| 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767506] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 23:12 |
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2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
Calcification on rear axle noise?
I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot off
of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been talking
about or something else?
Thanks
Richard Grimes
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767507 ] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 23:46 |
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Spell check and are not friends. I have no clue what Calcification on rear
axle noise is. It should read something like clarification.
/Richard
"Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
news:e4a3c$448895c5$943fa388$26216 [at] STARBAND.NET...
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> 2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
>
> Calcification on rear axle noise?
>
> I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
> between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot
off
> of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been talking
> about or something else?
>
> Thanks
> Richard Grimes
>
>
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767510 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 01:52 |
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On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:12:37 -0400, "Cedartown Electronics"
<rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote:
>
>
>2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
>
>Calcification on rear axle noise?
>
> I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
>between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot off
>of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been talking
>about or something else?
>
>Thanks
>Richard Grimes
>
Hey! You just described my 2004. It went out of warrenty last month.
Should I be worried?
dickm
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767517 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 05:54 |
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"Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
news:e4a3c$448895c5$943fa388$26216 [at] STARBAND.NET...
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> 2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
>
> Calcification on rear axle noise?
>
> I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
> between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot
off
> of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been talking
> about or something else?
Nope, you've got the whine
When you take your foot off the gas you take the load off the bearings
Better hurry !!!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767518 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 05:55 |
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"dicko" <drwho [at] universalclock.com> wrote in message
news:n0eh82pu9rd5ug7h3pd85fjica7t4bnn5a [at] 4ax.com...
> Should I be worried?
>
> dickm
Yes
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767522 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 15:22 |
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TSB 05-23-3 11/28/05
REAR AXLE NOISE REPAIR\
FORD:
1997-2005 Expedition, F-150
2002-2005 Explorer
LINCOLN:
1998-2005 Navigator
2003-2005 Aviator
MERCURY:
2002-2005 Mountaineer
This article supersedes TSB 05-12-6 to update the Service Kit and
Service Procedure information.
ISSUE
Some vehicles may exhibit an axle whine or hum during acceleration,
deceleration and/or cruise.
ACTION
An axle repair kit has been developed which incorporates most parts
required for a comprehensive axle repair. The kit should be used
instead of installing a complete axle assembly to repair an axle
whine/hum. Replace Ring and Pinion with Axle Kit and Components.
NOTE REFER TO THE "DIFFERENTIAL RING AND PINION" IN-VEHICLE REPAIR
PROCEDURE IN THE ONLINE WORKSHOP MANUAL SECTION 205-00, FOR THE LATEST
AXLE DIAGNOSIS AND REPAIR PROCEDURES.
NOTE FOR 1999 AND PRIOR MODEL YEAR VEHICLES, USE THE 2000 MODEL YEAR
WORKSHOP MANUAL.
NOTE WHEN SERVICING THE REAR AXLE ON ANY 2002-2004 F-150, EXPEDITION,
NAVIGATOR, EXPLORER OR MOUNTAINEER BUILT BEFORE 3/30/2004, IF FLUID
REPLACEMENT IS REQUIRED, REPLACE THE ORIGINAL FUEL EFFICIENT HIGH
PERFORMANCE (FEHP) SAE 75W-90 REAR AXLE LUBRICANT WITH SAE 75W-140 HIGH
PERFORMANCE SYNTHETIC REAR AXLE LUBRICANT. WHEN THE FLUID TYPE IS
CHANGED, REPLACE THE CURRENT "FEHP" METAL TAG WITH A NEW "75W-140" TAG
(F3TZ-4121-AA). IN ADDITION, REMOVE OR BLOCK-OUT THE FEHP REFERENCE ON
THE MULTI-COLORED LABEL LOCATED ON THE RIGHT SIDE AXLE TUBE. IF THE
AXLE IS A LIMITED-SLIP MODEL, USE XL3 ADDITIVE FRICTION MODIFIER IN THE
QUANTITY RECOMMENDED BY THE WORKSHOP MANUAL.
KIT ORDERING: REFER TO THE VEHICLE AXLE TAG FOR AXLE RATIO
IDENTIFICATION
- 5L3Z-4209-A = (8.8-Inch Ring Gear/3.31 ratio) (1997-2005 F-150)
- 5L3Z-4209-B = (8.8-Inch Ring Gear/3.55 ratio) (1997-2005 F-150,
2002-2005 Explorer/Mountaineer/Aviator)
- 5L3Z-4209-C = (8.8-Inch Ring Gear/3.73 ratio) (1997-2005 F-150,
2002-2005 Explorer/Mountaineer/Aviator, 2003-2004 Expedition/Navigator)
- 5L3Z-4209-D = (9.75-Inch Ring Gear/3.31 ratio) (1997-2005 F-150, 2005
Expedition/Navigator, 1997-2002 Expedition/Navigator)
- 5L3Z-4209-E = (9.75-Inch Ring Gear/3.55 ratio) (1997-2005 F-150,
1997-2002 Expedition/Navigator)
- 5L3Z-4209-F = (9.75-Inch Ring Gear/3.73 ratio) (1997-2005 F-150,
1997-2005 Expedition/Navigator)
NOTE 9.75 REAR AXLE HOUSINGS WERE REDESIGNED IN MID-1999, INCREASING
FRONT PINION BEARING SIZE. REPLACING RING & PINIONS IN AN OLD-STYLE
AXLE ASSEMBLY WILL REQUIRE INSTALLATION OF SPACER P/N YL3Z4662-CA.
SPACER IS TO BE INSTALLED BETWEEN INNER PINION BEARING AND COLLAPSIBLE
SPACER.
THE AXLE SERVICE KITS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING COMPONENTS:
- 4630 - Head Bearing
- 4628 - Head Bearing Cup
- 4676 - Pinion Seal
- 386989-S2 - Washer (Slinger)
- 4621 - Tail Bearing
- 4616 - Tail Bearing Cup
- 4222 - Differential Bearing Cups
- 4221 - Differential Bearings
- 4209 - Gear Set (includes pinion shims, pinion nut and crush spacer)
- 4209 - Instruction Sheet
NOTE THE KIT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. SOME OR ALL OF THESE
ITEMS WILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE AXLE SERVICE, DEPENDING ON AXLE
APPLICATION/STYLE.
ORDER AS NEEDED:
NOTE REUSE OF RING GEAR BOLTS, CARRIER BEARING CAP BOLTS AND
DIFFERENTIAL SLAVE PIN RETAINING BOLT REQUIRES CLEANING OF THREADS AND
INSTALLATION OF TA-27 STUD AND BEARING MOUNT RETAINING COMPOUND &
SEALANT.
- YL3Z-4662-CA - Pinion Bearing Spacer for 1997-1998 9.75 axles
- XG-14 - Gear Marking Compound
- 4067 - Differential Shims 0.241" to 0.307"
- SAE XY-75W140-QL - High Performance Synthetic Rear Axle Lubricant
- XL-3 - Additive Friction Modifier (Limited Slip Axles Only)
- 205-506 - Seal Protectors (Rotunda Tool)
- W710084-5439 - Wheel End Nuts
- 390266-S199 - Differential Slave Pin Bolt (9.75" axles)
- 387426-S100 - Differential Slave Pin Bolt (8.8" axles)
- 4B422 - Axle Circlips
- ZC-21 - Metal Surface Cleaner
- TA-29 - Ultra Silicone Sealant
- TA-27 - Stud and Bearing Mount Retaining Compound and Sealer
- F3TZ-4121-AA - Fluid Tag (REQUIRED IF FLUID TYPE IS CHANGED FROM FEHP
DURING REPAIR)
WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited
Warranty Coverage
OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
052303A 1997-2002 Expedition, 4.7 Hrs.
1998-2002 Navigator,
1997-2004 F-150 Heritage,
2004-2005 F-150: Rear
axle Noise Repair
(Includes Time For Road
Test To Verify Concern
(Beam Axle)) (Do Not Use
With 4205A Or 4205A4)
052303A 2003-2005 Expedition: 5.8 Hrs.
Rear Axle Noise Repair
(Includes Time For Road
Test To Verify Concern (lrs
Axle)) (Do Not Use With
4010D Or 4010D4)
052303A 2003-2005 5.9 Hrs.
Expedition/Navigator With
Air Suspension: Rear Axle
Noise Repair (Includes
Time For Road Test To
Verify Concern (lrs Axle))
(Do Not Use With 4010D
Or 4010D4)
052303A 2002-2005 6.6 Hrs.
Explorer/Mountaineer,
2003-2005 Aviator: Rear
Axle Noise Repair
(Includes Time For Road
Test To Verify Concern (lrs
Axle)) (Do Not Use With
4010D Or 4010D4)
DEALER CODINGCONDITION BASIC PART NO.CODE 420914
OASIS CODES: 509000, 590000, 597997, 702000, 702200, 703200, 703300,
703400,
790000
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767525 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 21:30 |
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I called the local Ford store and they said it sounds like the bearings to
them. They will test drive to confirm the problem then order the parts.
I will let everyone know how it all comes out!
/Richard
"Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
news:e4a3c$448895c5$943fa388$26216 [at] STARBAND.NET...
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>
> 2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
>
> Calcification on rear axle noise?
>
> I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
> between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot
off
> of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been talking
> about or something else?
>
> Thanks
> Richard Grimes
>
>
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767545 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 15:37 |
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The local FORD store (where I bought the last 3 vehicles from) asked me to
come in Saturday morning at 7:30 so the service guy could verify the
problem. They feed me a sausage biscuit and had me on my way by 8:00.
They are ordering the bearing kit or whatever to install as soon as it
comes in. Looks good so far.......
/Richard
"Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
news:e4a3c$448895c5$943fa388$26216 [at] STARBAND.NET...
>
>
> 2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
>
> Calcification on rear axle noise?
>
> I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
> between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot
off
> of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been talking
> about or something else?
>
> Thanks
> Richard Grimes
>
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #767561 ] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 15:46 |
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Last post on this subject (I hope)
1. Truck went in shop 7/5/06. Service guy carried my wife home. (we live
about 15 miles from shop)
2. Shop delivered truck back at house 07/07/06.
3. Fixed the following items:
Put in rear end bearing kit
Replaced rear driver side power window motor. (again)
Replaced black door pillar panels on both sides that had become
discolored.
Put a few bucks of gas in truck
4. Charge: $0
5. I tested the truck Sunday and the rear whine is not noticeable.
All in all, not a bad experience at all. I suggest Freedom Ford in Centre,
Al if you live anywhere around here. They also listen to my other
complaints and offer suggestions on how to fix them myself on my '99
Explorer and '01 SuperCrew. So far so good, I have my fingers crossed!
Thanks everyone!
Richard Grimes
"Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
news:cab2d$44abc886$943fa388$10944 [at] STARBAND.NET...
> Well it really went in today to the shop. 07/05/06 warranty expires
> 07/31/06. They did not have a loaner car for my wife so the service
manager
> took her home. Which was pretty nice of them.
> Is there any particular "test" that can be done to make sure
everything
> is OK, or at least not worse?
>
> Thanks
> Richard
>
> "Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
> news:e4a3c$448895c5$943fa388$26216 [at] STARBAND.NET...
> >
> >
> > 2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
> >
> > Calcification on rear axle noise?
> >
> > I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
> > between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot
> off
> > of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been
talking
> > about or something else?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Richard Grimes
> >
> >
>
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #783567 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 02:25 |
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I took my '04 Explorer in yesterday to have my whine fixed. It was
one month out of warrenty. For a $300 "owner participation fee" they
agreed to fix it. Got the car back and it's never been so silent. In
fact, now I hear all the other noises it makes that I didn't hear
before :-)
I hope it stays this way. The dealer claims they redesigned the gears.
Overall, they did a good job. Dropped it off in the morning, it was
done that evening.
dickm
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:46:14 -0400, "Cedartown Electronics"
<rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote:
>Last post on this subject (I hope)
>
>1. Truck went in shop 7/5/06. Service guy carried my wife home. (we live
>about 15 miles from shop)
>2. Shop delivered truck back at house 07/07/06.
>3. Fixed the following items:
> Put in rear end bearing kit
> Replaced rear driver side power window motor. (again)
> Replaced black door pillar panels on both sides that had become
>discolored.
> Put a few bucks of gas in truck
>4. Charge: $0
>5. I tested the truck Sunday and the rear whine is not noticeable.
>
>All in all, not a bad experience at all. I suggest Freedom Ford in Centre,
>Al if you live anywhere around here. They also listen to my other
>complaints and offer suggestions on how to fix them myself on my '99
>Explorer and '01 SuperCrew. So far so good, I have my fingers crossed!
>
>Thanks everyone!
>Richard Grimes
>
>
>"Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
>news:cab2d$44abc886$943fa388$10944 [at] STARBAND.NET...
>> Well it really went in today to the shop. 07/05/06 warranty expires
>> 07/31/06. They did not have a loaner car for my wife so the service
>manager
>> took her home. Which was pretty nice of them.
>> Is there any particular "test" that can be done to make sure
>everything
>> is OK, or at least not worse?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Richard
>>
>> "Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
>> news:e4a3c$448895c5$943fa388$26216 [at] STARBAND.NET...
>> >
>> >
>> > 2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
>> >
>> > Calcification on rear axle noise?
>> >
>> > I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
>> > between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot
>> off
>> > of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been
>talking
>> > about or something else?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Richard Grimes
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #783569 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 15:46 |
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Anyone know if this problem also affects early '05 models? My Limited
V8 with the trailer towing package is beginning to whine at 55-60 mph.
The vehicle is still in warranty, so will take it to the dealer soon.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:25:56 -0500, dicko <drwho [at] universalclock.com>
wrote:
>I took my '04 Explorer in yesterday to have my whine fixed. It was
>one month out of warrenty. For a $300 "owner participation fee" they
>agreed to fix it. Got the car back and it's never been so silent. In
>fact, now I hear all the other noises it makes that I didn't hear
>before :-)
>
>I hope it stays this way. The dealer claims they redesigned the gears.
>
>Overall, they did a good job. Dropped it off in the morning, it was
>done that evening.
>
>dickm
>
>On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:46:14 -0400, "Cedartown Electronics"
><rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote:
>
>>Last post on this subject (I hope)
>>
>>1. Truck went in shop 7/5/06. Service guy carried my wife home. (we live
>>about 15 miles from shop)
>>2. Shop delivered truck back at house 07/07/06.
>>3. Fixed the following items:
>> Put in rear end bearing kit
>> Replaced rear driver side power window motor. (again)
>> Replaced black door pillar panels on both sides that had become
>>discolored.
>> Put a few bucks of gas in truck
>>4. Charge: $0
>>5. I tested the truck Sunday and the rear whine is not noticeable.
>>
>>All in all, not a bad experience at all. I suggest Freedom Ford in Centre,
>>Al if you live anywhere around here. They also listen to my other
>>complaints and offer suggestions on how to fix them myself on my '99
>>Explorer and '01 SuperCrew. So far so good, I have my fingers crossed!
>>
>>Thanks everyone!
>>Richard Grimes
>>
>>
>>"Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
>>news:cab2d$44abc886$943fa388$10944 [at] STARBAND.NET...
>>> Well it really went in today to the shop. 07/05/06 warranty expires
>>> 07/31/06. They did not have a loaner car for my wife so the service
>>manager
>>> took her home. Which was pretty nice of them.
>>> Is there any particular "test" that can be done to make sure
>>everything
>>> is OK, or at least not worse?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> "Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e4a3c$448895c5$943fa388$26216 [at] STARBAND.NET...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
>>> >
>>> > Calcification on rear axle noise?
>>> >
>>> > I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
>>> > between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot
>>> off
>>> > of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been
>>talking
>>> > about or something else?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> > Richard Grimes
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: 2003 Rear axle whine [message #783576 ] |
Sat, 15 July 2006 21:37 |
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The TSB was posted at the beginning of this thread. you can google for
it if you missed it. Here's the TSB header
TSB 05-23-3 11/28/05
REAR AXLE NOISE REPAIR\
FORD:
1997-2005 Expedition, F-150
2002-2005 Explorer
LINCOLN:
1998-2005 Navigator
2003-2005 Aviator
MERCURY:
2002-2005 Mountaineer
So yes, it does cover 2005.
I'd print out the TSB and take it with you to the dealer. But they
wouldnt fix mine until they verified for themselves that it had whine.
They wouldnt take my word for it. BTW, 57 mph was the magic speed on
mine where it sounded the worst.
dickm
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:46:33 GMT, Big Shoe
<j_shoe.removethis [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>Anyone know if this problem also affects early '05 models? My Limited
>V8 with the trailer towing package is beginning to whine at 55-60 mph.
>The vehicle is still in warranty, so will take it to the dealer soon.
>
>On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:25:56 -0500, dicko <drwho [at] universalclock.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I took my '04 Explorer in yesterday to have my whine fixed. It was
>>one month out of warrenty. For a $300 "owner participation fee" they
>>agreed to fix it. Got the car back and it's never been so silent. In
>>fact, now I hear all the other noises it makes that I didn't hear
>>before :-)
>>
>>I hope it stays this way. The dealer claims they redesigned the gears.
>>
>>Overall, they did a good job. Dropped it off in the morning, it was
>>done that evening.
>>
>>dickm
>>
>>On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:46:14 -0400, "Cedartown Electronics"
>><rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Last post on this subject (I hope)
>>>
>>>1. Truck went in shop 7/5/06. Service guy carried my wife home. (we live
>>>about 15 miles from shop)
>>>2. Shop delivered truck back at house 07/07/06.
>>>3. Fixed the following items:
>>> Put in rear end bearing kit
>>> Replaced rear driver side power window motor. (again)
>>> Replaced black door pillar panels on both sides that had become
>>>discolored.
>>> Put a few bucks of gas in truck
>>>4. Charge: $0
>>>5. I tested the truck Sunday and the rear whine is not noticeable.
>>>
>>>All in all, not a bad experience at all. I suggest Freedom Ford in Centre,
>>>Al if you live anywhere around here. They also listen to my other
>>>complaints and offer suggestions on how to fix them myself on my '99
>>>Explorer and '01 SuperCrew. So far so good, I have my fingers crossed!
>>>
>>>Thanks everyone!
>>>Richard Grimes
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
>>>news:cab2d$44abc886$943fa388$10944 [at] STARBAND.NET...
>>>> Well it really went in today to the shop. 07/05/06 warranty expires
>>>> 07/31/06. They did not have a loaner car for my wife so the service
>>>manager
>>>> took her home. Which was pretty nice of them.
>>>> Is there any particular "test" that can be done to make sure
>>>everything
>>>> is OK, or at least not worse?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> "Cedartown Electronics" <rgrimes [at] tds.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e4a3c$448895c5$943fa388$26216 [at] STARBAND.NET...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2003 XLT 24K miles almost out of warranty first of August.
>>>> >
>>>> > Calcification on rear axle noise?
>>>> >
>>>> > I think my explorer in getting the famous rear end whine. At speeds
>>>> > between 40 and 65 there is a loud whining sound BUT when I take my foot
>>>> off
>>>> > of the gas the whine sound quits. Is this what everyone has been
>>>talking
>>>> > about or something else?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> > Richard Grimes
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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