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| OT: I'm not racist... [message #779695] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 23:39 |
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... but the BNP could have a field day with events
unfolding here at present.
After years of putting up with shit from the local scrotes,
they have turned their attention to a Chines family living
4 houses away from us, and the police are, apparently,
*determined* to nail someone for it - because it is racial
harassment, apparently.
Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what motivates them if
one or more of the local skumbags gets caught - but the
fact they appear to be sparing no effort because of the
racist label gives pause for thought.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779709 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 23:49 |
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Rope wrote
>.. but the BNP could have a field day with events
>unfolding here at present.
>
>After years of putting up with shit from the local scrotes,
>they have turned their attention to a Chines family living
>4 houses away from us, and the police are, apparently,
>*determined* to nail someone for it - because it is racial
>harassment, apparently.
>
>Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what motivates them if
>one or more of the local skumbags gets caught - but the
>fact they appear to be sparing no effort because of the
>racist label gives pause for thought.
I learnded something when that nice young policeman came to visit me.
During conversation:-
Seems to me that the local kiddies have been getting little out of
control for the last year or so but I suppose you are much better placed
to know all about it than me.
"Technically speaking it has been 5 years, Sir."
I didn't voice the thought but 5 years seems a long time for it to go
on. Shame we haven't got any wogs round here really so consider
yourself lucky.
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steve auvache
one step closer to The Perfect Date.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779713 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 23:56 |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:39:05 +0100, Rope <spam [at] ukrm.net> wrote:
>.. but the BNP could have a field day with events
>unfolding here at present.
>
>After years of putting up with shit from the local scrotes,
>they have turned their attention to a Chines family living
>4 houses away from us, and the police are, apparently,
>*determined* to nail someone for it - because it is racial
>harassment, apparently.
This "racial harrassment" and all the other "racial" crimes business
really winds me up.
Harrassment, whatever its motivation, can be a crime. To
sub-categorise it as racial or not is unnecessary and will exacerbate
and perpetuate racial discrimination.
>Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what motivates them if
>one or more of the local skumbags gets caught - but the
>fact they appear to be sparing no effort because of the
>racist label gives pause for thought.
If I call someone a "Paki dipstick", why should that be treated any
differently in law to calling someone a "Ginga cunt", or a
"Football-following arsehole"?
Fucking political correctness stupidity gets right up my hooter.
--
Chris
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779791 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 01:43 |
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779826 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 07:23 |
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Halla wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:39:05 +0100, Rope <spam [at] ukrm.net> blethered:
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>
> <looks at subject line>
> Notice how anyone who says that usually goes on to say something
> racist almost immediately?
>
>> .. but the BNP could have a field day with events
>> unfolding here at present.
>
> FFS don't tip them off, then.
>
>>
>> After years of putting up with shit from the local scrotes,
>> they have turned their attention to a Chines family living
>> 4 houses away from us, and the police are, apparently,
>> *determined* to nail someone for it - because it is racial
>> harassment, apparently.
>>
>> Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what motivates them if
>> one or more of the local skumbags gets caught - but the
>> fact they appear to be sparing no effort because of the
>> racist label gives pause for thought.
>
> What do the folk four houses away think of it all?
I expect they "don't want to get involved"
And the police have to get involved if the "r" word is mentioned, even if
the racial motive only exists in the minds of the complainant.
--
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779828 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 07:51 |
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ChrisDC wrote:
> "Football-following arsehole"?
Fuck you... big nose!
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779829 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 07:54 |
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Rope wrote:
> After years of putting up with shit from the local scrotes,
> they have turned their attention to a Chines family living
> 4 houses away from us, and the police are, apparently,
> *determined* to nail someone for it - because it is racial
> harassment, apparently.
Is this cos you is white?
Don't forget that you have a 'race' too.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779862 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 09:36 |
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Halla wrote:
> <looks at subject line>
> Notice how anyone who says that usually goes on to say something
> racist almost immediately?
Heh, I thought exactly the same.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779863 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 09:42 |
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steve auvache wrote:
> Shame we haven't got any wogs round here really so consider
> yourself lucky.
Maybe you have. You just need to learn how to tell the difference.
http://www.ep.tc/howtospotajap/howto03.html
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| Re: I'm not racist... [message #779865 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 09:57 |
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"Rope" <spam [at] ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:VA.000022ba.07e88b82 [at] ukrm.net...
> .. but the BNP could have a field day with events
> unfolding here at present.
>
> After years of putting up with shit from the local scrotes,
> they have turned their attention to a Chines family living
> 4 houses away from us, and the police are, apparently,
> *determined* to nail someone for it - because it is racial
> harassment, apparently.
>
> Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what motivates them if
> one or more of the local skumbags gets caught - but the
> fact they appear to be sparing no effort because of the
> racist label gives pause for thought.
I don't know how you came to be a victim of the local "scrotes". However,
it is absolutely vital that our society treats victmisation of people
because of their race as a more serious offence that "ordinary" harrassment.
Having seen an Asian-owned shop near me surrounded by about 50 chavs yelling
threats and racist insults (the shop owner had the temerity to challenge
some kid who was nicking stuff) it is easy to see why racially motivated
crime is such a serious threat. I can't imagine a white shopkeeper in the
area ever being subjected to this kind of harrassment. Ultimately, if you
were to move elsewhere, the current problems for you would disappear. If
the Chinese family were to move they might well just find themselves
targeted by racists in their new area. YOU can change your address if you
want to escape, THEY can't change their skins.
--
Tony
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779867 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 10:13 |
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"Cab" <my_email_address_is_in_my_sig [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:xn0eopm6y16k9w001 [at] rosbif.org...
> Halla wrote:
>
>> <looks at subject line>
>> Notice how anyone who says that usually goes on to say something
>> racist almost immediately?
>
> Heh, I thought exactly the same.
>
"Oh, but some of my best friends are.... <fill in gap>."
Ali
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779871 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 10:16 |
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"Alison Hopkins" <fn62 [at] dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:4hp20pFkutoU1 [at] individual.net...
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> "Cab" <my_email_address_is_in_my_sig [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:xn0eopm6y16k9w001 [at] rosbif.org...
>> Halla wrote:
>>
>>> <looks at subject line>
>>> Notice how anyone who says that usually goes on to say something
>>> racist almost immediately?
>>
>> Heh, I thought exactly the same.
>>
>
> "Oh, but some of my best friends are.... <fill in gap>."
Cunts?
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779878 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 10:40 |
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Cane wrote:
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> Is this cos you is white?
> Don't forget that you have a 'race' too.
Apparently not...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07 /13/nwhite13.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/07/13/ixuknews.html
and along the same lines, this made me laugh too:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4569006.stm
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779880 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 10:44 |
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antonye wrote:
> Cane wrote:
> >
> > Is this cos you is white?
> > Don't forget that you have a 'race' too.
>
> Apparently not...
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07 /13/nwhite13.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/07/13/ixuknews.html
"It is lawful to offer training only for people from a certain racial
group or to encourage people from that racial group to apply."
Fuck me. It's like Nazi Germany.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779885 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 10:57 |
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On 14 Jul 2006 01:40:15 -0700, "antonye" <antonye [at] ukrm.net> wrote:
>and along the same lines, this made me laugh too:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4569006.stm
"In his letter, the constable said: " ... `the man in black' to
accompany a picture of the curator."
I question the negative use of the word `black' in these contexts."
Cool. Fine by me.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779891 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 11:10 |
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"Dan White" <me [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
news:f--dnbbAMfx1zyrZRVnyjQ [at] pipex.net...
> "Alison Hopkins" <fn62 [at] dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:4hp20pFkutoU1 [at] individual.net...
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>> "Cab" <my_email_address_is_in_my_sig [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:xn0eopm6y16k9w001 [at] rosbif.org...
>>> Halla wrote:
>>>
>>>> <looks at subject line>
>>>> Notice how anyone who says that usually goes on to say something
>>>> racist almost immediately?
>>>
>>> Heh, I thought exactly the same.
>>>
>>
>> "Oh, but some of my best friends are.... <fill in gap>."
>
> Cunts?
>
Goes without saying, shirley.
Ali
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779892 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 11:10 |
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antonye wrote:
> and along the same lines, this made me laugh too:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4569006.stm
"We live in times where language/images and motives can easily be
misinterpreted and misunderstood."
No fucking shit, Sherlock. Hopefully someone will try to remove that
chip from his shoulder with a chainsaw.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779901 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 11:23 |
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antonye wrote:
> > Is this cos you is white?
> > Don't forget that you have a 'race' too.
>
> Apparently not...
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07 /13/nwhite13.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/07/13/ixuknews.html
>
> and along the same lines, this made me laugh too:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4569006.stm
Have I ever thanked you for introducing me to
http://www.rent-a-negro.com/ ?
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779907 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 11:32 |
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"Alison Hopkins" <fn62 [at] dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:4hp5bpFlfdkU1 [at] individual.net...
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> "Dan White" <me [at] privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:f--dnbbAMfx1zyrZRVnyjQ [at] pipex.net...
>> "Alison Hopkins" <fn62 [at] dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
>> news:4hp20pFkutoU1 [at] individual.net...
<snip>
>
>>> "Oh, but some of my best friends are.... <fill in gap>."
>>
>> Cunts?
>
> Goes without saying, shirley.
You could be right, and don't call me Shirley.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779928 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 12:34 |
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Halla <halla [at] drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:39:05 +0100, Rope <spam [at] ukrm.net> blethered:
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>
><looks at subject line>
>Notice how anyone who says that usually goes on to say something
>racist almost immediately?
that's perfectly standard, right up there with "don't get me wrong,
some of my best friends are niggers".
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d.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #779929 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 12:40 |
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toad_oftoadhall [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>antonye wrote:
>> Cane wrote:
>> >
>> > Is this cos you is white?
>> > Don't forget that you have a 'race' too.
>>
>> Apparently not...
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07 /13/nwhite13.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/07/13/ixuknews.html
>
>"It is lawful to offer training only for people from a certain racial
>group or to encourage people from that racial group to apply."
Uhuh. And if the council concerned currently employed 100% black
people, it would be perfectly legal for them under the same law to
stipulate that the position was not open to black applicants. It's a
fairly stupid law, because it's not the best way to go about
addressing the issue[1], but it's not specifically anti- any racial
group, including caucasians.
>Fuck me. It's like Nazi Germany.
no it isn't you stupid twat.
[1] it's arguable that there is no issue in certain circumstances -
for instance, if a white male was unsuccesful in trying to join, say,
an Asian Women's drop-in centre, you wouldn't cry "racist", you'd cry
"twat".
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d.
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| Re: I'm not racist... [message #779991 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:23 |
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780005 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:51 |
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darsy wrote:
> toad_oftoadhall [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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> >antonye wrote:
> >> Cane wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Is this cos you is white?
> >> > Don't forget that you have a 'race' too.
> >>
> >> Apparently not...
> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07 /13/nwhite13.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/07/13/ixuknews.html
> >
> >"It is lawful to offer training only for people from a certain racial
> >group or to encourage people from that racial group to apply."
>
> Uhuh. And if the council concerned currently employed 100% black
> people, it would be perfectly legal for them under the same law to
> stipulate that the position was not open to black applicants
Or, I assume, if the council employed 100 per cent whites it would also
be prefectly legal to stipulate no blacks could apply to keep it all
nice and white? Or is that not that case? In which case your point has
some vailidity.
> >Fuck me. It's like Nazi Germany.
>
> no it isn't you stupid twat.
Selecting people for jobs on racial grounds *isn't* like Nazi Germany?
I'm waiting to be convinced.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780013 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 15:23 |
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toad_oftoadhall [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>darsy wrote:
>> toad_oftoadhall [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Uhuh. And if the council concerned currently employed 100% black
>> people, it would be perfectly legal for them under the same law to
>> stipulate that the position was not open to black applicants
>
>Or, I assume, if the council employed 100 per cent whites it would also
>be prefectly legal to stipulate no blacks could apply to keep it all
>nice and white? Or is that not that case?
not, it's not the case. They can only artificially adjust the race of
the available position if their current staffing level doesn't more or
less reflect the variation of races in the local area.
>In which case your point has some vailidity.
>
>> >Fuck me. It's like Nazi Germany.
>>
>> no it isn't you stupid twat.
>
>Selecting people for jobs on racial grounds *isn't* like Nazi Germany?
>I'm waiting to be convinced.
Here's a hint: Nazi Germany was all about promoting one race over all
others, not attempting to make sure all races were proportionately
represented in public sector employment.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780037 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 16:03 |
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darsy wrote:
> toad_oftoadhall [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> >darsy wrote:
> >> toad_oftoadhall [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>
> >> Uhuh. And if the council concerned currently employed 100% black
> >> people, it would be perfectly legal for them under the same law to
> >> stipulate that the position was not open to black applicants
> >
> >Or, I assume, if the council employed 100 per cent whites it would also
> >be prefectly legal to stipulate no blacks could apply to keep it all
> >nice and white? Or is that not that case?
>
> not, it's not the case. They can only artificially adjust the race of
> the available position if their current staffing level doesn't more or
> less reflect the variation of races in the local area.
Ok, stupid rather than a Orwellian, then.
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| Re: I'm not racist... [message #780074 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 18:22 |
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"dwb" <parc_erom_tey [at] crossdata.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4hpgmaFljn7U1 [at] individual.net...
> TMack wrote:
> > YOU can change your address
> > if you want to escape, THEY can't change their skins.
>
> <Hog/Cane>
>
> They could go back to China
That approach doesn't really work where racism is concerned. Where do all
the people of non-white race born in the UK with full British nationality go
to? Where do mixed race people go? Where should Jews go? Do people of
Afro-Caribbean origin go back to the Caribbean or back to Africa? Even if
you are talking about first-generation immigrants without British
nationality, where should, say, a Zimbabwean who is a political opponent of
Mugabe go to?
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780121 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:24 |
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Halla spoke:
> <looks at subject line>
> Notice how anyone who says that usually goes on to say something
> racist almost immediately?
Notice how, when anyone mentions race, with racist intent or not,
some BHL rolls out a pat phrase like this tainting any further
serious discussion?
> What do the folk four houses away think of it all?
Only one of them speaks (a little) English. They have had
harassment for a while, but this is the first time they have
reported it - because they were also burgled.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780122 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:24 |
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Dan L spoke:
> > What do the folk four houses away think of it all?
>
> I expect they "don't want to get involved"
No - that is the rest of the neighbourhood.
> And the police have to get involved if the "r" word is mentioned, even if
> the racial motive only exists in the minds of the complainant.
Hardly - I don't think they have reported it specifically as racist, but
the police are, perhaps, using this as justification for at last putting
some of the local scrotes out of circulation.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780123 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:24 |
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Cab spoke:
> > Notice how anyone who says that usually goes on to say something
> > racist almost immediately?
>
> Heh, I thought exactly the same.
OK - so what did I say which was racist?
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| Re: I'm not racist... [message #780126 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 20:39 |
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TMack spoke:
> I don't know how you came to be a victim of the local "scrotes". However,
> it is absolutely vital that our society treats victmisation of people
> because of their race as a more serious offence that "ordinary" harrassment.
> Having seen an Asian-owned shop near me surrounded by about 50 chavs yelling
> threats and racist insults (the shop owner had the temerity to challenge
> some kid who was nicking stuff) it is easy to see why racially motivated
> crime is such a serious threat. I can't imagine a white shopkeeper in the
> area ever being subjected to this kind of harrassment. Ultimately, if you
> were to move elsewhere, the current problems for you would disappear. If
> the Chinese family were to move they might well just find themselves
> targeted by racists in their new area. YOU can change your address if you
> want to escape, THEY can't change their skins.
Wrong - very very wrong.
The family are related to, and work in the local Chinese take-away, which is
not targeted.
The English owner of the chip-shop *was* targeted.
The local 7-11 is now a 7-10, because the staff were afraid to work or to
leave at 11:00 p.m. because of repeated harassment.
People or houses are targeted by this group if you dare defy, retaliate, or
report them, it is as simple as that.
--
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780161 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 22:03 |
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:57:22 +0100, Pip <gingerblokeNOSPAM [at] NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote in <qumeb2th214fgm5qa8jsf087d23vmch294 [at] 4ax.com>:
> On 14 Jul 2006 01:40:15 -0700, "antonye" <antonye [at] ukrm.net> wrote:
>>and along the same lines, this made me laugh too:
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4569006.stm
> "In his letter, the constable said: " ... `the man in black' to
> accompany a picture of the curator."
> I question the negative use of the word `black' in these contexts."
> Cool. Fine by me.
OK, let's hear you sing "I Walk the Line".
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780233 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 00:55 |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "antonye" <antonye [at] ukrm.net> saying
something like:
>and along the same lines, this made me laugh too:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4569006.stm
Warra wanker. He must twist and turn all night thinking about black
paint and blackboards.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780256 ] |
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780257 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 02:31 |
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780273 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 09:15 |
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Dan L wrote:
> Rope wrote:
> > Dan L spoke:
> >>> What do the folk four houses away think of it all?
> > >
> >> I expect they "don't want to get involved"
> >
> > No - that is the rest of the neighbourhood.
> >
> >> And the police have to get involved if the "r" word is mentioned,
> >> even if the racial motive only exists in the minds of the
> >> complainant.
> >
> > Hardly - I don't think they have reported it specifically as racist,
> > but the police are, perhaps, using this as justification for at last
> > putting some of the local scrotes out of circulation.
>
> If it's justifiably racist in intention, then I hope the
> institutionally racist Police nail the scrotes with extreme prejudice.
Yep, that reads better.
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780275 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 09:19 |
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Krusty wrote:
> Dan L wrote:
>
>> Rope wrote:
>>> Dan L spoke:
>>>>> What do the folk four houses away think of it all?
>>>>
>>>> I expect they "don't want to get involved"
>>>
>>> No - that is the rest of the neighbourhood.
>>>
>>>> And the police have to get involved if the "r" word is mentioned,
>>>> even if the racial motive only exists in the minds of the
>>>> complainant.
>>>
>>> Hardly - I don't think they have reported it specifically as racist,
>>> but the police are, perhaps, using this as justification for at last
>>> putting some of the local scrotes out of circulation.
>>
>> If it's justifiably racist in intention, then I hope the
>> institutionally racist Police nail the scrotes with extreme
>> prejudice.
>
> Yep, that reads better.
Heh, I saw what you did there ;)
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| Re: OT: I'm not racist... [message #780284 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 09:54 |
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Halla spoke:
> >OK - so what did I say which was racist?
>
> Read like pre-emptive defensiveness here. Could have just said 'Result
> - plod have got involed now the Chinese family a few doors down got
> picked on, and they're as puzzled as the rest of us' and let it stand
> on its own merits. Saying 'I'm not racist but...' gives off all the
> cues of something that's going to be followed by a racist statement.
So was it followed by a racist statement?
The whole point is the frustration felt in that the police are only
seeming to make a concerted effort against long-standing trouble makers
because of the racist implications of their actions - despite years of
complaints and incidents against us and other locals.
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| Re: I'm not racist... [message #780294 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 10:19 |
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"Rope" <spam [at] ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:VA.000022c0.0c6a24ac [at] ukrm.net...
> TMack spoke:
> > I don't know how you came to be a victim of the local "scrotes".
However,
> > it is absolutely vital that our society treats victmisation of people
> > because of their race as a more serious offence that "ordinary"
harrassment.
> > Having seen an Asian-owned shop near me surrounded by about 50 chavs
yelling
> > threats and racist insults (the shop owner had the temerity to challenge
> > some kid who was nicking stuff) it is easy to see why racially motivated
> > crime is such a serious threat. I can't imagine a white shopkeeper in
the
> > area ever being subjected to this kind of harrassment. Ultimately, if
you
> > were to move elsewhere, the current problems for you would disappear.
If
> > the Chinese family were to move they might well just find themselves
> > targeted by racists in their new area. YOU can change your address if
you
> > want to escape, THEY can't change their skins.
>
> Wrong - very very wrong.
>
> The family are related to, and work in the local Chinese take-away, which
is
> not targeted.
> The English owner of the chip-shop *was* targeted.
> The local 7-11 is now a 7-10, because the staff were afraid to work or to
> leave at 11:00 p.m. because of repeated harassment.
>
> People or houses are targeted by this group if you dare defy, retaliate,
or
> report them, it is as simple as that.
You completely miss the point. The issue that you raised was the higher
priority given to cases where racial harassment may be an issue. I have
given some of the reasons why it is necessary to do this. Whether or not
race is actually an issue in one particular case is irrelevant in terms of
establishing a policy for cases in general. Anyway, until it is
investigated racial harrassment can't be ruled out. The policy has to be
that where there is good reason to suspect that racism may be an additional
element to an offence it should get higher priority. Incidentally, are you
absolutely sure that the harrassment of this family has no racist aspect? I
would be VERY surprised if the local scrotes are studiously ignoring the
racial origins of their victims.
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Tony
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| Re: I'm not racist... [message #780308 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 11:17 |
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TMack <REMOVETHECAPStonymackin [at] bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> TMack spoke:
>> > I don't know how you came to be a victim of the local "scrotes". However,
>> > it is absolutely vital that our society treats victmisation of people
>> > because of their race as a more serious offence that "ordinary" harrassment.
>> > [...]
>> > Ultimately, if you were to move elsewhere, the current problems for you
>> > would disappear. If the Chinese family were to move they might well just
>> > find themselves targeted by racists in their new area. YOU can change your
>> > address if you want to escape, THEY can't change their skins.
>>
>
> You completely miss the point. The issue that you raised was the higher
> priority given to cases where racial harassment may be an issue. I have
> given some of the reasons why it is necessary to do this.
Not really - you've just stated that it's more serious, and that rope
could move away from trouble and the Chinese family couldn't.
Even if that did make the offence more serious (which I don't think it
does) it's not actually true - Rope may be trapped by finances or
family, and the Chinese might find it easy to move to a nicer area.
> I would be VERY surprised if the local scrotes are studiously ignoring the
> racial origins of their victims.
Is every harassment that makes use of a physical attribute worse than one
that does not?
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| Re: I'm not racist... [message #780321 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 12:48 |
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"Simon Gates" <Simon [at] invalid.semi-evolved.org> wrote in message
news:slrnebh2ds.6jb.Simon [at] mini.semi-evolved.org...
> TMack <REMOVETHECAPStonymackin [at] bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> TMack spoke:
> >> > I don't know how you came to be a victim of the local "scrotes".
However,
> >> > it is absolutely vital that our society treats victmisation of people
> >> > because of their race as a more serious offence that "ordinary"
harrassment.
> >> > [...]
> >> > Ultimately, if you were to move elsewhere, the current problems for
you
> >> > would disappear. If the Chinese family were to move they might well
just
> >> > find themselves targeted by racists in their new area. YOU can
change your
> >> > address if you want to escape, THEY can't change their skins.
> >>
> >
> > You completely miss the point. The issue that you raised was the higher
> > priority given to cases where racial harassment may be an issue. I have
> > given some of the reasons why it is necessary to do this.
>
> Not really - you've just stated that it's more serious, and that rope
> could move away from trouble and the Chinese family couldn't.
>
> Even if that did make the offence more serious (which I don't think it
> does) it's not actually true - Rope may be trapped by finances or
> family, and the Chinese might find it easy to move to a nicer area.
>
>
> > I would be VERY surprised if the local scrotes are studiously ignoring
the
> > racial origins of their victims.
>
> Is every harassment that makes use of a physical attribute worse than one
> that does not?
You are making the same mistake as Rope - you can't generalise from one
single case in order to criticise a general policy for all cases. It would
be ludicrous to say that "every harassment that makes use of a physical
attribute worse than one that does not". However, it is not ludicrous to
state that harassment based on physical attributes that can not be changed
is generally worse that most other kinds of harassment (because most
physical attributes can't be changed so victims have no way of avoiding it)
.. For racial minoroty people living in a society where racism is quite
widespread there might no escape from such harassment - hence the need for
more protection.
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Tony
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