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| FOAK Tyre Question [message #765000] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 19:24 |
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I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres in
the correct size.
Having recently had the front changed from the OEM BT011, I now seem
to have a profile that leaves a lot to be desired. The K5/6 takes an
"SJ" profile. This is concerning me.
1. Besides the obvious profile differences, what other differences are
there?
2. If there is a specific BT014 tyre for the Gixxer 1000 K4, what is
it?
3. Having asked for a "BT014" from the tyre shop, where would I stand
on getting them to get the machine specific one for me - like no
charge!
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Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765005 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 19:33 |
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Black Mike wrote
>I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres in
>the correct size.
>
>Having recently had the front changed from the OEM BT011, I now seem
>to have a profile that leaves a lot to be desired. The K5/6 takes an
>"SJ" profile. This is concerning me.
>2. If there is a specific BT014 tyre for the Gixxer 1000 K4, what is
>it?
Dunno but if I were asking it would be on the lines of "The one for
nutters please."
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steve auvache
one step closer to The Perfect Date.
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765007 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 19:39 |
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"Black Mike" <mike [at] cafeNOSPACEmaroc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8lp882tp2tsalmj667nqgn1shhcaqg3kjb [at] 4ax.com...
>I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres in
> the correct size.
>
> Having recently had the front changed from the OEM BT011, I now seem
> to have a profile that leaves a lot to be desired. The K5/6 takes an
> "SJ" profile. This is concerning me.
>
> 1. Besides the obvious profile differences, what other differences are
> there?
ISTR Suzuki havin a special tyre made as OEM for the GSXR6 that was much
lighter than the normal one. Also they sometimes aren't the size you might
expect (e.g. it might *say* 190 on the side, but it's a 180) etc etc etc
> 2. If there is a specific BT014 tyre for the Gixxer 1000 K4, what is
> it?
Doesn't the Bridgestone website say?
> 3. Having asked for a "BT014" from the tyre shop, where would I stand
> on getting them to get the machine specific one for me - like no
> charge!
I'd hope (but not expect) that if you said "I want a GSXR1000K4 tyre" they'd
get the right one, 'cos they should have all the charts nd books and stuff.
Unfortunately, I guess they'duse whichever one they had in the 'right' size
in stock...
Dave, useless as ever
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765012 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 19:53 |
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"WavyDavy" <dnk.haines [at] wanadoo.fr> wrote in
news:44846c5a$0$859$ba4acef3 [at] news.orange.fr:
>
> Doesn't the Bridgestone website say?
>
The fitment guide on the Bridgestone.EU site is "under construction".
The merkin site at http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/ lists
Front: Battlax BT014 - J
Rear: Battlax BT014 - E
This is for the 05/06 bike though. For the 04 bike they list BT011/12 with
an F suffix.
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wessie at tesco dot net
BMW R1150GS
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765027 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 20:43 |
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Black Mike wrote:
> I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres in
> the correct size.
That's news to me - I assumed there was just a single type. Eek.
<Runs downstairs, checks tyres>
Couldn't see any designation on mine, other than 'F' for the front and 'R'
for the rear, obviously.
I've got a 2005 fitment guide that just says 'BT014' for a GSXR1000 K4 -
120/70 ZR17 (58W) front,
190/50 ZR17 (73W) rear.
--
ZX6R F2 - The Gravelseeker
BOTAFOT #121, BBB #2
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765041 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 21:14 |
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:39:37 +0200, "WavyDavy" <dnk.haines [at] wanadoo.fr>
thrashed out:
<Snip>
>
>I'd hope (but not expect) that if you said "I want a GSXR1000K4 tyre" they'd
>get the right one, 'cos they should have all the charts nd books and stuff.
>Unfortunately, I guess they'duse whichever one they had in the 'right' size
>in stock...
>
You'd of thought. and there is a 'non-specified' one, which is
probably what they gave me.
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Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765043 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 21:17 |
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:53:19 GMT, wessie <putmynamehere [at] tesco.net>
thrashed out:
>"WavyDavy" <dnk.haines [at] wanadoo.fr> wrote in
>news:44846c5a$0$859$ba4acef3 [at] news.orange.fr:
>
>
>>
>> Doesn't the Bridgestone website say?
>>
>
>
>The fitment guide on the Bridgestone.EU site is "under construction".
That's wot if found.
>
>The merkin site at http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/ lists
>Front: Battlax BT014 - J
>Rear: Battlax BT014 - E
>
>This is for the 05/06 bike though. For the 04 bike they list BT011/12 with
>an F suffix.
It begs the question as to the rims, and is there any difference twix
K3/4 & K5/6.
I guess I'll have to ask Bridgestone what the differences are; or
maybe go back to a BT011.
--
Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765047 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 21:23 |
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Black Mike said...
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:39:37 +0200, "WavyDavy" <dnk.haines [at] wanadoo.fr>
> thrashed out:
>
> <Snip>
> >
> >I'd hope (but not expect) that if you said "I want a GSXR1000K4 tyre" they'd
> >get the right one, 'cos they should have all the charts nd books and stuff.
> >Unfortunately, I guess they'duse whichever one they had in the 'right' size
> >in stock...
> >
> You'd of thought. and there is a 'non-specified' one, which is
> probably what they gave me.
It's a Gixer thou. The front wheel is never on the ground long enough
for it to matter.
--
Lozzo
GSX-R1000 K1
GSF600SW
"Loz has a god, and this god of his has 16 valves" (tm) Pip, May '06
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765049 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 21:27 |
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:43:52 +0100, "Monkey"
<monkey [at] surfR3M0VEbum.freeserve.co.uk> thrashed out:
>Black Mike wrote:
>> I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres in
>> the correct size.
>
>That's news to me - I assumed there was just a single type. Eek.
>
><Runs downstairs, checks tyres>
>
>Couldn't see any designation on mine, other than 'F' for the front and 'R'
>for the rear, obviously.
>
>I've got a 2005 fitment guide that just says 'BT014' for a GSXR1000 K4 -
>120/70 ZR17 (58W) front,
>190/50 ZR17 (73W) rear.
After the 58W Front there is a small oval spot on the tyre where the
extra suffix goes. It could of course be blank. It was only because I
was able to juxtapose the K4 & K6, that I spotted it.
--
Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765050 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 21:28 |
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:23:53 +0100, Lozzo <lozzo [at] speedyspic.co.uk>
thrashed out:
>Black Mike said...
>> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:39:37 +0200, "WavyDavy" <dnk.haines [at] wanadoo.fr>
>> thrashed out:
>>
>> <Snip>
>> >
>> >I'd hope (but not expect) that if you said "I want a GSXR1000K4 tyre" they'd
>> >get the right one, 'cos they should have all the charts nd books and stuff.
>> >Unfortunately, I guess they'duse whichever one they had in the 'right' size
>> >in stock...
>> >
>> You'd of thought. and there is a 'non-specified' one, which is
>> probably what they gave me.
>
>It's a Gixer thou. The front wheel is never on the ground long enough
>for it to matter.
Very true.
--
Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #765066 ] |
Mon, 05 June 2006 22:42 |
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Black Mike wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:43:52 +0100, "Monkey"
> <monkey [at] surfR3M0VEbum.freeserve.co.uk> thrashed out:
>
>> Black Mike wrote:
>>> I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres
>>> in the correct size.
>> I've got a 2005 fitment guide that just says 'BT014' for a GSXR1000
>> K4 - 120/70 ZR17 (58W) front,
>> 190/50 ZR17 (73W) rear.
> After the 58W Front there is a small oval spot on the tyre where the
> extra suffix goes. It could of course be blank. It was only because I
> was able to juxtapose the K4 & K6, that I spotted it.
Just looked at the fitment guide in a bit more detail. The K1-4s don't have
a suffix, but the K5 lists:
120/70 ZR17 (58W) BT-014 SJ
190/50 ZR17 (73W) BT-014 J
--
ZX6R F2 - The Gravelseeker
BOTAFOT #121, BBB #2
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #771949 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 09:45 |
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:42:58 +0100, "Monkey"
<monkey [at] surfR3M0VEbum.freeserve.co.uk> thrashed out:
>Black Mike wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:43:52 +0100, "Monkey"
>> <monkey [at] surfR3M0VEbum.freeserve.co.uk> thrashed out:
>>
>>> Black Mike wrote:
>>>> I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres
>>>> in the correct size.
>
>>> I've got a 2005 fitment guide that just says 'BT014' for a GSXR1000
>>> K4 - 120/70 ZR17 (58W) front,
>>> 190/50 ZR17 (73W) rear.
>
>> After the 58W Front there is a small oval spot on the tyre where the
>> extra suffix goes. It could of course be blank. It was only because I
>> was able to juxtapose the K4 & K6, that I spotted it.
>
>Just looked at the fitment guide in a bit more detail. The K1-4s don't have
>a suffix, but the K5 lists:
>
>120/70 ZR17 (58W) BT-014 SJ
>190/50 ZR17 (73W) BT-014 J
That's what I found.
Right I'm off to Bridgestone.
--
Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #771994 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 11:21 |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:45:38 GMT, Black Mike
<mike [at] cafeNOSPACEmaroc.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
> That's what I found.
> Right I'm off to Bridgestone.
That's one hell of a trip. You could take a film crew and support
vehicles and make a TV programme out of it.
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #772000 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 12:32 |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:45:38 +0100, Black Mike
<mike [at] cafeNOSPACEmaroc.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:42:58 +0100, "Monkey"
><monkey [at] surfR3M0VEbum.freeserve.co.uk> thrashed out:
>>>> Black Mike wrote:
>>>>> I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres
>>>>> in the correct size.
They've always[1] made some special fitments for specific bikes. Not
all dealers have always been aware of this - I used to run the Sprint
ST on 010 front/020 rear, but one set were never right - lots of
issues including a slow puncture and a knackered rear shock were
resolved, but it wasn't until it came to replace them that it was
pointed out to me that the front tyre was a special fitment designed
for the Blackbird only - arse. Correct fitment made a huge difference.
>>120/70 ZR17 (58W) BT-014 SJ
>>190/50 ZR17 (73W) BT-014 J
>
>That's what I found.
>Right I'm off to Bridgestone.
So for some reason you're assuming that the specific tyre made for the
K5/K6 will be better on your K4 than the recommended fitment for it?
Bearing in mind the difference in geometry between the bikes I
wouldn't think this is neccessarily so.
FWIW I'm more than happy with the Pirelli Diablo Corsas my K3 is
currently wearing - slightly different profile from the 014s gives a
much more progressive predictable feel to steering, particularly on
the hairpins that you love so much ;-)
[1] For relative values of always.
--
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..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
\`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3
`\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #772002 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 12:53 |
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Black Mike wrote:
> wessie <> thrashed:
> > "WavyDavy" wrote
> >
> >> Doesn't the Bridgestone website say?
> >
> >The fitment guide on the Bridgestone.EU site is "under construction".
>
> >The merkin site at http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/ lists
> >Front: Battlax BT014 - J
> >Rear: Battlax BT014 - E
> >
> >This is for the 05/06 bike though. For the 04 bike they list BT011/12 with
> >an F suffix.
>
> It begs the question as to the rims, and is there any difference twix
> K3/4 & K5/6.
>
> I guess I'll have to ask Bridgestone what the differences are; or
> maybe go back to a BT011.
If it helps my front 014 scared the shit out of me twice on the way to
Sedan.
The old Dunlop D207 never slipped in the same way ...
P.
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #772005 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 12:58 |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:32:28 +0200, Ace <seesig [at] virgin.net> thrashed
out:
>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:45:38 +0100, Black Mike
><mike [at] cafeNOSPACEmaroc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:42:58 +0100, "Monkey"
>><monkey [at] surfR3M0VEbum.freeserve.co.uk> thrashed out:
>
>>>>> Black Mike wrote:
>>>>>> I have just found out that there are 10 different BT014 front tyres
>>>>>> in the correct size.
>
>They've always[1] made some special fitments for specific bikes. Not
>all dealers have always been aware of this - I used to run the Sprint
>ST on 010 front/020 rear, but one set were never right - lots of
>issues including a slow puncture and a knackered rear shock were
>resolved, but it wasn't until it came to replace them that it was
>pointed out to me that the front tyre was a special fitment designed
>for the Blackbird only - arse. Correct fitment made a huge difference.
>
>>>120/70 ZR17 (58W) BT-014 SJ
>>>190/50 ZR17 (73W) BT-014 J
>>
>>That's what I found.
>>Right I'm off to Bridgestone.
>
>So for some reason you're assuming that the specific tyre made for the
>K5/K6 will be better on your K4 than the recommended fitment for it?
>Bearing in mind the difference in geometry between the bikes I
>wouldn't think this is neccessarily so.
>
>FWIW I'm more than happy with the Pirelli Diablo Corsas my K3 is
>currently wearing - slightly different profile from the 014s gives a
>much more progressive predictable feel to steering, particularly on
>the hairpins that you love so much ;-)
>
>[1] For relative values of always.
I'm not supposing the SJ is right, as you rightly say the geometry is
different.
I may consider changing the tyre or going back to a BT011.
The lack of feel on the hairpins that I hate so much has recently been
improved by the tinkering the suspension. I went out with Mr C the
other day and it got me to thinking. Some adjustments later and I
realised how far I was away from a good set up. i.e. rock hard no
feel.
Now I'm sailing through corners [1] with a good extra turn of speed
and comfort.
Just goes to show how laziness can play the devil.
[1] an extras 5 - 10 mph
--
Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #772007 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 13:04 |
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On 6 Jun 2006 03:53:45 -0700, zymurgy [at] technologist.com thrashed out:
>
>Black Mike wrote:
>> wessie <> thrashed:
>> > "WavyDavy" wrote
>> >
>> >> Doesn't the Bridgestone website say?
>> >
>> >The fitment guide on the Bridgestone.EU site is "under construction".
>>
>> >The merkin site at http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/ lists
>> >Front: Battlax BT014 - J
>> >Rear: Battlax BT014 - E
>> >
>> >This is for the 05/06 bike though. For the 04 bike they list BT011/12 with
>> >an F suffix.
>>
>> It begs the question as to the rims, and is there any difference twix
>> K3/4 & K5/6.
>>
>> I guess I'll have to ask Bridgestone what the differences are; or
>> maybe go back to a BT011.
>
>If it helps my front 014 scared the shit out of me twice on the way to
>Sedan.
>
>The old Dunlop D207 never slipped in the same way ...
>
>P.
Hmm...thanks ;-)
--
Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #772008 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 13:08 |
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Black Mike wrote:
> zymurgy thrashed out:
> > Black Mike wrote:
> >> wessie <> thrashed:
> >> > "WavyDavy" wrote
> >> >
> >> >> Doesn't the Bridgestone website say?
> >> >
> >> >The fitment guide on the Bridgestone.EU site is "under construction".
> >>
> >> >The merkin site at http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/ lists
> >> >Front: Battlax BT014 - J
> >> >Rear: Battlax BT014 - E
> >> >
> >> >This is for the 05/06 bike though. For the 04 bike they list BT011/12 with
> >> >an F suffix.
> >>
> >> It begs the question as to the rims, and is there any difference twix
> >> K3/4 & K5/6.
> >>
> >> I guess I'll have to ask Bridgestone what the differences are; or
> >> maybe go back to a BT011.
> >
> >If it helps my front 014 scared the shit out of me twice on the way to Sedan.
> >
> >The old Dunlop D207 never slipped in the same way ...
>
> Hmm...thanks ;-)
Bear in mind this is me at the helm too.
My wet weather cornering has inproved significantly since my soaking
trackday, but I bet it's still way off the "twice the fun half the
speed" of Mr C.
P.
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #772010 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 13:19 |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:58:35 +0100, Black Mike
<mike [at] cafeNOSPACEmaroc.co.uk> wrote:
>The lack of feel on the hairpins that I hate so much has recently been
>improved by the tinkering the suspension. I went out with Mr C the
>other day and it got me to thinking. Some adjustments later and I
>realised how far I was away from a good set up. i.e. rock hard no
>feel.
Well I suppose that, given your and my bikes were both on standard
settings last year, it's unlikely that they'd both be ideally setup,
given that you+your baggage probably weighed about twice me+my
baggage.
>Now I'm sailing through corners [1] with a good extra turn of speed
>and comfort.
>
>Just goes to show how laziness can play the devil.
>
>[1] an extras 5 - 10 mph
Cool. You up for a trip over here later this year to show it off?
--
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..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
\`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3
`\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10
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| Re: FOAK Tyre Question [message #772133 ] |
Tue, 06 June 2006 19:54 |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:19:29 +0200, Ace <seesig [at] virgin.net> thrashed
out:
>On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:58:35 +0100, Black Mike
><mike [at] cafeNOSPACEmaroc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>The lack of feel on the hairpins that I hate so much has recently been
>>improved by the tinkering the suspension. I went out with Mr C the
>>other day and it got me to thinking. Some adjustments later and I
>>realised how far I was away from a good set up. i.e. rock hard no
>>feel.
>
>Well I suppose that, given your and my bikes were both on standard
>settings last year, it's unlikely that they'd both be ideally setup,
>given that you+your baggage probably weighed about twice me+my
>baggage.
>
>>Now I'm sailing through corners [1] with a good extra turn of speed
>>and comfort.
>>
>>Just goes to show how laziness can play the devil.
>>
>>[1] an extras 5 - 10 mph
>
>Cool. You up for a trip over here later this year to show it off?
Yup!
--
Black Mike GSXR 1000K4, er...in black! MIB#20 "If in doubt, flat out!"
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