| Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #767096] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 10:25 |
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Because of endless population growth (which serves no rational
purpose), buyers of rural housing and off-road vehicles are fighting
over shrinking open space in remnants of wilderness. Any wildlife that
gets in the way is rolling the dice with its fate. Forget about the
quality of the scenery; it keeps getting uglier.
Here's an article on the growing conflict in these places, and the word
GROWING can't be stressed enough. There may be another 120 million
people in America in 50 years, all wanting a piece of finite land.
That's what really fuels these conflicts, not environmental laws that
try to protect what's left.
http://tinyurl.com/pnujt (article: "Cloud of dust surrounds off-road
rules")
Below is a satellite photo showing land north of Aguanga CA, a town
referenced in that article. Land is under attack anywhere zoning laws
allow it. Many people who live there are sick of off-roaders and vice
versa. A common "solution" sought by off-roaders is to carve more
trails in completely untouched wilderness. They don't care if a whole
region gets spider-veined. A great, conscientious bunch of folks.
http://tinyurl.com/p2yek (TerraServer satellite imagery)
The MotoVentures 300 acre ranch ("Dirt Bike Paradise!") can be seen at
the left-center of that image. Other dirt trails are scattered
everywhere and there's growing demand for more of these scars. This is
what your righteous lobbying is all about. I just wanted you to see it
from above. It's good to know that Americans have so much respect for
their natural heritage.
R. Lander
I don't expect many of you to give a damn (go ahead, call me a troll).
But at least think about what's happening to our land as the population
grows like wildfire. All land has limits, and something beyond noise
and fumes might matter to you someday.
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #767097 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 12:42 |
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On 12 Jun 2006 01:25:45 -0700, "R. Lander" <r_lander60 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
<snip a bunch of hand wringing>
>I don't expect many of you to give a damn (go ahead, call me a troll).
>But at least think about what's happening to our land as the population
>grows like wildfire. All land has limits, and something beyond noise
>and fumes might matter to you someday.
Nah. You're not a troll. You're a clueless, cum gurgling fuckwit.
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #767098 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 14:24 |
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On 12 Jun 2006 01:25:45 -0700, "R. Lander" <r_lander60 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
>It's good to know that Americans have so much respect for
>their natural heritage.
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What we Americans have a respect for is *PRIVATE PROPERTY*, and full
access to public property, and not allowing a frindge group to take
our rights away from us.
Peter's Troll-o-meter
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #767100 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 22:15 |
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I was going to respond to your post with an informative well thought
out
response about Motoventures and the good things Mr. Laplante has
done for the sport of off road recreation and conservation. But after
looking
at your USNET posting profile. It is obvious you are nothing but a
liberal
goon and nothing I could possibly say would change your mind. It would
be a waste of my time.
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For those of you out in RMD that might be interested in a very good
off
road training facility. Or are interested in learning how to ride
Trials from
some of the best riders and instructors on the west coast. Check out
http://www.motoventures.com Gary also leads tour groups of off
road'ers
to beautiful locations across the south west.
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As for the troll. I do agree with one of your rants. Over population.
It is and
will be a major problem for all of us during the rest of our
lifetimes.
There are two things you personally can do to help. First begins in
the
bedroom, "Stop having children" and second if you would be so kind as
to
be willing to help out with your own personal contribution. "Go kill
yourself".
Thank you.
SloCalSpode
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R. Lander wrote:
<SNIP> dribble from a fringe left loonie.
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #767104 ] |
Tue, 13 June 2006 05:19 |
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R. Lander wrote:
> Because of endless population growth (which serves no rational
> purpose), buyers of rural housing and off-road vehicles are fighting
> over shrinking open space in remnants of wilderness...
Are you sure those "trails" aren't the roads in the very nice
trai^Wmobilehome park that my SIL lives in?
--
Cheers,
Bev
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx
"Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."
-- Lionel
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #769868 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 12:42 |
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On 12 Jun 2006 01:25:45 -0700, "R. Lander" <r_lander60 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
<snip a bunch of hand wringing>
>I don't expect many of you to give a damn (go ahead, call me a troll).
>But at least think about what's happening to our land as the population
>grows like wildfire. All land has limits, and something beyond noise
>and fumes might matter to you someday.
Nah. You're not a troll. You're a clueless, cum gurgling fuckwit.
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #769873 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 14:24 |
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On 12 Jun 2006 01:25:45 -0700, "R. Lander" <r_lander60 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
>It's good to know that Americans have so much respect for
>their natural heritage.
>
What we Americans have a respect for is *PRIVATE PROPERTY*, and full
access to public property, and not allowing a frindge group to take
our rights away from us.
Peter's Troll-o-meter
Troll Not Troll
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
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O
(didn't move the needle at all!)
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #769933 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 22:15 |
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I was going to respond to your post with an informative well thought
out
response about Motoventures and the good things Mr. Laplante has
done for the sport of off road recreation and conservation. But after
looking
at your USNET posting profile. It is obvious you are nothing but a
liberal
goon and nothing I could possibly say would change your mind. It would
be a waste of my time.
-----
For those of you out in RMD that might be interested in a very good
off
road training facility. Or are interested in learning how to ride
Trials from
some of the best riders and instructors on the west coast. Check out
http://www.motoventures.com Gary also leads tour groups of off
road'ers
to beautiful locations across the south west.
-------
As for the troll. I do agree with one of your rants. Over population.
It is and
will be a major problem for all of us during the rest of our
lifetimes.
There are two things you personally can do to help. First begins in
the
bedroom, "Stop having children" and second if you would be so kind as
to
be willing to help out with your own personal contribution. "Go kill
yourself".
Thank you.
SloCalSpode
************************************************************ *****************************
R. Lander wrote:
<SNIP> dribble from a fringe left loonie.
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #769945 ] |
Tue, 13 June 2006 00:10 |
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I really wish you fuckin' idiots would get a fuckin' clue!
I know a place in Oregon where hundreds of dirt bikes rode the
trails there EVERY weekend and many weekdays. This went on for at
least five years. Eventually the area was posted and blocked off to
dirt bikes. I know because I went back there a couple of years later.
And guess what I discovered? Nothing! The forest had reclaimed the
area and anyone who didn't know better would be hard pressed to
surmise that dirt bikes had EVER dominated that area! Unlike the
millions of acres that are destroyed annually for gay-ass strip malls,
Super-fuckin'-WalMarts, Starbuck's shops, and Greenpeace headquarters.
If you want, I'll give you the exact co-ordinates and you can go
see for yourself. Not that you give a shit about any conflicting point
of view, however valid it might be.
It might also be worth mentioning that I used to ride those very
trails, and that I personally observed all sorts of wildlife thriving
in the area. We weren't hurting ANYBODY or ANYTHING! Those "scars" as
you call them are simple trails that allow folks to get closer to
nature and enjoy the outdoors, and aren't harming a damn thing!
CrashTestDummy - '85 RM-250
f.j.bradfordREMOVE [at] verizon.net
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| Re: Aguanga CA conflict (more people, more scars upon the land) [message #769986 ] |
Tue, 13 June 2006 05:19 |
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R. Lander wrote:
> Because of endless population growth (which serves no rational
> purpose), buyers of rural housing and off-road vehicles are fighting
> over shrinking open space in remnants of wilderness...
Are you sure those "trails" aren't the roads in the very nice
trai^Wmobilehome park that my SIL lives in?
--
Cheers,
Bev
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx
"Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."
-- Lionel
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