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| Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777861] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 21:30 |
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Wow, the Motocross de Nations returns to the US in 2007! I wonder where? And
how come the Aussies got the info first?
http://www.usatodaynewspaper.info/blog/873/motocross-of-nati ons-confirmed-for-usa-in-2007-fullnoisecomau/
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777865 ] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 22:04 |
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Phil Rhodes wrote:
> Wow, the Motocross de Nations returns to the US in 2007! I wonder where? And
> how come the Aussies got the info first?
>
> http://www.usatodaynewspaper.info/blog/873/motocross-of-nati ons-confirmed-for-usa-in-2007-fullnoisecomau/
It's going to be at Budds Creek, and the Aussies didn't get the news
first, it's been out for weeks.
Already researching travel and accomodations.
Tim H
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777900 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 08:37 |
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In article <5bidnSahPd3RAivZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
"Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
> Wow, the Motocross de Nations returns to the US in 2007! I wonder where? And
> how come the Aussies got the info first?
>
> http://www.usatodaynewspaper.info/blog/873/motocross-of-nati ons-confirmed-for-
> usa-in-2007-fullnoisecomau/
It surprises me the US will host the event. I always thought of the FIM
as a strictly European/despise the Americas at all cost organization.
Guess we can attribute to Ricky's win last year. Is there nothing this
man won't accomplish?
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777934 ] |
Fri, 14 July 2006 18:16 |
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Ah, so then you were going to tell us about it, after you had your
reservations!
"Tim H" <tntharrell [at] msn.com> wrote in message
news:1152821068.131834.200470 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Phil Rhodes wrote:
>> Wow, the Motocross de Nations returns to the US in 2007! I wonder where?
>> And
>> how come the Aussies got the info first?
>>
>> http://www.usatodaynewspaper.info/blog/873/motocross-of-nati ons-confirmed-for-usa-in-2007-fullnoisecomau/
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> It's going to be at Budds Creek, and the Aussies didn't get the news
> first, it's been out for weeks.
> Already researching travel and accomodations.
>
> Tim H
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777970 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 00:27 |
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:37:58 -0600, Eat Dirt <no_email [at] no_email.no>
blathered:
>It surprises me the US will host the event. I always thought of the FIM
>as a strictly European/despise the Americas at all cost organization.
>Guess we can attribute to Ricky's win last year. Is there nothing this
>man won't accomplish?
Why would RC's win last year have anything to do with it? The US has
won something like 16 out of the last 20 years or something like that.
I haven't seen much evidence the FIM is anti-American. Why do you say
that?
MX Tuner
'03 Honda CRF480R
'06 Suzuki Hayabusa 1300
'06 Nissan Titan LE
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777984 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 03:23 |
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"Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:5bidnSahPd3RAivZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> Wow, the Motocross de Nations returns to the US in 2007! I wonder where?
> And how come the Aussies got the info first?
Because we're the only people in the world that actually matters.
>
> http://www.usatodaynewspaper.info/blog/873/motocross-of-nati ons-confirmed-for-usa-in-2007-fullnoisecomau/
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777985 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 03:24 |
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"Eat Dirt" <no_email [at] no_email.no> wrote in message
news:no_email-CE2B80.00375814072006 [at] isis.cybersurf.net...
> In article <5bidnSahPd3RAivZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
> "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Wow, the Motocross de Nations returns to the US in 2007! I wonder where?
>> And
>> how come the Aussies got the info first?
>>
>> http://www.usatodaynewspaper.info/blog/873/motocross-of-nati ons-confirmed-for-
>> usa-in-2007-fullnoisecomau/
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> It surprises me the US will host the event. I always thought of the FIM
> as a strictly European/despise the Americas at all cost organization.
> Guess we can attribute to Ricky's win last year. Is there nothing this
> man won't accomplish?
Yes. Win a World MX Championship. Bet he can't do that!
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777992 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 05:11 |
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:24:46 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
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>"Eat Dirt" <no_email [at] no_email.no> wrote in message
>news:no_email-CE2B80.00375814072006 [at] isis.cybersurf.net...
>> In article <5bidnSahPd3RAivZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
>> "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, the Motocross de Nations returns to the US in 2007! I wonder where?
>>> And
>>> how come the Aussies got the info first?
>>>
>>> http://www.usatodaynewspaper.info/blog/873/motocross-of-nati ons-confirmed-for-
>>> usa-in-2007-fullnoisecomau/
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>> It surprises me the US will host the event. I always thought of the FIM
>> as a strictly European/despise the Americas at all cost organization.
>> Guess we can attribute to Ricky's win last year. Is there nothing this
>> man won't accomplish?
>
>Yes. Win a World MX Championship. Bet he can't do that!
Why would he want to? He can make more money here, and still beat
the "World Champs" on their own soil at the des Nations. Twice
already.
And it's not like Americans *haven't* won the World MX
Championship. 1982, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994... Danny LaPorte,
Brad Lackey, Donny Schmit, Trampas Parker and Bob Moore. None of which
were anywhere NEAR as dominate as Ricky Carmichael has been outdoors.
Careful what you wish for.
CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #777999 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 06:20 |
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"CrashTestDummy" <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
news:45mgb2hsjldnhs2atr8lnlvluetp4be7go [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:24:46 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>
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>>"Eat Dirt" <no_email [at] no_email.no> wrote in message
>>news:no_email-CE2B80.00375814072006 [at] isis.cybersurf.net...
>>> In article <5bidnSahPd3RAivZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
>>> "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, the Motocross de Nations returns to the US in 2007! I wonder
>>>> where?
>>>> And
>>>> how come the Aussies got the info first?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.usatodaynewspaper.info/blog/873/motocross-of-nati ons-confirmed-for-
>>>> usa-in-2007-fullnoisecomau/
>>>
>>> It surprises me the US will host the event. I always thought of the FIM
>>> as a strictly European/despise the Americas at all cost organization.
>>> Guess we can attribute to Ricky's win last year. Is there nothing this
>>> man won't accomplish?
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>>Yes. Win a World MX Championship. Bet he can't do that!
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> Why would he want to? He can make more money here, and still beat
> the "World Champs" on their own soil at the des Nations. Twice
> already.
In a single event only. The question was "Is there nothing this man won't
accomplish?"
And the answer is that he can't win a World MX Championship.
>
> And it's not like Americans *haven't* won the World MX
> Championship. 1982, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994... Danny LaPorte,
> Brad Lackey, Donny Schmit, Trampas Parker and Bob Moore. None of which
> were anywhere NEAR as dominate as Ricky Carmichael has been outdoors.
Americans? Whats the point? What does THAT have to do with it???? Their
names are not Karmichel, is it?
Yes but those guys never had to race against the guys in Europe today.
Thats like me saying "Björn Borg was the best tennis player in the world
once. Therefore, Sweden is best today, even though he retired 25 years ago".
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #778003 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 07:04 |
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In article <cd6gb29bikcen6vshhssocdms2rg05dcn9 [at] 4ax.com>,
MX Tuner <mxtuner [at] nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:37:58 -0600, Eat Dirt <no_email [at] no_email.no>
> blathered:
>
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> >It surprises me the US will host the event. I always thought of the FIM
> >as a strictly European/despise the Americas at all cost organization.
> >Guess we can attribute to Ricky's win last year. Is there nothing this
> >man won't accomplish?
>
> Why would RC's win last year have anything to do with it? The US has
> won something like 16 out of the last 20 years or something like that.
> I haven't seen much evidence the FIM is anti-American. Why do you say
> that?
>
> MX Tuner
> '03 Honda CRF480R
> '06 Suzuki Hayabusa 1300
> '06 Nissan Titan LE
History, for one. Just look at the hurdles Brad Lackey had to endure
just to compete in Europe and how anti-American they were even way back
when. Also the FIM doesn't hold a race in the Americas. Why? How can
they call this a world championship when virtually every race is in
Europe?
It also doesn't help that the American contingent and even the Canadian
contingent (who had good success two years ago, not so much last year)
come into their territory and do so well. It must leave a sour taste in
their mouths to see Ricky kicking their assess in what is a very
different mx track than we have here. No doubles as prohibited by law??
Flat landings only??
Yet we (folk from the Americas) do so well there, contrary to the
Europeans that try to race here (maybe they're suckers for punishment
that enjoy flat landings see doubles as a breach of the law)
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #778010 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 09:12 |
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:20:46 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
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>"CrashTestDummy" <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:45mgb2hsjldnhs2atr8lnlvluetp4be7go [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:24:46 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Eat Dirt" <no_email [at] no_email.no> wrote in message
>>>news:no_email-CE2B80.00375814072006 [at] isis.cybersurf.net...
>>>> In article <5bidnSahPd3RAivZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
>>>> "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there nothing this man won't accomplish?
>>
>>>Yes. Win a World MX Championship. Bet he can't do that!
>>
>> Why would he want to? He can make more money here, and still beat
>> the "World Champs" on their own soil at the des Nations. Twice
>> already.
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>In a single event only. The question was "Is there nothing this man won't
>accomplish?"
>
>And the answer is that he can't win a World MX Championship.
No, the answer is that he may not win a FIM "championship" because
he's smart enough to know that the best money and competition is right
here in the USA. No need to go elsewhere.
>> And it's not like Americans *haven't* won the World MX
>> Championship. 1982, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994... Danny LaPorte,
>> Brad Lackey, Donny Schmit, Trampas Parker and Bob Moore. None of which
>> were anywhere NEAR as dominate as Ricky Carmichael has been outdoors.
>
>Americans? Whats the point? What does THAT have to do with it???? Their
>names are not Karmichel, is it?
>
>Yes but those guys never had to race against the guys in Europe today.
>Thats like me saying "Björn Borg was the best tennis player in the world
>once. Therefore, Sweden is best today, even though he retired 25 years ago".
The only guy in Europe on Carmichael's level is Stefan Everts. And
as I've said before, I have the utmost respect for Stefan. As much as
you might like to see Ricky on the GP circuit, I would like to've seen
Everts on the AMA MX circuit even more. But neither of the fellows'
careers will be tarnished due to where they competed. Except maybe by
clowns like you.
CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #778052 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 15:31 |
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:04:55 -0600, Eat Dirt <no_email [at] no_email.no>
blathered:
>> I haven't seen much evidence the FIM is anti-American. Why do you say
>> that?
>History, for one. Just look at the hurdles Brad Lackey had to endure
>just to compete in Europe
What hurdles? Learning different languages? Eating different foods?
>and how anti-American they were even way back when.
I'm still waiting on some actual anti-American instances. I don't know
of any.
>Also the FIM doesn't hold a race in the Americas. Why? How can
>they call this a world championship when virtually every race is in
>Europe?
Hmm, let's see... they don't race in India, China, Russia, Canada,
Indonesia, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Iceland and about 98% of the worlds
countries. The US has how many riders that run the GP's? Why *wouild*
they cater to the Americans.
How does that saying go? "One is best let others wonder ihether they
are a fool rather than open their mouth and remove all doubt."
>It also doesn't help that the American contingent and even the Canadian
>contingent (who had good success two years ago, not so much last year)
>come into their territory and do so well.
Gee, I missed that.
>It must leave a sour taste in
>their mouths to see Ricky kicking their assess in what is a very
>different mx track than we have here. No doubles as prohibited by law??
>Flat landings only??
Their efforts to make racing safer. What in the world (no pun
intended) is wrong with that?!?!?
MX Tuner
'03 Honda CRF480R
'06 Suzuki Hayabusa 1300
'06 Nissan Titan LE
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #778053 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 15:32 |
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:54:03 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com>
blathered:
>They hold races elsewhere; Australia, South America, Malaysia, South Africa.
>That is THE WORLD to them. If you don't want to compete in the World
>Championship and ne a true world champion, fine. Just tell your guys to
>settle for being US champions instead.
The funniest thing here is Axel thinks shit stain is American.
MX Tuner
'03 Honda CRF480R
'06 Suzuki Hayabusa 1300
'06 Nissan Titan LE
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785208 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 05:26 |
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"MX Tuner" <mxtuner [at] nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gffkb2hvn74gqlut0hdvmad3k113g0v88l [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:04:55 -0600, Eat Dirt <no_email [at] no_email.no>
> blathered:
>
>
>>> I haven't seen much evidence the FIM is anti-American. Why do you say
>>> that?
>
>>History, for one. Just look at the hurdles Brad Lackey had to endure
>>just to compete in Europe
>
> What hurdles? Learning different languages? Eating different foods?
You know, some people think that those things are actually BIG hurdles.
I'm sure there's more than one person that is reluctant to work and live in
other countries because of that.
Probably more so the lingo than the food. I mean to say, you can get Burger
King or KFC in most places these days.
>
>>and how anti-American they were even way back when.
>
> I'm still waiting on some actual anti-American instances. I don't know
> of any.
>
>>Also the FIM doesn't hold a race in the Americas. Why? How can
>>they call this a world championship when virtually every race is in
>>Europe?
>
> Hmm, let's see... they don't race in India, China, Russia, Canada,
> Indonesia, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Iceland and about 98% of the worlds
> countries. The US has how many riders that run the GP's? Why *wouild*
> they cater to the Americans.
I think they do race in either Indonesia or Malaysia. At least they did a
couple of years ago.
But I think championship rounds in those countries are not as automatic as
it would be for say, France, Germany or Italy.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785211 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 05:54 |
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"CrashTestDummy" <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jv3hb21v8eol3pq8mvgt5dugu0qnc3i4ne [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:20:46 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"CrashTestDummy" <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:45mgb2hsjldnhs2atr8lnlvluetp4be7go [at] 4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:24:46 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Eat Dirt" <no_email [at] no_email.no> wrote in message
>>>>news:no_email-CE2B80.00375814072006 [at] isis.cybersurf.net...
>>>>> In article <5bidnSahPd3RAivZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
>>>>> "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes [at] NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there nothing this man won't accomplish?
>>>
>>>>Yes. Win a World MX Championship. Bet he can't do that!
>>>
>>> Why would he want to? He can make more money here, and still beat
>>> the "World Champs" on their own soil at the des Nations. Twice
>>> already.
>>
>>In a single event only. The question was "Is there nothing this man won't
>>accomplish?"
>>
>>And the answer is that he can't win a World MX Championship.
>
> No, the answer is that he may not win a FIM "championship" because
> he's smart enough to know that the best money and competition is right
> here in the USA. No need to go elsewhere.
That is just your opinion. The only way of proving that is to actually go
there and race there for a season. See if he can be consistent for a whole
season.
Until he's done that, he'll never be a world champion.
>
>>> And it's not like Americans *haven't* won the World MX
>>> Championship. 1982, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994... Danny LaPorte,
>>> Brad Lackey, Donny Schmit, Trampas Parker and Bob Moore. None of which
>>> were anywhere NEAR as dominate as Ricky Carmichael has been outdoors.
>>
>>Americans? Whats the point? What does THAT have to do with it???? Their
>>names are not Karmichel, is it?
Eh? No response?
>>
>>Yes but those guys never had to race against the guys in Europe today.
>>Thats like me saying "Björn Borg was the best tennis player in the world
>>once. Therefore, Sweden is best today, even though he retired 25 years
>>ago".
>
> The only guy in Europe on Carmichael's level is Stefan Everts.
Again, it is up to your guy to prove that. It'd be interesting to see how
he'd do with a season in Europe.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785213 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 07:53 |
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:54:35 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
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>That is just your opinion. The only way of proving that is to actually go
>there and race there for a season. See if he can be consistent for a whole
>season.
>Until he's done that, he'll never be a world champion.
And until Everts and others come to the U.S. and race for a full
season they'll never have a chance to be AMA Champions. The proverbial
street runs both ways. But again, I'll bet Stefan doesn't doesn't feel
any lesser for not having competed on the American scene, and I'm sure
Ricky doesn't feel his career is any less awesome for not having
competed in Europe for an entire season. If you really wanna see him
so bad save your money and come to America.
>>>> And it's not like Americans *haven't* won the World MX
>>>> Championship. 1982, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994... Danny LaPorte,
>>>> Brad Lackey, Donny Schmit, Trampas Parker and Bob Moore. None of which
>>>> were anywhere NEAR as dominate as Ricky Carmichael has been outdoors.
>>>
>>>Americans? Whats the point? What does THAT have to do with it???? Their
>>>names are not Karmichel, is it?
>
>Eh? No response?
I didn't respond because I hadn't realized that your hard-on was
exclusively for Carmichael. My bad. No response necessary.
>> The only guy in Europe on Carmichael's level is Stefan Everts.
>
>Again, it is up to your guy to prove that. It'd be interesting to see how
>he'd do with a season in Europe.
It's not up to me to prove anything. Like you said, it's my
opinion. Albeit based on common sense observation, but just an opinion
nonetheless. I too think it'd be interesting to see how Carmichael
would do for an entire season in Europe. Judging by his previous
European visits I suspect he'd do quite well. Unfortunately, I hear
the Everts is retiring after this year. So personally I don't even
think it'd be a contest if Ricky raced in Europe next year. Hey, maybe
that's exactly what he should do! He's talked about running a partial
schedule next season in America anyway, so maybe he could just go the
Europe and finish his career with a "World" title. Wouldn't that piss
off some folks.
CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785215 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 11:07 |
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"CrashTestDummy" <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4k8mb25dv2jo4so5988s99vvm0ju1nhc2l [at] 4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:54:35 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>That is just your opinion. The only way of proving that is to actually go
>>there and race there for a season. See if he can be consistent for a whole
>>season.
>>Until he's done that, he'll never be a world champion.
>
> And until Everts and others come to the U.S. and race for a full
> season they'll never have a chance to be AMA Champions. The proverbial
> street runs both ways.
Absolutely! The diff is that the US title is just that; a national
championship.
But again, I'll bet Stefan doesn't doesn't feel
> any lesser for not having competed on the American scene, and I'm sure
> Ricky doesn't feel his career is any less awesome for not having
> competed in Europe for an entire season. If you really wanna see him
> so bad save your money and come to America.
I don't wanna see him, couldn't care less. And I wouldn't see him in Europe
anyway.
I'm in Australia.
>
>>>>> And it's not like Americans *haven't* won the World MX
>>>>> Championship. 1982, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994... Danny LaPorte,
>>>>> Brad Lackey, Donny Schmit, Trampas Parker and Bob Moore. None of which
>>>>> were anywhere NEAR as dominate as Ricky Carmichael has been outdoors.
>>>>
>>>>Americans? Whats the point? What does THAT have to do with it???? Their
>>>>names are not Karmichel, is it?
>>
>>Eh? No response?
>
> I didn't respond because I hadn't realized that your hard-on was
> exclusively for Carmichael. My bad. No response necessary.
Hallo? This thread was about carmickel and YOU were the one who brought in
all those other guys in to the conversation.
>>> The only guy in Europe on Carmichael's level is Stefan Everts.
>>
>>Again, it is up to your guy to prove that. It'd be interesting to see how
>>he'd do with a season in Europe.
>
> It's not up to me to prove anything.
Never said it was up to you. Read what I said again.
Like you said, it's my
> opinion. Albeit based on common sense observation, but just an opinion
> nonetheless. I too think it'd be interesting to see how Carmichael
> would do for an entire season in Europe. Judging by his previous
> European visits I suspect he'd do quite well. Unfortunately, I hear
> the Everts is retiring after this year. So personally I don't even
> think it'd be a contest if Ricky raced in Europe next year. Hey, maybe
> that's exactly what he should do! He's talked about running a partial
> schedule next season in America anyway, so maybe he could just go the
> Europe and finish his career with a "World" title. Wouldn't that piss
> off some folks.
What if he lost? Ended up last? Got injured? Then what? Bet THAT would piss
some people off too.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785258 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 20:12 |
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:07:01 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>
>"CrashTestDummy" <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:4k8mb25dv2jo4so5988s99vvm0ju1nhc2l [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:54:35 +1000, "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>That is just your opinion. The only way of proving that is to actually go
>>>there and race there for a season. See if he can be consistent for a whole
>>>season.
>>>Until he's done that, he'll never be a world champion.
>>
>> And until Everts and others come to the U.S. and race for a full
>> season they'll never have a chance to be AMA Champions. The proverbial
>> street runs both ways.
>
>Absolutely! The diff is that the US title is just that; a national
>championship.
Semantics. We get riders from other parts of the world too (Jean
Michael-Bayle, Chad Reed, that South African kid). If Europe wants to
call their championship a "world" title, that's fine with me. But the
U.S. could do the same if it so chose. It's mostly just the vast ocean
that sperates us. If it was more convenient, and the seasons didn't
overlap too badly, then I'm sure we'd see more GP guys in AMA MX and
more MX guys in GPs. It's impractical for both parties to travel back
and forth across the pond during a season though.
>>>>>> And it's not like Americans *haven't* won the World MX
>>>>>> Championship. 1982, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994... Danny LaPorte,
>>>>>> Brad Lackey, Donny Schmit, Trampas Parker and Bob Moore. None of which
>>>>>> were anywhere NEAR as dominate as Ricky Carmichael has been outdoors.
>>>>>
>>>>>Americans? Whats the point? What does THAT have to do with it???? Their
>>>>>names are not Karmichel, is it?
>>>
>>>Eh? No response?
>>
>> I didn't respond because I hadn't realized that your hard-on was
>> exclusively for Carmichael. My bad. No response necessary.
>
>Hallo? This thread was about carmickel and YOU were the one who brought in
>all those other guys in to the conversation.
I admitted it was my mistake. What do you want me to do,
apologize?
>>>> The only guy in Europe on Carmichael's level is Stefan Everts.
>>>
>>>Again, it is up to your guy to prove that. It'd be interesting to see how
>>>he'd do with a season in Europe.
>>
>> It's not up to me to prove anything.
>
>Never said it was up to you. Read what I said again.
Well, *I'm* the one who said, in the above statement, that the
only guy in Europe on Carmichael's level is Everts. Ricky certainly
doesn't have to prove anything to me. To you, maybe. But I already
recognize the legend.
If *Ricky* publicly stated he was better than all the European
guys, then yes, I concur that it'd be up to him to prove it. But he
doesn't need to prove anything *I* said. Besides, he probably feels as
if he's already proven it. (again, just my *opinion*).
>>Hey, maybe
>> that's exactly what he should do! He's talked about running a partial
>> schedule next season in America anyway, so maybe he could just go the
>> Europe and finish his career with a "World" title. Wouldn't that piss
>> off some folks.
>
>What if he lost? Ended up last? Got injured? Then what? Bet THAT would piss
>some people off too.
Probably. But mostly I think it'd just disappoint people. I know
if I had tickets to the Washougal National and Everts was racing a
full AMA season, and got injured before the race, I wouldn't be
angry... I'd be disappointed. I wanna see the best guys duking it out.
But injuries are an unfortunate part of the sport sometimes.
CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785301 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 23:02 |
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CrashTestDummy <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>>Absolutely! The diff is that the US title is
<snip nonsense>
> Semantics. We get riders from other parts of the world too (Jean
>Michael-Bayle, Chad Reed, that South African kid). If Europe wants to
>call their championship a "world" title, that's fine with me. But the
>U.S. could do the same if it so chose. It's mostly just the vast ocean
>that sperates us. If it was more convenient, and the seasons didn't
>overlap too badly, then I'm sure we'd see more GP guys in AMA MX and
>more MX guys in GPs. It's impractical for both parties to travel back
>and forth across the pond during a season though.
Eloquent an d precise, but it makes no difference - you're arguing
with Stinkfinger The Troll - it's not going anywhere with him, logic
and precision are simply verbs, not adjectives. :-)
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785309 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 00:13 |
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>On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:02:29 -0700, DirtCrashr <Dirt [at] Crashr.com> wrote:
>CrashTestDummy <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>Absolutely! The diff is that the US title is
>
><snip nonsense>
>
>> Semantics. We get riders from other parts of the world too (Jean
>>Michael-Bayle, Chad Reed, that South African kid). If Europe wants to
>>call their championship a "world" title, that's fine with me. But the
>>U.S. could do the same if it so chose. It's mostly just the vast ocean
>>that sperates us. If it was more convenient, and the seasons didn't
>>overlap too badly, then I'm sure we'd see more GP guys in AMA MX and
>>more MX guys in GPs. It's impractical for both parties to travel back
>>and forth across the pond during a season though.
>
>Eloquent an d precise, but it makes no difference - you're arguing
>with Stinkfinger The Troll - it's not going anywhere with him, logic
>and precision are simply verbs, not adjectives. :-)
Who are you all arguing with?
I only have one person in my kill file; Axle what's his name. Is it
him? I only see his postings when they are replied to.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785337 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 07:27 |
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:13:01 GMT, Wudsracer
<dirtbike52RemovE [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Who are you all arguing with?
>I only have one person in my kill file; Axle what's his name. Is it
>him? I only see his postings when they are replied to.
Sorry Jim, I should've known better. I was indeed corresponding
with Axel VK. Won't happen again ;->
CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785351 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 14:27 |
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>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:27:25 GMT, CrashTestDummy <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:13:01 GMT, Wudsracer
><dirtbike52RemovE [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>Who are you all arguing with?
>>I only have one person in my kill file; Axle what's his name. Is it
>>him? I only see his postings when they are replied to.
>
> Sorry Jim, I should've known better. I was indeed corresponding
>with Axel VK. Won't happen again ;->
>
>
>CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
>f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
No problem, Fred.
I should have stayed out of it.
Please forgive me.
I'm looking forward to seeing you in Idaho.
Two weeks and counting down.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785376 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 18:21 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:27:33 GMT, Wudsracer
<dirtbike52RemovE [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:27:25 GMT, CrashTestDummy <f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:13:01 GMT, Wudsracer
>><dirtbike52RemovE [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Who are you all arguing with?
>>>I only have one person in my kill file; Axle what's his name. Is it
>>>him? I only see his postings when they are replied to.
>>
>> Sorry Jim, I should've known better. I was indeed corresponding
>>with Axel VK. Won't happen again ;->
>>
>>
>>CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
>>f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
>
>
>No problem, Fred.
>I should have stayed out of it.
>Please forgive me.
Pffftttt! You da man, Jim!
>I'm looking forward to seeing you in Idaho.
>Two weeks and counting down.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes...
Are you bringing the Smackover trailer? It was so easy to find you
with that trailer. :-)
CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785387 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 21:04 |
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> Are you bringing the Smackover trailer? It was so easy to find you
>with that trailer. :-)
>
>
>CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
>f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
I'm not sure that i will bring a trailer, if Josh and Gabe don't come
with us.
Either way, it won't be hard to find me at Idaho Spodefest. I usually
just tent right behind DJ's camper, on the next "bump" of land over,
under the pine trees.
You saving us a spot, David?
Arkansas Traveler
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785398 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 22:43 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:04:44 GMT, Wudsracer
<dirtbike52RemovE [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Are you bringing the Smackover trailer? It was so easy to find you
>>with that trailer. :-)
>>
>>
>>CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
>>f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
>
>I'm not sure that i will bring a trailer, if Josh and Gabe don't come
>with us.
>Either way, it won't be hard to find me at Idaho Spodefest. I usually
>just tent right behind DJ's camper, on the next "bump" of land over,
>under the pine trees.
We'll not be down where I've been the last few years, it's still
washed out. We'll be in the big grove of cottonwoods/pines where we
had the big Oregon style fires and the Bivens Food Fest.
>You saving us a spot, David?
I'm heading out either this afternoon or tomorrow morning for Baum.
The High Sierra MC boyz are up there and have asked me to come up.
They bought me a chain saw a couple of years ago and I guess they want
to thank me (us) for making good use of it. Not sure how long I'll
stay.
I will leave my trailer parked at Baum, hopefully in the same spot we
had over the July 4th weekend, with a river view. There's plenty of
room all over in the grove, lots of shade too.
>Arkansas Traveler
DJ
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785411 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 01:54 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:43:44 -0600, IdaSpode <not [at] home_watching.tv>
wrote:
>We'll not be down where I've been the last few years, it's still
>washed out. We'll be in the big grove of cottonwoods/pines where we
>had the big Oregon style fires and the Bivens Food Fest.
I like those spots shown in the 2004 camp photos, under the pines
and by the river. Pines trees are somewhat rare in this part of Texas,
and fir trees are non-existent. I love evergreens. And clear mountain
water :-)
CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785495 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 00:11 |
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In article <gffkb2hvn74gqlut0hdvmad3k113g0v88l [at] 4ax.com>,
MX Tuner <mxtuner [at] nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:04:55 -0600, Eat Dirt <no_email [at] no_email.no>
> blathered:
>
>
> >> I haven't seen much evidence the FIM is anti-American. Why do you say
> >> that?
>
> >History, for one. Just look at the hurdles Brad Lackey had to endure
> >just to compete in Europe
>
> What hurdles? Learning different languages? Eating different foods?
>
> >and how anti-American they were even way back when.
>
> I'm still waiting on some actual anti-American instances. I don't know
> of any.
>
> >Also the FIM doesn't hold a race in the Americas. Why? How can
> >they call this a world championship when virtually every race is in
> >Europe?
>
> Hmm, let's see... they don't race in India, China, Russia, Canada,
> Indonesia, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Iceland and about 98% of the worlds
> countries. The US has how many riders that run the GP's? Why *wouild*
> they cater to the Americans.
>
> How does that saying go? "One is best let others wonder ihether they
> are a fool rather than open their mouth and remove all doubt."
>
> >It also doesn't help that the American contingent and even the Canadian
> >contingent (who had good success two years ago, not so much last year)
> >come into their territory and do so well.
>
>
> Gee, I missed that.
>
> >It must leave a sour taste in
> >their mouths to see Ricky kicking their assess in what is a very
> >different mx track than we have here. No doubles as prohibited by law??
> >Flat landings only??
>
> Their efforts to make racing safer. What in the world (no pun
> intended) is wrong with that?!?!?
>
> MX Tuner
> '03 Honda CRF480R
> '06 Suzuki Hayabusa 1300
> '06 Nissan Titan LE
All your doubts can be answered by Brad the man himself: just stop
wasting other people's time and go watch the Motorcycle Files, the
episode featuring him (as to not confuse you and have you watch say Bob
Hannah's episode instead)
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785496 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 00:13 |
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In article
<44bb035e$0$23414$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
"Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
> You know, some people think that those things are actually BIG hurdles.
> I'm sure there's more than one person that is reluctant to work and live in
> other countries because of that.
Don't count on that. Brad's hurdles (as per his own words) had nothing
to do with food, culture.. instead it as he put it, simple plain disgust
of Americans in general.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785530 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 12:05 |
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"Eat Dirt" <no_email [at] no_email.no> wrote in message
news:no_email-FD9910.16133719072006 [at] isis.cybersurf.net...
> In article
> <44bb035e$0$23414$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> You know, some people think that those things are actually BIG hurdles.
>> I'm sure there's more than one person that is reluctant to work and live
>> in
>> other countries because of that.
>
> Don't count on that. Brad's hurdles (as per his own words) had nothing
> to do with food, culture.. instead it as he put it, simple plain disgust
> of Americans in general.
If that's so, full credit to Brad Lackey! He did his best in foreign
countries and with full honours!
Australia is VERY USA like and I personally know people that don't want to
go on a business trip to other countries because they might not be able to
eat BK.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785531 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 12:06 |
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"Eat Dirt" <no_email [at] no_email.no> wrote in message
news:no_email-FD9910.16133719072006 [at] isis.cybersurf.net...
> In article
> <44bb035e$0$23414$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> You know, some people think that those things are actually BIG hurdles.
>> I'm sure there's more than one person that is reluctant to work and live
>> in
>> other countries because of that.
>
> Don't count on that. Brad's hurdles (as per his own words) had nothing
> to do with food, culture.. instead it as he put it, simple plain disgust
> of Americans in general.
Lance Armstrong recently stated that the French are assholes. I can easily
believe that.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785548 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 15:34 |
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In article
<44bf555f$0$13166$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
"Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
> "Eat Dirt" <no_email [at] no_email.no> wrote in message
> news:no_email-FD9910.16133719072006 [at] isis.cybersurf.net...
> > In article
> > <44bb035e$0$23414$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> > "Axel VK" <axl [at] pigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You know, some people think that those things are actually BIG hurdles.
> >> I'm sure there's more than one person that is reluctant to work and live
> >> in
> >> other countries because of that.
> >
> > Don't count on that. Brad's hurdles (as per his own words) had nothing
> > to do with food, culture.. instead it as he put it, simple plain disgust
> > of Americans in general.
>
> If that's so, full credit to Brad Lackey! He did his best in foreign
> countries and with full honours!
> Australia is VERY USA like and I personally know people that don't want to
> go on a business trip to other countries because they might not be able to
> eat BK.
Not just that, he was also behind the iron curtain through most of that
(firm was based I think in Checkolosvackia). So yeah, full credit to the
man for being the first to infiltrate what was a very European sport
(that and skiing were trademarks of the Europeans) and breaking into it.
You really have to watch the Motocross Files on Speed. Such a wonderful
series.
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| Re: Mx de Nations 2007 [message #785606 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 00:18 |
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:13:37 -0600, Eat Dirt <no_email [at] no_email.no>
blathered:
>> You know, some people think that those things are actually BIG hurdles.
>> I'm sure there's more than one person that is reluctant to work and live in
>> other countries because of that.
>Don't count on that. Brad's hurdles (as per his own words) had nothing
>to do with food, culture.. instead it as he put it, simple plain disgust
>of Americans in general.
Don't you wish. Lackey had issues with a couple key individuals- not
the entire American public.
MX Tuner
'03 Honda CRF480R
'06 Suzuki Hayabusa 1300
'06 Nissan Titan LE
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