| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #775734] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 08:14 |
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Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org> wrote:
> I want to give it more of a clean, but I've got a problem: how do I seal
> up the holes left by the tap and the gauge sender?
Gaffa tape. Works for me.
--
Trophy 1200 750SS CB400F CD250 Z650
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #775740 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 10:43 |
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"The Older Gentleman" <chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com> wrote in
message
news:1hiauop.1tll9q61g5068wN%chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com...
> Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org> wrote:
>
>> I want to give it more of a clean, but I've got a problem: how do I
>> seal
>> up the holes left by the tap and the gauge sender?
>
> Gaffa tape. Works for me.
I don't know what sort of gaffa tape you're using, but when I tried that
the petrol dissolved the adhesive and I ended up with slimy non-stick
gaffa tape and mucky petrol splashed everywhere.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #775784 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 11:25 |
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In message <8cov8e.hkf.ln [at] deguello.org>, Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org>
writes
>"The Older Gentleman" <chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com> wrote in
>message
>news:1hiauop.1tll9q61g5068wN%chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com...
>> Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to give it more of a clean, but I've got a problem: how do I
>>> seal
>>> up the holes left by the tap and the gauge sender?
>>
>> Gaffa tape. Works for me.
>
>I don't know what sort of gaffa tape you're using, but when I tried that
>the petrol dissolved the adhesive and I ended up with slimy non-stick
>gaffa tape and mucky petrol splashed everywhere.
>
>
I just used masking tape when I Kreemed the RD tank. It needed the
petrol tap threads cleaning out, but hardly a big deal. If you want a
good seal while you clean out the tank using more petrol what's wrong
with leaving the fittings in place?
--
Mike Buckley
RD350LC2 GPZ750 Turbo
http://www.toastyhamster.org
BONY#38
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #775815 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 12:24 |
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"mike. buckley" <mike [at] toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:+gw9k3XO62sEFwuZ [at] toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk...
>
> I just used masking tape when I Kreemed the RD tank. It needed the
> petrol tap threads cleaning out, but hardly a big deal. If you want a
> good seal while you clean out the tank using more petrol what's wrong
> with leaving the fittings in place?
Two reasons:
1. I'm a bit concerned about the handful of nuts and bolts that I'm
sloshing around causing some damage to the fuel level sender;
2. There's no way I can leave the fittings in while I apply the Petseal,
so I might as well find a decent solution now.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776073 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 19:47 |
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Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org> wrote:
> "The Older Gentleman" <chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com> wrote in
> message
> news:1hiauop.1tll9q61g5068wN%chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com...
> > Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I want to give it more of a clean, but I've got a problem: how do I
> >> seal
> >> up the holes left by the tap and the gauge sender?
> >
> > Gaffa tape. Works for me.
>
> I don't know what sort of gaffa tape you're using, but when I tried that
> the petrol dissolved the adhesive and I ended up with slimy non-stick
> gaffa tape and mucky petrol splashed everywhere.
I was assuming the tank would be empty, as you'd removed the tap and
gauge sender.....
--
Trophy 1200 750SS CB400F CD250 Z650
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776084 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 19:54 |
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The Older Gentleman <chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org> wrote:
>
> > "The Older Gentleman" <chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:1hiauop.1tll9q61g5068wN%chateau.murraySPAMKILL [at] dsl.pipex.com...
> > > Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I want to give it more of a clean, but I've got a problem: how do I
> > >> seal
> > >> up the holes left by the tap and the gauge sender?
> > >
> > > Gaffa tape. Works for me.
> >
> > I don't know what sort of gaffa tape you're using, but when I tried that
> > the petrol dissolved the adhesive and I ended up with slimy non-stick
> > gaffa tape and mucky petrol splashed everywhere.
>
> I was assuming the tank would be empty, as you'd removed the tap and
> gauge sender.....
Should be empty of petrol, but FWIW during the Kreem process, there's at
least a couple of cleaning/prep steps where you use non-viscous liquids
that will certainly leak through gaffer tape. Dunno about Petseal.
--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000A-13 '81 CM400T
OMF #7
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776097 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 20:25 |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:54:49 -0000, Mark Olson <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid>
wrote:
>FWIW during the Kreem process, there's at
>least a couple of cleaning/prep steps where you use non-viscous liquids
>that will certainly leak through gaffer tape.
Coke, for example. The cheaper the better, a couple of big bottles of
cola will rip the rust right out of there. Leave to soak for as long
as poss (thinks of Blaney) and the phosphoric acid gets going on the
ferric oxide.
--
Pip: B12
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776131 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 21:06 |
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Eddie <eddie [at] deguello.org> wrote:
>
>>I don't know what sort of gaffa tape you're using, but when I tried that
>>the petrol dissolved the adhesive and I ended up with slimy non-stick
>>gaffa tape and mucky petrol splashed everywhere.
>
> I was assuming the tank would be empty, as you'd removed the tap and
> gauge sender.....
Well, yes, it *was* empty, but the cleaning advice I've seen many times
is to slosh some petrol around with an assorted handful of nuts and
bolts, so I needed it to hold a /bit/ of petrol for a few minutes.
--
Eddie mailto:eddie [at] deguello.org
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776132 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 21:14 |
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Pip wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:54:49 -0000, Mark Olson <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> FWIW during the Kreem process, there's at
>> least a couple of cleaning/prep steps where you use non-viscous liquids
>> that will certainly leak through gaffer tape.
>
> Coke, for example. The cheaper the better, a couple of big bottles of
> cola will rip the rust right out of there. Leave to soak for as long
> as poss (thinks of Blaney) and the phosphoric acid gets going on the
> ferric oxide.
How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank? I'm
currently cleaning out the Bantam tank with sand and gravel but I'm wary
of putting Coke in it.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776175 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 22:24 |
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Anton Gijsen <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> wrote in
news:44b3f884$0$69372$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
> Pip wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:54:49 -0000, Mark Olson <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW during the Kreem process, there's at
>>> least a couple of cleaning/prep steps where you use non-viscous liquids
>>> that will certainly leak through gaffer tape.
>>
>> Coke, for example. The cheaper the better, a couple of big bottles of
>> cola will rip the rust right out of there. Leave to soak for as long
>> as poss (thinks of Blaney) and the phosphoric acid gets going on the
>> ferric oxide.
>
> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank? I'm
> currently cleaning out the Bantam tank with sand and gravel but I'm wary
> of putting Coke in it.
>
use diet coke
--
wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776200 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 22:51 |
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wessie wrote:
> Anton Gijsen <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:44b3f884$0$69372$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
>
>> Pip wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:54:49 -0000, Mark Olson <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FWIW during the Kreem process, there's at
>>>> least a couple of cleaning/prep steps where you use non-viscous liquids
>>>> that will certainly leak through gaffer tape.
>>> Coke, for example. The cheaper the better, a couple of big bottles of
>>> cola will rip the rust right out of there. Leave to soak for as long
>>> as poss (thinks of Blaney) and the phosphoric acid gets going on the
>>> ferric oxide.
>> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank? I'm
>> currently cleaning out the Bantam tank with sand and gravel but I'm wary
>> of putting Coke in it.
>>
>
> use diet coke
Think I'll stick to the "shake-the-fuck-out-of-it" method.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776205 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 22:59 |
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Anton Gijsen <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> wrote in
news:44b40f59$0$22089$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
> wessie wrote:
>> use diet coke
>
> Think I'll stick to the "shake-the-fuck-out-of-it" method.
>
isn't sand more of a cunt to remove?
--
wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776207 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:01 |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Anton Gijsen
<anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> saying something like:
>How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank?
Warm or hot water. It's only sugary stickiness.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a
In my trousers.
Folding [at] Home Team UKRM http://www.tinyurl.com/jkxwv
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776225 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:21 |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Anton Gijsen
> <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> saying something like:
>
>> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank?
>
> Warm or hot water. It's only sugary stickiness.
Seems like it'll have to be. I just don't like the idea of putting water
in a petrol tank. Roll on the next really hot day.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776226 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:21 |
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wessie wrote:
> Anton Gijsen <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:44b40f59$0$22089$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
>
>> wessie wrote:
>>> use diet coke
>> Think I'll stick to the "shake-the-fuck-out-of-it" method.
>>
>
> isn't sand more of a cunt to remove?
Probably, but it's too bloody late now.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776243 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:35 |
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Anton Gijsen wrote:
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember Anton Gijsen
>> <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> saying something like:
>>
>>> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank?
>>
>> Warm or hot water. It's only sugary stickiness.
>
> Seems like it'll have to be. I just don't like the idea of putting water
> in a petrol tank. Roll on the next really hot day.
A water rinse is part of the Kreem regimen. That is followed by a
chemical (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) rinse tho.
--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 '81 CM400T
OMF #7
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776247 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:37 |
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Anton Gijsen <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> wrote in
news:44b41668$0$22132$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>> drugs began to take hold. I remember Anton Gijsen
>> <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> saying something like:
>>
>>> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank?
>>
>> Warm or hot water. It's only sugary stickiness.
>
> Seems like it'll have to be. I just don't like the idea of putting water
> in a petrol tank. Roll on the next really hot day.
>
Why not? According to Champ there's plenty of water in it already...
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wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776271 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 00:08 |
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Mark Olson wrote:
> Anton Gijsen wrote:
>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>> drugs began to take hold. I remember Anton Gijsen
>>> <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> saying something like:
>>>
>>>> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank?
>>>
>>> Warm or hot water. It's only sugary stickiness.
>>
>> Seems like it'll have to be. I just don't like the idea of putting
>> water in a petrol tank. Roll on the next really hot day.
>
> A water rinse is part of the Kreem regimen. That is followed by a
> chemical (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) rinse tho.
Well as long as the tank can dry out thoroughly then it should be OK, I
suppose. I'll go and get some 19p Morissons Coke tomorrow.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776289 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 00:42 |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:37:16 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
wrote:
>Anton Gijsen <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> wrote in
>news:44b41668$0$22132$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
>
>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>> drugs began to take hold. I remember Anton Gijsen
>>> <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> saying something like:
>>>
>>>> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank?
>>>
>>> Warm or hot water. It's only sugary stickiness.
>>
>> Seems like it'll have to be. I just don't like the idea of putting water
>> in a petrol tank. Roll on the next really hot day.
>>
>
>Why not? According to Champ there's plenty of water in it already...
"some".
--
Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776294 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 01:02 |
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Anton Gijsen wrote:
> Mark Olson wrote:
>> Anton Gijsen wrote:
>>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>>> drugs began to take hold. I remember Anton Gijsen
>>>> <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> saying something like:
>>>>
>>>>> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank?
>>>>
>>>> Warm or hot water. It's only sugary stickiness.
>>>
>>> Seems like it'll have to be. I just don't like the idea of putting
>>> water in a petrol tank. Roll on the next really hot day.
>>
>> A water rinse is part of the Kreem regimen. That is followed by a
>> chemical (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) rinse tho.
>
> Well as long as the tank can dry out thoroughly then it should be OK, I
> suppose. I'll go and get some 19p Morissons Coke tomorrow.
I don't think you understand. Leaving the water in there to dry will
guarantee rust. The MEK absorbs the water and mostly evaporates but
it doesn't matter as it is a natural solvent for Kreem.
--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 '81 CM400T
OMF #7
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776322 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 02:37 |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:14:11 +0100, Anton Gijsen
<anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> wrote:
>Pip wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:54:49 -0000, Mark Olson <olsonm [at] tiny.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW during the Kreem process, there's at
>>> least a couple of cleaning/prep steps where you use non-viscous liquids
>>> that will certainly leak through gaffer tape.
>>
>> Coke, for example. The cheaper the better, a couple of big bottles of
>> cola will rip the rust right out of there. Leave to soak for as long
>> as poss (thinks of Blaney) and the phosphoric acid gets going on the
>> ferric oxide.
>
>How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank? I'm
>currently cleaning out the Bantam tank with sand and gravel but I'm wary
>of putting Coke in it.
Petrol, FFS.
--
Pip: B12
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776332 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 03:16 |
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Mark Olson wrote:
> Anton Gijsen wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>>> Anton Gijsen wrote:
>>>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>>>> drugs began to take hold. I remember Anton Gijsen
>>>>> <anton [at] REMOVETHECAPITALLETTERSgijsen.ndo.co.uk> saying something like:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How does one get the sticky Coke residue off the inside of the tank?
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm or hot water. It's only sugary stickiness.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like it'll have to be. I just don't like the idea of putting
>>>> water in a petrol tank. Roll on the next really hot day.
>>>
>>> A water rinse is part of the Kreem regimen. That is followed by a
>>> chemical (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) rinse tho.
>>
>> Well as long as the tank can dry out thoroughly then it should be OK,
>> I suppose. I'll go and get some 19p Morissons Coke tomorrow.
>
> I don't think you understand. Leaving the water in there to dry will
> guarantee rust. The MEK absorbs the water and mostly evaporates but
> it doesn't matter as it is a natural solvent for Kreem.
Yes I know water = rust, that's why I need it to dry out properly! I've
never heard of Methyl Ethyl Ketone and wouldn't know where to get it,
would white spirit do? For my sins I haven't heard of Kreem either.
I'm going down the cheapskate route and coating the inside of the tank
with Hammerite or somesuch instead of Petseal.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776333 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 03:23 |
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Anton Gijsen said...
> I'm going down the cheapskate route and coating the inside of the tank
> with Hammerite or somesuch instead of Petseal.
Bad, bad move. There's reasons why products like Petseal and Kreem
exist, and why Hammerite isn't touted as a petrol tank sealant.
--
Lozzo
GSX-R1000 K1
GSF600SW
"Loz has a god, and this god of his has 16 valves" (tm) Pip, May '06
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776334 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 03:36 |
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Lozzo wrote:
> Anton Gijsen said...
>
>> I'm going down the cheapskate route and coating the inside of the tank
>> with Hammerite or somesuch instead of Petseal.
>
> Bad, bad move. There's reasons why products like Petseal and Kreem
> exist, and why Hammerite isn't touted as a petrol tank sealant.
But I'm not wanting to use it as a *sealant*, I'm wanting to use it as a
protective layer so the inside of the tank doesn't rust. AFAIK the tank
doesn't leak.
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776337 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 05:23 |
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Anton Gijsen wrote:
> Lozzo wrote:
>> Anton Gijsen said...
>>
>>> I'm going down the cheapskate route and coating the inside of the
>>> tank with Hammerite or somesuch instead of Petseal.
>>
>> Bad, bad move. There's reasons why products like Petseal and Kreem
>> exist, and why Hammerite isn't touted as a petrol tank sealant.
>
> But I'm not wanting to use it as a *sealant*, I'm wanting to use it as a
> protective layer so the inside of the tank doesn't rust. AFAIK the tank
> doesn't leak.
Look, don't be a total berk.
Buy something *made* for the job. There are good reasons why there are
special products sold expressly for coating petrol tanks. If Hammerite
worked well, no one would buy them, see?
On further reflection, coat your tank with Hammerite. We could do with
a laugh.
--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 '81 CM400T
OMF #7
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| Re: Petrol tank cleaning [message #776368 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 09:49 |
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Anton Gijsen wrote:
> Lozzo wrote:
> > Anton Gijsen said...
> >
> > > I'm going down the cheapskate route and coating the inside of the
> > > tank with Hammerite or somesuch instead of Petseal.
> >
> > Bad, bad move. There's reasons why products like Petseal and Kreem
> > exist, and why Hammerite isn't touted as a petrol tank sealant.
>
> But I'm not wanting to use it as a sealant, I'm wanting to use it as
> a protective layer so the inside of the tank doesn't rust. AFAIK the
> tank doesn't leak.
Just leave it full of petrol then, with some fuel stabiliser if it's
left for months on end without being used.
--
Krusty.
http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
http://www.muddystuff.us
Off-road classifieds
'02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
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