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| FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775699] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 09:57 |
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Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
I think it might have the same problem as I had on another bike, one of
the carb diaphragm thingys not sealing properly and so the piston
doesn't rise.
No problem I thought, just have a quick look inside the airbox while
the engine's running and I'll be able to see. Except I can't. The carbs
have got weird right-angle bellmouths and I can't figure out a way to
be able to see down them. I thought of sticking some tube down inside
but they are too stiff. I can't take them off without completely
removing and separating the carbs. Anyone have any bright ideas?
Luckily I don't have a rubber cutting disc for my angle grinder. It
struck me that the ideal thing would be some kind of vision device that
various medical specialists like to shove inside various orifices of
the human body, but I don't have access to one of those.
In the meantime I ordered meself a set of vacuum gauges. It's about
time I learnt to balance a set of carbs other than by guesswork. (And
I've never been able to hear the diffence in the hiss through a tube).
I haven't used gauges before but I'm assuming that the carbs are
balanced mainly at tickover/low revs? If one of the pistons isn't
lifting at higher revs, will the gauges show this up (I'm assuming it
will have a higher vacuum)?
TIA
ps, If that was you under instruction on the Stonehenge-Devizes road on
Saturday pm, I think you were riding far better than your instructor.
My ex-police instructor would have hauled me over the coals for the
number of potholes/manholes/drains that he hit.
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/Simon
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775714 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 10:33 |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0000, "Simon Wilson"
<siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
>a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
>seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
Serve you right for buying a Honda :-)
>It struck me that the ideal thing would be some kind of vision device that
>various medical specialists like to shove inside various orifices of
>the human body, but I don't have access to one of those.
How about a dentists mirror-onna-stick?
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Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775738 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 10:51 |
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Pip wrote:
> "Simon Wilson" wrote:
>
> >Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
> >a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
> >seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
>
> You're joking, right? Issa Honda, innit - no power step, no horizon
> rushing towards you in a blur allofasudden: bland.
Sir should try one of Mr Hondas finest Blackbirds.
P.
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775748 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 11:00 |
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On 11 Jul 2006 01:51:34 -0700, zymurgy [at] technologist.com wrote:
>Pip wrote:
>> "Simon Wilson" wrote:
>>
>> >Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
>> >a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
>> >seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
>>
>> You're joking, right? Issa Honda, innit - no power step, no horizon
>> rushing towards you in a blur allofasudden: bland.
>
>Sir should try one of Mr Hondas finest Blackbirds.
Sir has, and Sir knew that some sad Honda rider would stick his head
above the parapet to criticise Sir's sweeping generalisation,
particularly wrt the bigger CBRs. However, even using such past the
use-by date bait, it appears that SuperDreamBoy is now on the hook.
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Pip: B12
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775769 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 10:12 |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0000, "Simon Wilson"
<siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
>a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
>seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
You're joking, right? Issa Honda, innit - no power step, no horizon
rushing towards you in a blur allofasudden: bland. You might have
another 300 or 500cc over your VFR, but the Pan isn't exactly tuned
for high performance - they aren't slow or torque-free, but they're
designed to munch miles in comfort.
>
>I think it might have the same problem as I had on another bike, one of
>the carb diaphragm thingys not sealing properly and so the piston
>doesn't rise.
Is it feeling three-cylindery? You know what a Honda vee engine feels
like - does it feel right?
>I can't take them off without completely
>removing and separating the carbs. Anyone have any bright ideas?
Do not, under any circumstance, remove and certainly do not separate
the linkages unless you know exactly what you're doing - unless you
particularly enjoy several evenings playing with three-dimensional
jigsaws following a few days of hunt-the-pingfuckit.
>In the meantime I ordered meself a set of vacuum gauges. It's about
>time I learnt to balance a set of carbs other than by guesswork. (And
>I've never been able to hear the diffence in the hiss through a tube).
>I haven't used gauges before but I'm assuming that the carbs are
>balanced mainly at tickover/low revs? If one of the pistons isn't
>lifting at higher revs, will the gauges show this up (I'm assuming it
>will have a higher vacuum)?
Carbs are balanced at just over tickover. If a piston isn't lifting
the guages will show it up when you blip the throttle.
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Pip: B12
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775772 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 11:14 |
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On 11 Jul 2006 01:51:34 -0700, zymurgy [at] technologist.com wrote:
>
>Pip wrote:
>> "Simon Wilson" wrote:
>>
>> >Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
>> >a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
>> >seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
>>
>> You're joking, right? Issa Honda, innit - no power step, no horizon
>> rushing towards you in a blur allofasudden: bland.
>
>Sir should try one of Mr Hondas finest Blackbirds.
While a Blackbird is certainly a Jolly Fast Bike, it doesn't have a
power step, or a sensation of "OhFuckHereWeGo". Only Honda could make
a 180mph bike feel, well, a bit boring. C'mon, you've had the 'bird
and the 12R - tell me the 12R didn't "involve you" in ways that the
Honda never could.
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Champ
ZX10R
GPz750turbo
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| Re: Carb balancing [message #775775 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 11:20 |
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"Simon Wilson" <siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12b6mg5o96h2g76 [at] corp.supernews.com...
>
> ps, If that was you under instruction on the Stonehenge-Devizes road on
> Saturday pm, I think you were riding far better than your instructor.
> My ex-police instructor would have hauled me over the coals for the
> number of potholes/manholes/drains that he hit.
Ahhh Devizes, nice roads round them parts ;-)
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Vass
.............................
Now: '02 YZF-R1
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775777 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 11:22 |
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Pip wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0000, "Simon Wilson"
> <siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might
> > be a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the
> > grunt, seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
>
> You're joking, right? Issa Honda, innit - no power step, no horizon
> rushing towards you in a blur allofasudden: bland. You might have
> another 300 or 500cc over your VFR, but the Pan isn't exactly tuned
> for high performance - they aren't slow or torque-free, but they're
> designed to munch miles in comfort.
Yes I do miss the all-of-a-sudden stuff sometimes (though unlike many I
wasn't brung up on two-strokes, Fizzy excepted). I had a ZXR750 once
that did have that power-band kind of rush. But I like the twist-n-go
of Hondas too. Speshully two up, which is what I bought it for. Horses
for courses I guess.
> >
> > I think it might have the same problem as I had on another bike,
> > one of the carb diaphragm thingys not sealing properly and so the
> > piston doesn't rise.
>
> Is it feeling three-cylindery? You know what a Honda vee engine feels
> like - does it feel right?
>
> > I can't take them off without completely
> > removing and separating the carbs. Anyone have any bright ideas?
>
> Do not, under any circumstance, remove and certainly do not separate
> the linkages unless you know exactly what you're doing - unless you
> particularly enjoy several evenings playing with three-dimensional
> jigsaws following a few days of hunt-the-pingfuckit.
I know exactly what you mean!
>
> > In the meantime I ordered meself a set of vacuum gauges. It's about
> > time I learnt to balance a set of carbs other than by guesswork.
> > (And I've never been able to hear the diffence in the hiss through
> > a tube). I haven't used gauges before but I'm assuming that the
> > carbs are balanced mainly at tickover/low revs? If one of the
> > pistons isn't lifting at higher revs, will the gauges show this up
> > (I'm assuming it will have a higher vacuum)?
>
> Carbs are balanced at just over tickover. If a piston isn't lifting
> the guages will show it up when you blip the throttle.
Thanks, that's what I'm hoping.
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/Simon
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775778 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 11:23 |
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"Champ" <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote in message
news:qho6b2dv5vevkln74p9845l34omu4t3ku9 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0000, "Simon Wilson"
> <siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>It struck me that the ideal thing would be some kind of vision device that
>>various medical specialists like to shove inside various orifices of
>>the human body, but I don't have access to one of those.
>
> How about a dentists mirror-onna-stick?
>
Like this £ 2.99
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=30562&crite ria=mirror&doy=11m7
--
Vass
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Now: '02 YZF-R1
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775792 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 11:47 |
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Vass wrote:
>
> "Champ" <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:qho6b2dv5vevkln74p9845l34omu4t3ku9 [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0000, "Simon Wilson"
> ><siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It struck me that the ideal thing would be some kind of vision
> > > device that various medical specialists like to shove inside
> > > various orifices of the human body, but I don't have access to
> > > one of those.
> >
> > How about a dentists mirror-onna-stick?
> >
>
>
> Like this # 2.99
> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=30562&crite ria=mirror&doy
> =11m7
Hmmm, might work. I need a light on a bendy stick too. Thanks for the
idea.
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/Simon
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| Re: Carb balancing [message #775845 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 13:17 |
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Vass wrote:
> Ahhh Devizes, nice roads round them parts ;-)
Indeed. I did a bikesafe course there on Sunday. Nice copper said "Try
to keep it below 70 and I'll be happy" but later when talking about
slowing down for villages said "Remember, when you're on your own,
you'll probably have to lose a lot more speed, well, I would"
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Nick Brooks
SV650
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #775896 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 14:24 |
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Simon Wilson wrote:
> Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
> a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
> seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
>
> I think it might have the same problem as I had on another bike, one of
> the carb diaphragm thingys not sealing properly and so the piston
> doesn't rise.
IME, when you get a punctured diaphragm, you never get just one. On a
four, you can expect at least two to be periced. Old age, see. Also the
symptoms are this: piece of piss to start, runs fine, ticks over
sweetly, but just refuses to rev beyond a certain ceiling as the slides
aren't lifting.
To be honest, a Pan isn't much gruntier than a VFR. It's only 100bhp or
so and it's a lot heavier.
>
> No problem I thought, just have a quick look inside the airbox while
> the engine's running and I'll be able to see. Except I can't.
<snip>
I wouldn't do this anyway. I'd just whip a carb top off, carefully
withdraw the slide and diaphragm, and hold it up to the light.
>
> In the meantime I ordered meself a set of vacuum gauges. It's about
> time I learnt to balance a set of carbs other than by guesswork. (And
> I've never been able to hear the diffence in the hiss through a tube).
> I haven't used gauges before but I'm assuming that the carbs are
> balanced mainly at tickover/low revs? If one of the pistons isn't
> lifting at higher revs, will the gauges show this up (I'm assuming it
> will have a higher vacuum)?
>
You want to get the bike well warmed up first. Never balance carbs with
a cold engine. Ideally, you should check the valve clearances first as
well. Then yes, tickover is right, perhaps a slightly fast tickover,
say 1500rpm. Then blip the throttle and all needles should rise and
fall in unison (or close to it). Note that the needles' reading isn't
important - what is important is that they should all read the same.
And a carb balance is unlikely to show up a punctured diaphragm because
that only really becomes evident under load, at higher (+50%) throttle.
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776074 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 19:47 |
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Champ <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote:
> Only Honda could make
> a 180mph bike feel, well, a bit boring.
How right you are.
--
Trophy 1200 750SS CB400F CD250 Z650
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776080 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 19:52 |
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Champ <news [at] champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Only Honda could make
>> a 180mph bike feel, well, a bit boring.
>
> How right you are.
1997ish I tried one back to back with a Thunderace, it was *horrible* by
comparison
--
Hog
'96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776126 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 20:56 |
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Simon Wilson wrote:
>
> Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
> a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
> seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
They aren't very grunty (if you're talking 1100 here). They're also
quite heavy - even my GSA (which replaced an ST1100) weighs
considerably less.
> In the meantime I ordered meself a set of vacuum gauges. It's about
> time I learnt to balance a set of carbs other than by guesswork. (And
> I've never been able to hear the diffence in the hiss through a tube).
> I haven't used gauges before but I'm assuming that the carbs are
> balanced mainly at tickover/low revs? If one of the pistons isn't
> lifting at higher revs, will the gauges show this up (I'm assuming it
> will have a higher vacuum)?
Tickover and low revs, yes. You'll also need a really, really long
screw driver to get at the adjusters in the first place.
--
Morini Corsaro 125 | CB450K4 | R1150GSA | XL250 Motosport x2 | 900SSD
Triumph T-Bird chop BOTAFOF #33 TWA#10
The UKRM FAQ: http://www.ukrm.net/faq/index.html
"Je profite du paysage" - Joe Bar
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776138 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 21:24 |
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TOG [at] toil, chateau.murray [at] btinternet.com, wrote:
>
> Simon Wilson wrote:
> > Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might
> > be a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the
> > grunt, seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
> >
> > I think it might have the same problem as I had on another bike,
> > one of the carb diaphragm thingys not sealing properly and so the
> > piston doesn't rise.
>
>
> IME, when you get a punctured diaphragm, you never get just one. On a
> four, you can expect at least two to be periced. Old age, see. Also
> the symptoms are this: piece of piss to start, runs fine, ticks over
> sweetly, but just refuses to rev beyond a certain ceiling as the
> slides aren't lifting.
>
> To be honest, a Pan isn't much gruntier than a VFR. It's only 100bhp
> or so and it's a lot heavier.
>
> >
> > No problem I thought, just have a quick look inside the airbox while
> > the engine's running and I'll be able to see. Except I can't.
>
> <snip>
>
> I wouldn't do this anyway. I'd just whip a carb top off, carefully
> withdraw the slide and diaphragm, and hold it up to the light.
>
> >
> > In the meantime I ordered meself a set of vacuum gauges. It's about
> > time I learnt to balance a set of carbs other than by guesswork.
> > (And I've never been able to hear the diffence in the hiss through
> > a tube). I haven't used gauges before but I'm assuming that the
> > carbs are balanced mainly at tickover/low revs? If one of the
> > pistons isn't lifting at higher revs, will the gauges show this up
> > (I'm assuming it will have a higher vacuum)?
> >
>
> You want to get the bike well warmed up first. Never balance carbs
> with a cold engine. Ideally, you should check the valve clearances
> first as well. Then yes, tickover is right, perhaps a slightly fast
> tickover, say 1500rpm. Then blip the throttle and all needles should
> rise and fall in unison (or close to it). Note that the needles'
> reading isn't important - what is important is that they should all
> read the same.
>
> And a carb balance is unlikely to show up a punctured diaphragm
> because that only really becomes evident under load, at higher (+50%)
> throttle.
I think I'll try the mirror trick first. Project's delayed a tad 'cos
now the right hand (what I thought was stainless but is really only
mild steel) silencer's fallen off. Arse.
Ok, it's looking more like a shed.....
--
/Simon
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776140 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 21:29 |
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Timo Geusch wrote:
> Simon Wilson wrote:
>
> >
> > Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might
> > be a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the
> > grunt, seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
>
> They aren't very grunty (if you're talking 1100 here). They're also
> quite heavy - even my GSA (which replaced an ST1100) weighs
> considerably less.
>
Yes it is the 1100. On paper it has more torque and at lower revs than
the veefer, but I guess that is offset by the weight. And yes it is
heavy, but I'm amazed at how the weight really does disappear as soon
as you set off. I bought it for two-up riding, and so far I am really
pleased with that.
I still think there's something up with the carbs, it runs out of steam
at around a 100. On private roads of course.
--
/Simon
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776153 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 21:41 |
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Simon Wilson wrote:
> Timo Geusch wrote:
>
> > Simon Wilson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it
> > > might be a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with
> > > the grunt, seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting
> > > more.
> >
> > They aren't very grunty (if you're talking 1100 here). They're also
> > quite heavy - even my GSA (which replaced an ST1100) weighs
> > considerably less.
> >
>
> Yes it is the 1100. On paper it has more torque and at lower revs than
> the veefer, but I guess that is offset by the weight. And yes it is
> heavy, but I'm amazed at how the weight really does disappear as soon
> as you set off. I bought it for two-up riding, and so far I am really
> pleased with that.
>
> I still think there's something up with the carbs, it runs out of
> steam at around a 100. On private roads of course.
That would suggest something's not quite right. I had mine up to about
120-130 on the Autobahn when riding in Germany.
--
Morini Corsaro 125 | CB450K4 | R1150GSA | XL250 Motosport x2 | 900SSD
Triumph T-Bird chop BOTAFOF #33 TWA#10
The UKRM FAQ: http://www.ukrm.net/faq/index.html
"Je profite du paysage" - Joe Bar
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776180 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 22:35 |
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Timo Geusch wrote:
> Simon Wilson wrote:
>
> > Timo Geusch wrote:
> >
> > > Simon Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it
> > > > might be a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed
> > > > with the grunt, seems about the same as my veefer and I was
> > > > expecting more.
> > >
> > > They aren't very grunty (if you're talking 1100 here). They're
> > > also quite heavy - even my GSA (which replaced an ST1100) weighs
> > > considerably less.
> > >
> >
> > Yes it is the 1100. On paper it has more torque and at lower revs
> > than the veefer, but I guess that is offset by the weight. And yes
> > it is heavy, but I'm amazed at how the weight really does disappear
> > as soon as you set off. I bought it for two-up riding, and so far I
> > am really pleased with that.
> >
> > I still think there's something up with the carbs, it runs out of
> > steam at around a 100. On private roads of course.
>
> That would suggest something's not quite right. I had mine up to about
> 120-130 on the Autobahn when riding in Germany.
Hence my OP. Top speed of a new 'un should be around 220kph/136mph
apparently. I still think a carb piston or two is not lifting.
Hopefully the gauges might give me a clue. I can't manouevre a
mirror/light in there to see what's going on. I really don't want to
take the carb tops off unless I have to 'cos I could end up with more
work.
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/Simon
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776211 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:07 |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Simon Wilson"
<siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> saying something like:
>I still think there's something up with the carbs, it runs out of steam
>at around a 100. On private roads of course.
There's your problem. Private roads in Britain are notoriously short.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a
In my trousers.
Folding [at] Home Team UKRM http://www.tinyurl.com/jkxwv
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776228 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:29 |
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Simon Wilson <siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
> I still think there's something up with the carbs, it runs out of steam
> at around a 100. On private roads of course.
Not right, then. Last one I rode would romp up to 110, accelerate less
briskly up to 120, and after that would gather speed, slowly, up to
135-140. All speeds indicated.
--
Trophy 1200 750SS CB400F CD250 Z650
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776229 ] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:29 |
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Simon Wilson <siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
> think I'll try the mirror trick first. Project's delayed a tad 'cos
> now the right hand (what I thought was stainless but is really only
> mild steel) silencer's fallen off. Arse.
A fucked exhaust won't do much for the performance either.
--
Trophy 1200 750SS CB400F CD250 Z650
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776270 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 00:09 |
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Pip wrote:
> zymurgy wrote:
> >Pip wrote:
> >> "Simon Wilson" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
> >> >a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
> >> >seems about the same as my veefer and I was expecting more.
> >>
> >> You're joking, right? Issa Honda, innit - no power step, no horizon
> >> rushing towards you in a blur allofasudden: bland.
> >
> >Sir should try one of Mr Hondas finest Blackbirds.
>
> Sir has, and Sir knew that some sad Honda rider would stick his head
> above the parapet to criticise Sir's sweeping generalisation
But, but, compared to the Viffers the bird is a completely different
kettle of our finned friends.
> However, even using such past the use-by date bait, it appears that SuperDreamBoy
> is now on the hook.
<fx: hangs head in shame>
P.
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776273 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 00:13 |
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On 11 Jul 2006 15:09:44 -0700, zymurgy [at] technologist.com wrote:
>But, but, compared to the Viffers the bird is a completely different
>kettle of our finned friends.
They're a rare air-cooled GT750?
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-Pip
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776285 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 00:36 |
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Champ wrote:
> zymurgy wrote:
> > Pip wrote:
> >> "Simon Wilson" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it might be
> >> >a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with the grunt,
> >>
> >> You're joking, right? Issa Honda, innit - no power step, no horizon
> >> rushing towards you in a blur allofasudden: bland.
> >
> >Sir should try one of Mr Hondas finest Blackbirds.
>
> While a Blackbird is certainly a Jolly Fast Bike, it doesn't have a
> power step, or a sensation of "OhFuckHereWeGo". Only Honda could make
> a 180mph bike feel, well, a bit boring. C'mon, you've had the 'bird
> and the 12R - tell me the 12R didn't "involve you" in ways that the Honda never could.
Well, i've had a go now on a few litrebikes, and it's only the 10R and
gixxer thou that i've ever thought had 'serious pickup'.
The Bird was linear, but fast, especially when revving it out through
the first few gears, whereas the 12R corners a hell of a lot better.
Involving, possibly, but it's not that flickable or flighty, so it's
confidence inspiring in the wet. The FJ 'gathers momentum' in
comparison to both. The 'storm doesn't have the stomp of the first 4.
Not tried the R1 yet, Jen was her usual protective self over it at the
BOSM, though now it's pre-disastered .. who knows !
Otherwise, that WC fella might step up.
Anything else ? New litre fireblade mebbe ? Anyone bought one yet ? ;)
P.
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776287 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 00:40 |
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zymurgy [at] technologist.com wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>> zymurgy wrote:
>>> Pip wrote:
>>>> "Simon Wilson" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I decided after riding the pan european for a bit that it
>>>>> might be a bit down on top-end power. I am also disappointed with
>>>>> the grunt,
>>>>
>>>> You're joking, right? Issa Honda, innit - no power step, no
>>>> horizon rushing towards you in a blur allofasudden: bland.
>>>
>>> Sir should try one of Mr Hondas finest Blackbirds.
>>
>> While a Blackbird is certainly a Jolly Fast Bike, it doesn't have a
>> power step, or a sensation of "OhFuckHereWeGo". Only Honda could
>> make
>> a 180mph bike feel, well, a bit boring. C'mon, you've had the 'bird
>> and the 12R - tell me the 12R didn't "involve you" in ways that the
>> Honda never could.
>
> Well, i've had a go now on a few litrebikes, and it's only the 10R and
> gixxer thou that i've ever thought had 'serious pickup'.
>
> The Bird was linear, but fast, especially when revving it out through
> the first few gears, whereas the 12R corners a hell of a lot better.
> Involving, possibly, but it's not that flickable or flighty, so it's
> confidence inspiring in the wet. The FJ 'gathers momentum' in
> comparison to both. The 'storm doesn't have the stomp of the first 4.
>
> Not tried the R1 yet, Jen was her usual protective self over it at the
> BOSM, though now it's pre-disastered .. who knows !
>
> Otherwise, that WC fella might step up.
>
> Anything else ? New litre fireblade mebbe ? Anyone bought one yet ? ;)
You might want to try the new 1200.
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platypus
and there's nothing I can do
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776310 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 01:38 |
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zymurgy [at] technologist.com wrote in news:1152657397.901090.153650
[at] m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
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> Not tried the R1 yet, Jen was her usual protective self over it at the
> BOSM, though now it's pre-disastered .. who knows !
>
> Otherwise, that WC fella might step up.
>
You've got about 16 hours before he flogs it
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wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #776418 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 11:21 |
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wessie wrote:
> zymurgy wrote
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> >
> > Not tried the R1 yet, Jen was her usual protective self over it at the
> > BOSM, though now it's pre-disastered .. who knows !
> >
> > Otherwise, that WC fella might step up.
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> You've got about 16 hours before he flogs it
He is a little fucker.
He said I could HAGM at Mallory !
P.
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| Re: FOAK: Carb balancing [message #779044 ] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 15:34 |
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Simon Wilson <siwilson [at] NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > think I'll try the mirror trick first. Project's delayed a tad 'cos
> > now the right hand (what I thought was stainless but is really only
> > mild steel) silencer's fallen off. Arse.
>
> A fucked exhaust won't do much for the performance either.
For the benefit of future googlers with older ST1100's with possible
punctured carb diaphragms. In the end I managed to get a peek at the
pistons to see if they were lifting. I could see naff all with the
little mirror thingy. I did it by shoving a 1" diameter cardboard tube
down the bellmouths until I could see the pistons.
They all lift ok.
Next step, fit the shiny new silencer[1][2], and verify TOG's (highly
plausible) theory about zorst/performance.
[1] on it's way
[2] 200 quid, gulp.
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/Simon
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