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| Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765233] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 04:13 |
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Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP. The engine will
not start. A few days before the problem occured I used the boat for
about 2 hours chasing stripers around the bay. The engines were turned
on and off at least a dozen times. They seemed to be running just fine
at the time.
The next time I went to start the engines they started right up.
However one of them would not idle. I tried to start it again and it
started, rev'ed up but quickly stalled and would not start again.
To find out while troubleshooting, I am getting plenty of gas pumped to
the carbs by the two fuel pumps. But, (and this is the odd part) the
float bowls are all empty. Not one or two or even three but all four!
If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
valve and out the drain.
What could cause all four channels to clog simultaneously? If I have
to take the carburetors off, of course I will. But all four are an
assembly and not a trivial thing to do.
Any thoughts,
--Mike
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765235 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 04:23 |
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On 6 Jun 2006 19:13:14 -0700, machurley [at] adelphia.net wrote:
>Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
>
>The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP. The engine will
>not start. A few days before the problem occured I used the boat for
>about 2 hours chasing stripers around the bay. The engines were turned
>on and off at least a dozen times. They seemed to be running just fine
>at the time.
>
>The next time I went to start the engines they started right up.
>However one of them would not idle. I tried to start it again and it
>started, rev'ed up but quickly stalled and would not start again.
>
>To find out while troubleshooting, I am getting plenty of gas pumped to
>the carbs by the two fuel pumps. But, (and this is the odd part) the
>float bowls are all empty. Not one or two or even three but all four!
>If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
>bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
>that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
>experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
>valve and out the drain.
>
>What could cause all four channels to clog simultaneously? If I have
>to take the carburetors off, of course I will. But all four are an
>assembly and not a trivial thing to do.
>
>Any thoughts,
>--Mike
Using a can of carb cleaner with the tube that fits the can, blast
some carb cleaner through the supply lines. Do you have a fuel filter
that has collapsed/clogged? Too many questions...no answers.
Check your fuel filter and blow the carb cleaner through the lines to
clean out the gunk to the float bowls.
Lg
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765236 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 04:31 |
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The clog is only present at the carb itself. I checked the in line
fuel filter and it appeared clean. There was no sign of any debris.
Assuming that it would take a large amount of sludge/dirt to totally
clog all four needle valve assemblies simultaneously it doesn't appear
that the problem is dirt. I'd think there would b e evidence in the
filter. There would hve to be enough of it to totally inhibit fuel flow
passed all four needle valves.
Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2006 19:13:14 -0700, machurley [at] adelphia.net wrote:
>
> >Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
> >
> >The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP. The engine will
> >not start. A few days before the problem occured I used the boat for
> >about 2 hours chasing stripers around the bay. The engines were turned
> >on and off at least a dozen times. They seemed to be running just fine
> >at the time.
> >
> >The next time I went to start the engines they started right up.
> >However one of them would not idle. I tried to start it again and it
> >started, rev'ed up but quickly stalled and would not start again.
> >
> >To find out while troubleshooting, I am getting plenty of gas pumped to
> >the carbs by the two fuel pumps. But, (and this is the odd part) the
> >float bowls are all empty. Not one or two or even three but all four!
> >If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
> >bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
> >that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
> >experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
> >valve and out the drain.
> >
> >What could cause all four channels to clog simultaneously? If I have
> >to take the carburetors off, of course I will. But all four are an
> >assembly and not a trivial thing to do.
> >
> >Any thoughts,
> >--Mike
>
> Using a can of carb cleaner with the tube that fits the can, blast
> some carb cleaner through the supply lines. Do you have a fuel filter
> that has collapsed/clogged? Too many questions...no answers.
>
> Check your fuel filter and blow the carb cleaner through the lines to
> clean out the gunk to the float bowls.
>
> Lg
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765239 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 04:55 |
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On 6 Jun 2006 19:31:05 -0700, machurley [at] adelphia.net wrote:
>The clog is only present at the carb itself. I checked the in line
>fuel filter and it appeared clean. There was no sign of any debris.
>Assuming that it would take a large amount of sludge/dirt to totally
>clog all four needle valve assemblies simultaneously it doesn't appear
>that the problem is dirt. I'd think there would b e evidence in the
>filter. There would hve to be enough of it to totally inhibit fuel flow
>passed all four needle valves.
You've got a pinched fuel line then. You say yourself you can't blow
through it? Find the restriction. Or just as a temporary fix, run
some new flex fuel line from the fuel pump to the carbs.
Lg
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>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>> On 6 Jun 2006 19:13:14 -0700, machurley [at] adelphia.net wrote:
>>
>> >Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
>> >
>> >The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP. The engine will
>> >not start. A few days before the problem occured I used the boat for
>> >about 2 hours chasing stripers around the bay. The engines were turned
>> >on and off at least a dozen times. They seemed to be running just fine
>> >at the time.
>> >
>> >The next time I went to start the engines they started right up.
>> >However one of them would not idle. I tried to start it again and it
>> >started, rev'ed up but quickly stalled and would not start again.
>> >
>> >To find out while troubleshooting, I am getting plenty of gas pumped to
>> >the carbs by the two fuel pumps. But, (and this is the odd part) the
>> >float bowls are all empty. Not one or two or even three but all four!
>> >If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
>> >bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
>> >that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
>> >experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
>> >valve and out the drain.
>> >
>> >What could cause all four channels to clog simultaneously? If I have
>> >to take the carburetors off, of course I will. But all four are an
>> >assembly and not a trivial thing to do.
>> >
>> >Any thoughts,
>> >--Mike
>>
>> Using a can of carb cleaner with the tube that fits the can, blast
>> some carb cleaner through the supply lines. Do you have a fuel filter
>> that has collapsed/clogged? Too many questions...no answers.
>>
>> Check your fuel filter and blow the carb cleaner through the lines to
>> clean out the gunk to the float bowls.
>>
>> Lg
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765241 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 05:14 |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:55:45 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
<Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
>>> >bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
>>> >that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
>>> >experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
>>> >valve and out the drain.
pull the hose you can't blow through and ream it with a dowel or coat
hanger. flush it clean. reinstall or replace with new.
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765242 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 05:30 |
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Thanks Lawrence, but the odd thing is that there are four seperate
clogged hoses. It's not one hose. And, being an outboard, the only way
to remove the hose, believe it or not, is to remove all four
carburetors, air baffles and intake manifolds. A real nightmare.
I just want to make sure I have exhausted all options before I
undertake such a job.
I know I'd be looking at 1000-2000 dollars to pass this problem on to
the local 100+ dollar an hour mariner.
I think I'm going to buy a set of golf clubs.
Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:55:45 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
> <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>> >If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
> >>> >bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
> >>> >that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
> >>> >experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
> >>> >valve and out the drain.
>
> pull the hose you can't blow through and ream it with a dowel or coat
> hanger. flush it clean. reinstall or replace with new.
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765244 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 05:43 |
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<machurley [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1149646394.887533.212750 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
>
> The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP. The engine will
> not start. A few days before the problem occured I used the boat for
> about 2 hours chasing stripers around the bay. The engines were turned
> on and off at least a dozen times. They seemed to be running just fine
> at the time.
>
> The next time I went to start the engines they started right up.
> However one of them would not idle. I tried to start it again and it
> started, rev'ed up but quickly stalled and would not start again.
>
> To find out while troubleshooting, I am getting plenty of gas pumped to
> the carbs by the two fuel pumps. But, (and this is the odd part) the
> float bowls are all empty. Not one or two or even three but all four!
> If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
> bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
> that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
> experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
> valve and out the drain.
>
> What could cause all four channels to clog simultaneously? If I have
> to take the carburetors off, of course I will. But all four are an
> assembly and not a trivial thing to do.
>
> Any thoughts,
> --Mike
>
I have a few:
1: This isn't probably the best group to ask outboard motor questions on.
2: If you are going to ask at least list the year and brand of your motor
3: If none of your carbs are getting fuel look at something that is common
to all of them.... pump, filter, or maybe a hole in the line to the tank? Do
both engines draw off the same tank? The more info you give the more help
you will get.
4: Glickman is an idiot, don't bother reaming any fuel lines with coat
hangers or any such stupidity..... A lean running 2 stroke will quickly
destroy itself. If you can't find the problem yourself you're better off to
pay an expert to figure it out than to burn it down.
Good luck
Bob
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765245 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 05:45 |
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On 6 Jun 2006 20:30:51 -0700, machurley [at] adelphia.net wrote:
>Thanks Lawrence, but the odd thing is that there are four seperate
>clogged hoses. It's not one hose. And, being an outboard, the only way
>to remove the hose, believe it or not, is to remove all four
>carburetors, air baffles and intake manifolds. A real nightmare.
>
>I just want to make sure I have exhausted all options before I
>undertake such a job.
>
>I know I'd be looking at 1000-2000 dollars to pass this problem on to
>the local 100+ dollar an hour mariner.
>
>I think I'm going to buy a set of golf clubs.
A boat is a hole in the water into which you throw your money. OTOH,
if I were you, I wouldn't despair. I have come across few things in
life that couldn't be disassembled. It is getting it all back
together that is the bitch ;-\
I don't know where you are, but I bet a bottle of A&W root beer and a
bag of ice that I could get those hoses out of there in under 30
minutes, and new one's installed in under another 30 minutes. They
don't have to be steel lines. Hi temp fuel hose is available
everywhere, and you are only pushing 65 psi through it at the most
anyhow. Your biggest worry is routing it so it doesn't get abraided
or melted. I should know...I've been running my own fuel lines for my
landscaping equipment for decades. Cost? Under $10 U.S. not counting
labor.
Forget the 1000-2000 baloney. You can fix this problem yourself with
the loose change I have in my back pocket. Believe it. I have $5.20
US in my back pocket.
Lg
>
>
>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:55:45 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
>> <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>> >If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
>> >>> >bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
>> >>> >that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
>> >>> >experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
>> >>> >valve and out the drain.
>>
>> pull the hose you can't blow through and ream it with a dowel or coat
>> hanger. flush it clean. reinstall or replace with new.
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765246 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 05:48 |
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On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:43:30 -0500, "Bob" <bob [at] n0spam.net> wrote:
>
><machurley [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
>news:1149646394.887533.212750 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
>>
>> The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP. The engine will
>> not start. A few days before the problem occured I used the boat for
>> about 2 hours chasing stripers around the bay. The engines were turned
>> on and off at least a dozen times. They seemed to be running just fine
>> at the time.
>>
>> The next time I went to start the engines they started right up.
>> However one of them would not idle. I tried to start it again and it
>> started, rev'ed up but quickly stalled and would not start again.
>>
>> To find out while troubleshooting, I am getting plenty of gas pumped to
>> the carbs by the two fuel pumps. But, (and this is the odd part) the
>> float bowls are all empty. Not one or two or even three but all four!
>> If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
>> bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
>> that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
>> experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
>> valve and out the drain.
>>
>> What could cause all four channels to clog simultaneously? If I have
>> to take the carburetors off, of course I will. But all four are an
>> assembly and not a trivial thing to do.
>>
>> Any thoughts,
>> --Mike
>>
>
>I have a few:
>1: This isn't probably the best group to ask outboard motor questions on.
>2: If you are going to ask at least list the year and brand of your motor
>3: If none of your carbs are getting fuel look at something that is common
>to all of them.... pump, filter, or maybe a hole in the line to the tank? Do
>both engines draw off the same tank? The more info you give the more help
>you will get.
>4: Glickman is an idiot, don't bother reaming any fuel lines with coat
>hangers or any such stupidity
Of course not. Go right to Bob's shop where he can vacuum you wallet
clean! Including the credit cards!
>..... A lean running 2 stroke will quickly
>destroy itself. If you can't find the problem yourself you're better off to
>pay an expert to figure it out than to burn it down.
>
>Good luck
> Bob
>
Bite me
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765247 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 05:51 |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:48:04 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
<Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:43:30 -0500, "Bob" <bob [at] n0spam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><machurley [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
>>news:1149646394.887533.212750 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
>>>
>>> The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP. The engine will
>>> not start. A few days before the problem occured I used the boat for
>>> about 2 hours chasing stripers around the bay. The engines were turned
>>> on and off at least a dozen times. They seemed to be running just fine
>>> at the time.
>>>
>>> The next time I went to start the engines they started right up.
>>> However one of them would not idle. I tried to start it again and it
>>> started, rev'ed up but quickly stalled and would not start again.
>>>
>>> To find out while troubleshooting, I am getting plenty of gas pumped to
>>> the carbs by the two fuel pumps. But, (and this is the odd part) the
>>> float bowls are all empty. Not one or two or even three but all four!
>>> If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
>>> bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
>>> that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
>>> experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
>>> valve and out the drain.
>>>
>>> What could cause all four channels to clog simultaneously? If I have
>>> to take the carburetors off, of course I will. But all four are an
>>> assembly and not a trivial thing to do.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts,
>>> --Mike
>>>
>>
>>I have a few:
>>1: This isn't probably the best group to ask outboard motor questions on.
>>2: If you are going to ask at least list the year and brand of your motor
>>3: If none of your carbs are getting fuel look at something that is common
>>to all of them.... pump, filter, or maybe a hole in the line to the tank? Do
>>both engines draw off the same tank? The more info you give the more help
>>you will get.
>>4: Glickman is an idiot, don't bother reaming any fuel lines with coat
>>hangers or any such stupidity
>
>Of course not. Go right to Bob's shop where he can vacuum you wallet
>clean! Including the credit cards!
============================================================ ==
>>..... A lean running 2 stroke will quickly
>>destroy itself.
Read the title of the thread YOU MORON. It's a 4 stroke, not a 2, you
IDIOT!
> If you can't find the problem yourself you're better off to
>>pay an expert to figure it out than to burn it down.
>>
>>Good luck
>> Bob
>>
>
>Bite me
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765257 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 12:21 |
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<machurley [at] adelphia.net> wrote
> If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
> bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
> that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
> experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
> valve and out the drain.
Try treating it like a clueless hooker... "don't blow, SUCK".
That's assuming you can poke something up the drain hole to
lift the float off the seat.
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765258 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 13:02 |
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machurley [at] adelphia.net wrote:
>
> Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
>
> The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP. The engine will
> not start. A few days before the problem occured I used the boat for
> about 2 hours chasing stripers around the bay. The engines were turned
> on and off at least a dozen times. They seemed to be running just fine
> at the time.
>
> The next time I went to start the engines they started right up.
> However one of them would not idle. I tried to start it again and it
> started, rev'ed up but quickly stalled and would not start again.
>
> To find out while troubleshooting, I am getting plenty of gas pumped to
> the carbs by the two fuel pumps. But, (and this is the odd part) the
> float bowls are all empty. Not one or two or even three but all four!
> If I remove the hose that feeds the carburetor and remove the float
> bowl drain screw and blow into the hose as hard as I can it is apparent
> that the path is blocked (on all four carbs). I perform this same
> experiment on the good engine and I can blow air right pass the needle
> valve and out the drain.
>
> What could cause all four channels to clog simultaneously? If I have
> to take the carburetors off, of course I will. But all four are an
> assembly and not a trivial thing to do.
If it were below freezing where you are I would say you have ice in the
lines. A slug of water pumped into the lines and left to sit and freeze
would fit your description perfectly. Given that you have good fuel
supply to the lines and presumably a good filter keeping anything solid
out, I can't think of any thing else that would be able to get into the
lines as a liquid and then solidify.
-jim
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| You should go back on your meds... [message #765266 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 14:46 |
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:48:04 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
> <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
>>Bite me
>
>
....Cuz asshole, stalker, netkooks suck!
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765268 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 16:01 |
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Bob <bob [at] n0spam.net> wrote in article <DXrhg.132$rL4.131 [at] fe03.lga>...
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> <machurley [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:1149646394.887533.212750 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
> >
> > The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP.
> A lean running 2 stroke will quickly
> destroy itself. If you can't find the problem yourself you're better off
to
> pay an expert to figure it out than to burn it down.
>
>
Let's hope that "expert" reads and comprehends better than YOU do!
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| Re: You should go back on your meds... [message #765269 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 16:02 |
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On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:46:44 -0400, anumber1
<anumber1*NOSPAM* [at] bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:48:04 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
>> <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
><SNIP>
>>>Bite me
>>
>>
>
>...Cuz asshole, stalker, netkooks suck!
You should commit suicide, because continuing to pop out NITWITS like
Bob is destroying this Nation, and is pulling everyone's IQ down with
it.
Lg
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| Re: You should go back on your meds... [message #765273 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 16:11 |
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On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:46:44 -0400, anumber1
<anumber1*NOSPAM* [at] bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:48:04 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
>> <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
><SNIP>
>>>Bite me
>>
>>
>
>...Cuz asshole, stalker, netkooks suck!
If marshmallow is going to try to slime me on the net, he will get
twice in return what he does to me.
I never did anything to him, that other's before me haven't done, as
you can find out for yourself. He is abusive and argumentative. So
am I if I think I have a worthy opponent. He started this...I'll
finish it.
Lg
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| Re: You should go back on your meds... [message #765275 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 16:32 |
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I thank all those who helped. When I get to the bottom of this I will
send a reply.
It's a bit of a mystery. Taking it apart will obvioulsy solve the
mystery. The optimist in me was hoping I'd find a more simple
solution. Looks like once the rain clears the wrenches will be flying.
My best guess at this point (someone suggested this to me) is internal
debris, possibly from one of the fuel pumps (there are two but there is
a balancing hose connecting them) lodged itself into all the needle
valve ports clogging all the carbs. Possibly a corroded diaphram.
Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:46:44 -0400, anumber1
> <anumber1*NOSPAM* [at] bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> >> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:48:04 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
> >> <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> ><SNIP>
> >>>Bite me
> >>
> >>
> >
> >...Cuz asshole, stalker, netkooks suck!
>
> If marshmallow is going to try to slime me on the net, he will get
> twice in return what he does to me.
>
> I never did anything to him, that other's before me haven't done, as
> you can find out for yourself. He is abusive and argumentative. So
> am I if I think I have a worthy opponent. He started this...I'll
> finish it.
>
> Lg
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| Re: You should go back on your meds... [message #765279 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 16:44 |
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On 7 Jun 2006 07:32:07 -0700, machurley [at] adelphia.net wrote:
>
>I thank all those who helped. When I get to the bottom of this I will
>send a reply.
>It's a bit of a mystery. Taking it apart will obvioulsy solve the
>mystery. The optimist in me was hoping I'd find a more simple
>solution. Looks like once the rain clears the wrenches will be flying.
>
>
>My best guess at this point (someone suggested this to me) is internal
>debris, possibly from one of the fuel pumps (there are two but there is
>a balancing hose connecting them) lodged itself into all the needle
>valve ports clogging all the carbs. Possibly a corroded diaphram.
Sometimes the hardest part of any job is just getting started on it.
Once you build up some momentum, you'll have it fixed in no time at
all. Think of it as a learning experience.
Lg
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765287 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 18:58 |
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In article <01c68a3a$854585a0$aa94c3d8 [at] race>,
"*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote:
> Bob <bob [at] n0spam.net> wrote in article <DXrhg.132$rL4.131 [at] fe03.lga>...
> >
> > <machurley [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:1149646394.887533.212750 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
> > >
> > > The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP.
>
>
> > A lean running 2 stroke will quickly
> > destroy itself. If you can't find the problem yourself you're better off
> to
> > pay an expert to figure it out than to burn it down.
> >
> >
>
>
> Let's hope that "expert" reads and comprehends better than YOU do!
Are you saying that lean running will not hurt a 4 stroke?
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765294 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 21:13 |
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765299 ] |
Wed, 07 June 2006 22:09 |
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aarcuda69062 <nonelson [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in article
<nonelson-08C491.11583907062006 [at] newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>...
> In article <01c68a3a$854585a0$aa94c3d8 [at] race>,
> "*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob <bob [at] n0spam.net> wrote in article <DXrhg.132$rL4.131 [at] fe03.lga>...
> > >
> > > <machurley [at] adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1149646394.887533.212750 [at] j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Hopefully someone has a thought on this.
> > > >
> > > > The engine has four carbs. It is a four stroke 100HP.
> >
> >
> > > A lean running 2 stroke will quickly
> > > destroy itself. If you can't find the problem yourself you're better
off
> > to
> > > pay an expert to figure it out than to burn it down.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Let's hope that "expert" reads and comprehends better than YOU do!
>
> Are you saying that lean running will not hurt a 4 stroke?
>
Why do you insist on putting words in people's mouths?
I was merely pointing out that he was thinking it was - and, apparently,
diagnosing it as - a two-stroke when in fact it was a four-stroke.
If someone were to ask a question concerning a gasoline engine, and the
answer came back, "A plugged diesel injector would cause a cylinder to
miss...".....would YOU consider that to be a sensible answer?
While a plugged fuel injector would certainly cause a gasoline engine to
also miss, the diesel-oriented answer is non-sensical - suggesting that the
person commenting was not in tune with the situation......much the same as
a two-stroke-oriented comment while discussing a four-stroke problem.
......Here's your sign!........
And, yes, I DO believe a lean-running two-stroke will destroy itself much
quicker than a lean-running four-stroke.....
Four-strokes are not at all dependent on fuel/air mixture for lower-end and
cylinder wall lubrication as the two-strokes are......
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765325 ] |
Thu, 08 June 2006 05:21 |
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In article <01c68a6d$aed1ef20$aa94c3d8 [at] race>,
"*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote:
> > Are you saying that lean running will not hurt a 4 stroke?
> >
>
>
> Why do you insist on putting words in people's mouths?
I didn't put words in anyones mouth, I asked a question.
>
> I was merely pointing out that he was thinking it was - and, apparently,
> diagnosing it as - a two-stroke when in fact it was a four-stroke.
Irrelevant when the symptom observed is carburetor float bowls
that won't fill up with fuel.
> If someone were to ask a question concerning a gasoline engine, and the
> answer came back, "A plugged diesel injector would cause a cylinder to
> miss...".....would YOU consider that to be a sensible answer?
Could simply be a typo.
Makes me think back to my first GM Diesel training class 25-26
years ago; if you said the word "injector" more than once in
class, the instructor would whack you upside the head with a
hammer.
> While a plugged fuel injector would certainly cause a gasoline engine to
> also miss, the diesel-oriented answer is non-sensical - suggesting that the
> person commenting was not in tune with the situation......much the same as
> a two-stroke-oriented comment while discussing a four-stroke problem.
Well, um... We're not supposed to bring such things up. Wins
you the name of know it all and asshole. ;-)
>
> .....Here's your sign!........
>
>
> And, yes, I DO believe a lean-running two-stroke will destroy itself much
> quicker than a lean-running four-stroke.....
Even a Detroit?
> Four-strokes are not at all dependent on fuel/air mixture for lower-end and
> cylinder wall lubrication as the two-strokes are......
Not all two strokes carry lubrication in the air/fuel mixture,
then again when discussing two strokes, one needs to recognize
that there are two distinctly different modes of running lean,
lean on fuel and lean on lubrication.
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765402 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 16:45 |
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aarcuda69062 <nonelson [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in article
<nonelson-E7E0F1.22212307062006 [at] newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>...
> In article <01c68a6d$aed1ef20$aa94c3d8 [at] race>,
> "*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote:
>
> > > Are you saying that lean running will not hurt a 4 stroke?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Why do you insist on putting words in people's mouths?
>
> I didn't put words in anyones mouth, I asked a question.
>
> >
> > I was merely pointing out that he was thinking it was - and,
apparently,
> > diagnosing it as - a two-stroke when in fact it was a four-stroke.
>
> Irrelevant when the symptom observed is carburetor float bowls
> that won't fill up with fuel.
>
> > If someone were to ask a question concerning a gasoline engine, and the
> > answer came back, "A plugged diesel injector would cause a cylinder to
> > miss...".....would YOU consider that to be a sensible answer?
>
> Could simply be a typo.
> Makes me think back to my first GM Diesel training class 25-26
> years ago; if you said the word "injector" more than once in
> class, the instructor would whack you upside the head with a
> hammer.
>
By the tone of your post, I'd say you used the word just once too often!
> > While a plugged fuel injector would certainly cause a gasoline engine
to
> > also miss, the diesel-oriented answer is non-sensical - suggesting that
the
> > person commenting was not in tune with the situation......much the same
as
> > a two-stroke-oriented comment while discussing a four-stroke problem.
>
> Well, um... We're not supposed to bring such things up. Wins
> you the name of know it all and asshole. ;-)
>
> >
> > .....Here's your sign!........
> >
> >
> > And, yes, I DO believe a lean-running two-stroke will destroy itself
much
> > quicker than a lean-running four-stroke.....
>
> Even a Detroit?
>
> > Four-strokes are not at all dependent on fuel/air mixture for lower-end
and
> > cylinder wall lubrication as the two-strokes are......
>
> Not all two strokes carry lubrication in the air/fuel mixture,
> then again when discussing two strokes, one needs to recognize
> that there are two distinctly different modes of running lean,
> lean on fuel and lean on lubrication.
>
Looks like you just took over the title "Know-it-all/Asshole!!"
I guess you put me in my place!!!
Happy?
It is quite obvious that you're itching for some sort of
confrontation.....But, you are knocking on the wrong door this time, Bunky!
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765407 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 18:25 |
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"*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote in message
news:01c68bd2$c4653d40$4794c3d8 [at] race...
> Looks like you just took over the title "Know-it-all/Asshole!!"
>
> I guess you put me in my place!!!
>
> Happy?
I think you have a lock on the title of "Know-it-all/Asshole!!" You're also
the only "PERFECT" asshole here
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765413 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 22:19 |
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In article <01c68bd2$c4653d40$4794c3d8 [at] race>,
"*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote:
> Looks like you just took over the title "Know-it-all/Asshole!!"
I wasn't aware that I had lost it in the first place.
> I guess you put me in my place!!!
We have places?
> Happy?
Yes, but it has nothing to do with you.
> It is quite obvious that you're itching for some sort of
> confrontation.....But, you are knocking on the wrong door this time, Bunky!
You're free to take my posts however you see fit.
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765416 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 23:00 |
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On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:19:02 GMT, aarcuda69062
<nonelson [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>In article <01c68bd2$c4653d40$4794c3d8 [at] race>,
> "*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like you just took over the title "Know-it-all/Asshole!!"
>
>I wasn't aware that I had lost it in the first place.
>
>> I guess you put me in my place!!!
>
>We have places?
>
>> Happy?
>
>Yes, but it has nothing to do with you.
>
>> It is quite obvious that you're itching for some sort of
>> confrontation.....But, you are knocking on the wrong door this time, Bunky!
>
>You're free to take my posts however you see fit.
I put your *technical* information into my notebook. 36 years
experience is good enough for me. You dah man.
Lg
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| Re: Baffled - carburator problem (4-stroke outboard engine) [message #765417 ] |
Fri, 09 June 2006 23:04 |
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On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:45:07 -0500, "*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote:
>
>
>aarcuda69062 <nonelson [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in article
><nonelson-E7E0F1.22212307062006 [at] newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>...
>> In article <01c68a6d$aed1ef20$aa94c3d8 [at] race>,
>> "*" <nospam [at] this.addy.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Are you saying that lean running will not hurt a 4 stroke?
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Why do you insist on putting words in people's mouths?
>>
>> I didn't put words in anyones mouth, I asked a question.
>>
>> >
>> > I was merely pointing out that he was thinking it was - and,
>apparently,
>> > diagnosing it as - a two-stroke when in fact it was a four-stroke.
>>
>> Irrelevant when the symptom observed is carburetor float bowls
>> that won't fill up with fuel.
>>
>> > If someone were to ask a question concerning a gasoline engine, and the
>> > answer came back, "A plugged diesel injector would cause a cylinder to
>> > miss...".....would YOU consider that to be a sensible answer?
>>
>> Could simply be a typo.
>> Makes me think back to my first GM Diesel training class 25-26
>> years ago; if you said the word "injector" more than once in
>> class, the instructor would whack you upside the head with a
>> hammer.
>>
>
>
>By the tone of your post, I'd say you used the word just once too often!
>
>
>> > While a plugged fuel injector would certainly cause a gasoline engine
>to
>> > also miss, the diesel-oriented answer is non-sensical - suggesting that
>the
>> > person commenting was not in tune with the situation......much the same
>as
>> > a two-stroke-oriented comment while discussing a four-stroke problem.
>>
>> Well, um... We're not supposed to bring such things up. Wins
>> you the name of know it all and asshole. ;-)
>>
>> >
>> > .....Here's your sign!........
>> >
>> >
>> > And, yes, I DO believe a lean-running two-stroke will destroy itself
>much
>> > quicker than a lean-running four-stroke.....
>>
>> Even a Detroit?
>>
>> > Four-strokes are not at all dependent on fuel/air mixture for lower-end
>and
>> > cylinder wall lubrication as the two-strokes are......
>>
>> Not all two strokes carry lubrication in the air/fuel mixture,
>> then again when discussing two strokes, one needs to recognize
>> that there are two distinctly different modes of running lean,
>> lean on fuel and lean on lubrication.
>>
>
>
>Looks like you just took over the title "Know-it-all/Asshole!!"
>
>I guess you put me in my place!!!
>
>Happy?
>
>It is quite obvious that you're itching for some sort of
>confrontation.....But, you are knocking on the wrong door this time, Bunky!
>
Odd thing is, *, that aarcuda DOES know it all. And he's not an
asshole about it. Consider yourself LUCKY you have him in the n/g as
a resource.
Lg
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...larry dickman << O T >> [message #765430 ] |
Sat, 10 June 2006 04:18 |
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>
> If marshmallow is going to try to slime me on the net, he will get
> twice in return what he does to me.
>
> Lg
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Is that right.....larry duh dickman.....!!
well......
go dig up some of MY past posts and see if you can
find me out there in hyperspace acting like YOU......
yer a perverted racist lard assed blowhard.
Fact~NOT FICTION!!!
~:~
MARSH MONSTER
~ggggrrrrrrrrrr~
~:~
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...larry dickman << O T >> [message #765431 ] |
Sat, 10 June 2006 04:41 |
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On 9 Jun 2006 19:18:30 -0700, "Marsh Monster"
<MarshMonster2624 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>=======
>=======
>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>>
>> If marshmallow is going to try to slime me on the net, he will get
>> twice in return what he does to me.
>>
>> Lg
>=======
>=======
>
>Is that right.....larry duh dickman.....!!
>
>well......
>
>go dig up some of MY past posts and see if you can
>find me out there in hyperspace acting like YOU......
>
>
>
>yer a perverted racist lard assed blowhard.
>
>
>
>Fact~NOT FICTION!!!
I'll pass along a factoid which you'll immediately dismiss, but I feel
it is worth mentioning anyhow.
You are a coward.
You hide under women's skirts ( anonymity ) and make threats and
agitate holding your mommy's dress over your head so you can't be
seen.
I don't bother with cowards, so consider yourself *safe*.
Lg
>~:~
>MARSH MONSTER
>~ggggrrrrrrrrrr~
>~:~
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...Dickman.....A Blast from Yer Past....<<OT>> [message #765432 ] |
Sat, 10 June 2006 04:52 |
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> If marshmallow is going to try to slime me on the net, he will get
> twice in return what he does to me.
>
> I never did anything to him, that other's before me haven't done, as
> you can find out for yourself. He is abusive and argumentative. So
> am I if I think I have a worthy opponent. He started this...I'll
> finish it.
>
> Lg
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
YOU..........NEVER........did anything to me????????????????????????
hey larry duhdickman...........
you lardassed, perverted, racist, blowhard...........
how bout if I'm AfricanAmerican........???????
You know dickman, you've got a lot of reeeeeelly bad sheet out there
in hyperspace floating around that you've spouted off about, in some
reeeeeeelllly wierd newsgroups...(weird to me anywhooo)
remember dickman....??...me telling you i was gonna spend the 4 days
wondering around hyperspace reposting all yer profane, racist,
perverted
spewing forth of ignorant minded bullshit....??
rotfflmfao [at] larry duhdickman.........
now larry....yer a poplular guy...lmao!!!!!!!!!!
here......
here's another Blast From yer Past...........
~:~
MARSH MONSTER
~ggggrrrrrrrrrrr~
~:~
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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From: Lawrence Glickman - view profile
Date: Sun, Jun 4 2006 8:45 pm
Email: Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glick... [at] comcast.net>
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On 4 Jun 2006 17:46:29 -0700, "edi... [at] netpath.net"
What determines which tribes survive and which don't has a lot to do
with which tribes outbreed the other tribes. Intelligence has nothing
to do with it. It's all about out-fucking your contenders.
Non-whites are chronic fuckers. In fact, aside from sleeping, eating,
and shitting, popping out niglets is all they do.
Lg
m=2Es.
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...larry dickman << O T >> [message #765434 ] |
Sat, 10 June 2006 05:03 |
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> You hide under women's skirts ( anonymity ) and make threats and
> agitate holding your mommy's dress over your head so you can't be
> seen.
>
> I don't bother with cowards, so consider yourself *safe*.
>
> Lg
>
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You know Dickman,
therapist say that associating YOUR dark secrets on someone
else is one of the last signs before complete insanity.
fact~not fiction.
And........larry duhdickman,
not to worry.......I feel extremely safe, no worry........
no bother...........
no over the shoulder glances...............
even in spite of the thread you started in an attempt to prove to
yerself that you had narrowed down my location.......
you're diagnostic abilities were once AGAIN proven to be less than
capable in that thread........rotfflmao [at] larry duhdickman.
hey larry.....
I've noticed that your recent posts have been somewhat............
well...........
less agressive...............
since we met.
rotfflmao [at] paranoid dickman......because he knows all the perverted
racist sheet he's got floating around in hyperspace is being forwarded
to others..........
i make me laugh.
so does dickman.
~:~
Marsh Monster
~reaches down next to the baitwell, grabs his dull rusty
gaff..............
no need to use the good one on a fish that can't fight~
~:~
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...larry dickman << O T >> [message #765447 ] |
Sat, 10 June 2006 16:05 |
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On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:41:29 -0500, Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>You are a coward.
>You hide under women's skirts ( anonymity ) and make threats and
>agitate holding your mommy's dress over your head so you can't be
>seen.
>I don't bother with cowards, so consider yourself *safe*.
>Lg
Argueing on USENET is like being in the special olympics. Even
if you win, you're still a retard.
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...larry dickman << O T >> [message #765448 ] |
Sat, 10 June 2006 16:07 |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:05:05 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad [at] PmunOgeBOX.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:41:29 -0500, Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>You are a coward.
>
>>You hide under women's skirts ( anonymity ) and make threats and
>>agitate holding your mommy's dress over your head so you can't be
>>seen.
>
>>I don't bother with cowards, so consider yourself *safe*.
>
>>Lg
>
>Argueing on USENET is like being in the special olympics. Even
>if you win, you're still a retard.
Are you arguing with me?
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...larry dickman << O T >> [message #765451 ] |
Sat, 10 June 2006 18:41 |
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I like the saying that two skunks in a pissing contest both come out
stinking..
Kevin
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad [at] PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
news:slrne8lkch.90f.aznomad [at] ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:41:29 -0500, Lawrence Glickman
<Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> >You are a coward.
>
> >You hide under women's skirts ( anonymity ) and make threats and
> >agitate holding your mommy's dress over your head so you can't be
> >seen.
>
> >I don't bother with cowards, so consider yourself *safe*.
>
> >Lg
>
> Argueing on USENET is like being in the special olympics. Even
> if you win, you're still a retard.
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...larry dickman << O T >> [message #765487 ] |
Sun, 11 June 2006 04:44 |
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:05:05 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad [at] PmunOgeBOX.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:41:29 -0500, Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> >>You are a coward.
> >
> >>You hide under women's skirts ( anonymity ) and make threats and
> >>agitate holding your mommy's dress over your head so you can't be
> >>seen.
> >
> >>I don't bother with cowards, so consider yourself *safe*.
> >
> >>Lg
> >
> >Argueing on USENET is like being in the special olympics. Even
> >if you win, you're still a retard.
>
> Are you arguing with me?
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dickman.........
use yer spellcheck.
and......
I'm not argueing........
I'm fishing.
~:~
MarshMonster
~pours a little crown in his coffee~
~:~
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| Re: You should go back on your meds...larry dickman << O T >> [message #765579 ] |
Mon, 12 June 2006 21:12 |
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Update:
I pulled off the carbs and dropped the bowls. Apparently there is
enough gas contamination to have adhered the needle valve to the needle
valve seat. This is the only explanation I can come up with. There was
no visible contamination on either the valve or the seat but there was
a sticky brownish substance on the surface of the carb where it meets
the air baffle and (on the other side) the intake manifold. Having seen
this substance I assume it was also on the neeedle valve and valve seat
effectively glueing the two together.
I cleaned the carbs with carb cleaner, reinstalled them and the engine
started and idled. The needle valve, by the way, is a rubbery material
it is not a metal.
I'm still a bit disturbed because for one thing, I only winterize the
boat a relatively short off-season compared to many boaters (maybe 4
months tops). But more significiantly I had run the boat already this
year and it seemed to run just fine. I used a gas stabilizer (although
I went much richer then recommended because I was going to add more
fuel during the winter and never got around to it). I ran the engines
with the stabilizer so that the treated gas would have ample time to
have gone through the system.
Thanks for all your help.
Marsh Monster wrote:
> ======
> ======
> Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:05:05 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad [at] PmunOgeBOX.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:41:29 -0500, Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glickman [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>You are a coward.
> > >
> > >>You hide under women's skirts ( anonymity ) and make threats and
> > >>agitate holding your mommy's dress over your head so you can't be
> > >>seen.
> > >
> > >>I don't bother with cowards, so consider yourself *safe*.
> > >
> > >>Lg
> > >
> > >Argueing on USENET is like being in the special olympics. Even
> > >if you win, you're still a retard.
> >
> > Are you arguing with me?
> =======
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>
> dickman.........
>
> use yer spellcheck.
>
> and......
>
> I'm not argueing........
>
> I'm fishing.
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>
>
> ~:~
> MarshMonster
> ~pours a little crown in his coffee~
> ~:~
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