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| Re: motorcyclist and cycle lanes [message #776182] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 22:28 |
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:20:13 +0000, Simon Gates wrote:
> Verdigris <verdigris [at] deadspam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:55:06 +0100, Champ wrote:
>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:36:17 -0000, Simon Gates
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>>>>TBH, I tend to treat cycling the same way I do biking - do what the hell
>>>>I want if I think it's OK
>>>
>>> Sensible rules for life.
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>> Isn't that the one rule that *everybody* follows - almost by definition?
>> It's just the definitions of "OK" that vary.
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> There's a difference between "I won't do that because it's not OK", and
> "I won't do that because it's illegal, and therefore not OK".
Some people do things which are illegal. They do them because despite
they're illegality they think it's OK.
> There's also a difference between "I'll do that, even though it's illegal,
> because it's really OK", and "I'll do that, even though it's illegal,
> because I don't care whether or not it's OK".
Ah, but I disagree with that. I would maintain that such people do it
because even though they may recognise that their action is wrong, it's
still "OK" for *them* to do it. Nobody is compelled to act: they do it of
their own will. Even if they subsequently change their mind at the time
they act they think it's OK.
> The important word is not "OK", it's "think".
I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you're going to pick on important
words, then I nominate *I*.
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Simon - UKRM~verdigris,plus,com
Tiger - A return to good sense.
Z1000 - Less sense, more sensation.
MAG BOTAFOT#36 two#22 HLR#pi BONY#62 BHaLC#3 LotR#7
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| Re: motorcyclist and cycle lanes [message #776360 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 09:29 |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:28:50 +0100, Verdigris <verdigris [at] deadspam.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:20:13 +0000, Simon Gates wrote:
>> There's also a difference between "I'll do that, even though it's illegal,
>> because it's really OK", and "I'll do that, even though it's illegal,
>> because I don't care whether or not it's OK".
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>Ah, but I disagree with that. I would maintain that such people do it
>because even though they may recognise that their action is wrong, it's
>still "OK" for *them* to do it. Nobody is compelled to act: they do it of
>their own will. Even if they subsequently change their mind at the time
>they act they think it's OK.
Not so, IMO. I think Simian is on the nose on this one - many 'wrong'
things are done by people who know they're wrong, and not in any way
"OK" for them or anyone else, but they just don't give a shit. You
can't tell me that a rapist thinks there's nothing wrong with what
he's doing, or that although wrong for anyone else, it's "OK" for him.
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| Re: motorcyclist and cycle lanes [message #779037 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 15:12 |
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"Ace" <seesig [at] virgin.net> wrote in message
news:u199b2tdtvlcv4aj5l2adhtoug8iuucuc5 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:28:50 +0100, Verdigris <verdigris [at] deadspam.com>
> wrote:
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>>On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:20:13 +0000, Simon Gates wrote:
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>>> There's also a difference between "I'll do that, even though it's
>>> illegal,
>>> because it's really OK", and "I'll do that, even though it's illegal,
>>> because I don't care whether or not it's OK".
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>>Ah, but I disagree with that. I would maintain that such people do it
>>because even though they may recognise that their action is wrong, it's
>>still "OK" for *them* to do it. Nobody is compelled to act: they do it of
>>their own will. Even if they subsequently change their mind at the time
>>they act they think it's OK.
>
> Not so, IMO. I think Simian is on the nose on this one - many 'wrong'
> things are done by people who know they're wrong, and not in any way
> "OK" for them or anyone else, but they just don't give a shit. You
> can't tell me that a rapist thinks there's nothing wrong with what
> he's doing, or that although wrong for anyone else, it's "OK" for him.
He's given the risk/benefit ratio some thinking about though:-) Well given
that these people ever think at all.
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Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
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| Re: motorcyclist and cycle lanes [message #779136 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 19:29 |
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:29:29 +0200, Ace wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:28:50 +0100, Verdigris <verdigris [at] deadspam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:20:13 +0000, Simon Gates wrote:
>
>>> There's also a difference between "I'll do that, even though it's illegal,
>>> because it's really OK", and "I'll do that, even though it's illegal,
>>> because I don't care whether or not it's OK".
>>
>>Ah, but I disagree with that. I would maintain that such people do it
>>because even though they may recognise that their action is wrong, it's
>>still "OK" for *them* to do it. Nobody is compelled to act: they do it of
>>their own will. Even if they subsequently change their mind at the time
>>they act they think it's OK.
>
> Not so, IMO. I think Simian is on the nose on this one - many 'wrong'
> things are done by people who know they're wrong, and not in any way
> "OK" for them or anyone else, but they just don't give a shit. You
> can't tell me that a rapist thinks there's nothing wrong with what
> he's doing, or that although wrong for anyone else, it's "OK" for him.
I guess we're using a different deffinition of "OK".
--
Simon - UKRM~verdigris,plus,com
Tiger - A return to good sense.
Z1000 - Less sense, more sensation.
MAG BOTAFOT#36 two#22 HLR#pi BONY#62 BHaLC#3 LotR#7
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