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| Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777864] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 21:51 |
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I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
or so.
Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
I changed the flasher, but it didn't change a thing. Is there a relay
that may cause this glitch?
Thx
Dave
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777866 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 22:10 |
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dave wrote:
> I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
> or so.
> Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
>
> When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
> flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
> warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
>
> I changed the flasher, but it didn't change a thing. Is there a relay
> that may cause this glitch?
>
> Thx
> Dave
A poor connection (power or ground) will cause this as the flasher
works based on current- too little current, strange behavior.
If you've gone to lower wattage bulbs, this can happen as well.
You prob. have to clean all the connections, and the sockets.
All else fails, an electronic flasher (which has to be used if you go
to LED turn signals) may fix it.
Dave
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777867 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 22:10 |
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dave wrote:
> I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
> or so.
> Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
>
> When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
> flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
> warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
>
> I changed the flasher, but it didn't change a thing. Is there a relay
> that may cause this glitch?
you might be low on blinking fluid.... :-D
sorry, could not resist...
seriously though, your blinker relay (the black box that make the lamps
flash, I suspect it is what you call flasher) is not adequate for your
bike. I had a bike where the "flasher" went bad, so I replaced it.
Well, I replaced a NX200 flasher with a CB400 flasher, because it was
readily available and the connectors looked the same. I got a few
blinks: After a long time, it flashed once... Another loooooong delay,
another flash. So, I got a CG125 flasher, which was readily available
too, but the connectors were different, I just soldered the wires
directly on the flasher terminals. Up to the day I sold that bike, it
blinked okay, a little too fast for my liking, but it blinked and
pleased the guy at traffic department inspection...
I, in your place, would get another flasher, different model of what
you have now and see what happens. Even a car's relay might work...
My current bike has an fully electronic flasher, with no relays. It
blinks very fast when the battery is not fully charged.
-- Tiago
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777869 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 22:33 |
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"dave" <dave1 [at] juno.com> wrote in message
news:1152820286.820491.101210 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
> or so.
> Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
>
> When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
> flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
> warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
>
> I changed the flasher, but it didn't change a thing. Is there a relay
> that may cause this glitch?
I had the exact same problem and can 99% guarantee the
solution.
Take your turn signal switch apart. It is quite rebuildable.
The contacts in the switch are copper. Buff them up with
600 grit emery paper. Clean, and put on a thin coat of grease.
Reassemble. Problem solved.
-Jeff Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
'99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94 XR650L-HellSickle
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777870 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 22:27 |
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Actually, I did use a car flasher, because it was priced better than a
Honda flasher. The behavior was identical to the Honda flasher, so I
put the Honda flasher back on.
I will try the ground idea from the previous post. I really don't
think that it is the flasher. I was hoping that there was a different
relay somewhere.
thanks for the ideas
Tiago Rocha wrote:
> dave wrote:
> > I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
> > or so.
> > Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
> >
> > When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
> > flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
> > warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
> >
> > I changed the flasher, but it didn't change a thing. Is there a relay
> > that may cause this glitch?
>
> you might be low on blinking fluid.... :-D
>
> sorry, could not resist...
>
> seriously though, your blinker relay (the black box that make the lamps
> flash, I suspect it is what you call flasher) is not adequate for your
> bike. I had a bike where the "flasher" went bad, so I replaced it.
> Well, I replaced a NX200 flasher with a CB400 flasher, because it was
> readily available and the connectors looked the same. I got a few
> blinks: After a long time, it flashed once... Another loooooong delay,
> another flash. So, I got a CG125 flasher, which was readily available
> too, but the connectors were different, I just soldered the wires
> directly on the flasher terminals. Up to the day I sold that bike, it
> blinked okay, a little too fast for my liking, but it blinked and
> pleased the guy at traffic department inspection...
>
> I, in your place, would get another flasher, different model of what
> you have now and see what happens. Even a car's relay might work...
>
> My current bike has an fully electronic flasher, with no relays. It
> blinks very fast when the battery is not fully charged.
>
> -- Tiago
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777871 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 22:29 |
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Jeff Deeney wrote:
> "dave" <dave1 [at] juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1152820286.820491.101210 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
> > or so.
> > Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
> >
> > When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
> > flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
> > warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
> >
> > I changed the flasher, but it didn't change a thing. Is there a relay
> > that may cause this glitch?
>
> I had the exact same problem and can 99% guarantee the
> solution.
>
> Take your turn signal switch apart. It is quite rebuildable.
> The contacts in the switch are copper. Buff them up with
> 600 grit emery paper. Clean, and put on a thin coat of grease.
> Reassemble. Problem solved.
>
> -Jeff Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
> '99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94 XR650L-HellSickle
> We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
Or, if you submerge your bike in gritty streams regularly , you can
just run the switch back and forth a bit.
DDave
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777872 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 23:10 |
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(Please!) Correct me if I am wrong.
The electronic flasher only works on a bike with a battery.
ie: Rectified/Regulated 12VDC power, not Regulated 12VAC.
from the stator.
The reason I ask is your reply that to run LED signals you would
need the electronic flasher.....
This goes back to my thread a few months ago about using LEDs
on my GasGas300 which is regulated and not rectified. I never did
come up with a final answer. And so far have not tried to hook them
up to the bikes electrical system... They do look cool uselessly
sitting
there next to the headlight.
You may have the answer to my question sitting right there in your
post.
SloCalSpode
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XR650L_Dave wrote:
<SNIP>
> All else fails, an electronic flasher (which has to be used if you go
> to LED turn signals) may fix it.
>
> Dave
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777873 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 23:18 |
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SloCalSpode wrote:
> (Please!) Correct me if I am wrong.
> The electronic flasher only works on a bike with a battery.
> ie: Rectified/Regulated 12VDC power, not Regulated 12VAC.
> from the stator.
> The reason I ask is your reply that to run LED signals you would
> need the electronic flasher.....
> This goes back to my thread a few months ago about using LEDs
> on my GasGas300 which is regulated and not rectified. I never did
> come up with a final answer. And so far have not tried to hook them
> up to the bikes electrical system... They do look cool uselessly
> sitting
> there next to the headlight.
> You may have the answer to my question sitting right there in your
> post.
> SloCalSpode
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------
> XR650L_Dave wrote:
> <SNIP>
> > All else fails, an electronic flasher (which has to be used if you go
> > to LED turn signals) may fix it.
> >
> > Dave
I _think_ my XL200R had a rectifier, but perhaps not.
Good ques- isd it an AC system or DC system?
DDave
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777907 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 14:08 |
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forgive my ignorance, honda made the xr for a long time.....
is the unit you have a 6 or 12 volt system.
"XR650L_Dave" <spamTHISbrp [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152825539.075799.23220 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> SloCalSpode wrote:
>> (Please!) Correct me if I am wrong.
>> The electronic flasher only works on a bike with a battery.
>> ie: Rectified/Regulated 12VDC power, not Regulated 12VAC.
>> from the stator.
>> The reason I ask is your reply that to run LED signals you would
>> need the electronic flasher.....
>> This goes back to my thread a few months ago about using LEDs
>> on my GasGas300 which is regulated and not rectified. I never did
>> come up with a final answer. And so far have not tried to hook them
>> up to the bikes electrical system... They do look cool uselessly
>> sitting
>> there next to the headlight.
>> You may have the answer to my question sitting right there in your
>> post.
>> SloCalSpode
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------
>> XR650L_Dave wrote:
>> <SNIP>
>> > All else fails, an electronic flasher (which has to be used if you go
>> > to LED turn signals) may fix it.
>> >
>> > Dave
>
> I _think_ my XL200R had a rectifier, but perhaps not.
> Good ques- isd it an AC system or DC system?
>
> DDave
>
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777911 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 15:09 |
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The "parts" inside of the flasher, uses electricity, more correctly
"current" measured in ampers, to warm up pieces of metal that will bend as
it warms, to a point where the contact is interupted. now this is why cars,
many times when a trailer wiring setup is added, they blink like mad (extra
fast), because extra current sucked through the turn signals heating the
metals in there much more rapidly, and you replace with a better "rated"
one...
I suspect that when it is cold, it takes a second longer to cause the heat
to bend inside the flasher, another thing is maybe just barely enough "load"
on the circuit for its rating. inclination is that your system may have
more flasher than needed, maybe they assume the bike is going to be adorned
with more lights, you know like all the GoldWings I have ever seen?
dave enlightened us with:
> I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
> or so.
> Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
>
> When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
> flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
> warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
>
For clarification, the lights light, right away correct, but it takes longer
before they actually blink, then I am right.
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777918 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 16:25 |
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No,,, there is no light at all for 30 seconds. Then it comes on and
begins to flash.
It takes longer when cold.
> >
> For clarification, the lights light, right away correct, but it takes longer
> before they actually blink, then I am right.
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777919 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 16:38 |
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PlowBoy wrote:
> The "parts" inside of the flasher, uses electricity, more correctly
> "current" measured in ampers, to warm up pieces of metal that will bend as
> it warms, to a point where the contact is interupted. now this is why cars,
> many times when a trailer wiring setup is added, they blink like mad (extra
> fast), because extra current sucked through the turn signals heating the
> metals in there much more rapidly, and you replace with a better "rated"
> one...
>
> I suspect that when it is cold, it takes a second longer to cause the heat
> to bend inside the flasher, another thing is maybe just barely enough "load"
> on the circuit for its rating. inclination is that your system may have
> more flasher than needed, maybe they assume the bike is going to be adorned
> with more lights, you know like all the GoldWings I have ever seen?
>
>
> dave enlightened us with:
> > I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
> > or so.
> > Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
> >
> > When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
> > flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
> > warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
> >
> For clarification, the lights light, right away correct, but it takes longer
> before they actually blink, then I am right.
There are 3 'types' of flashers.
American flashers operate the way you describe.
Japanese auto flashers work like US flashers in that when you hit the
turn signals, the bulb immed., then flashes off.
-but-
if you pull a bulb in a US setup, the lights flash slower, or don't
flash. Most Jp cars, if you pull a bulb, they flash much faster.
Japanese bikes have the annoying trait of -not- lighting as soon as you
hit the switch. You hit the switch, then it does half-a-flash-cycle, or
whatever, then it lights. Annoying, and a small safety impairment.
DDave
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777922 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 17:04 |
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"XR650L_Dave" <
> PlowBoy wrote:
>> The "parts" inside of the flasher, uses electricity, more correctly
>> "current" measured in ampers, to warm up pieces of metal that will bend
>> as
>> it warms, to a point where the contact is interupted. now this is why
>> cars,
>> many times when a trailer wiring setup is added, they blink like mad
>> (extra
>> fast), because extra current sucked through the turn signals heating the
>> metals in there much more rapidly, and you replace with a better "rated"
>> one...
>>
>> I suspect that when it is cold, it takes a second longer to cause the
>> heat
>> to bend inside the flasher, another thing is maybe just barely enough
>> "load"
>> on the circuit for its rating. inclination is that your system may have
>> more flasher than needed, maybe they assume the bike is going to be
>> adorned
>> with more lights, you know like all the GoldWings I have ever seen?
>>
>>
>> dave enlightened us with:
>> > I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
>> > or so.
>> > Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
>> >
>> > When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
>> > flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
>> > warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
>> >
>> For clarification, the lights light, right away correct, but it takes
>> longer
>> before they actually blink, then I am right.
>
> There are 3 'types' of flashers.
>
> American flashers operate the way you describe.
> Japanese auto flashers work like US flashers in that when you hit the
> turn signals, the bulb immed., then flashes off.
> -but-
> if you pull a bulb in a US setup, the lights flash slower, or don't
> flash. Most Jp cars, if you pull a bulb, they flash much faster.
>
> Japanese bikes have the annoying trait of -not- lighting as soon as you
> hit the switch. You hit the switch, then it does half-a-flash-cycle, or
> whatever, then it lights. Annoying, and a small safety impairment.
>
> DDave
dave you forgot the KX style flasher
http://www.spodefest.net/rmd/isf02_camp/photos/photo11.jpg
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777925 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 17:09 |
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>On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:04:02 GMT, "john" <john-----rmd---removedashes--- [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>"XR650L_Dave" <
>> PlowBoy wrote:
>>> The "parts" inside of the flasher, uses electricity, more correctly
>>> "current" measured in ampers, to warm up pieces of metal that will bend
>>> as
>>> it warms, to a point where the contact is interupted. now this is why
>>> cars,
>>> many times when a trailer wiring setup is added, they blink like mad
>>> (extra
>>> fast), because extra current sucked through the turn signals heating the
>>> metals in there much more rapidly, and you replace with a better "rated"
>>> one...
>>>
>>> I suspect that when it is cold, it takes a second longer to cause the
>>> heat
>>> to bend inside the flasher, another thing is maybe just barely enough
>>> "load"
>>> on the circuit for its rating. inclination is that your system may have
>>> more flasher than needed, maybe they assume the bike is going to be
>>> adorned
>>> with more lights, you know like all the GoldWings I have ever seen?
>>>
>>>
>>> dave enlightened us with:
>>> > I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
>>> > or so.
>>> > Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
>>> >
>>> > When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
>>> > flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
>>> > warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
>>> >
>>> For clarification, the lights light, right away correct, but it takes
>>> longer
>>> before they actually blink, then I am right.
>>
>> There are 3 'types' of flashers.
>>
>> American flashers operate the way you describe.
>> Japanese auto flashers work like US flashers in that when you hit the
>> turn signals, the bulb immed., then flashes off.
>> -but-
>> if you pull a bulb in a US setup, the lights flash slower, or don't
>> flash. Most Jp cars, if you pull a bulb, they flash much faster.
>>
>> Japanese bikes have the annoying trait of -not- lighting as soon as you
>> hit the switch. You hit the switch, then it does half-a-flash-cycle, or
>> whatever, then it lights. Annoying, and a small safety impairment.
>>
>> DDave
>
>dave you forgot the KX style flasher
>http://www.spodefest.net/rmd/isf02_camp/photos/photo11.jpg
>
Remember; Only half what you see him do.
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777926 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 17:17 |
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john wrote:
>
> dave you forgot the KX style flasher
See? Obscure but clever...and definately funny.
Jay
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777940 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 19:15 |
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john wrote:
> "XR650L_Dave" <
> > PlowBoy wrote:
> >> The "parts" inside of the flasher, uses electricity, more correctly
> >> "current" measured in ampers, to warm up pieces of metal that will bend
> >> as
> >> it warms, to a point where the contact is interupted. now this is why
> >> cars,
> >> many times when a trailer wiring setup is added, they blink like mad
> >> (extra
> >> fast), because extra current sucked through the turn signals heating the
> >> metals in there much more rapidly, and you replace with a better "rated"
> >> one...
> >>
> >> I suspect that when it is cold, it takes a second longer to cause the
> >> heat
> >> to bend inside the flasher, another thing is maybe just barely enough
> >> "load"
> >> on the circuit for its rating. inclination is that your system may have
> >> more flasher than needed, maybe they assume the bike is going to be
> >> adorned
> >> with more lights, you know like all the GoldWings I have ever seen?
> >>
> >>
> >> dave enlightened us with:
> >> > I have been having problems with my turn signals for the last 5 years
> >> > or so.
> >> > Worse when it is cold, but always an issue
> >> >
> >> > When I hit the switch for my signal, there is a long delay before the
> >> > flasher lights off. The delay is maybe 10 - 15 seconds when it is
> >> > warm, and closer to 30 - 45 seconds when it is cold out.
> >> >
> >> For clarification, the lights light, right away correct, but it takes
> >> longer
> >> before they actually blink, then I am right.
> >
> > There are 3 'types' of flashers.
> >
> > American flashers operate the way you describe.
> > Japanese auto flashers work like US flashers in that when you hit the
> > turn signals, the bulb immed., then flashes off.
> > -but-
> > if you pull a bulb in a US setup, the lights flash slower, or don't
> > flash. Most Jp cars, if you pull a bulb, they flash much faster.
> >
> > Japanese bikes have the annoying trait of -not- lighting as soon as you
> > hit the switch. You hit the switch, then it does half-a-flash-cycle, or
> > whatever, then it lights. Annoying, and a small safety impairment.
> >
> > DDave
>
> dave you forgot the KX style flasher
> http://www.spodefest.net/rmd/isf02_camp/photos/photo11.jpg
That link has gotten me twice, and twice only.
A dirty trick would be to change the filename and folder so its less
recognizable...
DDave
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777941 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 19:24 |
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"dave" <dave1 [at] juno.com> wrote in message
news:1152887153.469597.267250 [at] b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> No,,, there is no light at all for 30 seconds. Then it comes on and
> begins to flash.
>
> It takes longer when cold.
Again, this is *exactly* what my 650L was doing. Take the
switch apart & clean the contacts.
BTW, I also put an automotive flasher in my bike. It didn't make
a bit of difference with the problem.
-Jeff Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
'99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94 XR650L-HellSickle
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777943 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 19:28 |
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"PlowBoy" <DoNotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:gIMtg.19411$f76.10328 [at] dukeread06...
> I suspect that when it is cold, it takes a second longer to cause the heat
> to bend inside the flasher, another thing is maybe just barely enough
> "load" on the circuit for its rating. inclination is that your system may
> have more flasher than needed, maybe they assume the bike is going to be
> adorned with more lights, you know like all the GoldWings I have ever
> seen?
Clean
the
switch
contacts.
The delay in the flasher turning on is because of the high resistance
at the switch contact preventing current from reaching the flasher.
-Jeff Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
'99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94 XR650L-HellSickle
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777947 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 19:41 |
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On 14 Jul 2006 10:15:00 -0700, "XR650L_Dave" <spamTHISbrp [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> dave you forgot the KX style flasher
>> http://www.spodefest.net/rmd/isf02_camp/photos/photo11.jpg
>
>That link has gotten me twice, and twice only.
>A dirty trick would be to change the filename and folder so its less
>recognizable...
It's not the pic of the KX for sale, no exposed derriere in this one,
just his ugly mug... <G>
>DDave
DJ
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #777961 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 21:37 |
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IdaSpode wrote:
> no exposed derriere in this one,
> just his ugly mug... <G>
Like you could tell the difference.
Chicks dig me - Jay
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| Re: Turn signal problem - XR250L [message #785242 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 17:56 |
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Mine is 12 volt
john wrote:
> forgive my ignorance, honda made the xr for a long time.....
> is the unit you have a 6 or 12 volt system.
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