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Producers » rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys » If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
| If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #777251] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 01:11 |
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Other products are less available and cost more.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run amsoil [message #777270 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 03:40 |
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153005086.282797.185920 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Other products are less available and cost more.
Try Mobil 1 - available in every Wal-mart for less money. And you don't
have to feed a pyramid scheme.
hint - Tupperware home parties pay more than the SpamsOil pyramid.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #777272 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 04:08 |
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But other products pass the American Petroleum Institute, and
Society of Automotive Engineers tests and are labeled as such:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/API_MotorOilGuide_2004.pdf I think
I'll just stick with Pennzoil that's been lubricating two my engines to
over three hundred thousand miles:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/pennzoil.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd [at] aol.com
Bret Ludwig wrote:
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> Other products are less available and cost more.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #777302 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 07:19 |
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Other products are available in any local autoparts store, cost less,
and are SAE/API certified (as Amsoil is not) so your engine warranty
can't be voided.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Other products are less available and cost more.
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--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #777319 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 16:01 |
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Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
the engine warranty.
You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
Mike
Bret Ludwig wrote:
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> Other products are less available and cost more.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #777337 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 18:13 |
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In article <44BA46A4.AEA0C44E [at] sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
>spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
>the engine warranty.
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>You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
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>Mike
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>Bret Ludwig wrote:
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>> Other products are less available and cost more.
LOL!!!
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #777342 ] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 20:06 |
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My neighbors had to have the engine in their Lexus replaced because of
sludge and resulting lubrication failure. They had changed the oil
regularly and had all receipts, so they got a new engine. Afaik, Lexus
didn't bother analyzing the oil's chemical composition, although they did
want to see all the receipts. They took the mechanic's word that he had
installed SAE/API oil. At first, of course, they accused the vehicle owners
of not getting the oil changed according to recommendations. Apparently,
they did this just to tick them off. Although these people know nothing
about auto mechanics, they had followed the Owner's Manual recommendations
to the letter, and saved receipts, so they got a new engine.
I haven't heard of any cases of lubrication failure where DIY maintenance
was involved. I imagine that lots of you guys actually like changing oil,
and never give sludge a chance to form. If this ever happens to me, I will
be bringing a shoebox full of Autozone receipts and a service diary to
court.
I would be more worried about accelerated engine wear than spectacular
failures, since most of us have the good sense not to drive Audi, Chrysler,
Dodge, Hyundai, Lexus, Toyota, SAAB or Volkswagen vehicles. (See
http://www.schleeter.com/oil-sludge.htm or any other site dedicated to a
discussion of this problem.) Is the stuff you are putting in there now
actually lubricating your crank journals, valve train etc? You don't really
know, without that SAE/API certification. I like to keep a vehicle ten
years or more, way beyond the warranty period. I can get a deal on worn out
fryolator oil from a local restaurant owner, but no thanks.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44BA46A4.AEA0C44E [at] sympatico.ca...
> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
> the engine warranty.
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> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
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> Mike
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> Bret Ludwig wrote:
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> > Other products are less available and cost more.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784182 ] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 21:15 |
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1153005086.282797.185920 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
> Other products are less available and cost more.
Here's the product for you, Bret:
http://www.spam.com
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784220 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 04:52 |
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XS11E wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1153005086.282797.185920 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
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>> Other products are less available and cost more.
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> Here's the product for you, Bret:
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> http://www.spam.com
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I'm one of those weird people (and there are a lot of us), who actually
like that stuff.
Fried Spam sandwiches, Spam and beans, baked Spam with a brown sugar
glaze, Spam and eggs... good stuff. And it really is, it contains pork
shoulder and ham, just good meats.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5627694446211716271
Now the other kind of spam... may its purveyors rot in Hell.
Jeff DeWitt
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784229 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 15:37 |
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Mike Romain wrote:
> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
> the engine warranty.
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> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
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Find me someone who 1) used Amsoil, 2) failed an engine in warranty,
and 3) was denied warranty coverage.
If you only care about getting the warrantied life from the engine
there is no point in using any premium oil. Most all engines today make
warranty. Those that don't, usually don't fail because the oil wasn't
up to snuff.
Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
I don't know the price of every synthetic oil on the market and it
well may be that there are better cheaper oils than Amsoil. Mobil 1 is
not. It's no cheaper certainly.
As I said before I am not an Amsoil dealer and don't necessarily
prefer synthetics for general use. But your hate for Amsoil is based
on nonsense and as such I feel the need to show it for what it is.
Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
FWIW I did put the Amsoil products in my truck's transmission and rear
end. They now run quieter and possibly cooler (the temperature has gone
up 25 degrees making it hard to tell). On the other hand if I have to
replace seals i will have no one to blame but myself.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784230 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:19 |
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153229874.805740.96110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
Funny you mention that, I have heard but have not confirmed Amsoil may be a
descendant of an Amway product.
In Michigan, the Republican nominee for governor this year is Dick DeVos,
whose family made its considerable fortune as co-founders of Amway.
Two reasons why I will (a) vote for the incumbent and (b) not buy Amsoil.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784231 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:22 |
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153229874.805740.96110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784232 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:50 |
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> > Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> > in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
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> Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>
No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
not either.
If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
time.
You are under no moral obligation to volunteer every single thing
someone might possibly feel is not to their liking. It's like inviting
the neighbors over for a swim in your pool and then asking the women if
any of them are having their period. A, that's why we put in chlorine
and B. if it ranks you out don't invite other people to your pool. If
Amsoil really was causing engines to fail in warranty believe me,
manufacturers would specifically test for it. It isn't happening.
For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
something is ISO 9000 certified.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784233 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 16:52 |
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> > don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
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> Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
> you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
> by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
better than no warranty.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784234 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:30 |
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Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt [at] nc.rr.com> wrote in
news:v1Yug.61285$R26.49224 [at] tornado.southeast.rr.com:
> XS11E wrote:
>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:1153005086.282797.185920 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
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>>> Other products are less available and cost more.
>> Here's the product for you, Bret:
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>> http://www.spam.com
> I'm one of those weird people (and there are a lot of us), who
> actually like that stuff.
I do to.
> baked Spam with a brown sugar glaze,
That's probably my favorite Spam recipe.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784235 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:57 |
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XS11E wrote:
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> Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt [at] nc.rr.com> wrote in
> news:v1Yug.61285$R26.49224 [at] tornado.southeast.rr.com:
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> > XS11E wrote:
> >> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
> >> news:1153005086.282797.185920 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >>> Other products are less available and cost more.
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> >> Here's the product for you, Bret:
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> >> http://www.spam.com
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> > I'm one of those weird people (and there are a lot of us), who
> > actually like that stuff.
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> I do to.
>
> > baked Spam with a brown sugar glaze,
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> That's probably my favorite Spam recipe.
I like the stuff too. Saw a Spam cook off on TV a bit ago. Some of the
things they do with it is amazing. My wife freaks at the mention of the
stuff so I don't eat it often. LOL!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=211514759 0
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784236 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:56 |
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XS11E <xs11eNO [at] SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in
news:Xns9804567784508xs11eyahoocom [at] 70.168.83.30:
> I do to.
I probably meant "I do too".
Possibly "I do two?"
Or "Me2"
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784237 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 17:57 |
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Mike Romain <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:44BD04E2.6643A384 [at] sympatico.ca:
> I like the stuff too. Saw a Spam cook off on TV a bit ago. Some
> of the things they do with it is amazing. My wife freaks at the
> mention of the stuff so I don't eat it often.
It can be pretty greasy if not prepared right, if that's her objection
maybe you could try a different recipe and see if she's OK with it?
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784238 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 18:18 |
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XS11E wrote:
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> Mike Romain <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:44BD04E2.6643A384 [at] sympatico.ca:
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> > I like the stuff too. Saw a Spam cook off on TV a bit ago. Some
> > of the things they do with it is amazing. My wife freaks at the
> > mention of the stuff so I don't eat it often.
>
> It can be pretty greasy if not prepared right, if that's her objection
> maybe you could try a different recipe and see if she's OK with it?
LOL! No, it's worse than that, she won't even tolerate the smell of the
can being opened...
Mike
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784239 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 18:23 |
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Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>...
> I'm one of those weird people (and there are a lot of us), who actually
> like that stuff.
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> Fried Spam sandwiches, Spam and beans, baked Spam with a brown sugar
> glaze, Spam and eggs... good stuff. And it really is, it contains pork
> shoulder and ham, just good meats.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5627694446211716271
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> Now the other kind of spam... may its purveyors rot in Hell.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
http://www.mailmsg.com/sounds/spam-song.wav
fried spam with melted jalapeņo cheddar, mmm mmm good!
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784240 ] |
Tue, 18 July 2006 18:41 |
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Why would anyone even WANT to run that Amsoil crap. It's NOT certified,
it's MORE expensive than any other premium synthetic oil, and it's NO
better than any other premium synthetic engine oil. You are just one of
the gullible types who have bought into and swallowed hook line and
sinker Amsoil's carefully concocted hype. Sure it's good oil, but it's
no better than anything else that costs less that works just as well.
It's just pretty sad that you're so thoroughly indoctrinated you will
continue defending it out of your pride.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
>> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
>> the engine warranty.
>>
>> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>>
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> Find me someone who 1) used Amsoil, 2) failed an engine in warranty,
> and 3) was denied warranty coverage.
>
> If you only care about getting the warrantied life from the engine
> there is no point in using any premium oil. Most all engines today make
> warranty. Those that don't, usually don't fail because the oil wasn't
> up to snuff.
>
> Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>
> I don't know the price of every synthetic oil on the market and it
> well may be that there are better cheaper oils than Amsoil. Mobil 1 is
> not. It's no cheaper certainly.
>
> As I said before I am not an Amsoil dealer and don't necessarily
> prefer synthetics for general use. But your hate for Amsoil is based
> on nonsense and as such I feel the need to show it for what it is.
> Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>
> FWIW I did put the Amsoil products in my truck's transmission and rear
> end. They now run quieter and possibly cooler (the temperature has gone
> up 25 degrees making it hard to tell). On the other hand if I have to
> replace seals i will have no one to blame but myself.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784264 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 03:55 |
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153234215.272828.184690 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153229874.805740.96110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>> > in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>> Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
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> No law requires it to be.
Manufacturers warranties do.
Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
Shall I read to you the API seal on my bottle of Mobil 1?
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784265 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 04:00 |
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153234343.625300.154170 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
> not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
> better than no warranty.
>
Yep. From Amsoil's warranty at http://www.amsoil.com/warranty.aspx:
"In cases where the OEM warranty is still in effect and that warranty
coverage is denied based on the use of an AMSOIL lubricant, the customer
shall immediately notify AMSOIL INC. and provide a written copy of the OEM
warranty denial. "
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784276 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 06:32 |
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Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Why would anyone even WANT to run that Amsoil crap. It's NOT certified,
> it's MORE expensive than any other premium synthetic oil, and it's NO
> better than any other premium synthetic engine oil. You are just one of
> the gullible types who have bought into and swallowed hook line and
> sinker Amsoil's carefully concocted hype. Sure it's good oil, but it's
> no better than anything else that costs less that works just as well.
>
"Sure, it's good oil".... My point exactly.
> It's just pretty sad that you're so thoroughly indoctrinated you will
> continue defending it out of your pride.
I am not indoctrinated. I point out facts. I don't necessarily
recommend synthetic oil and if you can get a better oil cheaper you
should. Buy on price and quality.....it happens that sometimes Amsoil
might be the cheapest in its class. Other true specialist synthetics
are no cheaper. Mobil 1 is a consumer product. They have another
synthetic that is better, but mor money and not widely distributed, I
think.
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
In other words, the advanced student ticket. When you get your ATP you
can brag.
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784282 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 07:26 |
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Now we are back to a reasonably on topic discussion.
Spam is one of the things in my survival kit in the jeepster.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784316 ] |
Wed, 19 July 2006 22:17 |
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Are you just being an ass today when making the comment about my pilot's
license or are you always that way?
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Why would anyone even WANT to run that Amsoil crap. It's NOT certified,
>> it's MORE expensive than any other premium synthetic oil, and it's NO
>> better than any other premium synthetic engine oil. You are just one of
>> the gullible types who have bought into and swallowed hook line and
>> sinker Amsoil's carefully concocted hype. Sure it's good oil, but it's
>> no better than anything else that costs less that works just as well.
>>
>
> "Sure, it's good oil".... My point exactly.
>
>> It's just pretty sad that you're so thoroughly indoctrinated you will
>> continue defending it out of your pride.
>
> I am not indoctrinated. I point out facts. I don't necessarily
> recommend synthetic oil and if you can get a better oil cheaper you
> should. Buy on price and quality.....it happens that sometimes Amsoil
> might be the cheapest in its class. Other true specialist synthetics
> are no cheaper. Mobil 1 is a consumer product. They have another
> synthetic that is better, but mor money and not widely distributed, I
> think.
>
>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>
>
> In other words, the advanced student ticket. When you get your ATP you
> can brag.
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784322 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 00:03 |
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Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Are you just being an ass today when making the comment about my pilot's
> license or are you always that way?
>
PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
commercial and instrument.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784325 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 00:32 |
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Jerry, there are signs that one should just stop feeding the trolls. This
one isn't in my kill file yet, because I want to see the ads for that
Amsoil/Deutz dealership.
Earle
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:prwvg.2674$Mz3.649 [at] fed1read07...
> Are you just being an ass today when making the comment about my pilot's
> license or are you always that way?
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >> Why would anyone even WANT to run that Amsoil crap. It's NOT
certified,
> >> it's MORE expensive than any other premium synthetic oil, and it's NO
> >> better than any other premium synthetic engine oil. You are just one
of
> >> the gullible types who have bought into and swallowed hook line and
> >> sinker Amsoil's carefully concocted hype. Sure it's good oil, but it's
> >> no better than anything else that costs less that works just as well.
> >>
> >
> > "Sure, it's good oil".... My point exactly.
> >
> >> It's just pretty sad that you're so thoroughly indoctrinated you will
> >> continue defending it out of your pride.
> >
> > I am not indoctrinated. I point out facts. I don't necessarily
> > recommend synthetic oil and if you can get a better oil cheaper you
> > should. Buy on price and quality.....it happens that sometimes Amsoil
> > might be the cheapest in its class. Other true specialist synthetics
> > are no cheaper. Mobil 1 is a consumer product. They have another
> > synthetic that is better, but mor money and not widely distributed, I
> > think.
> >
> >> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >
> >
> > In other words, the advanced student ticket. When you get your ATP you
> > can brag.
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784334 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 01:20 |
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153346621.480398.136040 [at] i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Are you just being an ass today when making the comment about my pilot's
>> license or are you always that way?
>>
> PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> commercial and instrument.
>
I can hardly wait to hear what you think about Sport Pilot...
;^)
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784374 ] |
Thu, 20 July 2006 17:10 |
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Ken Finney wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153346621.480398.136040 [at] i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >> Are you just being an ass today when making the comment about my pilot's
> >> license or are you always that way?
> >>
> > PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> > couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> > commercial and instrument.
> >
>
> I can hardly wait to hear what you think about Sport Pilot...
Getting rid of the third class medical is its only advantage, and that
should have been done a long time ago. People with waiverable
conditions or prohibited ones whom the states allow to drive a
noncommercial motor vehicle are a far greater threat to the lives and
properties of others if impaired while driving a car than flying a
LIGHT aircraft. (The Hawker Hunter that demolished a house the other
day is not a light aircraft: it was a 16,000 lb bomb, and yes pilots of
those should meet airline medical standards.)
Better yet: Since a "light aircraft" is 12,500 pounds, declare an
"ultralight" to be 1250 lbs under Part 103.
Glad you asked, thanks.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784419 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 12:07 |
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Mike Romain <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:44BD09C5.EC04A3FA [at] sympatico.ca:
> XS11E wrote:
>>
>> Mike Romain <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in
>> news:44BD04E2.6643A384 [at] sympatico.ca:
>>
>> > I like the stuff too. Saw a Spam cook off on TV a bit ago.
>> > Some of the things they do with it is amazing. My wife freaks
>> > at the mention of the stuff so I don't eat it often.
>>
>> It can be pretty greasy if not prepared right, if that's her
>> objection maybe you could try a different recipe and see if she's
>> OK with it?
>
> LOL! No, it's worse than that, she won't even tolerate the smell
> of the can being opened...
So you must remain, unlike this newsgroup, Spamless! ;-)
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784442 ] |
Fri, 21 July 2006 15:28 |
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XS11E wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:44BD09C5.EC04A3FA [at] sympatico.ca:
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> > XS11E wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike Romain <romainm [at] sympatico.ca> wrote in
> >> news:44BD04E2.6643A384 [at] sympatico.ca:
> >>
> >> > I like the stuff too. Saw a Spam cook off on TV a bit ago.
> >> > Some of the things they do with it is amazing. My wife freaks
> >> > at the mention of the stuff so I don't eat it often.
> >>
> >> It can be pretty greasy if not prepared right, if that's her
> >> objection maybe you could try a different recipe and see if she's
> >> OK with it?
> >
> > LOL! No, it's worse than that, she won't even tolerate the smell
> > of the can being opened...
>
> So you must remain, unlike this newsgroup, Spamless! ;-)
Oh that is good. LOL!
Mike
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784482 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 01:41 |
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Well then you'd be wrong and it's been that way for 35 years at least.
High-performance/complex rating which I have gets you into some pretty
big single-engine aircraft. From your remarks, it doesn't sound like
you are either a pilot or haven't been current in many years.
Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> Are you just being an ass today when making the comment about my pilot's
>> license or are you always that way?
>>
> PP-ASEL is the advanced student ticket. Even when I was a kid you
> couldn't rent anything bigger than a Skyhawk until you had your
> commercial and instrument.
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784496 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 06:31 |
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Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
>>>in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>>
>>Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>>
>
>
>
> No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
> not either.
? Such as ?
>
> If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
> manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
> engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
> warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
> time.
Not entirely true, but then most MLM's try to make sure the type of
folks who swallow their marketing campaigns never figure this out.
>
> For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
> more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
> because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
> something is ISO 9000 certified.
So how much does this certification costs?
How does that compare to the income of Amsoil compared to specialty oil
manufacturers of similar or smaller size that DO offer certified oils?
Which particular high end audio equipment are you claiming is *NOT* UL
certified? Not that this irrelevant hand waving has squat to do with
Amsoil's lack of certification-but would like to challenge your bogus
claim here.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784497 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 06:33 |
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Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153229874.805740.96110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
>>>don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>>
>>Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
>>you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
>>by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
>
>
> Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
> not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
> better than no warranty.
>
I'd prefer an intact engine myself, and knowing that it is so trivially
easy to determine the oil used from a very tiny drop of oil should the
manufacturer have reason to wonder why a particular oil related failure
occurred--would prefer to simply buy a superior and cheaper oil that IS
certified.
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| Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil [message #784498 ] |
Sat, 22 July 2006 06:35 |
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Essentially Jerry he is just full of sh*t. Uncertified, synthetic, sh*t
would be my guess.
Jerry Bransford proclaimed:
> Are you just being an ass today when making the comment about my pilot's
> license or are you always that way?
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>> Why would anyone even WANT to run that Amsoil crap. It's NOT certified,
>>> it's MORE expensive than any other premium synthetic oil, and it's NO
>>> better than any other premium synthetic engine oil. You are just one of
>>> the gullible types who have bought into and swallowed hook line and
>>> sinker Amsoil's carefully concocted hype. Sure it's good oil, but it's
>>> no better than anything else that costs less that works just as well.
>>>
>>
>> "Sure, it's good oil".... My point exactly.
>>
>>> It's just pretty sad that you're so thoroughly indoctrinated you will
>>> continue defending it out of your pride.
>>
>>
>> I am not indoctrinated. I point out facts. I don't necessarily
>> recommend synthetic oil and if you can get a better oil cheaper you
>> should. Buy on price and quality.....it happens that sometimes Amsoil
>> might be the cheapest in its class. Other true specialist synthetics
>> are no cheaper. Mobil 1 is a consumer product. They have another
>> synthetic that is better, but mor money and not widely distributed, I
>> think.
>>
>>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> Jerry Bransford
>>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>
>>
>>
>> In other words, the advanced student ticket. When you get your ATP you
>> can brag.
>>
>>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>>> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
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