodywork was just fine. There were however a growing
> collection of small creaks and noises from the interior , the
> suspension was showing signs of wear,
Should have bought a decent car then.
> plenty of servicable
> components were reaching the end of their life span so that services
> wouldn't just be the basic fixed price any more.
Replace them all. Fixed cost, and you're back on an even keel for the
next 3 years (assuming you're on about clutches, exhausts, tyres,
brakes)
> It also needed new tyres , an 80k service and that
> was going to add up to nearly six months repayments on it's
> replacement so it was traded in and a new car bought.
I really hope that "6 months HP" cost included the air con repair, if
it didn't I'd change garages, pronto!
> There is something to be said for the peace of mind of a new reliable
> car
Never heard of lemons? Anything new is untested and occasionally will
have component failures, requiring the car to languish in the dealers
garage for stupid amounts of time whilst the bits are shipped from
Venus.
Ok, with modern cars thats getting rarer, but just because its new
doesn't imply it will have no problems for 1 or 3 years.
With a used car any manufacturing faults in parts will have shown up
and been sorted out by the person who did buy it new.
> Yes , running an old shed would save me money , but it wouldn't be
> anywhere near as nice an experience
Personally, given the choice of a brand new basic Ford Focus, or a Jag
XK8 that was a few years old, I'd take the Jag anytime :-)
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #789084 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 20:23 |
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wessie? He'z just ziz guy, you know?
> It's not a fear, it's the hassle of having to get more parts changed
> as the car reaches 3-4 years old due to past abuse.
I've had 3 ex lease cars now, none of them have had problems earlier
than normal. I like to think thats down to me being able to spot a car
thats been abused, but...
> I wish you could accept
> that people are different, and not feel obliged to diss everyone who
> posts a query, when they have already made a choice to buy a brand
> new car.
"Diss"?
Steve was expressing his own opinion, not slagging others off but
discussing their opinions.
Since when was expressing an opinion banned in UKRM, comrade?
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| Re: STunningly OT; buyacar.com [message #789086 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 20:30 |
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Dr Zoidberg? He'z just ziz guy, you know?
> I got nearly 10% off list price on my new car and got to pick the
> exact spec and options I wanted.
>
> By buying a year old 12000 mile example I'd have saved myself
> possibly an extra grand at the most in exchange for a year's less
> warranty , no choice on spec and the knowledge that the previous
> owner probably drove with no mechanical sympathy.
Really?
Having a quick google into the average amount of depreciation in the
first 12 months I see numbers like "over 40%"
http://tinyurl.com/lu3uy
saving you another 30% over what you did save.
< thinks : if 30% comes out to a grand, your car must have a RRP of
?3250 - Mini based kit car? >
I know you'll probably looked into it at the time, and *at that time,
with what was available* that was the best you could find, but still it
shows if you weren't in a hurry and could hold out for a couple of
months you might have got the spec & colour car you wanted for 40% off.
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